Rendering Opinions on Rendering Detainees out of Iraq

This is going to be a really weedy post trying to explore what was going on with just about the only named opinion that Jack Goldsmith wrote at OLC that has gotten focused attention–a March 19, 2004 one cataloging the protected status of different kinds of people captured in Iraq. I will return to the significance of it in a future post. But this post shows that the topic of Goldsmith’s opinion appears to have been debated up until the time he left DOJ–and after he left, another opinion served to authorize the rendition of detainees from Iraq.

Addington objects to Goldsmith’s decision that Iraqi terrorists have protection under Geneva Convention

As Goldsmith wrote in Terror Presidency, this issue is one of the first he dealt with after he became OLC head in October 2003.

“Jack,” Gonzales said after cursory congratulations on my new post, “we need you to decide whether the Fourth Geneva Convention protects terrorists in Iraq. We need the answer as soon as possible, no later than the end of the week,” he added in his deadpan, nasally Texas drawl. (32)

After Goldsmith concluded in October 2003 that Iraqi members of al Qaeda were protected under the Geneva Convention, David Addington went apeshit.

“They’re going to be really mad,” [Patrick] Philbin told me as he and I were driving from the Justice Department to the White House to explain to Gonzales and Addington why the department that Iraqi terrorists were protected. “They’re not going to understand our decision. They’ve never been told ‘no’.”

Philbin was right.

“Jack, I don’t see how terrorists who violate the laws of war can get the protections of the laws of war,” said Gonzales, calmly, from his customary wing chair in his West Wing office.

[snip]

“The President has already decided that terrorists do not receive Geneva Convention protections,” [Addington] barked. “You cannot question his decision.” (41)

Goldsmith went on to develop his oral advice into a formal opinion. And while he drafted that on March 19, 2004, he never finalized it.

Debate over detainee status between June and October

Now, as I’ll show below, the memo (or what was explained to be the memo) caused a bit of a firestorm in October 2004. But before that happened, the OLC Vaughn index shows, there appear to have been several rounds of discussion on the issue.

While the Vaughn index doesn’t list the March 19 version of this memo, it appears to show what might have been a June 29, 2004 version addressing the same topic.

This is a ten-page draft, from OLC to CIA. It is confirming legal advice, which was initially given orally, on whether a detainee is considered a protected person if involved in counterterrorism acitivies and captured.

Only this June 29, 2004 memo is 10 pages, whereas the March 19 memo is 23 pages.

Then, the following day, there is what may be CIA’s comments on that draft (with one additional page and hand-written notes), though this description doesn’t mention protected status.

This is an eleven-page document with handwriten comments, from the CIA to OLC, commenting on a draft letter regarding terrorism and interrogation of detainees.

On July 2, the same day Scott Muller wrote Jim Comey to tell him what had been approved after he and John Bellinger left a principals meeting discussing the interrogation of one particular detainee, CIA sent a second short memo describing the CIA securing custody of a detainee.

This is a two-page memo with a fax coversheet, providing legal advice regarding the CIA securing custody of a detainee and use of interrogation methods.

On July 14, three days before Goldsmith’s accelerated departure (remember, he originally intended to stay until August 6, but left on July 17 instead), there are nine copies (documents 50-58) of a one-page OLC memo written to the record (that is, not sent to the CIA per se) addressing whether a captured member of “a terrorist network” is legally protected.

This is a one-page OLC memo on whether a captured member of a terrorist network is legally protected under international law.

The number of copies written to the record suggests there may have been a face-to-face meeting on the subject after which the copies of the draft discussion were retained by OLC.

On July 15 (two days before Goldsmith left), there is a 5-page memo on the same subject.

This is a five-page OLC memo on whether a captured member of a terrorist network is legally protected under international law.

On July 21 (four days after Goldsmith’s departure), there is a 10 or 11-page document plus fax cover sheet from the White House to DOJ.

This is a ten-page document with handwritten marginalia and a fax cover sheet, which contains pre-decisional communication regarding detainees, that was sent from the EOP to the DOJ.

This is the only document in this set written by the White House.

After the White House document (which may or may not relate to the protected status of detainees) the dated OLC communication in the Vaughn Index consists exclusively of advice about torture techniques for several months.

