Compare and Contrast: Two Allegations of Campaign Violence

20081024ashley_todd_160.jpgI spent a good chunk of the day chasing down and then not reporting this story (which was first noted here) and related details about the McCain campaign’s involvement in pushing Ashley Todd’s story. But after chasing the story all day, I think we’d all be better off trying to calm tensions, rather than attacking the McCain campaign (yet) for pushing this story.

First, let’s look carefully at what we know the McCain campaign did (and let me make clear–I’m not ruling out the possibility that they did more than this, I’m just dealing with what we currently have evidence of). First, when called by a local TV station following up on the Drudge story, the campaign told the TV station that the attacker had said, "I’m going to teach you a lesson," and that the letter "B" stood for Barack. In addition, the campaign told the TV station that Palin had called Todd. Note–the station called the campaign, not vice versa. 

John Verrilli, the news director for KDKA in Pittsburgh, told TPM Election Central that McCain’s Pennsylvania campaign communications director gave one of his reporters a detailed version of the attack that included a claim that the alleged attacker said, "You’re with the McCain campaign? I’m going to teach you a lesson."

Verrilli also told TPM that the McCain spokesperson had claimed that the "B" stood for Barack. According to Verrilli, the spokesperson also told KDKA that Sarah Palin had called the victim of the alleged attack, who has since admitted the story was a hoax.

The KDKA reporter had called McCain’s campaign office for details after seeing the story — sans details — teased on Drudge. [my emphasis]

But let’s be clear: the campaign didn’t come up with the claim that the assailant wanted to "teach her a lesson." Todd did. I found numerous examples–like this one–that attribute precisely those words to the police, not the campaign, describing Todd’s allegations.

"He continued to kick and punch her repeatedly and said he would teach her a lesson for supporting John McCain," said police Chief Nate Harper. [my emphasis]

The cops were reporting that line contemporaneously with the rest of the allegations (this story appears to come from the first batch of story reported and printed in the 4PM to 6PM range). So as far as the "teach her a lesson" comment, the campaign was just responding to local press inquiries with the same story the cops were telling to the press at roughly the same time. (I’m less sure whether the campaign interpreted the "B" as meaning Barack or not, because discussions of that have more variance in stories sources to the police.) That’s not to say the cops should have been telling that story, but they were. 

Now, as for the fact that Palin called Todd (other reports indicated that McCain called her too), what do you think Obama would have done, if he believed that one of his campaign volunteers had gotten hurt because of an affiliation with the campaign? In fact, we don’t need to speculate, we can look at what he did do, in the case of  Nancy Takehara, who alleged that someone beat her up while canvassing.

Takehara was encouraged when she had a message waiting at home from the candidate she is fighting for. Takehara called back and she and Senator Obama talked one-on-one.Takehara said, “Senator Obama understood… it was wonderful. It made me feel wonderful. It made me feel connected to this government again.”

At a time when the facts were still unclear about the incident as it pertained to Takehara, before Takehara had even returned home from the canvass, Obama responded to news that one of his campaign staffers was assaulted by calling her. Just as McCain and Palin called Todd.

And for the record, while Takehara’s assailant admits he pulled her hair, there is still disagreement about precisely what happened. Oh–and as with Ashley Todd’s fake story, Takehara did not seek medical care.

On Saturday night in a telephone interview with WISN television, Takehara said “he (Goetsch) grabbed me by the back of the neck. I thought he was going to rip my hair out of my head. He was pounding on my head and screaming.”

Goetsch said he did pull the woman’s hair, but denies hitting or slapping her. Takehara did not seek medical attention at the scene of the incident, Caledonia police said in a Saturday press release.

The big difference, of course, is that Obama’s volunteer’s claim happened to be at least partly true, whereas McCain’s volunteer was making it up. But until we have evidence–which we don’t yet have–that McCain had reason to doubt Todd’s story but pushed it anyway, then I don’t really fault him for calling her. Obama would do the same thing.

A quick note about whether the McCain campaign should have known that Todd’s story was bogus. In the afternoon, the campaign’s statement was

We’re shaken up by this. It’s sick and disgusting.

But then, before midnight last night, the McCain campaign spokesperson–the same one who had been gabbing to the press earlier in the day–got a lot more circumspect (Note, the police source in this story said she didn’t know what the "B" stood for, though as I said, that account varies).

McCain spokesman Peter Feldman confirmed that the woman is a campaign volunteer but declined to comment further.

