The Rove Interview Materials, Working Thread
The House Judiciary Committee has just released all its materials from the Rove and Miers interviews. They are linked below.
I’m going to take a quick glance before I hop in the car to drive to Pittsburgh. But I’ll take a closer look tonight.
BTW, here’s what HJC sent out in the press release.
Key new facts revealed in the materials released today include:[
• 2005 White House “Decision” to fire David Iglesias – It has previously been known that New Mexico Republicans pressed for Iglesias to be removed because they did not like his decisions on vote fraud cases. New White House documents show that Rove and his office were involved in this effort no later than May 2005 (months earlier than previously known) – for example, in May and June 2005, Rove aide Scott Jennings sent emails to Tim Griffin (also in Rove’s office) asking “what else I can do to move this process forward” and stressing that “I would really like to move forward with getting rid of NM US ATTY.” In June 2005, Harriet Miers emailed that a “decision” had been made to replace Iglesias. At this time, DOJ gave Iglesias top rankings, so this decision was clearly not just the result of the White House following the Department’s lead as Rove and Miers have maintained.1
• Iglesias criticized by Rove aide for not “doing his job on” Democratic Congressional Candidate Patricia Madrid – An October 2006 email chain begun by Representative Heather Wilson criticized David Iglesias for not bringing politically useful public corruption prosecutions in the run up to the 2006 elections. Scott Jennings forwarded Wilson’s email to Karl Rove and complained that Iglesias had been “shy about doing his job on Madrid,” Wilson’s opponent in the 2006 Congressional race. Just weeks after this email, Iglesias’ name was placed on the final firing list.2
• An “agitated” Rove pressed Harriet Miers to do something about Iglesias just weeks before Iglesias was placed on the removal list – Karl Rove phoned Harriet Miers during a visit to New Mexico in September 2006 – according to Miers’ testimony, Rove was “agitated” and told her that Iglesias was “a serious problem and he wanted something done about it.”3
• Senator Domenici personally asked Bush’s Chief of Staff Josh Bolten to have Iglesias replaced –In October 2006, Senator Domenici stepped up his campaign to have Iglesias replaced. According to White House phone logs and emails, as well as Rove’s own testimony, Domenici spoke with President Bush’s Chief of Staff Josh Bolten about Iglesias on October 5, 2006, and during October 2006, Domenici or his staff spoke with Karl Rove at least 4 times.4
• Todd Graves removed in Rove-approved deal with Republican Senator – Kansas City US Attorney Todd Graves was removed as part of a White House-brokered deal with US Senator Kit Bond. In exchange for the Administration firing Graves, Senator Bond agreed to lift his hold on an Arkansas judge nominated to the Eighth Circuit federal appeals court. A White House email stated that “Karl is fine” with the proposal.5
• Miers obtained favorable statement on Rick Renzi in violation of DOJ policy – When rumors of the FBI investigation of Rep. Rick Renzi surfaced in October, 2006, one of Rove’s subordinates contacted Harriet Miers, who called Deputy Attorney General McNulty seeking a possible statement that would have “vindicated” Renzi. Even though this was contrary to standard DOJ policy, such a statement was issued several days later.6
“I have provided a copy of the materials released today to special U.S. Attorney Nora Dannehy to assist in her effort to determine whether federal criminal charges are appropriate and to pursue any such charges,” said Conyers.
This is kind of non-responsive:
Non-responsive? Rove?
I’m shocked — shocked, I tell you . . .
Yep, he didn’t want to talk about this. Wish Whitehouse were there.
Interesting that Rove considered both AGAG and his predecessor as being insignificant.
Yep. I had a similar reaction reading this…
Hard to imagine a president’s aide ordering the top WH lawyers around so blithely. Perfectly embodies how the Bush admin prioritized trivial stuff like the Constitution and rule of law. The supposedly top lawyers were just errand boys (girl).
I jumped ahead.
“But it was an unusual process that involved, in my opinion, a congressional usurpation of a presidential power, which probably finds no attraction in this room except for the representatives from the Obama White House.”
Rove’s arrogance and nerve knows no bounds
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Q Do you know why Senator Fitzgerald would be under the impression that you did?
A No. I chalk it up to an overactive imagination. It is one of the reasons why I said no when he asked me to come bank at his bank when he was in Virginia.
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WTF was this about? Totally out of context..WTF
Give Rove some sodium pentothol all ready
On July 29, 2005, Ralston testified before federal grand jury prosecutor, Patrick J. Fitzgerald, investigating whether government officials illegally disclosed the identity of CIA officer Valerie Wilson. Matthew Cooper made a call sometime in July 2003 to Karl Rove but there were no records of the call. Ralston claimed there were no records because they had transferred his call.
On January 3, 2006, Jack Abramoff pleaded guilty to conspiracy, and related charges, and agreed to cooperate with prosecutors in a corruption probe in Washington.
In September 2006, the House Government Reform Committee released a report on Abramoff’s dealings with the White House.
Ralston resigns October,06.
In May 2007, Ralston attempted to seek immunity before testifying in front of Representative Henry Waxman’s House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. Ralston was deposed in private before asking for immunity.
On May 10, 2007, Ralston testified to the US Committee on Oversight and Government Reform that Karl Rove used an Republican National Committee (RNC) email account daily for most of his official communications as Deputy White House Chief of Staff for Strategic Planning and Senior Advisor to the President in a possible violation of the Presidential Records Act of 1978.Wikipedia
just got started and can’t spend too much time on this right now either but here at the very top;
that statement gives rove cart blanch
that reminds me of someone
a person from the past
who had a similar job
ever heard of martin bormann
I’m sorry I violated that “Nazi” rule, but bormann is the only sample that fits on herr kkkarl
Damn, I would kiss Peter FItzgerald if he had this taped.
This is interesting for two reasons. First, for the interjection of Emmet Flood–who’s there representing Bush (and how, btw, is at the same firm as Cheney’s lawyer, Terry O’Donnell). And for Rove’s “that I can recall.”
Oopsies … perjury ?
Rove is the funny!
Of course ROve manages to avoid saying “yeah, I can think of a reason to fire him. Because he had(s) my buddy Kjellander in his sights.”
Around page 230, Mark Corallo was calling Shannen Coffen (Addington’s advisor and replacement at OVP) about “The US Attorney issue”.
This shoulf make for good beach reading. I wish we hadn’t just finshed a weekend.
Yep. I wish I wasn’t about to hop in the car and drive 5 hours.
ah, it’s the Netroots Nation Document Dump…taking the place of the “pass the Constitution-destroying bill quick the DFHs are all distracted at Yearly Kos” legislation from previous years.
