Malevolence In Mississippi
Ill winds have been blowing through the Mississippi political and legal scene for a long time now. There is Trent Lott and his son-in-law Dickie Scruggs. A real soap opera there. Scruggs was a legal legend and one of the biggest, if not the biggest, Democratic donors in the state. Now he has pled guilty and Trent Lott has been implicated in the mess. Then there is the highly disturbing tale of Judge Wes Teel that Scott Horton has been doggedly following. Oh, yes, there was also the political persecution of attorney Paul Minor who, wouldn’t you know, was the other biggest Democratic donor in Mississippi. And, of course, there is the by now famous case of former Alabama Governor Don Siegelman; which, although an Alabama case, has ties to Mississippi. Man, the Delta sure ain’t a safe place for Democratic lawyers, judges and politicians; guess I best stick to the desert here.
The common thread running through all these prosecutions is the selective targeting of Democrats by the hand of the politicized Bush Department of Justice. From Noel Hillman, the former head of the Public Integrity Section at DOJ Main in Washington, to Leura Canary, to Dunn Lampton, to Alice Martin. All Bush appointed prosecutorial political attack dogs. All tied to Karl Rove. By the way, if you are not familiar with all these stories, do click and read the links, you will find fantastic tales.
Oops, did I forget to mention the attempted take down of Mississippi Supreme Court Judge Oliver Diaz in the same situation that involved Paul Minor? Well, Judge Diaz and the Mississippi Malevolence is back in the news today. Turns out that when you are a centrist or progressive Supreme Court Judge in Mississippi (Diaz, by the way, was originally a Republican, but he was fair minded, and thus shifted), if the Right Wing hit squads can’t persecute you into prison, they simply prevent you from discharging your judicial duties and exercising your judicial discretion.
A jaw dropping report out today in the Northeast Mississippi Daily Journal:
Something unusual happened Thursday at the Mississippi Supreme Court.
It may be the first time a majority of the justices voted to prohibit a colleague from publishing a dissent in a case.
In other words, Presiding Justice Oliver Diaz of Ocean Springs disagreed with a court decision and wanted to write about it. His fellow judges said, no, he couldn’t and they apparently stopped the court clerk from filing Diaz’s statement into the record.
Diaz’s document also wasn’t made available to the public, as every other order and dissent are.
"My job as a Supreme Court justice is to write opinions and dissents, when necessary," Diaz said later Thursday. "I was prevented from doing so by a majority of the court."
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Banning a justice from publishing his dissent is highly unusual, said a former state judge, who asked not to be identified.Diaz speculates it "may be unprecedented in the history of American jurisprudence."
"I don’t know of any instance this has happened," said the judge with Supreme Court experience.
Oxford attorney Tom Freeland IV was not so circumspect with his reaction:
"I have been following the Mississippi Supreme Court closely for 25 years and I have never heard of such a thing," he said Thursday.
A look at Diaz’s dissent shows he argues the error of the court’s decision that the statute of limitations for wrongful death lawsuits begins at the time of the injury, not on the date of death.
"The obvious result is that a wrongful death action may expire before the decedent does.
"This judicially created rule is without foundation, and frankly, absurd," he adds in his seven-page document provided to the Daily Journal.
What is the background of the case the decision related to? The case at issue was a wrongful death lawsuit filed by an employee of the court against the Mississippi State Veterans Affairs Board. What the majority of the Mississippi Supreme Court, and they are all elected and extremely right wing Republicans, was doing is establishing supreme court precedence for the Republican tort reform lobby’s wet dream of having the statute of limitations for a wrongful death action start to run on the date of the initial injury. Even if the victim isn’t dead yet. And there you have it. Make a craven decision and prohibit any dissent; even by a fellow judge. Lovely.
UPDATE: rOTL in comments catches a case that I had pulled up and intended to include in this post and negligently forgot. It involves the patina of dirt and corruption that yet another Bush appointed US Attorney is maliciously trying to apply to former Mississippi Governor Ronnie Musgrove, who is making a very strong challenge for Trent Lotts’s old Senate seat this election, a seat that the Republicans are literally desperate to hold onto. From an op-ed in the local newspaper, the Greenwood Commonwealth, the paper’s editor relates:
When the Democrats and their attorneys began claiming last year that the Bush administration was using its prosecutorial might to target opposition candidates and their major financial supporters, I greeted the allegation with a skeptical eye.