That’s not definitive–but it suggests between six PM and midnight last night–at about the time the police first started publicly commenting about the inconsistencies in Todd’s story–the McCain campaign reeled in its earlier boisterousness about those claims.  Perhaps in the interim they realized she had no black eyes in real life while in Drudge’s picture she did; perhaps the police just warned them of their concerns. But the McCain campaign appears to have reacted to accumulating evidence that Todd was full of shit. 

Now, the Obama campaign did something in the immediate aftermath of the Takehara incident that the McCain campaign didn’t do. 

The Obama campaign did not want to comment on the incident at this time.

They waited until the following day to give a statement, and they didn’t make any claims about what had had happened to Takehara.

“Last night’s unfortunate incident in Caledonia was isolated and extremely rare, and we are grateful our volunteer is doing well,” said Phil Walczak, Wisconsin communications director for Obama For America. “Thousands of Wisconsinites welcome our canvassers at the doors each and every day and whether or not they support Barack Obama. There is an overwhelming desire across the state to have a dialogue about how to bring our country forward.”

No Drama Obama. 

Mind you, some bloggers have pushed Takehara’s story, just as even more of us pushed the dead baby bear cub story that may have been less incendiary than it first appeared. But the campaign hasn’t–and particularly hasn’t made claims about the facts of either of those incidents. That said, I’m not sure most campaigns would have either the self-restraint or the messaging discipline not to respond to a local press inquiry with the facts as they were currently known. 

I raised what we lefty bloggers have done with two other stories to point out that there are surrogates on the right that the campaign can’t be expected to control. Who sent the pictures of Ashley Todd to Drudge? As far as we know, the state-level campaign didn’t send anything to the local press; they either selectively sent it to Drudge and (potentially) some other righty bloggers–though both Michelle Malkin and Ace of Spades were skeptical of the story. Or, just as likely, someone else sent the photo to Drudge. We don’t know who took Ashley Todd’s fictional story and pushed it out to Drudge, which is how it got picked up by the rest of the media. 

But thus far, at least, we have as much reason to believe it was the College Republicans–ratfuckers way out of their depth–or Ashley Todd herself who sent out the photo, as we have reason to believe the McCain campaign pushed it. 

Don’t get me wrong–what Ashley Todd did was heinous, and I suspect I will follow-up on what it means that some were claiming hers was the new face of the Republican party

But as I researched this all day, I found myself to be less and less outraged about the McCain campaign’s response to this specifically and increasingly outraged over McCain’s response to John Lewis’ rebuke of McCain’s campaign tactics.  As a reminder, Lewis said,

As one who was a victim of violence and hate during the height of the Civil Rights Movement, I am deeply disturbed by the negative tone of the McCain-Palin campaign.  What I am seeing reminds me too much of another destructive period in American history.  Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin are sowing the seeds of hatred and division, and there is no need for this hostility in our political discourse.

During another period, in the not too distant past, there was a governor of the state of Alabama named George Wallace who also became a presidential candidate.  George Wallace never threw a bomb.  He never fired a gun, but he created the climate and the conditions that encouraged vicious attacks against innocent Americans who were simply trying to exercise their constitutional rights.  Because of this atmosphere of hate, four little girls were killed on Sunday morning when a church was bombed in Birmingham, Alabama. 

As public figures with the power to influence and persuade, Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin are playing with fire, and if they are not careful, that fire will consume us all.  They are playing a very dangerous game that disregards the value of the political process and cheapens our entire democracy.  We can do better.  The American people deserve better.

McCain, of course, lashed out at Lewis (and Obama) in response, ignoring his larger message about conditions that encourage things like Ashely Todd’s race-baiting. 

You see, as I researched this today, and concluded that–thus far–we have no evidence yet the McCain campaign did anything more than irresponsibly (but not surprisingly) push details it believed to be true, the part of Lewis’ statement that talked about the "conditions that encourage vicious attacks" resonated more and more. As Scarecrow reminded me with this link today, Lewis’ own history, and that of George Wallace, is a lot more ambivalent and ultimately extended far beyond Wallace’s own violence. At this point, all of us have been thrust into a climate that encourages vicious attacks–and guarantees that vicious race-baiters like Ashley Todd will be guaranteed her 15 minutes of infamy.