Note that appearing for the Minority (i.e. representing them in the Rove interview) is one Richard Alan Hertling, Republican Deputy Chief Of Staff/Policy Director (page 2 of July 7 interview).
And from the Wiki entry on Hertling:
Can one say that the
foxesRepugs were making sure to guard the henhouse?Yes, I thought one can. *g*
Um, I am just arriving at the party, but what is the status of the Bolten Subpoena Duces Tecum resopnse material? In here, not in here, coming not coming; what?
It’s the White House documents stuff, I’m pretty sure.
Yeah, that looks right from a cursory look. Sure would be nice if we knew whoos chickenscratch is oos in that set. I’ll say this, i noticed dick Hertling’s name right off the bat….
When will Rove be indicted, if that is the next step?
Also, I am currently hiring for the position of reader to read this junk to Marcy as she is driving and transcribe her comments. Salary payable in either American or Canadian hubcaps……
Hmmm, we could do a group enactment … I call dibs on the voice(s) of Norton, Ernie and/or Miss Piggy [don’t ask ! ]
Would love to be a fly on the wall when the Sen. Peter Fitzgerald crowd sees that K-k-k-karl Rove was dissing him for having ‘an overactive imagination’.
Yeowsa.
Q …This is a Chicago Tribune article from March 14, 2007, where Senator Fitzgerald is quoted in, I think, the sixth paragraph as saying, “Rove said to me that the [PA Pat] Fitzgerald appointment got great headlines for you but it ticked off the base.”
Guess it’s too much to wish that fmr Sen Fitz might respond publicly?
And another thing. Why is that only Repubs worry about ticking off their base?
Post Howard Dean, the Dems have a big enough tent that they don’t have to wet their pants about pandering to a ‘base’.
The amount of focus that Rove has always put on judgeships and voting fraud has become increasingly intriguing. More evidence, IMHO, that the man is incapable of any healthy sense of social responsibility — he’s always, everywhere, totally about gaming any system that he encounters.
At least, that’s the pattern that I see when I read about him time, after time, after time.
It’s never about building a humane, decent world.
It’s always about tactics and gaming a system.
Quite the social parasite, is Rove.
His claims of ‘pissing off the base’ are probably his own delusional way of finding a handerchief to cover his own interests. ‘The base’ was code for Rove’s ego a lot of the time, as near as I can fathom.
You’ve got rove pegged alright! Excellent description of his behavior!
I think the arrogant, “I said no” dig on the banking is both weird and even more provoking.
lots and lots and lots of “not that I recall” wrt Dunn Lampton and Paul Minor.
And the Republicans went really crazy when Mincburg started asking about CHris Christie.
The big unanswered questions from Mini-Me Kyle Sampson’s interview (and the Jennings/Griffin followups) that may be addressed here:
Who had authority to put names on the Magic List? Who had authority to take names off the Magic List? Who had the authority to sign off on the Magic List?
Okay folks! Signing off until I get to Pittsburgh.
You know the drill: the liquor cabinet has been stocked from the LAST time it mysteriously got emptied when I was out of town. bmaz has the key. I’ll follow up on tihs tonight in P-Burgh provided I don’t get forced into drinking (it is one night early tonight, so…). And take care!!
EW, Mary, Bmaz or anyone else caring to weigh in,
I was just having a conversation with someone who has just been placed on a grand jury and we got to how they operate and eventually to talking about “runaway” juries. It strikes me that if I were on a grand jury I don’t think I’d even know where to begin if I’d decided “hey, I have reason to believe that a crime was committed by X (Rove, Cheney, Addington in authorizing retribution for Iglesias/outing Plame/authorizing torture) and feel it is appropriate for the grand jury on which I sit to investigate”. I was on a grand jury in 2003 and am probably coming up on a new round of civic duty sooner rather than later — in NYC we get called all the time.
Do you think you could put together a list of specific actions you might undertake if you were a grand juror who wanted to take a look into these” allegations”? Beginning with: is there even a remote possibility that a grand jury without an ADA actively directing it could start investigating whether to bring charges…
If you only need a couple people out of the 18 on any given grand jury who knew exactly what they are entitled to do and enough juries are paneled, you just might hit the double bank shot. But never would happen without a playbook.
That is a brilliant idea, IMVHO. I was thinking the other day that even if Holder appoints someone to do a circumscribed investigation of torture, what if a grand jury ran with it? But the idea of getting this out to people, just in case of “whatever” is brilliant!
One thing a bit odd about that is that Matthew Friedrich (a Gonzales aide) said he had a Nov 2006 breakfast meeting with Pat Rogers (lawyer/pol) and Mickey Barnett (lobbyist/pol) and they were both pressuring him then. He also says that they said they had been talking to Domenici and Rove, but back then Rove was denying that he spoke with Rogers or Barnett and he couldn’t remember talking to Weh (who said he aksed for Iglesias to be gotten rid of on more than one occassion and on the last one, in “late” 2006, when he was meeting with Rove at the WH, Rove told Weh that Iglesias was gone.) SO I guess I’ll be looking for the Rogers, Barnett and Weh names in addition to Domenici, Miers, etc. And another name would be Paul Kennedy.
I can’t get the old McClatchey link to work, but this link goes to a site that has McClatchey’s older story on a lof of the NM names involved
http://www.neilrogers.com/news…..31209.html
I like the description of a 9 donor, 5,000/plate affair with Rove that Pat Rogers says he just “can’t remember” whether he attended, but he’s sure if he did that he never discussed Iglesias with Rove (although he told Friederich in Nov that he had …)
I see that McNulty was Miers go-to guy to get the statement on Renzi. I still would like to know what happened to the Comey to Margolis delegation once McNulty got in as DAG and/or any interaction between McNutly, Margolis, Fitzgerald on it all. Probably nothing since it has never come up, but I can just see McNulty pulling back the delegation from Margolis and playing games for his bosses.
Hmmmm… McNulty? Lemme see if that name turns up in the EW Ghorbanifar Timeline… Why, lookee, it does! (Surprise!)
August 27, 2004: Rosen and Weissman interviewed by FBI; Rosen warns Israeli of investigation
August 27, 2004: News of AIPAC investigation leaked; Paul McNulty put in charge of case
August 29-20, 2004: Feith, Luti, Rodman interviewed about whether they had authorized Franklin’s leaks to AIPAC
September-October 2004: Through Michael Ledeen’s intercession, Plato Cacheris agrees to represent Franklin pro bono
May 3, 2005: Franklin charged with espionage in sealed complaint
August 2005: Feith leaves DOD
September 9, 2005: Roberts requests DOD IG investigation into “unlawful” activities of OUSD(P)
September 22, 2005: Levin requests DOD IG investigation into “improper” activities of OUSD(P)
November 1, 2005: Harry Reid shuts down Senate in effort to restart Phase II
November 2005: DOD OIG begins investigation into Feith, stalling the SSCI investigation into Feith [My Note: After Harry Reid shut down the Senate, and over a year after McNulty was put in charge of the AIPAC case.]