I’m not so sure anymore.
This past week’s developments in the four-year-old investigation into the failed Mississippi Beef Processors plant seem timed to help derail Democrat Ronnie Musgrove’s bid to snatch one of the state’s two U.S. Senate seats from Republican hands.
Three Georgia businessmen, one by one over the course of four days, entered guilty pleas to federal charges arising out of the Yalobusha County beef plant’s quick and costly demise.
The three, all executives with The Facility Group of Smyrna, Ga., were largely left off the hook on the more serious charges that they had swindled the state out of at least $2 million and had left the plant’s vendors and contractors holding the bag.
Instead, they were allowed in a plea bargain to confess to trying to buy influence with Musgrove by steering $25,000 to the then-governor’s unsuccessful re-election campaign in 2003.
The orchestrated guilty pleas — and the prosecutors’ suggestion that more indictments could be forthcoming — are a boon to the campaign of Republican Roger Wicker, who was appointed to the vacant Senate seat in December but is considered vulnerable. They leave a cloud over Musgrove in voters’ minds and provide more fodder for negative campaign ads from the GOP camp, even though Musgrove has not been charged with any wrongdoing and there’s nothing in the court records to document he did anything illegal.
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Musgrove, though, was at most a minor player in the mess.Yet the efforts to link him publicly to the corruption scandal — using the combined power of the federal prosecutors and a Republican state auditor — have intensified since Musgrove announced his intentions to challenge Wicker for the Senate seat.
The conspiracy theorists see a pattern. They cite the unrelated bribery convictions of Democratic former Alabama Gov. Don Siegelman and Mississippi trial lawyer Paul Minor, a major donor to Democratic candidates, as earlier proof that political affiliation is determining who gets investigated and prosecuted by the Justice Department. That allegation is being looked at by congressional panels even while both convictions are on appeal.
The hand chosen Republican candidate, Wicker, has a powerful ally in the form of the US Attorney handling the matter, Jim Greenlee, who is a prior donor to Wicker’s congressional campaign. As Scott Horton notes:
In his speech last week to the American Bar Association, Attorney General Mukasey delivered this promise:
If anyone… is found to be handling or deciding cases based on politics, and not based on what the law and facts require, there will be a swift and unambiguous response.
The developments in Mississippi show exactly what Mukasey’s promise is worth.
No kidding.
Until this travesty of justice can be corrected, can’t Diaz publish his dissent elsewhere, in some public place?
Bob in HI
Bizarre and ridiculous, but what’s the point? Does it serve some legal purpose? Surely the dissent will come out (the paper has a copy already). Hey, should we offer to host it here?
Oh, it will be all over the place I am sure. In that regard, it is almost a stupid story; so much so that I debated whether to write it. It will likely be inconsequential in the long run, but it is so totally outrageous, and the cesspool there in Mississippi so deep, that I couldn’t resist. Simply amazing.
So…. the duly elected judge — elected by the people of Mississippi presumably so that makes decisions and then explains them in writing (referencing all the legal issues as well as relevant cases) is now NOT ABLE to publish the very things that the citizens elected him to do?!
Isn’t this kind of like saying the other Mississippi Supremes could vote that:
– Mississippi cops can’t write citations for speeders (because the Supremes say they can’t)?
– Mississippi teachers can’t write student report cards (because the Supremes say they can’t)?
Wow!
What if the Mississippi Supremes take it upon themselves to rule that the Mississippi tax auditors can’t write records of taxable revenue for the state?
Or what if the Mississippi Supremes rule that Mississippi city clerks can’t write down the minutes of city council meetings?
Am I missing something here…?
Cause it can’t be this blatantly looney…. or can it?
Does the judge have a right of appeal? Does the Mississippi Supreme Court have the right to prohibit the filing of a dissent?
Sort of like polling the jurors when a verdict is rendered, and ignoring a juror who doesn’t agree with the majority. Not really, but thought I’d say it anyway.
I’m glad you chose to post this. Thanks as always.
The point is, without being officially filed and published, the dissent is a legal non-entity. It cannot be cited and is not part of the record on any further (like to the US Supreme Court) appeal.
Actually, it’s the non-filing that makes it really a nullity. People cite unpublished opinions all the time, but if it isn’t filed, it isn’t an opinion.
I’ll wager the whole thing was based on ego. The majority felt like they were being insulted. Amazing how a guilty conscience will make you feel.