Then, on October 4, there are a 4-page and a 5-page OLC memo written to the record “from OLC regarding application of international law, as it relates to detainees.”

Dueling stories about the status of detainees–and Goldsmith’s March memo on detainees

On October 24, after what appears to have been a seven month debate on the status of some detainees, Dana Priest reported that Goldsmith’s March memo served to authorize the rendition out of Iraq of a dozen detainees.

At the request of the CIA, the Justice Department drafted a confidential memo that authorizes the agency to transfer detainees out of Iraq for interrogation — a practice that international legal specialists say contravenes the Geneva Conventions.

One intelligence official familiar with the operation said the CIA has used the March draft memo as legal support for secretly transporting as many as a dozen detainees out of Iraq in the last six months. The agency has concealed the detainees from the International Committee of the Red Cross and other authorities, the official said.

[snip]

CIA officials have not disclosed the identities or locations of its Iraq detainees to congressional oversight committees, the Defense Department or CIA investigators who are reviewing detention policy, according to two informed U.S. government officials and a confidential e-mail on the subject shown to The Washington Post.

[snip]

The March 19 document obtained by The Post is stamped “draft” and was not finalized, said one U.S. official involved in the legal deliberations. However, the memo was sent to the general counsels at the National Security Council, the CIA and the departments of State and Defense.

“The memo was a green light,” an intelligence official said. “The CIA used the memo to remove other people from Iraq.”

The very next day, Doug Jehl basically rebutted Priest’s story. He reported that there was a new opinion, one that the March opinion had not been incorporated into.

A new legal opinion by the Bush administration has concluded for the first time that some non-Iraqi prisoners captured by American forces in Iraq are not entitled to the protections of the Geneva Conventions, administration officials said Monday.

The opinion, reached in recent months, establishes an important exception to public assertions by the Bush administration since March 2003 that the Geneva Conventions applied comprehensively to prisoners taken in the conflict in Iraq, the officials said.

They said the opinion would essentially allow the military and the C.I.A. to treat at least a small number of non-Iraqi prisoners captured in Iraq in the same way as members of Al Qaeda and the Taliban captured in Afghanistan, Pakistan or elsewhere, for whom the United States has maintained that the Geneva Conventions do not apply.

The officials outlined the opinion on Monday in response to a report in The Washington Post over the weekend that the Central Intelligence Agency had secretly transferred a dozen non-Iraqi prisoners out of Iraq in the past 18 months, despite a provision in the conventions that bars civilians protected under the accords from being deported from occupied territories.

Jehl also repeated the Bush Administration claim that no detainees had been removed from Iraq in the previous six months (and/or since March, which is not the same thing).

On Monday, government officials said the March 2004 document had not been incorporated into the new legal opinion. They also said all of the prisoners the C.I.A. had transferred out of Iraq had been moved between April 2003 and March 2004, with none transferred in the past six months.

All of which suggests that the entire 23-page Goldsmith draft was scrapped. But any “new” opinions on this subject in October 2004 were short–4 or 5 pages. Unless, of course, that EOP document addressed these issues…

Goldsmith’s rebuttal to the Priest claims

Which brings us to the rebuttal Goldsmith includes in his book. Note what Goldsmith appears to be refuting.

The Post reported that the CIA and White House pressured me into writing the draft, that Iraqis were taken out of Iraq in reliance on the draft, and that the draft was a part of the CIA’s rendition policy of taking suspected terrorists from one country to another where they would have “no access to any recognized legal process or rights.”

Most of this was inaccurate. I was often pressured by many people to do many things in government. But for the draft opinion, which was not a high priority in my office, I was not.

[snip]

In any event, I never finalized the draft, it never became operational, and it was never relied on to take anyone outside of Iraq. I do not know whether the request for legal advice about relocating Iraqi prisoners outside Iraq for questioning was associated with a broader rendition program. But I do know that the draft opinion could not have been relied upon to abuse anyone, not only because it was never finalized, but more importantly because it stated that the suspect’s Geneva Convention protections must travel with him outside Iraq.