January 2006: Jello Jay becomes Chair SSCI (Pat Roberts quits Committee, Kit Bond becomes Ranking Member)
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So McNulty was also keeping an eye on Renzi’s problems? Renzi of ManTech (?sp??) linkages? ManTech the huge surveillance op out in Arizona?
Boy, howdy — talk about your linkages and dots that must surely connect in one way or another…. yeowsa!!!
is there an aparent smoking gun or blazing lie in this transcript?
Probably a few smoldering wrecks.
And a few embers that need to be stirred up in order to flame up enough to enlighten.
Ah – memories. Looking at some of the emails, I’m remembering that other bit of DOJ subterfuge, where they used Specter to pull off the flim flam on the Patriot Act revision that ended up allowing AGAG to appoint whoever he wanted for however long he wanted and Senate advice and consent be damned.
Of course Specter’s a Democrat now, so it’s all different. Or not.
I’m skimming the White House Part 11 bundle. Early 2007 material, concerning meetings or appearances before SJC (McNulty) and HJC (Moschella), and other aspects of info flow, as they (vaguely) realize that there’s some danger of losing control.
OT
Michigan State Police Trooper Busted For Abusing Fusion Center Database
http://www.theoaklandpress.com…..323885.txt
A Michigan State Police trooper is on suspension after being charged with improperly using a statewide computerized database.
Trooper Stephen Anderson was arraigned July 22 in 52-2 District on a misdemeanor charge of unauthorized disclosure of LEIN — the Law Enforcement Information Network.
The computerized information system, which includes personal information and criminal histories, isn’t open to the public. Michigan State Police declined to comment, saying only that an internal investigation was conducted prior to the charge being brought against Anderson.
The RNC 1 PDF has this introduction:
Brilliant catch TarheelDem!
And now, where’d bmaz put the damn olives?! I think this lil’ gem calls for a very dry martini, with olives.
Over three of the PDF files, there is no there there yet. Political operatives in RNC reporting to political aides in White House, probably for Rove’s information. Briefings about events in Alabama (with very careful editing on the RNC side for informing the WH) and scads of national tracking polls. But that’s only over three files.
WH-11, pages 221 to 231. Seems that the WH first gauged the size of their political problem via Sen. Feinstein on Jan 16. From Kelley to Miers (page 228):
My emphasis!!! I mean, the very idea!
Subsequent material (pages 234 to 238) predates the Feinstein floor remarks and gives some background to Kelley’s umbrage, e.g. from Kenneth Lee to Jennifer Brosnahan (page 234, Dec 14, 1006):
and in the memo history,
Wonder if Greg Craig has wet his pants today? Whatever happened to his impending removal from office?
RNC 1 is a series of edits of the Alabama Briefing on the 2006 race; the ones regarding Siegelman have to do with wording that changed ‘the Democrats might be without a candidate’ language to ‘there are five possible candidates should’. Last item was a spreadsheet of tracking polls nationwide.
RNC-2 is all tracking polls from 2006.
RNC-3 is all tracking polls; Siegelman is shown at 23%
Rove via Twitter: “I welcome release of HJC interviews & docs. Items speak for themselves…”
Now, twolf1, given your ability to portray Mr. Porcine Rove himself in full JabbaTheHut hideousness, if you decide to add a cell phone to that ‘cluster of grapes’ you had Rove eating in that diabolically clever Rove portrait you once inflicted upon the collective eyeballs that assemble round these parts, I earnestly beseech to you to put an very large ALERT! posting.
It’s only fair; your last image just wiped me clean out of brain bleach… ;-))
Now, to find where bmaz hid the damn olives…
I don’t see it linked in the comments yet, but here’s the WaPo take on this material:
I’m a little surprised they didn’t go with their usual headline: Rove Move Involved in {Insert Scandal} Than Previously Known.
This one’s for you, EW.
Dana Perino On US Attorney Firings Scheme: ‘I Can’t Breathe’
By Justin Elliott – August 11, 2009, 4:58PM
:This is fun. In the trove of Bush White House documents released by the House Judiciary Committee is an email chain from November 2006 in which Deputy Press Secretary Dana Perino first learns of the plan to purge U.S. Attorneys.
“Perino’s reaction after getting the heads-up email and the attached “USA replacement plan.doc”?
“Someone get me an oxygen can!!”‘
More.
Breathless Pig Missile. I wonder if that leads to bloating?
Oh, pleeze. I didn’t need that mental image. I just might hide all the limes from you for that one. Tee hee.
The official WH spokeshorde did get at least one day heads up that media were going walkabout, if not Sen. Feinstein. Brian Roehrkasse to Dana P. Missle et alia, Jan. 15 2007 (page 280):
And so it ends.
One of the things that’s always fascinated me about that business with the USAGs is how Josh Marshall at TPM really helped put ‘distributed intellegence’ and ‘blogswarm’ on the map.
Jay Carney had reported in TIME that his sources on the Hill (including Dems) had said it was no biggie.
It was Josh Marshall and TPM who put it on the map by collecting info from their (clearly rather well-placed and well-informed) reader network and then assembled the puzzle pieces.
In Carney’s defense, he did apologize publicly, which was gallant.
But even DiFi didn’t seem to grasp it all until TPM assembled the mosaic from a lot of diverse reader sources. Really amazing of TPM, and then built upon by FDL.
Thank you for making this point. There is a flood of information pouring out of Washington, but it takes cooperative investigations like TPM’s, as well as what takes place here with EW, bmaz and the commenters, to sort it all out, find the significant stuff, and connect the dots.
Bob in HI
How y’all doing here?
The bar is open, but keep yer hands off my tequila!
Tequila, I got plenty of — especially in football season (damn Huskies!).
Where’d you put the olives, and has ManTech been listening to us all inquire about how it was that the WH was sending emails via the RNC’s ‘communications equipment’, at the same time that McNulty was sitting on the AIPAC investigation and also, one presumes, babysitting Renzi’s problems? Man, this is a three-martini document dump.
Got some Laphroaig in there?
After all this, I think I’ll need a shot.
You’re like the umpteenth person to mention Laphroaig this week … is it that good ?
If you like single-malt, it’s pretty good. (Also pricey.)
I’ve tasted good sherry, also: it was like liquid brown sugar, with a kick.