McCain’s campaign shouldn’t have confirmed any details of the attack. McCain himself should have made a strong statement condemning Todd’s actions (which he has yet to do). But more importantly, it all goes back to John Lewis’ more important point–that we have to get beyond the climate that fosters this kind of behavior. McCain’s refusal to take real steps to do so remains his biggest error here. 

50 replies
  1. Citizen92 says:

    What you’re looking at is a manifestation of the slimy, slithery and ratfuckingly dirty organiation known as the College Republican National Committee.

    They’re up to old tricks, and Ashley is one of their footsoldiers, fighting their fight.

    I think it’s really important to put the pieces together. The CRNC is running a field program using about 50-60 paid students. They are paid $3,600. They advertised it on their website in March 2008:

    The CRNC Field Program is considered by many College Republicans to be the backbone of the organization because it is intended to assist federations in achieving their purpose: electing Republican candidates.

    The CRNC reports that they still plan on hiring between 45 and 60 field reps depending on the caliber of the applicants.

    They would like to hire 60, however, the CRNC will not “dilute the pool [of field reps] by hiring people who are not qualified…”

    To help ensure that 60 field reps are hired, the CRNC made the following video featuring field director, Will Croswell (use the link)

    That’s where Ashley turned up. On the CRNC’s twitter website. The CRNC’s website called “Life In The Field” – a self described group blog starring the 50 College Republican field representatives as they work across America to win the youth vote. Ashley’s profile has disappered from “Life in the Field.” That website also links to Flickr, YouTube and other profiles that also showcase these 50 operatives work.

    So what can we conclude? We can conclude that Ashley was one of these paid field reps. An employee of the College Republicans. An official.

    Not an “overzealous volunteer.” Yes, technically she was a “volunteer” for the McCain campaign, but she was bought-and-paid for Party help. Kinda like Blackwater.

    Not convinced? Look at Ashley’s YouTube website – http://www.youtube.com/user/crncny

    Guess what? She’s CRNCNY – the College Republicans National Committee New York (representative).

    Then see who links to her site. We’ve got youtube.com/user/crncNM… and crncIL. In other words, all the 50 states.

    Browse around their youtube profiles. See how they are getting out the youth vote. And see how they are turning up at Obama and Biden campaign events and ratfucking.

    It’s all there on video.

    The CRNC has a shady past. Jack Abramoff headed the group in the 80’s. And, to this day, they’re still shaking down the elderly with misleading fundraising mailings.

    • klynn says:

      Thank for your research EW.

      Thanks for your research Citizen92

      Let me add…And encouraging fellow young Republicans to commit voter fraud in Ohio.

      • Citizen92 says:

        The Politico had this item today:

        Coordination between the McCain campaign and Republican National Committee, always uneven, is now nearly dysfunctional, with little high-level contact and intelligence-sharing between the two.

        “There is no communication,” lamented one top Republican. “It drives you crazy.”

        True or false?

        Was this a case of the field operation being entirely disconnected from the McCain campaign – or was there really coordination between the McCain press secretary in Pennsylvania on planting Ashley’s story.

        As for committing voter fraud in Ohio, I’d check out
        http://www.youtube.com/user/crncoh

        Some titles –

        “Undercover at OSU”
        “Training in DC”

        Highlights anyone.

        • klynn says:

          Thanks for the links on the videos. Quite interesting. Funny that some were posted in just the last two days.

          Wonder what the “national” word to the troops on actions for this week and next happened to be?

  2. freepatriot says:

    McCain’s campaign shouldn’t have confirmed any details of the attack. McCain himself should have made a strong statement condemning Todd’s actions (which he has yet to do). But more importantly, it all goes back to John Lewis’ more important point–that we have to get beyond the climate that fosters this kind of behavior. McCain’s refusal to take real steps to do so remains his biggest error here.

    mcsame’s failure to take responsibility for his campaign might be his biggest flaw

  3. WilliamOckham says:

    I tried to make the point about Wallace and McCain here earlier:

    I think John Lewis’s comparison of McCain to George Wallace is dead on. The young’uns around here might not realize that George Wallace was never the angry racist he played on TV. He was just another amoral politician who willing to pander to the racists to gain and hold on to power. If folks like John Lewis got beat to a bloody pulp along the way, well, that was a price Wallace was willing to accept.

    • emptywheel says:

      Glad you raised that–I remember that comment, clearly. Hard to go back and find them, but I think Scarecrow pointed me to that op-ed for the same reason you made that comment.