First, there’s Goldsmith’s rebuttal to whether detainees taken from Iraq lose all legal rights. Goldsmith claims their Geneva Convention protections “must travel with him outside Iraq.” But this would seem to address only Iraqis rendered from Iraq, not third party insurgents (particularly those tied to an Al Qaeda affiliate), who would–according to George Bush’s legal proclamations–not be covered by the Geneva Convention. In any case, Goldsmith says, the opinion was never finalized so it couldn’t be relied upon in such a case. (And in fact, Jehl’s article suggests the Bush Administration agreed that they did not rely on this opinion.)

Then there’s the weird part. Do me a favor and review the WaPo story and check my work. But I don’t see any assertion Priest makes to suggest the CIA and White House pressured Goldsmith.

Unless I’m missing something, Goldsmith introduces (by rebutting) the claim that he was pressured to write such an opinion, not Priest. Which I find particularly interesting, given that the Vaughn Index provides strong evidence to believe this issue was discussed repeatedly up until the time when Goldsmith decided to leave DOJ three weeks early.

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  1. qweryous says:

    The first question is are there multiple versions of the story in question?

    The example from the previous post illustrates this issue.

    Wayback does not work with Wapo, do you have a screengrab or other archived version from when the story was first published.

    It will take a little while longer to answer your specific question.

    EDIT: ADD based on what you have linked to.

  2. bobschacht says:

    Addington objects to Goldsmith’s decision that Iraqi terrorists have protection under Geneva Convention

    …“The President has already decided that terrorists do not receive Geneva Convention protections,” [Addington] barked. “You cannot question his decision.” (41)

    Sounds like “pressure” to me.

    Bob in AZ

    • Mary says:

      And an awful lot like what Addington told Bellinger in Aug 2002, after the CIA memo on lots of the GITMO detainees being innocent. The President has already determined that they are enemy combatants and you can’t revisit that.

      Oddly enough, though, apparently that Presidential determination (in writing, but Executive Order) that detainees were to be treated “humanely” could be revisited in all the torture memos. Despite the shenanigans DOJ pulls later on the humane treatement definition and issue, I think you’d have to say that none of the things examined in the torture memos could be claimed to be humane – and yet, here was the head of the CIA and DOJ and DoD etc – the President – ordering everytone to treat detainees humanely. How do you justify putting together an opinion on how to torture and get by with an existing order to your department and theirs – to everyone within the Exec branch – to treat humanely?

      Interesting how and when Addington chooses to motivate himself over Presidential determinations.

  3. qweryous says:

    “Do me a favor an review the WaPo story and check my work. But I don’t see any assertion Priest makes to suggest the CIA and White House pressured Goldsmith.”

    Priest does not explicitly use the phrase.

    The events as Priest describes them strongly imply events that I would presume to equal at the least powerful men being told:

    1. They had to reverse what they had done (due to G.C. of all things).

    2. They would not be able to do what they had apparently intended to do in the future.

    3. Inter cabinet cooperation was required to extract themselves from the position the opinion put them in. (and the presumption is that only Rashul had to be ‘rehandled’ due to this opinion I ‘m not sure about that).

    First this from Priest’s WAPO story:

    ” Goldsmith, then head of the office, ruled that Rashul was a “protected person” under the Fourth Geneva Convention and therefore had to be brought back to Iraq, several intelligence and defense officials said.

    The CIA was not happy with the decision, according to two intelligence officials. It promptly brought Rashul back and suspended any other transfers out of the country.

    At the same time, when transferring Rashul back to Iraq, then-CIA Director George J. Tenet asked Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld not to give Rashul a prisoner number and to hide him from International Red Cross officials, according to an account provided by Rumsfeld during a June 17 Pentagon news conference. Rumsfeld complied.”

    Then later in Priest’s WAPO story:

    “In the one-page October 2003 interim ruling that directed Rashul’s return, Goldsmith also created a new category of persons in Iraq whom he said did not qualify for protection under the Geneva Conventions. They are non-Iraqis who are not members of the former Baath Party and who went to Iraq after the invasion.

    After Goldsmith’s ruling, the CIA and Gonzales asked the Office of Legal Counsel for a more complete legal opinion on “protected persons” in Iraq and on the legality of transferring people out of Iraq for interrogation. “That case started the CIA yammering to Justice to get a better memo,” said one intelligence officer familiar with the interagency discussion.”