And black pepper vodka, and chili vodka. (Black pepper works better than chilis.)
a litle motivation for readers of the following documents …
a tweet from Karl Rove.
Uh-oh…the media’s complicity in all this crap, as exposed in today’s doc dump, could be like a pulled fire-alarm, and many more will crowd the doors, trying to escape the burning building that was the GOP…
http://rawstory.com/08/news/20…..ite-house/
Emails show Washington Post reporter coordinated
attorney firing story with White House
By Muriel Kane
Published: August 11, 2009
Updated -3274 second ago
When a scandal involving the Bush administration’s firing of US Attorneys broke in early 2007, initial coverage by the Washington Post supported the idea that the firings had been politically motivated. That approach, however, quickly changed to one that was far more friendly to the White House.
…Several of these emails suggest coordination between Post reporter John Solomon and Bush administration officials on how to managee the Post’s coverage of the widening scandal.
In one email to a White House spokesperson, Solomon even appears to be suggesting what spin to apply in order to minimize damage from the revelations.
[…]
In response, the House and Senate Judiciary Committees had announced “that they would issue subpoenas for testimony from Iglesias and other fired prosecutors if necessary.”
The next day, as administration officials frantically tried to figure out how to minimize the damage, Solomon wrote to White House spokesperson Dana Perino.
“I’ve been asked to help out Dan Eggen for a day on the prosecutor purge story and I got some interesting details this morning I’d like to run by you,” Solomon told Perino. “It illuminates the White House role, which has been absent from the media coverage but is the true target for the upcoming congressional hearings by Democrats. … I’ll go over everything I’ve been told and see what we can get formally confirmed.”
Solomon’s email to Roehrkasse, indicating the approach he intended to take, followed about an hour later.
Discussion of the proposed article then continued among White House officials throughout the afternoon, with objections being raised in particular to Solomon’s description of the firings as part of “a much larger process that began at the start of 2006 when White House political affairs under Sara Taylor identified several GOP supporters who still needed appointments across government before Bush left office.”
[…]
The Bush administration’s satisfaction with Solomon’s story can be seen in an exchange of emails on the day of its publication.
[…]
And Kyle Sampson — the counselor to then-Attorney General Alberto Gonzales who would be forced to resign just nine days later for his role in the scandal — responded, “Great work, Brian. Kusos to you and the DAG.”[…]
This revelation couldn’t happen to a “nicer” newspaper. Looks like yet another scandal that they will have to cover up.
This Solomon person — he still have a job? Why?
He has a new job–at the Moonie Times. Solomon has been an owned property since they subpoenaed his phone records in 2001.
Yaay … Mommy’s reached PittsBoigh !
Let the House Party begin !
Hey, Petro — has it occurred to you that Toronto is a shorter drive for EW than is Pittsboigh? I just looked at the map, and that looks shorter to me. Not a lot shorter, but a little.
I will concur that it is a shorter drive to Toronto, I had some Michiganders visit last week.
[Reply to rotl at 58] It does seem that this was the issue when it happened. Certainly in the one packet of memos (wish there were more of an index or something!) it seems that WH had no idea what was about to hit them, and Feinstein was only a step or two ahead.
Even after the mid-January 2007
floodswarm, they can hardly believe that they have to get any closer to where the energy actually was being generated than Joe Conason (see page 28 of WH-11); hardly the worst choice, but iirc even he was pretty much trying to catch up to the TPM crowd and some members of the FDL Bar Association for a while.And they call their co-ordinating papers “talking points memos!”
Unsung, but not unappreciated, heroes. Every one.
“…the TPM crowd and some members of the FDL Bar Association…”
Ha! I like that. The FDL Bar Association, indeed!
Bob in HI
Would that be “liquor” or “legal”, Bob?
Yes.
Bob in HI
ot: Judge says not so fast to the SEC’s pathetic 33 million fine against BofA for their Merrill pre-merger bonuses. Fav quote:
Rosenfeld is the lawyer for the SEC.
link
From Harriet Mier’s testimony (page 32):
Hmmm…Harriet, those 2 answers contradict. First you’d be surprised if Turdblossom was involved, and second, you’d be surprised if he wasn’t involved.
So I’m guessing that Harriet got caught lying here, and in the blink of an eye decided that the lie was obvious to all, so she’d better change her testimony immediately.
And what do you know, she did. From the next Q&A:
There, fixed it for her.
“specific” how about conversations where the “firing” was mentioned, discussed, brought up, whispered about in conversations.
They did not ask her if she had a “specific” conversation. They asked her if she had “discussed” the firings.
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So why did this person questioning allow her to flip the word “discuss” to “specific conversation’
Why not stay with did you “discuss”
What a thug..on top of being a liar
So if Rove can no longer claim he wasn’t deeply involved in the firings, does he have a shot at proving it wasn’t improper for him to have done so? Previously I had the impression that his role was firmly and solely categorized as political advisor, which would be FAIL, but it sounds like there is now an attempt to broaden (after the fact) his remit to the point where it would not have been improper. Bullshit obviously, but is it gonna fly at DoJ, in the Grand Jury, or in court?
Well, this is a guy who claims former Sen Fitzgerald has an ‘active imagination’, so I figure he’ll try anything — no matter how egregious, how stupid it makes him look, nor how criminal it may be.
Trust Rove to try and ‘broaden his remit’ at the same time he’s claiming he never emailed anything via an RNC server.
I want to know how many of those email addresses in the White House dump still work…
((( Skdadl )))
Not to mention that Toronto has no gloating Sports Fans, like Pittsboigh … and prolly better Irish Pubs too !
FWIW, Toronto works out to be a longer or roughly equal drive as P-Burgh on account of that crazy little border thing. Particularly getting back. Seems it’s easier for us furriners to get into Canada than for us ‘Murkins to get back home (though I admittedly usually travel with a furriner coming home).
That’s because Janet Napolitano thinks that we’re porous. Or someone has told her that she has to say that we’re porous.
You’re porous? I thought you Canucks were richous?
Trust me, where Janet comes from we are porous.
We just didn’t like her lumping the Canadian Border with the Mexican Border and all it’s problems.
Heck, if terrists really wanted to cross the 49, they wouldn’t need to use a Bridge …
Ah, common mistake: Poor us is what she actually said. Simple transcription error.
I understand that, but she did early on repeat the line about 9/11 hijackers entering the U.S. from Canada, which we all know to be utterly untrue. I believe she later apologized for that.
Ressam (millennium) is the one case we know of for sure, and he was caught by a border guard doing her ordinary job, none of your fancy Michael Chertoff stuff. There may have been some shadies I’m not aware of, and it is a very long border. But still, I was sorry to see that she wouldn’t dial back on the paranoia.