    • prostratedragon says:

      Absolutely, and thanks, EW, for calling attention to that article, which is excellent.

      It so happens that about an hour ago I heard Bob Edwards interviewing Nicholas Katzenbach who, some might recall, was the DOJ official who delivered the federal court order to the newly-elected Gov. Wallace, ordering him to get out of the doorway to the registration building at U ‘Bama and permit two black students to enroll for the term.

      What struck me in my umpteenth hearing of this too-familiar story was how superfluous Wallace’s actions were, for as Katzenbach reminded, the university chancellor had already expressed a desire to admit the students and continue with the normal functioning of the institution.

      He had not called on the state to provide troops, as he was not expecting a level of disturbance that campus police could not handle. The integration of a long-segregated school would have been a notable event, on its own, but the degree of furor that the nation ultimately had to assimilate from just that one incident was entirely due to Gov. Wallace’s conviction that the path to his political future ran through that university doorway.

      That was a choice that Wallace made, not erased by any horror that he might well have felt over some of the consequences. Perhaps they could have been avoided. Something for Sen. McCain to think about, the more so as it increasingly looks as if he has lost the election —it’s possible to lose much more— and something for us on the other side to remember too —it’s possible to lose while winning.

  4. Hmmm says:

    Such pitiful desperation, to have driven her/them to this. Yesterday I knew for certain “They got nuthin’.” Today I know for certain they got at least ten times as much as nuthin’ as I previously thought.

  5. MrWhy says:

    Thanks EW.

    This article is an example of the thoughtful discourse which led me to membership in the EW fan club. Don’t jump to conclusions too quickly, look for antecedents, put things in context.

    • emptywheel says:

      it’s been a long day, not helped by everyone’s attack on McCain bc of the TPM piece. I’m happy to attack McCain, but this time around I’m not convinced they’ve earned it.

  6. kspena says:

    McCain himself should have made a strong statement condemning Todd’s actions (which he has yet to do). But more importantly, it all goes back to John Lewis’ more important point–that we have to get beyond the climate that fosters this kind of behavior. McCain’s refusal to take real steps to do so remains his biggest error here.

    Eugene Robinson, on Keith’s Show, made an interesting observation: (I paraphrase) If anyone in the McCain campaign pushed this story and does not walk this story back, it reinforces an old message, “The historical context is simple. It is the blood-liable against black men concerning the defilement of the flower of Causian womenhood. It’s been with us for hundreds of years and apparently it’s still with us.” It’s made to order as an attack againt the Obama campaign in the racial atmosphere that the McCain campaign has stirred-up.

    • Sara says:

      “Eugene Robinson, on Keith’s Show, made an interesting observation: (I paraphrase) If anyone in the McCain campaign pushed this story and does not walk this story back, it reinforces an old message, “The historical context is simple. It is the blood-liable against black men concerning the defilement of the flower of Causian womenhood. It’s been with us for hundreds of years and apparently it’s still with us.” It’s made to order as an attack againt the Obama campaign in the racial atmosphere that the McCain campaign has stirred-up.”

      Totally agree with Robinson. I short hand it as an attempted re-make of “Birth of a Nation” — 2008 version.

      And I agree that unless there is clear evidence, tying this to the McCain campaign may not be the way to go. College Republicans are fully funded by the RNC — the graduates of College Republicans include yes, Jack Abramoff and associates, but also Lee Atwater (rip), Grover Nordquist, Karl Rove and many more in this long cast of characters. We find some of the Alumni in the gang that went after Clinton in the 90’s, and we find some of them in the Bush Administration.

      But — but, I am in the midst of reading an utterly fascinating book by a Boston based Pulitizer Prize Winning series — Gary F. Chafetz’s “The Perfect Villain: John McCain and the Demonization of Jack Abramoff” that makes the case McCain went after Abramoff as a means of punishing those who he understood contributed to his primary electorial demise in 2000. In the process, McCain was able to direct much of Jack Abramoff’s clientel to the McCain team lobbiests — in other words, it was also about money. Chafetz gained access to Abramoff in Prison, and acquired much of the E-Mail and other documents McCain’s committee withheld — and the picture emerges that College Republicans (Alumni and current activists) are decidedly not part of McCain’s “gang” — in fact they have long been his enemies.