    I do not know what Goldsmith considers pressure, but this would seem to be a situation that might fit that. Unless Goldsmith was completely unaware of what was being done,and thus had no idea what the impacts of the opinion were, and didn’t care what cabinet level officials thought of the turmoil apparently caused by his opinions.

    Then there is this excerpt from Goldsmith’s book- which you quote above:

    ” “They’re going to be really mad,” [Patrick] Philbin told me as he and I were driving from the Justice Department to the White House to explain to Gonzales and Addington why the department that Iraqi terrorists were protected. “They’re not going to understand our decision. They’ve never been told ‘no’.”

    Philbin was right.

    “Jack, I don’t see how terrorists who violate the laws of war can get the protections of the laws of war,” said Gonzales, calmly, from his customary wing chair in his West Wing office.”

    I can see how if Goldsmith truly felt that he was not under pressure, then it would seem a false implication by Priest that there was pressure.

    Alternately, if Goldsmith felt that he had been pressured, and either had not admitted it which I don’t recall him doing( or had denied it prior to his book- which I do not know), then he could have made the mistake of remembering the pressure and then denying the accusation that was implied by Priest’s story in the WAPO.

    • emptywheel says:

      Though the timing on that is very spread out. He issues the first ruling in October 2003. That’s when Rashul is brought back to Iraq, maybe (who knows, maybe he wasn’t?). Then Goldsmith writes the opinion in March. There is some tension in June, when it is revealed that Rashul has been ghosted. But that was after the opinion.

      Of course, I think they rendered someone else significant out of Iraq in the period when they said they didn’t. But who knows whether Goldsmith was pressured over that.

  4. qweryous says:

    From previous “Were the Torturers Bypassing OLC in July 2004?” LINK:
    http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2010/03/12/were-the-torturers-bypassing-olc-in-july-2004/

    A quote:

    “In his book, Jack Goldsmith reports that the CIA and White House accused him of “buckl[ing]” in the wake of the Abu Ghraib scandal. And Addington sniped that Goldsmith should give him a list of any OLC opinions Goldsmith still stood by.”

    It is possible that Goldsmith has an opinion of pressure that is different than most. Was this viewed as energetic back and forth discussion?

    The other curious fact is that the opinion being discussed here was issued orally, then written in draft form and then apparently distributed,
    Either relied upon or not (different versions of this) and not finalized
    for at least 7 months. Perhaps the answer was not what was wanted- and no further action was requested on it- and the recipients of the opinion proceeded on.

    • emptywheel says:

      Different issue. I think Goldsmith would be happy to concede that Addingotn pressured on the warrantless wiretapping and on the torture, but he appears to be claiming he wasn’t on the rendition.

      • qweryous says:

        Different issue. I think Goldsmith would be happy to concede that Addingotn pressured on the warrantless wiretapping and on the torture, but he appears to be claiming he wasn’t on the rendition.

        I can’t speak for Goldsmith or what he was thinking.

        The events surrounding Abu Ghraib were concurrent with his tenancy at OLC.

        The information was being released in public press reporting, and the internal investigations and ‘publicity control efforts’ were also under way.
        Not knowing what he knew and when he knew it; but this event from his book would have no meaning (at the time he says it ocurred) without some knowledge on Goldsmith’s part of at least Abu Ghraib events.

        ““In his book, Jack Goldsmith reports that the CIA and White House accused him of “buckl[ing]” in the wake of the Abu Ghraib scandal. And Addington sniped that Goldsmith should give him a list of any OLC opinions Goldsmith still stood by.””

        I’m not disputing your conclusion, but I see a number of instances where Goldsmith describes things that many would consider ‘pressure’ in a context that gives me the impression that he thinks differently. These would also be logical places for him to state he was pressured- if he felt he had been.

        “I think Goldsmith would be happy to concede that Addingotn pressured on the warrantless wiretapping and on the torture, but he appears to be claiming he wasn’t on the rendition.”

        The question that I can’t answer is: ‘ Did Goldsmith ever feel he was pressured?, and if so was it before or after the rendition opinion(s) he gave?’