My Michigander friends left Toronto Sunday afternoon and arrived home in 3.45 hours. Coming here took them 3.25 hours.
Yes, one of them is an Engineer, how did you guess ? *g*
Well, you know Ann Arbor isn’t exactly on the border.
I hope you take the time to enjoy Pittsburgh EW. It’s one of my favorite towns.
I really visually liked all the beautiful hilly terrain though walking or driving places meant never going anywhere in a straight line.
Spent many weeks there on business and found Pittsburghers some of the friendliest folks around (and that from someone who lives in Minnesota “Nice”).
h/t Styve
This stuff pisses me off to no end. Is there anything these bastards didn’t taint with their machinations.
http://rawstory.com/08/news/20…..ite-house/
So what about the chilling effect on US Attorney’s performing their job appropriately if they know that they will be fired if they don’t press prosecutions when it would be politically expedient for the President and/or the President’s party?
Whenever the topic of Rove comes up it reminds me of the The Paradigms of Power as laid out by L.E. Modesitt, Jr. in his book Adiamante.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adiamante
You have to wonder when Repug “lizardbrainitis” will be added to the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders).
And it’s incurable and terminal.
You know, I always wondered why my former State Rep’s (R) office smelled like a swamp.
He had to suddenly announce that he wasn’t running for re-election due to, what was it, oh yeah, something about a 14 year old girl.
It would have been shorter if he’d just called it the social contract. And there is a flaw if he assumes just a single society within a given territory/country; see for example tea party society and ordinary civil society coexisting within the US, each with a different standard of where that forbearance line must be drawn. Which club gets to remove the other one?
Ah, in the book their were only two societies. But, I don’t know that he would redraw the rules to account for the coexistance of multiple societies.
I believe it was Stephen Hawking that said, in response to someone asking his opinion about our efforts to contact alien life, something to the effect of “given how well we get along with each other, I’d keep our heads down.”
The point is, in the absence of internal agreement inside one of those two ’societies’, what faction has the legitimacy to suppress any others? If the model doesn’t accommodate that problem, then it’s an incomplete model.
I only posted half of the model. The other half, The Construct, can be read at the wikipedia link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adiamante
Not much better. Assumes all people have the same understanding of too much, rather than the differences we see in life — for example, in authoritarians, the empathy-deficited, and (to bring it back around) in Rove. Now if those were only a few, then there there would be no issue. But to the extent that there are a lot of them, and to the extent that those antisocial traits tend to collect power to those who exhibit them, you’re back at the two-tribes scenario. There is, in short, no trust in the first place so the rest built atop trust fails.
Oh, I agree that it isn’t very practical (they even had to cheat in the novel to make it work). It is more like a thought experiment in novel form. But, I find it an interesting standard to turn to when measuring human or national behavior.
Mom made it to the Burg. We’ve got that going for us.
So far: Perino and John Solomon. A little DiFi. Remembering back, Iglesias wasn’t so aye-aye-aye, aside from Tom Cruise playing him in the movie. We were all about Carol Lam. That was the one that was so egregious, but I suppose it was also fun to see the gloves coming off in McCain country.
Interesting as well to see that Rove was working on this back in May–you know, back when the Empire was intact, before Katrina, etc: another bad presidential August. Maybe at some point people will realize that power has a different vacation schedule than the rest of us.
I always wondered why they went through with all this after losing the Nov 2006 elections, but it was all just part of the train going down the track I guess.
OT, but of interest here. From the NYT:
Gee whiz Doc Mitchell, that sounds exactly like what you’d get from folks like you who recommended and practiced fookin’ torture!
I’d recommend reading this 3 page article by Scott Shane.
And there’s this too:
I knew that sooner or later that weasel Cofer Black would get identified as one of the torture architects.
And when the GWOT money on the outside started looking too good to miss, per Wiki:
Man, if experts are willing to do that, imagine what torture victims will do.
Lawyers pay the experts better than the CIA does torture victims. Put em up in hotels a lot more comfortable than Gitmo too….
Way to conflate attack with information gathering there, Doc… Jesus Christ Almighty, who would buy that kind of crap logic and what the hell does it say about CIA leadership that they’d accept it??!?
Court upholds CIA contractor’s detainee abuse conviction
BY AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE Published: August 11, 2009 Updated 1 hour ago
“A federal appeals court has upheld the conviction of David Passaro, the first US civilian found guilty of abusing a detainee in Afghanistan, according to a copy of the ruling obtained by AFP Tuesday.
“A three-judge panel from the Fourth US Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond, Virginia on Monday found that, contrary to Passaro’s argument, federal courts have jurisdiction over assaults committed by US citizens abroad in countries where the United States conducts military missions.”
More.
Including Cuba?
Bingo!
Wow. Frickin’ A!
Hi TheraP!
We did already kinda have that with Rashul, but this is still going to be interesting. And are black sites going to qualify as well, or conspiracies that take place in part in the US, for delivery of persons to someplace like Egypt or Cuba where we don’t have military operations, but are taking somone against their will.
Hi back, Mary! (I’ve been out of the loop a bit lately.)
Naturally, I’m willing to qualify any sites where abuses occurred! (especially if any psychologists were involved – or how about we make that where any medical personnel were “around”?)
Any small victory is to be appreciated here. But too much is going down the memory hole it would appear.
It’s seems the right wing at large has decided to practice “ego down” in town halls. What’s next?
That is going to be really interesting.
RNC #15
A Report on Southern Women in Politics
A Mobile Register article about the AL Gov race, when Siegelman was still being mentioned
More tracking polls
Multiple copies of Hotline routed from different EOP interns
EOP = Executive Office of the President.
Gosh, no wonder they were sending messages via the RNC servers.
/s
Q: what ever happened to Debra Wang? the one who “resigned” from SD Cal?
Deborah Wong Yang is a partner at Gibson Dunn in the LA office.
Honestly, I keep checking back here today waiting for the ‘blog warriors’ to show up on Rove’s behalf, per:
Here we have the emails, the evidence that Rove played the system with such ruthless, reckless, ideological blindness that he merits the rest of his life in prison, and I expect some GOP-financed, Rovian Professional Blog Warriors to show up and try to sneak into the liquor cabinet.
Yet, no Blog Warriors…? Only us eWheelies?
Ah… maybe its a Clever New Rovian Strategery: kind of like the one Vizzini used to outwit The Man In Black (”…so it must be the wine in front of you…”). Where are the Rovian bearers of iocane, now that the evidence is publicly released…?
In hiding…?
Or too busy harranging over health care…?