      I had put Chafetz’s book aside about a week ago, too much campaign stuff and a couple of other books looked attractive (finished Jeff Sharlet’s “The Family, and worked my way through some FDR Economics) — but this story initially struck me as perhaps a strike by the Abramoff-College Republicans on McCain — not just a little mishap. So back to Chafetz — and yep, I think it is a possibility. Vengence by McCain against those he believed responsible for his failure in 2000 — and now a destruction of McCain’s prospects in 2008 as vengence in return for taking out Abramoff, and stealing his clients and his game. Not totally convinced yet — but the rather amature nature of this story strikes me as something designed to fail and designed to be blamed on McCain’s operatives.

      After this Gothic administration, no Drama Obama may allow me to finish reading a lot of books.

      • Ishmael says:

        Interesting insights into the College Republicans – I have been involved in partisan politics since I was a teenager, and it has been brought home to me many times that the camraderie of politics can draw many people and personality types. For all those who are drawn to politics and organized political parties for principled or ideological reasons, there are some who are drawn to the potential for power and money, and still others, perhaps like Ashley Todd, who are drawn to political parties the same way many lonely and insecure people are drawn to cults, and there are those who will exploit these people for their own ends. Some of the most personality-disordered people I have ever met were those I encountered while I was involved with the Young Liberals here in Canada. Happily, some of the most inspiring people I have ever met came from the same group.

      • IntelVet says:

        After this Gothic administration, no Drama Obama may allow me to finish reading a lot of books.

        Thank you for that promising sunbeam, finally breaking through eight years of storm clouds.

  7. stryder says:

    Somehow it just doesn’t seem right to have everyone here relegated to an analysis of petty Rovian tactics.

    “While one who sings with his tongue on fire,
    gargles in the rat race choir,
    Bent out of shape from society’s pliers,
    Cares not to come up any higher,
    But rather get you down into the hole that he’s in”

    But I mean no harm nor put fault
    On anyone that lives in a vault,
    But it’s alright ma if I can’t please him

    • freepatriot says:

      Somehow it just doesn’t seem right to have everyone here relegated to an analysis of petty Rovian tactics

      yeah

      fuck discussing the rovian tactics

      let’s just Rip Her To Shreds

      pop quiz: was debbie singing about Nancy Spungen ??? yes or no

      if ya posted a trash talikin thread in a timely manner, things like this might not happen …

  8. Ishmael says:

    There seems to have been an element of opportunism in both the initial McCain response to the hoax and that of many of the establishment media, who chose to run with the Drudge story as being a story that was too good not to be true. It speaks to a lack of discipline and standards in both the McCain campaign at the lower levels (not uncommon when the wheels are coming off), and in the lack of evidence as to any campaign involvement I don’t think it goes any further than this, although the campaign bears responsibility for creating the conditions in which a “lighted squib” like Todd can become incendiary and explosive. I am more critical of the establishment media and the lack of judgment and editorial control shown by the prominence given to a story that didn’t pass the smell test in many parts of Freeperville. The media is defensively pointing to police statements and the fact that it was Drudge who ‘legitimized” this story. In many ways however, Drudge doesn’t “rule their world”, he – he gives establishment media figures an excuse to discuss the divisive and sensational, he gives the establishment media an excuse to engage in the same incitement that John Lewis warned Palin and McCain against – in their response to this hoax, the media are “…public figures with the power to influence and persuade”, the media is “playing with fire” and “playing a very dangerous game that disregards the value of the political process and cheapens our entire democracy.”

    I am watching Anderson Cooper’s coverage of the Todd story now, and the consensus appears to be that everyone was duped by a person with emotional problems, including the police, and that everyone should just move on, as if this should be an excuse for their lack of judgment. I’m sure that an embarrassed media would like to be able to move on to the next sensational and divisive story that may have a less obviously unreliable protagonist than Ms. Todd, who may be disturbed, a College Republican ratfucker in over her head, or both. Whatever may have been the provenance of this hoax, the hoaxers did not err at all in their estimation of the media’s desire to run with such a story, if not the McCain campaign.

  9. Hmmm says:

    If there is genuine mental illness then Ashley Todd legitimately gets a pass (and deserves to get whatever help she needs). But obviously there was a latent appetite for the story she spun up, and isn’t it curious that there were eager assistants standing ready to help spin it up into a storm — and there lay the pathologies that should most concern us all going forward. Let’s keep the spotlight on those.

  10. Hmmm says:

    College Republicans as Drama Club makes perfect sense. High ability / high quirk people. Think a farm club for Karl-types.