        I don’t have Goldsmith’s book handy- but from the Slate excerpts LINK:
        http://www.slate.com/id/2173488/entry/2173489/

        “Addington’s hard-line nonaccommodation stance always prevailed when the lawyers met to discuss legal policy issues in Alberto Gonzales’ office. During these meetings, Gonzales himself would sit quietly in his wing chair, occasionally asking questions but mostly listening as the querulous Addington did battle with whomever was seeking to “go soft.” It was Gonzales’ responsibility to determine what to advise the president after the lawyers had kicked the legal policy matters around. But I only knew him to disagree with Addington once, on an issue I cannot discuss, and on that issue the president overruled Gonzales and sided with the Addington position.”

        I read this passage as Goldsmith describing a vigorous process- and not pressure.

        This passage also from the Slate excerpts indicates disagreements about legal positions and what was to be done; and ascribes Addington’s actions to his view of what leadership was. That said, Goldsmith does open the paragraph with a Doud Feith quote ( about Feith’s attitude) and then goes directly to Addington’s legal decisions (less than faint praise?).

        “When history looks back, I want to be in the class of people who did the right thing, the sensible thing, and not necessarily the fashionable thing, the thing that met the aesthetic of the moment,” Douglas Feith told Jeffrey Goldberg in The New Yorker in 2005, referring to his controversial decisions in the Pentagon. This was precisely David Addington’s attitude to hard legal decisions about terrorism. The vice president’s influential lawyer had unshakable beliefs about executive power, about the correctness of his legal positions, about the nature and severity of the terrorist threat, and about what was necessary to defeat the threat. He thought that others had less information than the White House did about the threat, and were motivated by concerns other than what would best protect the American people. He believed that faced with tough decisions, true leadership required him to do what was right, even, and especially, if it was unpopular. As the complaints grew and grew, as the pressure to change course increased, Addington became more and more insistent that the administration was doing the right thing, and he stuck to his guns with an ever-firmer grip. Many times when Addington faced enormous resistance, I thought to myself, “He’ll have to back down now.” But he rarely did. And he never did on something he thought was important unless an immediate and unavoidable disaster would result. I grudgingly admired Addington’s perverse integrity, even when I thought his judgments were crazy.”

        My conclusion based on this and the preceeding comments (and not having Goldsmith’s book at hand): Goldsmith would say he was not under pressure.
        I think he would say his advice was not being followed, and that the job had become tedious and tiring. He also thought that he would be resigning at the time of the Ashcroft hospital incident in March 2004. From the Frontline interview talking about the hospital encounter Goldsmith said:

        “At that moment, I had drafted my resignation letter and was prepared to resign. I was sure I was going to resign that day. It was inconceivable to me, based on what had happened the last two days, that I wouldn’t resign. …”

        LINK: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/cheney/interviews/goldsmith.html

        Also from the Frontline interview a little more on Addington’s style of argumentation and how Goldsmith viewed Addington,his positions and role in the administration.:

        “[In Chapter 3 of your book you talk about another dispute over the legality of “an important counterterrorism initiative.”]

        I can’t tell you what the underlying legal issue is, but that gives one a sense about the context in which these decisions were taken. These were mistakes that people perceived — and that Addington especially perceived — in these decisions about hand-tying decisions on the president’s power, because everyone was scared to death, really worried about the next, more devastating attack. And therefore every legal decision placing a constraint in the president’s path to stopping the attack was obviously viewed in these alarmist terms.

        What did Addington say to you?

        He says, “If you rule that way, the blood of 100,000 people who die in the next attack will be on your hands.”

        Your reaction?

        It wasn’t a pleasant thought, but it wasn’t a surprising thought either. The truth is, he didn’t have to tell me that. Everyone understood what the stakes were. …

        Do you ever fight back?

        I sometimes fought back with Addington. But usually I tried to do so in a low-key way through legal arguments. There wasn’t much in it for me with getting in a yelling match with him.

        And you weren’t going to win.

        The truth is that the vice president’s counsel did not have any particular power or authority over me. I made my decisions in the name of the attorney general. The president could overrule them if he wanted to, but most of Addington’s power vis-à-vis me was basically in the bluster and the yelling and the bringing arguments to my attention. …”

        • emptywheel says:

          I think you’re missing my point.