OT, this actually belongs back on the Madoff thread, but I fear no one will go back and see it. From the NYT, Tues, 11 August: Madoff just made sh*t up:
Sorry for the ’screamy bold’ and the OT, but Madoff is to Money as K-k-k-karl Rove is to Political Genius.
So wonder whether any of that Abramoff money Rove was siphoning out of Abramoff-enabled Indian casinos was ending up in Bernie Madoff’s ‘pretend trading’ charlatanry in order to better hide, convert to Euros, or … whatever the hell they were doing with it.
Sorry for the OT, but perhaps inventing stocks and setting up a bogus computer system surely will merit an ‘honorable mention’ on a thread about rampant corruption.
Oh, and here’s a BCCI potential tie-in, timewise:
And did I forget to mention that former AG Mukasey’s son is Mr. Pascali’s atty?
You could not make this sh*t up.
Sounds like he thought he was doing his clients a favor by skimming off a fraction of the dirty money he was laundering, and passing it along as though it were trading gains. I mean, the outgoing money had to come from somewhere.
Clients, schmients.
Too bad about the systemic risk involved to the global markets, eh?
red ROVEr red ROVEr…
Fair Game
D’ya mean ‘Rove = Fair Game’?
Or, ‘Rove = so depraved he called Plame Fair Game?’
Sorry to be so daft.
Both, right? Karma’s a bitch. Actually, I was just remembering that Rove said that about a covert CIA agent and by that he meant fair game for the politics of personal destruction. At the time, she was not a public figure and had said exactly nothing, zip, nada to justify the poison he was about to project. Plus I forgot they hired Penn and Watts for the movie. No Fitz in the cast. It’s based on her memoir.
Gotcha ;-))
Karma’s quite the weaver of conundrums, paradoxes, and illusions.
Has k-k-k-Karl been caught in a net of his own making? Surprise, surprise ;-))
Lady Karma doesn’t appear to be in a hurry, does she?
no, not in a hurry. good that he’s being exposed as a liar though.
No doubt a residence, at that residence is Rove & Company. No big deal right? I guess that depends on how much of the property gets written off for business purposes. He’s asking 1,500 and paid 800.
Who asked?
No one, but he practiced that statement real hard.
… or trying not to have someone who an elected official has a particular attitude toward.
When Rove becomes concerned about where a particular line of questioning is going, he cuts it off by testifying that their principled belief would not have directed them to do so … without saying that they did not do so.
classic dissembling. Schiff asks him how and when. Rove answers, ‘I don’t know who’ then lays it at the feet of Miers and says he was against it.
Late 2004 would still be Gonzales at WH Counsel. He served there until early February 2005.
I have a theory I’m working on as a post.
Late 2004 would be after the election, sure. But it’d also be after the Appeals Court told Judy Judy Judy to testify.
Here’s some more summaries of the RNC PDF files from HJC:
RNC #4
Tracking polls and scoreboards
RNC#5
Tracking polls and scoreboards
RNC#6
Tracking polls and scoreboards
RNC#7
Tracking polls and scoreboards
RNC#8
Tracking polls and scorboards – all in the PDFs so far seem to be from Michael Ellis (no email) to Sara Taylor, gwb43.com
Alabama Political BP (bullet points?) File name is kinda interesting:
AL.FortBenning.011107.PoliticalBP.doc
1/11/2007 is the date on bullet points; Jan 9 is the date of the email
Obviously some edits being done by Caleb Graves, White House
Another copy: comments to Caleb Graves from Michael Drummond
These are for 2008 cycle
RNC#9
Friday Polling Report – from Sara Taylor, gwb43.com to RNC list on republican_national_committee.com
Report compiled by Ashlee Rich – Strategy
Michael Ellis, gwb43.com to Taylor Hughes, republican_national_committee.com
Political New and Notes (weekly)
Ellis, gwb43.com to Sara Taylor, republican_national_commitee.com
POTUS in CLEVELAND
April 24, 2006
Brooke Brodney,aol.com is asking Johnathan Felts about arrangements for the CLEVELAND event.
Felts routes to Sara Taylor with comment: “Do you know anything about this? The mere thought of working with this woman again pains me. I’m goin to name my freakin’ ulcer after her.”
Taylor replies: “Yes — by June 30 just heard today can u get an SP in
Felts: “OK – should just note that it is either for June 26 or June 30?
Taylor: “Just submit with these as preferred events.” asks for email of Carri Savage, COS for IN-09 Congressman Mike Sodrel
Felts: delivers details “I think I figured out the problem — the number MEllis is using does not include the transfer from the JFC. So that would also mean that all of our candidates who had a JFC last quarter would not have those totals listed.”
Taylor: “What do you mean? If someone wrote a check to a candidate — even a JFA, it would have to be listed on the disclosure”
Michael Ellis: “Apparently (as I’m finding out now) those funds were counted as “transfers to other authorized committees” and not as “contributions I can go back and change te number on our sheets — it would affect the Q1 column not the cash on hand”
Taylor: “Please do”
Ellis: “Here is the new version…” with Candidate Cash on Hand report
Target Media Markets – by Tiers
Targeting information for races
Direct copy of National Journal’s “The Hotline” from BJ Goergen, georgewbush.com to James MN Harris, mattblunt.com
RNC#10
Cash on Hand Sheets
Political News and Notes
Weekly polling charts
4/19/2006 AL Political BP
Melissa Danforth to Jason Huntsberry cc: Scott Jennings
“All yours- obviously the sooner we can wrap this up the better, but understand we have a lot going on Good work on the background information, and just some clarification needed on the Political stuff Scott — assuming you gave us the heads up about the National Committeewoman being a possible PPO nomination?”
RNC#11
Weekly polling charts
GA and AL Political BP
Caleb Graves, who.eop.gov to Korinne Kubena, gwb43.com cc: Emily Willeford, who.eop.gov
“Korinne — Raul Yanes the Staff Secretary has asked for political BPs for the President’s travel tomorrow to Alabama and Georgia. Attached are the latest Political BPs from the two states. The good news is they are both from January of this year [2007] and hopefully we can turn these around a little bit easier. Let me know what I can do to help track down information you need to include. Thank you.”
AL Political BP drafts
RNC#12
AL Political BP
Karl Rove, georgewbush.com, forwards Hastings Wyman’s Southern Political Report to [email protected] and Susan Ralston, georgewbush.com; later to Taylor Hughes, who.eop.gov
Susan Ralston to Mina Nguyen-Government Affairs
“See this item from the [White House] Bulletin below. Does it make sense to forward to Sam Mok to get to Asian Week and others?