It is not “unprecedented”, in the sense that the gambit has been tried before. The Michigan Supreme Court (Republican-dominated), a year or two ago, tried to institute a rule prohibiting dissents, but it came acropper somehow. And, in Florida, an appellate judge is in ethical trouble over what he wrote in an opinion – something about his colleagues throwing a case.
This is Republicanism at work, friends.
No doubt Mussolini, Hitler, Lenin, and Mao would be envious.
Dissention?
We ain’t got no dissention here.
Mamma mia…!
Judge Diaz could publish his decision many places, but it won’t have the status of a dissenting opinion in a state supreme court’s judicial decision. It would be like publishing a law review article; it wouldn’t have the same weight. It wouldn’t be caught by researching “opinions”; it would be available, but harder to find.
This tells you clearly how openly partisan the judiciary is in a state run by Haley Barbour, “formerly” head of his own lobbying firm in Washington, DC, but to which he returns monthly by private jet and secure limo, just for shits and giggles, not to actually run the thing or count his pieces of silver, mind. Who pays for that deluxe travel? Who knows.
Like rats: when you hear one, there are a hundred; when you see one, a thousand. These guys are jumping up and down in the spotlight, shouting from the rooftops, “I’m for sale! What am I bid?”
Let there be free speech on the MS supreme court judicial bench. I always wondered how Hamilton won Zenger’s case with the Jury nullification ploy. Now there is judge nullification. Maybe the MS silencing majority will vote to take back the dissenting opinion’s author’s pay for the time he sat listening to argument and authoring the dissent.
Add to this the Tarrasco case in Northern Mississippi Federal Court, where Tarrasco, a well-established, legal immigrant from South America, formed a construction company and was awarded work on certain federal bridge construction projects. Unfortunately for Tarrasco, some of his employees were illegal immigrants who used false social secuirty numbers. However, instead of prosecuting Tarrasco under an illegal immigration violation, the case was brought in the N.D. Mississippi under a TERRORISM STATUTE. The thinking behind this is that since these people are illegal, they are more susceptible to being bribed or blackmailed by terrorists into sabotaging our nation’s infrastructure. The case was brought in Mississippi, depite the choice of other venues by the feds.
Wow. Just…wow.
http://www.harpers.org/archive…..c-90003444
More Prosecutorial Mischief in Mississippi
bmaz, I hadn’t checked out Harper’s website for several days, but this link is very much on topic.
Thanks for that. I saw that earlier and, yet, somehow forgot to include that in the post. Thanks for reminding me. I have done a substantial update to include the material.
An interesting blog that follows Mississippi law/lics (and much other stuff as well) is folo and here was the post there about Diaz
http://www.folo.us/2008/08/22/…..literally/
If you cruise through the comments, several commenters are lawyers (one “wrote the book” on Mississippi sols )
Looking at the recent posts there made me remember that Biden was supposedly linked in with the Scruggs/Lott fiascos in some way. If he is on Obama’s short list. I’m not sure why, with a Senate that is already completely unable to function at all unless it has 95% Democrats, the existing Dem Senator is going to pull another one out of service as a running mate, but that seems to be odds on to happen.
Unbunch your underwear about the possible loss of a Dem Senator in Delaware. Biden can run for both offices, be sworn in as Senator and resign when Congress convenes, and the Democratic governor of Delaware will appoint a Senator who will run again in 2010.
It’s them danged “activist judges”.
The dissent from Diaz is available here, from folo.us.
This is a pdf.
bmaz, you might want to send this to Marcy…
It’s well researched with plenty of foot notes, too…!
Would anybody have standing to sue to prevent the Court from, at least in future, forbidding the filing of dissenting opinions? For example, could a Mississippi citizen claim standing by saying that they had been materially affected by what happened? I’m not sure exactly whom/what the defendant would be, nor what cause of action would be — fortunately we seem to have quite a few real lawyers in the house who might be able to help out with that? — but I’m thinking some form of declarative relief.
OT — McCain fake anthrax letters solved:
I guess I am confused. Is this kind of vote specific to Mississippi? Is it peculiar to states in general? Or does it mean that the US Supreme Court in, say, the matter of Bush v. Gore could have voted to keep dissenting opinions unpublished? On what basis can the court muzzle dissents? I mean, every time I think the bottom is in sight. . . .