          Goldsmith shows something on multiple occasions that sounds like Addington badgering him.

          But all of that is removed in either time or subject from the March opinion.

          Which doesn’t say antyhing about the the discussions in June and July.

        • qweryous says:

          “Goldsmith shows something on multiple occasions that sounds like Addington badgering him.”

          Point taken.
          I don’t know though if that is how Goldsmith saw or perceived it at the time or later. It seems as though that was not unusual for Addington.

          “But all of that is removed in either time or subject from the March opinion.

          Which doesn’t say anything about the the discussions in June and July.”

          I agree with this.

          Not questioning in any way the parsings and so on that both you and Mary have pointed out.

          In fact now this statement fits in that category-

          “… Most of this was inaccurate. I was often pressured by many people to do many things in government. But for the draft opinion, which was not a high priority in my office, I was not.”

          Does by “pressured by many people to do many things in government” equal improperly influenced to produce a certain legal opinion?

          He has purposefully muddied the waters with the statements concerning this IMO.

  5. JasonLeopold says:

    Echoing qweryous’s comment, the only word I see that Goldsmith may have interpreted as “pressure” is “yammering.” But it’s interesting that Goldsmith read this story and interpreted what unnamed sources said as “pressure” (assuming it’s the quotes and characterizations these sources made that led him to this conclusion and not the mere mention of the memo itself).

    • emptywheel says:

      See, I guess my point is that I’m not convinced this is about “interpretation.”

      I think Goldsmith might have been rebutting the arguments about him and defending the opinion, which appears to precede further real pressure to rescind or change the opinion.

  6. Mary says:

    For some additional context that I know you have already, but it just flavors those Oct 2004 dates, it was Sept 2004 that the Ghost detainee hearings were cranking and McCain and Warner were making a big deal of them (obviously, no one would have bothered – then or even now – if it was Democrats making a big deal, but McCain was gearing up on the issue before the hearings)

    A bigger part of the problem from the EOP and OVP wasn’t so much Goldsmith’s decision vis a vis Iraq – where they did have Abu Ghraibs after all. It was that the rationale applied to pretty much all our Geneva buddies – all those guys like el-Masri and Errachidi and the Uighurs that we were taking out of countries like Macedonia and Pakistan.

    For Goldsmith to say that his draft memo covered the abuse bases by saying the GCs applied is disingenuous, given the memos that OLC generated over time on why the torture was fine under the “cruel, inhuman or degrading” standards of CAT which are pretty much the same as the GC standards. In context, he was saying that a memo saying that you don’t have to comply with the GCs (Article 147 – restricting the ability to transport) couldn’t have authorized people to violate other sections of the GCs bc it said that the protections (other than the ones he was going to pick and choose as not applying, like Art 147) of the GCs (that he had just argued could be ignored to achieve the anti-147 goal) carried with them.

    Whatever.

    I do wonder, though, if in connection with any of the Sept hearings or prep Goldsmith gave any statements that he has to be careful not to conflict with now. Statements that he wasn’t pressured – bc obviously, if you admit that you generated an opinion to render out to torture due to being scared of Addington, to desparkles you a bit for that Harvard gig. And any other law gig. And with Bushco still in power and a guy with ambitions, well – I’m sure he can tell himself whatever is easy to believe.

      • Mary says:

        Yeah – the heart of GITMO, too, which Goldsmith over and over supports, is based on a commitment to overriding Article 147 and allowing for the shipment to GITMO of people seized from all kinds of places.

        I think Goldsmith’s committed enough to a gulag for America that he wasn’t all that badgered on this one. He really wants to be able to ship people like Maher Arar and Khalid el-Masri somewhere and if there’s an oops factor, disappear them. Even though he knows beyond a shadow of a doubt the Mengele factor to setting up people to be disappeared into that kind of format, run by pshychologists who want to experiment and military who want revenge on anyone, he can just righteously say that after all HE isn’t authorizing that anyone be TORTURED, just, ya know, put away.

        Like a disabled child locked in a closet in the basement.

        As long as someone remembers to feed them now and then and mostly they don’t freeze them to death, it’s best to just not think about it.

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