Despite Rumors, Key Rove Aide Susan Ralston Not Leaving White House…” with description of which news media had reported that she had quit
Same from Susan Ralston to other people
RNC Research flyer – “Democrat Ethics Breakdown” to Ralston
Aaron Burr – Research and Communications – WSJ clippings post-2006 election
Karl Rove forwarding to Taylor Hughes the talking points for an ATRA speech with question from Myriah Jordan, who.eop.gov
Jason Huntsberry to Karl Rove, AL Primary Update, June 6, 2006
[email protected] to Karl Rove
sounding promising for Bilbray–that would be huge psychological blow to Ds
Riley, Baxley win in Alabama as 8 state hold primaries
BC-Primaries Rdp. 9th Ld.630
Eds: UPDATES with Baxley win in Alabama, early numbers from California
With BC-Primary-Glance, BC-Primary Briefs
copies a Robert Tanner AP piece
Sara Taylor to Karl Rove, Primary Tracking Master
Mike Allen, Time, forwards a Washington Post piece to Rove about California Congressional Win
Three files to go. Impression is that Alabama was an important Governor’s race for Rove because Riley in 2002-2006 was first Republican to serve as governor of Alabama since Reconstruction; think about that for a minute; and Rove wanted to get the Republicans entrenched in the state house.
McCain Withheld Controversial Abramoff EmailFeb 25, 2008 … See the Abramoff email below. On the stump, Sen. ….. Sam Stein is the White House correspondent for the Huffington Post. …
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/…..tml–
Note the date on the Abramoff email(which is provided at the end of the article )December,2002.All about the Alabama elections and importance of getting Riley and keeping him as governor of Alabama-also keeping Barbour as gov of Mississippi.
Interesting aside about Susan Ralston, Rove’s assisstant.
She worked for Abramoff before joing the White House team as special assisstant to Rove.
Here’s a few links:
Susan B. Ralston – SourceWatch
Susan Bonzon Ralston, Special Assistant to the President & Assistant to the Senior Advisor Karl Rove, resigned October 6, 2006, “after disclosures that she …
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?…..B._Ralston – Cached – Similar
[PDF] Deposition of Susan Ralston: The Use of RNC E-mail Accounts by …File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
Deposition of Susan B. Ralston. May 10, 2007. Please note the technical and substantive changes to this transcript. Available at http://oversight.house.gov …
oversight.house.gov/documents/20070618105351.pdf – Similar
Connecting the Dots: Abramoff and Rove : Rolling StoneJan 9, 2006 … He chose Susan Ralston, who came highly recommended from a friend: Jack Abramoff. Ralston performed similar duties for the Don of K Street …
http://www.rollingstone.com/…/c…..f_and_rove – Cached – Similar
Did they have to testify under oath?
In reference to “deals” brokered by Kit Bond:
Trip To “Gentleman’s Club” Leads To Guilty Plea For Married Abramoff Crony
By Zachary Roth – November 20, 2008, 5:03PM
The wide-ranging probe into the activities of disgraced GOP lobbyist Jack Abramoff has netted another conviction.
Trevor Blackann, a former aide to two Missouri Republicans, Rep. Roy Blunt and Sen. Kit Bond, pleaded guilty today to making false statements on his tax returns, concealing thousands of dollars in illegal gifts he received from Team Abramoff, reports The Hill.
In return, court filings allege, Blackann got Bond to write a letter of support for someone who wanted a political appointment to the Bureau of Indian Affairs(Excerpt TPM)___________________________
Blackann’s wife worked for Tom Delay,btw.
Which makes me suspect that Leen’s comment @134, where Rove blows off Sen Peter Fitzgerald’s ‘overactive imagination’ and says that he wouldn’t bank with the guy is actually a load of bullshit because Rove needed banks that were sleazy enough to do his money laundering.
I doubt he’s connected up with one of Madoff’s feeder funds, but he’s certainly been using tax workarounds, and some kind of bogus financial structures. How else could he be funding those RNC servers, the astroturfy groups, the bogus polls (designed to make it look as if elections were super-super close, so that we would accept strange outcomes), and political black ops?
Yes, indeed,imho.
But remember, Abramoff(Roves BFF) was sending TONS of Indian Casino money to Isreal..
AND, Merkin ,one of Madoff’s feeder fund mavens. owned a stake in Bank Lemui,of Israel.
I posted a link to a Daily Kos article about Madoff’s Ponzi scheme,on another thread.I’ll repost. Its all about Merkin,Blankfein,Cerberus and the Gabriel Group.
Just in passing, it may be of note to reiterate that the Indian Nations are sovereign to themselves. I don’t know if they have their OWN banking sysytems, but they could,not saying they DO, provide a passthrough to launder a lot of money without any overesight.
Note upthread a “deal” with Kit Bond signing a letter regarding someone wanting to be appoinyted to the BIA.
And oddly enough, the SAME Louisiana tribe that got ripped off by Abramof,just signed a declaration of -or somethinng to that effect-with the nation of Isreal.
@133 – where is Ralston these days, btw?
From Wiki:
Susan Bonzon Ralston (born October 15, 1967), is the President of SBR Enterprises, LLC, a government affairs, public relations and business consulting firm in the United States. SBR helps companies with strategic partnership development, public affairs and public relations activities with a strong background in project management, outreach, coalition building and event management.
Conyer’s remarks about the Kit Bond “deal”:
US attorney
Newly released email shows Rove signed off on deal to remove US attorney
By William H. Freivogel, Special to the Beacon
Posted 10:45 a.m. Wed., Aug. 12 –
A 2005 White House email shows that Karl Rove signed off on a deal under which Sen. Christopher S. “Kit” Bond, R-Mo., won the removal of former U.S. Attorney Todd Graves in return for withdrawing his objections to an Arkansas judicial nominee for the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.
An internal Justice Department investigation had previously tied Bond’s office to Graves’ dismissal. Bond denied personal involvement in removing Graves, a fellow Republican and brother of Rep. Sam Graves, R-Mo. A Bond spokesperson reiterated on Tuesday that Bond was not personally involved.
In releasing the email and thousands of pages of documents, Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., chair of the House Judiciary Committee, said the documents showed Rove’s deep involvement in the dismissal of the U.S. attorneys. “After all the delay and despite all the obfuscation, lies, and spin,” Conyers said, “this basic truth can no longer be denied: Karl Rove and his cohorts at the Bush White House were the driving force behind several of these firings, which were done for improper reasons. Under the Bush regime, honest and well-performing U.S. attorneys were fired for petty patronage, political horsetrading.”
Conyers described the Bond deal this way: “Kansas City U.S. Attorney Todd Graves was removed as part of a White House-brokered deal with U.S. Sen. Kit Bond. In exchange for the administration firing Graves, Sen. Bond agreed to lift his hold on an Arkansas judge nominated to the Eighth Circuit federal appeals court. A White House e-mail stated that ‘Karl is fine’ with the proposal.”