  11. EdwardTeller says:

    leave it to emptywheel to come up with the first thoughtful essay on the handling of Todd information, that takes a step back from this, looks at how another candidate handled a fairly similar situation, comes up with a thoroughly constructed timeline, and humanizes the whole episode.

      • klynn says:

        Did the McC campaign make a statement to the press that both McC and Palin called Ashley or did Palin first make a statement to the press the she called Ashley? I got the impression there was not one statement that they both called. I’ve got to look it up, somewhere, I read about Palin’s call first, in early reports…I hope I’m wrong on this…

        In terms of a timeline this becomes important.

        • emptywheel says:

          It’s all over the map, actually. Some statements reflect just Palin’s call, some reflect just McCains, some reflect both. By 6 PM on Thursday, they had both called, but I can’t pinpoint any closer than that (though not for lack of trying).

          It’s hard because a lot of what we’re reading in stories has more to do with the reporter’s sense of what will be news than what they actually learned (that is,they’ve left some stuff out).

          Given that Palin is more “popular” to the base, and given that she was about to arrive in Pittsburgh, it’s possible reporters chose to report her call but not McCain’s even if they knew both had called.

        • klynn says:

          Given that Palin is more “popular” to the base, and given that she was about to arrive in Pittsburgh, it’s possible reporters chose to report her call but not McCain’s even if they knew both had called.

          That’s got me going hmmm….

          Found this:

          CBS 13 published a report online stating that the Republican candidate for vice president, Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska, “spoke with the victim by phone.” The McCain campaign has issued their own statement about the crime, calling it “sick and disgusting.”

          http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-…..sts?page=4

          The CBS 13 story has been updated to remove the reference about the Palin call and is only reporting a “joint statement”.

  12. bonkers says:

    Ashley, bless her heart, has provided one of the most poetic images of this entire campaign. After the election, that face will stick with us as the perfect summation of the McCain campaign.

    And for added bonus, if you haven’t picked a Halloween costume yet, a little makeup for a black eye and a red backward “B” is all ya need!

  13. jbm1955 says:

    While it was appropriate for McCain and/or Palin to contact Todd, they certainly did not have to tell the press that they did so, which they did very early in the story. In my view, this was “feeding” the story.

    In the article you cite, the press learned about Obama contacting Nancy Takehara from her; and at that time the Obama campaign was still not commenting.

  14. JThomason says:

    Lo and behold thanks to Sarah Palin I think a clear standard for “elitists” is emerging. Could it be those morally depraved suspect folks who are betting on others to fail in their mortgages in the credit default swap markets? Go figure and I thought we were talking about the latte democrats.

  15. JThomason says:

    The point being only someone who held themselves out as being “better than” would look to profit from another’s failure in housing, rather than lending a hand.

  16. TheraP says:

    Certain mental ill individuals are highly susceptible to internalizing the “charged” emotions of a group. My guess is that this woman absorbed the emotions that worried so many of us, that were incited by comments of both mcShame and Palin, that whipped up crowds. This, to me, is the very reason that no responsible leader would incite crowds. Once you’ve whipped up those emotions, you have no control over them. And they can lodge themselves in susceptible and unstable individuals, who lack the means of moderating their own emotions or the emotions of others around them. We’ve all “felt” perhaps how the emotions of others can affect us. But this woman may literally have been “infected” by these highly charged emotions. And she may handle them by acting out. (and as we’ve seen, there’s no predicting “when” the emotions might come out – or how)

    I’d guess that is what occurred here.

    While we cannot hold the mcShame campaign directly responsible, in my view they are indirectly responsible – for inciting their followers to begin with.

    I think this needs to be a lesson to the country. I hope, EW, that your reasoned and “questioning” stance here allows for that kind of discussion. The most unstable individuals are like the weakest links of society – the ones who function like the canary in the coal mine.

    If ever there was a case for national health care and for mental health parity, this is that case!

    (Frankly, we have to wonder if mcShame himself is one of these weakest links. If so, a party in the throws of disintegration, has chosen a mentally unstable candidate.)

    Off to canvas now. Fascinating discussion.

  17. Boston1775 says:

    It is the use of willing women by Republicans that is fascinating.

    Jean Duley
    Ashley Todd
    Michelle Bachman
    Harriet Miers
    Monica Goodling
    Sara Taylor
    Sarah Palin

    They are so completely disposable.

