Hey Reporters??? It Might Be Worth Pointing Out Lieberman Is Stupid or Lying…
As news outlets are reporting everywhere, Joe Lieberman is threatening to join a GOP filibuster of heath care reform. Brian Beutler reports the news without much elaboration on Lieberman’s stated justification for doing so. (See below for Beutler’s follow-up.)
I told Senator Reid that I’m strongly inclined–i haven’t totally decided, but I’m strongly inclined–to vote to proceed to the health care debate, even though I don’t support the bill that he’s bringing together because it’s important that we start the debate on health care reform because I want to vote for health care reform this year. But I also told him that if the bill remains what it is now, I will not be able to support a cloture motion before final passage. Therefore I will try to stop the passage of the bill.
The AP provides just a hint of Lieberman’s justification.
Lieberman said Tuesday in a telephone interview with The Associated Press that he’s worried a public option would be costly to taxpayers and drive up insurance premiums.
But the Politico reports Lieberman’s stated justification.
“I can’t see a way in which I could vote for cloture on any bill that contained a creation of a government-operated-run insurance company,” Lieberman added. “It’s just asking for trouble – in the end, the taxpayers are going to pay and probably all people will have health insurance are going to see their premiums go up because there’s going to be cost shifting as there has been for Medicare and Medicaid.”
Lieberman said he “very much” wants to vote for health care reform but that he’s worried about stifling “the economic recovery we’re in” or adding to the federal debt.
“I feel this way about a national, government-created health insurance company – whether it’s a trigger or not,” he said. “My answer is – we’re – we have the opportunity to do some great reforms here. These exchanges that we’re talking about, I think, are going to drive competition and probably bring the cost of health insurance down or at least contain the cost increases for a lot of people. Let’s give that two or three years to see how it works to see how it works before we talk about creating another entitlement that will end up increasing the national debt and putting more of a burden on taxpayers.”
So here’s what Joe Lieberman claims the public option will do:
- Be costly to taxpayers
- Drive up premiums
- Involve cost-shifting to private plans
- Create an entitlement
- Increase the national debt
- Put more of a tax burden on taxpayers
As DDay points out, this is utter nonsense.
Lieberman’s justification on this is just nonsense – the public option would SAVE money for the government, to the tune of $100 billion dollars over 10 years according to the Congressional Budget Office. It also would cost nothing to the taxpayer, being financed by individual premiums.
Now, there’s the possibility that if the public option was set at Medicare +5, there might be cost shifting, if you ignored challenges to that claim, if you ignored the way insurance companies will game the system to push high cost people into the public option, and if you ignored the many other ways the insurance companies will be cost shifting themselves once this system is set up.
But everything else Lieberman said is horse puckey. He is either completely ignorant about health care works (unlikely, for a Senator from Connecticut). Or, he’s lying his ass off as to his rationale.
Don’t you think the press ought to call him on that?
Update: Here’s First Read, abdicating its role as journalist by letting Lieberman’s explanation go unchallenged.
Update: Kudos to CBS’ Stephanie Condon for doing real reporting.
Lieberman has said he opposes a public option because of the potential burden it could place on taxpayers. However, Democrats have crafted a public option that would be financed by premiums rather than federal funds.
Update: Ooohboy. The Hill goes above and beyond in credulously reporting Lieberman’s BS. They even let him claim that he’s not doing this because of CT’s insurance companies.
Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.), one of a handful of Senate wild cards in this fall’s healthcare reform debate, says his concern about the Senate bill is based on the national deficit — not the insurers that dominate his state.
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“Insurers aren’t my biggest concern — I sued them once when I was attorney general, and I’m not afraid to end anti-trust exemptions,” Lieberman said. “I am really worried about what this could do to the deficit.”
Update: Beutler does a follow-up calling Lieberman on his BS.
This is at great odds with the findings of most experts, who say that, by bringing efficiencies into the greater insurance market, and therefore lowering the government’s subsidy burden, a public option will actually save money.
I asked him to square his rationale with the experts consensus, but he was undeterred. “Well all the history we have of health entitlement programs, including the two big ones that I dearly support, Medicare and Medicaid, is that they end up costing more than we’re prepared to pay, and they add to the debt, and then they add to the burden on taxpayers.”
Update: Oh wait!! WSJ just unseated The Hill for being the most credulous on this story!! They let both Lieberman and Bayh get away with claiming they’re concerned about the deficit. And then they let Bayh argue for letting medical device makers off easy!