In a statement, Bond’s office said: “Sen. Bond did not know or approve his former staffer’s actions so obviously he didn’t make a deal to have someone dismissed that he didn’t want fired in the first place.”(Excerpt,St. Louis Beacon)
http://www.atlargely.com/atlargely/
Rich Lowry has a whole lot of s’plaining to do…
Not that I think of the National Review as any sort of journalism outlet. The publication is nothing more than an ideological shill platform. But one hopes that even those individuals drowning in the passion of their confused convictions are expressing themselves for the publication and not for, say, an owner at the White House.
Enter Rich Lowry, who was willing to crawl up Karl Rove’s backside by offering his help in “catapulting the propaganda” and Zach Roth tells us all about it:
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Reading parts of those transcripts. How many times are they allowed to say “I don’t recall” Seems like they should get a little shock when they say this and then the current could get increasingly stronger each time they say it.
Call in the torture creators,enablers and executors.
what did you say sir “the current is not allowed to be set that high” Oh I did not read the memos…I did not know
Finished skim of RNC documents from HJC:
RNC#13
Sara Taylor, gwb43.com to Karl Rove, georgewbush.com and Taylor Hughes, who.eop.gov
Alabama NEWS ALERT
fw from Jason Huntsberry
Just spoke with Toby and word is that Former Governor Siegelman (10 counts) and Richard Scrushy (every account) were just convicted. Details to follow…
RNC Research, Democrat Ethics Breakdown flyer
Peter Feaver to Karl Rove, Peter Wehner, Sara Taylor, Aug 21 2006, Interesting post – copy of August 14, 2006 post Incumbent Rule Redux by Mark Blumenthal with comments
AL Gov Poll
Southern Political Report forwarding
GA and AL PBs
“Wake-up call” daily news summary
Kelley McCullough to Scott Jennings, fw of Toby Roth
RE: Hey Feb 10, 2005
“Going well. The Gov’s budget has been a big hit with the hard-line GOP crowd. Hubbert hates it. Let the games begin.
Looks like Twinkle has smooth sailing at Saturday’s party mtg. She has done a good job working the cmte and discouraging possible opposition. She’s got a little issue that Marty left her that she needs to clean up and may try to enlist your help. For the GOP fundraising event later this year, Marty and Sheryl Jennings had lined up Zell Miller. Twinkle, Edgar and Bettye Fine discussed this and agreed this was a bad fit for Alabama since he was Siegelman’s mentor and swore him in back in Jan 99. Also the party is going after conservative Dems to either switch parties or take them out, so Zell seemed to be sending a mixed signal. Any thought on a big name she could bring in for the dinner.
No official decision yet on re-elect — he say he’ll announce something in May after the session is over. I think he’s a go, though he won’t say. We did a statewide tabloid that was inserted in every newspaper in the state detailing the accomplishments of the first two years. Since the campaign paid for it the tag line was “Paid for by Riley for Governor” That was obviously viewed as the strongest indication yet. Call me when you get a chance–I’d like to know your thoughts on some prospects for campaign/strategy talent. Good to hear from you.”
Roth was Gov. Riley’s COS
RNC#14
Targets – 2006
LEAN R/ POTENTIAL LOSS – AL – Riley (49%)
Talking points for judicial appointments
Talking points about “Myths of Judicial Filibuster”
2006 Race tracking slides with White House logo
AL Gov Poll
Sara Taylor fw of Toby Roth “Hey” email to Rove
March 12 2005, Jason Huntsberry reporting shift of polling to favoring Riley over Siegelman but trailing Baxley, asks to change target category to Lead R; Sara Taylor says “Yes”
Guess that’s it; nothing much there.
@152
Daily Kos: MYTHS ABOUT MADOFF’S ”PONZI SCHEME” – Bernie’s Game …Share this on Twitter – MYTHS ABOUT MADOFF’S ”PONZI SCHEME” – Bernie’s Game Wasn’t What They Told You (UPDATED 3X) Tweet this submit to reddit …
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/3/18/81052/2855 – Cached – Similar
Perhaps Rove’s issue not really with Fitzgerald’s bank,but this:
Fitzgerald serves on the Board of Trustees of the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia, which is a museum dedicated to the U.S. Constitution.
Wiki_______________________________________________________
Incidentally, he is not related to Patrick Fitzgerald.
Did Meiers and Rove testify under oath and does it matter?
Q “he is in shorthand a wuss, Mr. Adair says. What do you think he meant by that”
A “I believe he says a cowardly wuss to be appropriate. I think he thinks he would not be a strong U.S. attorney”
AMAZING HOW ROVE CAN SELECTIVELY REMEMBER WHEN HE SO CHOOSES…and seems to get away with it.
Really something that they consider Ward Churchill and Micheal Moore to be “bullies”. Kind of pathetic
According to the agreement, they were under oath and penalty of perjury.
@152
On June 22, 2006 the U.S. Senate Committee on Indian Affairs released its final report on the scandal.
[16] The report states that under the guidance of the Mississippi Choctaw tribe’s planner, Nell Rogers, the tribe agreed to launder money because “Ralph Reed did not want to be paid directly by a tribe with gaming interests.” It also states that Reed used non-profits, including Grover Norquist’s Americans for Tax Reform, as pass-throughs to disguise the origin of the funds, and that “the structure was recommended by Jack Abramoff to accommodate Mr. Reed’s political concerns.”
ABC News reported on November 15, 2006 that Jack Abramoff told prosecutors that Senator Harry Reid (D) requested contributions of $30,000 from Abramoff’s clients and that Reid agreed to assist him in matters concerning Indian casinos.[17]
Wikipedia excerpt,
“Abramoff Indian Casino Scandals”
Shit; meet fan.
But it never has on this.
Rove cannot allow himself to be seen as having participated in creating the list of USA to be terminated. He was involved only as conduit… who passed along feedback. If he is (were to be more heavily involved), his reasons for doing so might expose him to criminal liabilty, or perjury and obstruction in the process of concealing it.
Rove makes opportunities to reaffirm cornerstones of his defense, even when his statements are not responsive to Schiff’s questions …so they seem out of place.
Also Rove interrupts when the questioning is putting him in some sort of exposure. He is eager to establish a safe assertion that shields him from further questioning in a direction he cannot afford, such as when he received a list from DOJ and when he paid attention to it and why it might not have been produced in discovery: If it ever existed, it would be here.
The personal conflict of interrupting gives Rove the confidence to sell the lie. Now if only special councel can prove it.