    My working hypothesis about Sarah Palin being deliberately picked to sabotage the hold of the evangelical right on the Republican party is still working. Anyone with a modicum of lab science in a decent high school would pause before uttering disparaging remarks about research with fruit flies. We all did research with fruit flies because of their relevance to other living things and their low cost.

    Sarah Palin’s reference to fruitfly research in Paris, France was written to sound like she just left the set of the Beverly Hillbillies.

    There is research to be done about the way Republicans use women to move their agenda. By the time most of them recognize they have been used, they are compromised so badly that their shelf life has expired. They are shamed into never telling their stories.

    Except for Jill Simpson.
    Karl Rove asked her to spy on Don Siegelman to find evidence of an affair. Humiliating to admit? Possibly. But she is apparently much smarter than they thought.

    I hope we find out the true story of this young College Republican and who put her up to this.

    • Sara says:

      “There is research to be done about the way Republicans use women to move their agenda. By the time most of them recognize they have been used, they are compromised so badly that their shelf life has expired. They are shamed into never telling their stories.”

      It actually works the same way with African Americans, they remain tokens, symbols, and heaven forbid they ever have an independent moment.

  18. Boston1775 says:

    OT – so OT, I have to apologize.

    EW, I’m reading about Mary Pinchot Meyer, a woman who allegedly had a near two year affair with John Kennedy. She ended up murdered a short while after the assassination.

    Much to my surprise was the following quote from Post #20.

    QUOTE
    The Rockefeller Commission issues its final report on CIA abuses, and coverage of the report in the Washington Post mentions an Army scientist who had jumped from a New York hotel room in 1953, days after being slipped LSD . Eric Olson believes this refers to his deceased father Frank. Eric’s family contends that in the final days of his life, Frank Olson became morally distraught over his work and had decided to quit. Personnel records show that Agency officials were concerned that he had become a security risk. Eric Olson begins a crusade to uncover the truth.
    The CIA admits that- as part of an experiment- it had slipped LSD into Frank Olson’s drink at a 1953 private conference, several days before his death. On July 21, President Ford personally apologizes to Frank Olson’s family for an ‘experiment gone awry,’ and promises that the government will reveal everything about the case. Three days later, CIA Director William Colby hands the family previously classified documents. A year later Congress provides the Olsons with a financial settlement of $750,000.
    [NOTE: The Ford administration continues to conceal information about Frank Olson, particularly his role in some of the CIA’s most controversial research of the Cold War: anthrax, Ebola and other biological weapons. White House memos show that two of the key officials involved in squelching information about the Olson affair are White House aide Richard Cheney and Chief of Staff Donald Rumsfeld.

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    The parallels with the current anthrax investigation stunned me.

  19. chrisc says:

    During this campaign, I have been struck by the comparison of McCain and Duke Cunningham. Both have a penchant for crashing jets, womanizing, and short tempers. Both used disdain and contempt as a political tool. The big difference between the two is that McCain married money and Cunningham skimmed his from government contracts.

    One little tidbit of info that I picked up during my obsession with the Cunningham scandal is that Joel Combs, Brent Wilkes nephew who testified against Wilkes at his trial, was the leader of the San Diego County Young Republicans circa 1997. I’m not sure if the Young Republicans were the same group as the College Republicans or perhaps some sort of spin off. Combs posted meeting notices in the paper. During this time, Cunningham was whipping the crowds into an anti-gay, religious right frenzy.

    So do students join College Republicans because they seek advantages for themselves by frenzying the wingnuts or do they learn that after they join?

  20. alank says:

    McCain’s campaign shouldn’t have confirmed any details of the attack. McCain himself should have made a strong statement condemning Todd’s actions (which he has yet to do). But more importantly, it all goes back to John Lewis’ more important point–that we have to get beyond the climate that fosters this kind of behavior. McCain’s refusal to take real steps to do so remains his biggest error here.

    Excellent points, but John McCain hasn’t focused on the bigger picture up to now and most likely never will. However, there is yet time for his campaign to own up, in this particular case. Sufficient time hasn’t elapsed yet, but we should know something fairly definitive within the next day or so. But don’t hold your breath.

  21. masaccio says:

    Glenn Greenwald did a radio interview with Eric Boehlert pointing out that Drudge has had no impact on this election, transcript here. Boehlert thinks that the mindless gotcha Drudge specialty became irrelevant when the economic crisis exploded. Drudge continues to push the gooper lines, but the real journalists are focused on trying to understand credit default swaps, and won’t pick up on slime from Drudge.