Mr. Lieberman was not the only moderate to voice concerns Tuesday. Sen. Evan Bayh (D., Ind.) said he was concerned both about the impact of the bill of the federal budget deficit and the bill’s impact on insurance premiums for families and businesses.
Mr. Bayh also said he would oppose a motion to proceed to the bill in its current form if a provision that would impose $40 billion in fees on the medical-device industry over 10 years isn’t eased.
“Without that, they would definitely not have had my support,” said Mr. Bayh. Medical-device makers have a big presence in his home state.
Update: Bloomberg doesn’t call Lieberman out on his lies or ignorance either.
Update: Fox doesn’t give Lieberman’s excuse, so of course they don’t debunk it.
Update: Jonathan Cohn shows other journalists how it’s done.
It literally makes no sense whatsoever. A public plan does not provide a new entitlement. It just doesn’t. It’s a different form of providing an entitlement. Nor is it more expensive. In fact, the stronger versions of the public plan would cost less money. Lieberman is just babbling nonsense here.
Another reason for his position, of course, is that Connecticut is home to some huge insurance companies, who don’t want any new competition. But the other Connecticut Senator isn’t threatening a filibuster.
Update: MSNBC has done several follow-ups. But they’ve not yet gotten around to actually reporting that Lieberman’s entire premise is bogus.
Update: Mark Ambinder doesn’t bother to call Lieberman on his bogus premise. Instead, he just assumes that Lieberman’s “play for power”–one that relies on the flaccidity of the press–will work.
Now — the final bill, post-conference, is going to look a bit different from the reconciled Senate bill. Lieberman is giving himself the power to influence the final bill. I doubt that the Senate leadership is going to press him too hard right now, preferring to see if he can be accommodated in the final debate.
Update: Dana Bash engages in he-said-she-said, but doesn’t point out that CBO agrees with Dems that Lieberman’s premise is bogus.
Democrats call such claims fear-mongering and say a public option is the best way to bring competition to the market. President Obama has called a public option the best way to help achieve major goals of health care reform, including expanded coverage and lower costs.
Update: USA Today doesn’t bother telling its readers that Lieberman’s premise is bogus.
Update: Nor does CSM.
Update: Nor does the NYT.
There are no words to describe what a lowlife Joe is. I am ashamed to have him as my Senator. Earlier this month, Sen. Dodd assured me that Joe was on board for the cloture vote, but apparently Joe lies even to his fellow CT Senator.
He’s not even my senator, and yet, I share your shame.
Yeah, I would believe everything Dodd tells me.
Might the press point out the possibility of conflicts of interest for Mr. Lieberman? Our pay-per-view electoral system generously rewards senators willing to become guns for lobbyist hire. Mr. Lieberman’s donations from Connecticut insurers – who dominate Connecticut’s economy – and from others situated in nearby Manhattan – whose financial well-being directly affects Connecticut’s fortunes – might call his objectivity and sincerity into legitimate question. Might it not?
It’s not as if Mr. Lieberman had a stellar record on that score or with any of his pontificating for more war war everywhar. That’s helpful to GE and other top defense contractors who call Connecticut home.
Don’t forget JoeL’s wife. She’s a ‘not a lobbyist’ for part of BigPharma.
It’s time for Reid to tell him that he’ll strip him of the Homeland Security Chair.
G’bye, Joe.
Given the relationship between Obama and Lieberman, wonder if this has any relationship to why the WH was against opt-out.
Regardless, point well taken re: the lack of reportage. Media might offer a defense that they’ve never reported the substance of hcr reform, so why start now?
Great chance for DEM to rid themselves of Liberman now. The Caucus needs to lose a few republicans, and the GOP needs to gain some moderates. So it would be win-win.
I think you have this exactly backwards. I think the WH is and has been against the P.O. because they bargained it away months ago. Now JoeLie rides to the rescue after Reid flipped off the WH yesterday by keeping the P.O. in the bill. I think all the unsourced chatter about the WH unhappiness with Reid is legit and they’ve called in a few chits to get JoeLie to save their bacon.
Lieberman does seem to perform the assistant principle role that Obama shouldn’t do and Rahm can’t do, as he’s no longer a Congresscritter. (Many will work hard to see that his career as a public employee ends with the Obama administration.) Which makes Holy Joe superman Obama’s Clarkish Kent, in a noxious, inverted, perverted sort of way.