Scribe @5 above had two analogous occurrences; but I have never, ever, heard of anything like this. It blew me away. Blew me away in two different regards actually; one that the majority judges would even contemplate something so contrary to the judicial ethic; and two that they actually thought it was a winning idea, crikey this only guaranteed that the whole deal would get more attention than ever.
It does suggest a strong sense of entitlement.
They just want to make sure your aware of the fact that the game is rigged and won’t be throwing any pre 911 idealogical horseshit around and thinking that the ladder of the law has no top or bottom and everthing is equally handled
There is some interesting theory on how judges get onto the bench, for example this 2007 paper by a prof from IN U Bloomington which examines regional atmospheric comparisons. Part of the vitiation of the DoJ oversight of the permission slips rules for redistricting might affect bench composition in some of those states. Another interesting review is this amici brief in the Bartlett case Scotus 07-689, which examines the dynamic of gerrymanders with respect to minorities which are only slightly below the threshold 1/2 majority-minority demarcation.
Mississippi is such a great state, we can always count on it to be at the bottom on any imaginable scale.
This is the delta country, which during, say, Andrew Jackson’s time was the cotton production center of the world,and that spells wealth. Landowners controlled the votes of their tenants and the labor pool was captive. There wasn’t so much democracy there as coalition politics. Doesn’t seem much has changed.
Hey, don’t be messin with Andy Jackson, that is my great great uncle. Might have to challenge you to a duel or something….
Put down that pistol boy, y’might hurt yerself. I wasn’t talking about “Andy”, but of his time, and the place of the current action on the bench. It also was coordinated with my earlier remark about a sense of entitlement. Reminds me of when I heard about the Democratic candidate for pres, back in ‘92. While in the govenor’s residence, had the sense of entitlement to send a state trooper to “escort” a government clerical employee to come up for a “visit”. What ensued when this hit the papers was a furor about sexuality and infidelity. Not muc said about the misappropriation of power that it all entailed. When I read you post, I mused about the political context that allows such outrages to occur.
I grew up in Jacksonville FL, where Andy is a local hero (amongst those whe never heard of the Cherokee, and that hike over to OK).
Heh, it appears to be an enduring family trait that with the good comes the bad, and the whole is a very mixed bag. Whatta ya gonna do, its in the genes….
Well look on the bright side. We may have to live with our ancestral heritage, but we’re not responsible for it. Consider the current offspring of the Nazis. And I’m not much for blaming the genes; its more on the sociocultural environment,IMHO.
If you’re saying he comes from a bad family, I’m likin’ the reasoning.
Now cut that out! I didn’t say any such thing, an don’t know a thing about his “family”. He does say he’s tight with the Kemper Marley group, and hangs with Cindy, and now is threatenin’ me with a “duel”. I need to stay on his good side, you see, so don’t go stirrin’ up stuff.
Heh, I meant W’s family, not bmaz’ family.
Huh?
Not to belabor it, but since you asked, you said:
Which I took as a slightly veiled reference to the Bush family. It fits if you think of W as a product of a culturally bad home environment, and… Oh, just never mind.
Point taken. It could be a veiled reference to anyone. I understand that although wealthy enough to live a life free of any need for a job, the Kennedy family somehow “foisted” upon their brood the concept of service to the public good. Some other wealthy families seem to have other priorities. Just saying that the genes don’t do it. Could be a bumper sticker:”Genes don’t teach people, environments do”.
bmaz, these Southern Boys almost make Joke seems tame in comparison. Some nasty sh*t.
Mississippi underwent great changes resulting from the civil rights movement, due to those who put everything on the line and to those from Mississippi and from elsewhere who pitched in to help. The old blanket stereotypes need to go. Look at the increases in voting participation and in running for office, often successfully, by persons of color. Of course there are towns and enclaves that seem almost straight out of Jim Crow days; every state has places that are havens of xenophobia and bigotry.
Mississippi, like most of the South/Sun Belt, has been significantly affected by the influx of business and industry from other parts of the country, with which came much of their workforces. Generous incentives offered by state and local governments and the attractiveness of available inexpensive, union-wary labor have influenced corporations from other regions and from abroad to move to the South/Sun Belt. Many relocating executives and employees were already Republicans, and due in considerable part to some of them being persons of economic (and subsequently political) power and influence, many former Democrats have been won over. Children who grow up to become voters in Republican-dominated places, like children everywhere, are influenced by their environments. The pickings for winner-take-all Republican blitz-ers have been bountiful.