    Greenwald disagrees to some extent, pointing out that every time the economic crisis seems to moderate, the MSM runs to horserace chatter and Drudge-like items. He points out that the MSM still worships Drudge because when he links to them, they generate a ton of hits. He and Boehlert point to a loathsome article by Chris Cilliza in the WaPo:

    One article that you pointed to, that I found one of the most repellent articles written in the last couple of months, and that was by Chris Cillizza, who wrote a just definitely worshipful item about the influence of Matt Drudge several weeks ago, and essentially defended Drudge from claims that he’s nothing more than a right-wing hack and a partisan, and depicted him as this sort of Everyman fighting against the awful liberal bias in the media, and that his attempt to launch pro-McCain anti-Obama story lines is nothing more than a desire to battle against the inherent bias in the mainstream press, and not any right-wing agenda. Just absolutely backwards and absurd in ingratiating himself to Drudge, whom he acknowledged he actually studies and reveres.

    I’m with Greenwald. I think the MSM are stupid about financial matters, and are desperate to return to what they do best, gotcha stuff. Years ago, I was securities commissioner when a big bank failed. I got several calls from newspaper business writers, asking me why we weren’t dealing with it, and many other questions indicating a total ignorance of regulatory structures and banking practice.

    There are business writers who are competent, but the politics writers know nothing.

  22. radiofreewill says:

    Let’s just say it – the Republicans – every single one of them – have no Honor left. During the Bush II Era, there hasn’t been any Meaningful Dissent within the Republican Ranks. Bush and the Republicans have acted together as a Monolithic Entity.

    After 8 years of Loyalty – following Bush without question – passing through the Morally Depraved Realms of Torture, Systematic Lying to Profit an Agenda, Spying on Citizens, Constantly Pulling-the-Rug out from under Justice, Defeating Regulation, Closing the Door to Transparency and Evading Accountability – the Republicans Can No Longer Tell Right From Wrong.

    Todd can Lie, and McCain can’t call her on it – the simplest way to explain that would be that they share Loyalty to an Agenda – which, for them, Trumps any claims to Reason, Common Sense or Care for Others.

    So, of course, Todd can charge into the Media wearing a Riff-on-an-Urban-Myth-Suicide-Vest! And, of course, McCain will Signal his Passive Approval. It’s the ‘Wink-and-Nod’ – IOKIYAR – that’s become the Trademark Socio-Political Behavior of the Republicans.

    Todd and McCain, imvho, are symptomatic of the Rot that runs from Bottom to Top in the Republican Party.

    Where there should be Ethical Character, there is, instead, an Ends-Justify-the-Means/But-Don’t-Get-Caught ‘understanding’ between Co-Conspirators to an Agenda of ‘Insider Advancement’ – self interest – that runs on Demonstrations of Loyalty.

    IOW, in the Bush/McCain Republican system, Members ‘Win’ and are Rewarded for Loyalty over Doing the Right Thing.

    Imvho, when Principles – such as those to which the first Republican President, Lincoln, adhered in order to Preserve the Union – Harden into an Agenda that demands Loyalty over Character – such as the Bush/Cheney Model to exclusively benefit the Loyal Bushies – the Cost – the Lying, Cheating, and Stealing – of Going Down that Path is Loss of Honor.

    Todd is young, and possibly unstable. McCain is old and crafty. Neither of them appear to have any Ethical Character, No Honor.

    They’re just two peas in a Loyalty-to-the-Agenda Pod.

  23. Jkat says:

    uhhh.. speaking of violence .. it’s OT ..but related .. have you seen the reports about the death threats ..vile e-mails ..threatening phone calls ..and even a “threat package” that have been aimed at the Ohio Secretary of States office after the SC ruling which suppressed the voter suppression attempts in OH by the GOP’ers .. ???

    waay beyond the pale … imo

  24. Jkat says:

    a loss of honor ..yes .. now add integrity .. intellectual honesty .. ethics .. and the whole laundry list of associated behaviors .. and that’s what the republicans have tossed since 1994 …

    they’re morally bankrupt .. n’ then some .. and i truly believe the larger majority of the american electorate has finally caught on ..

    hell’s a-ridin’ boyz and gals .. and they all know it ..

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