Dear Senate Majority Leader Reid ,
Please show some leadership and either keep Senator Leibermann on side or strip him of all party perks bestowed by virtue of our having handed you the Demoocratic Party majority status. If DINO Joe is going to vote like a Republican asshat then we need to make the separation official and go for a completed divorce.
Sincerely ,
The great majority of the voting public who has had it with being pillaged by Humana and all of the rest of the gangster health insurers ….
Insurance stocks spike after L’il Joe’s moment in the sun:
Ahhhh, Kabuki.
The key point in Lieberman’s statement is that he will let the bill go to the floor for debate. Worry about the rest when the time comes.
I foresee a slow walkback from where Lieberman of Lieberman’s formerly firm position on the bill.
Hey, Joe. Remember. The gavel. The gavel. Don’t piss off 57 members of your own caucus.
No. He’ll filibuster with the repugs.
Gibbs comment:
Interesting take, Klynn.
Help, what take? What did I write that was so interesting?
Woops! I meant phred.
Sorry to go OT in all the Lieberhating (count me in there, too!) but I just wanted to point out that with the House Judiciary Committee meeting scheduled for Thursday afternoon, we have, just as I predicted, more terrorist arrests today. This particular story doesn’t seem to have much juice, so I’ll bet they try to get something “flashier” tomorrow or early Thursday.
You may resume your regularly scheduled Lieberbashing.
Joe’s so low he makes nematodes embarrassed to be around him.
Nah, I don’t hate Joe, he’s just a tool. It’s Obama and his BFF Rahm that has my dander up.
I got plenty of dander to go around for all three.
LOL. I definitely have dander to spare for JoeLie, but I still think ObamaRahma is behind JoeLie’s filibuster threat today. Not that JoeLie isn’t capable of being a fly in the ointment all on his own, but I do think he tends to take dictation. And if Rahm gave him the thumbs up to go poke his finger in the eye of progressives, JoeLie would be only too happy to oblige.
OT
Christy denies driving the wrong way on a one-way street!
He must have learned his denial from Dick Cheney.
That Gibbs is so bright.
“I think Democrats and Republicans alike will be held accountable by their constituents who want to see health care reform enacted this year.”
or you could say:
“I think Democrats and Republicans alike will be held accountable by their constituents who Don’t want to see health care reform enacted this year.”
This article is at the top on HuffPo. Most excellent, Marcy!
How ’bout that gavel, Harry? Huh?
And then there is the Haggis Weathervane; constantly blowharding in the wind.
Perhaps if we’ll shove the sickest 6 million Americans into some crematoria, we might reduce unemployment and reduce deficits?
I would point out that you need Joe Lieberman and his showboating to kill this only inasmuch as he provides cover for the actual Democrats like Mary Landrieu who have never supported the public option. Party affiliation is the only leverage on Mary Landrieu I can think of, since Obama is not exactly popular there, and it is weak leverage.
When I saw this on memeorandum I said, “Loser”. Even I am willing to criticize Joe Lieberman on this one.
I just can’t imagine how I would feel now had I not done some work to help Lamont get elected.
Like the Bulls after a visit to Western Michigan?
Daily Kos diary by grannyhelen currently on the rec list: Updated (2x)- Earth to Lieberman: Connecticut HAS a Public Option
EW, our house adores when you do this process of setting out the clarity on a concern or the words of power trying to create confusion and call the bull out followed by tracking the MSM’s inept reporting. This approach could be a standing “method” of media review. It would be quite effective.
Thank you again. Great work. Great sunlight you are shining.
BRAVO! I love it, thanks for busting Lieberman’s myths even as they’re floated.
IMO, he’s not just “babbling nonsense,” it’s a very deliberate effort to jack the narrative. It’s bugs me to no end when otherwise intelligent people fail to see the mythologic in the madness.
Would we describe the efforts of a pick-pocket as just random motions? Lieberman’s myths are purposeful, crafted with great skill and malice aforethought, not ‘mindless’ or any other dismissive term. Let’s give the devil his due.
And word to klynn @32. We can now track attempted myth-jackings in real time, it’s my favorite use of the Internet.
Oh I get the real-time. I just appreciate EW’s methodology. She slices at the heart of the myth without giving wiggle room and calls out those who try to support it.
She dissects words.
ew/ anyone
what is that “college advantage” advertisement doing in the middle of Ew’s post. Can’t get rid of it.