So, is it politically correct to refer to our lock on the pasty-faced white boy vote?
For what the polls are worth, about 20% of the electorate will be voting out of pure ignorance and racial prejudice. The remainder of the voting percentage voting out of pure ignorance and impulse is considerably higher and the vast majority of the rest of the vote. NY Magazine last week did a good job of nailing it.
NY Magazine: The Welcome to Racist US Issue
And now we can look for ward to The Clintons of Chappaqua or The Hill Bill Show
The Court has released the dissenting opinion now.
Actually the Clerk just emailed it out, nothing there says it’s been filed per se — just released.
msnbc.com now reporting that Obama’s not yet made a decision on VP.
Meanwhile, Steve Clemons at The Washington Note just announced that it’s Biden, and Clemons seems to be thrilled at the news.
Heartening.
How’s McCain gonna go after Obama for a ‘lack of foreign policy experience’ when Biden’s his VP? Heh ;-))))
Wow… the contrast between Joe Biden and Dick Cheney just kind of makes the mind boggle.
Hope the OT is tolerated on this joyous occasion.
Also, I’m counting on Steve Clemons to have the accurate info ;-))
(Weird, but I feel an odd sense of relief at the very notion that Biden’s 30+ years of experience, plus working relationships with Levin, et al, could actually be at the helm… very calming thought. But I await the ‘verdicts’ of EW, bmaz, EOH, alabama, JohnL, MadDogs, LabDancer, and those more versed in this than I am.)
Steve Clemons breaks the news: http://www.thewashingtonnote.c…..ard_it_he/
(Google not yet reporting it on their summaries, which is interesting.)
And Steve Clemons linking to a site following a chartered airplane Illinois-Delaware:
http://www.thewashingtonnote.c…..s_now_not/
(How do I love the Internet; let me count the ways… including online airplane tracking
Assuming that Clemons wouldn’t make a fool of himself publishing incorrect info about this topic… and no, Biden isn’t perfect. I don’t care.
He’s not Dick Cheney!!!
Also, what’s McCain going to say about Biden’s experience…?
(Skipping off in gleeful joy….)
Not so sure you’re going to be so ecstatic about Biden when you find out more of what is in that 30 years of foreign policy. Wait til you see what his policies are, for example his ties to the current/recent ballyhoo in The Republic of Georgia.
Oh, I long ago gave up the hope of perfection. I figure no one lasts in DC without a pretty good ability to horse trade and cut deals. Perfection ain’t in the cards.
But I don’t believe he’s as reckless as Cheney, nor do I believe that he’d deliberately set up a ’secret government’ a la OSP inside the DoD, nor do I think that Biden would set up a shop inside DoS the way that Cheney set up Bolton’s shop.
Nor do I believe that Biden would tolerate hiring a Scooter Libby, a Larry Franklin, an Addington, a John Yoo….
I figure that a certain amount of sleaze and disagreeable info comes with the territory. But so what?
Does Biden seem to be deeply engaged by foreign policy questions? Yes. Does he have years of contacts and expertise? Yes. Has he been a CEO at Halliburton? No. Is he going to bring in Rummy at DoD? No.
Perfect ain’t gonna happen.
I don’t feel compelled to swoon, but Obama could have selected any number of people with less expertise, and/or fewer contacts. The fact that Obama selected someone of Biden’s age and experience is encouraging.
Perfect isn’t going to happen.
But Biden has wit, which should be fun to watch.
And he’s been in DC long enough to know where a whole lot of bodies are buried. It’s all good.
Biden despised everything that Cheney and Addington and Rove orchestrated and was never shy about saying so.
I think we’ll not only have fun watching him in this campaign, but he will land the punches that need landing and instead of being old tired Washington, I think Biden brings experience onto that ticket in a lot of areas.
I see his wiki is already updated announcing he is the VP candidate. I think he can apply what he has learned in the Senate since January 1973. 35 years is a long time to have been there.
He dispised it as well.
Anyone can update a wiki.
Yes, but anyone cannot update the 3 spinoffs of wiki that are now up and running and you’re free to use. I linked them a couple weeks ago.
One of the best sources of information if you had the time or on a subject that piques your interest are the areas of wikipedia where debates take place on disputed “facts.”
Wikipedia, Meet Knol
Well, IMHO it’s encouraging news.
I realize that people will argue and I can understand the likelihood that Biden will be slammed as an insider. I was very surprised to learn on my late-night searches that Biden **never** purchased a house in D.C. (!). I suppose if he was reasonably self-disciplined, he got in a lot of homework and/or meeting time on his 80 minute train rides (each way!) daily down to D.C.
No doubt the GOP Rovians will be waiting to smear Biden.
I’m really just kind of ready for the Dems to stop being too worked up about the rotten-to-the-core GOP and just enjoy the campaign — enjoy the corn dogs and the bands and the chili and the energy of people wanting change.
But I’m still in agreement with WO: long term change, and prosecuting the war criminals, will have to come from ‘us’ citizens. Nevertheless, I hope that both Obama and Biden get an earful from now through November that this is high on our agenda for 2009.
Okay, last comment.
But I just get the giggles with a little fantasy that the GOP Savimbi-enablers around McCain (Charlie Black, Sheunemann) must be p*ssed at having to figure out how to claim that Obama and the Dems lack foreign policy experience. Enter the Chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee (dum-de-dum-dum-dummmmmm…)
God, this could get fun… here’s hoping we get in a lot of good laughs and howls of glee watching McCain and the Rovians claim that the Dems don’t understand these very complex, complicated foreign policy issues…
Now, paging Gen. Wesley Clark to the Democratic Convention, please…
So they take a look at people who contributed to Musgrove’s campaign,accessing bank accounts and tax records of all contributors, without cause, and discover that these Facility Group guys had bilked the feds out of 2 mil and get them to plea to paying 25,000 to Musgrove’s campaign for influence in something for the lesser charge.Then they approach musgrove and tell him if he runs against Wicker the’ll implicate him in the mess.
I’m suprised they didn’t threaten to disappear his family
Jesus Christ by the time you disprove it the election will be over and the acquittal will be printed in the obituaires
Politics is the work of the devil
I disagree.
Politics, like music, is human.
Chimps, donkeys, frogs, and rats don’t have politics.
They can’t make laws.
They can’t negotiate differences.
They don’t know how to make treaties.
Politics is the work of making a system where people can live in relative sanity and all be better off by following shared customs and laws. In and of itself, there’s nothing venal about it.
In the hands of egoists, extremists, the emotionally unbalanced, or the just plain stupid, politics becomes dangerous. But that’s not because politics is inherently bad; it’s our shared responsibility to ensure that it doesn’t fall into the hands of those who would use it as a bludgeon, rather than as a scalpel.
Politics can make life better.
We just need more emotional healthy, witty, creative, resilient people in politics. Then we’d see things improve.
(Not that I have any opinions about the topic.. ;-))
I really believe Biden will be a big asset for Obama. He can start calling the bullshit on McCain that the FDL bloggers, Bmaz and here have been capable of doing.
I saw that Jeralyn Merritt has reservations on some of Biden’s criminal stances. My heart would always be with Jeralyn’s long criminal defense work, and her contributions to the defense bar although I hated it when her blog went 3000% for Hillary, but I don’t see Biden as a villian in the Senate towards defense equanimity at all.
He spoke out against executing the mentally retarded, something that is a specialty in the state of texas where evidence and juries and judges leave much to be desired in so many instances and they have been attacked consistently by the Supreme Court on many occasions.
He voted against one bill that damn few Senators can say they did–Number: H.R. 6304 (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 Amendments Act of 2008. I see 28 nays in the FISA vote summary
McCain did not vote but would have voted for it of course. The nays are at the end of this comment. I think a huge plus is that Biden will put some red meet in the debate from now on as McCain tries to seek refuge with every screwup in his service record. And if his Rovesters want to go Tony Rezco, we can do a very good job of exposing the Keating affair for what it was.
I think Biden is a bright development and Obama needs to do the things Bmaz expressed with a lot of clarity and insight the other night, and I think Biden will help him.
I know who has contributed to him over the years, and of course his voting record will now hit the microscope for examination. But I have looked up enough of McCain’s voting record during the Bush administration and that picture of him hugging Bush is an apt metaphor for it.
As far as I’m concerned, it’s McCain who hasn’t really been profiled/vetted in this electikon, and I think Biden can help do that. The media has been asleep at the switch on McCain, and he can help wake them up.
I just don’t know enough about the rest of the short list to make an intelligent argument about the pluses and minuses of the short list and honestly, I never heard of the representative from Texas that was a last minute add-in for 2 days as a long shot–Chet Edwards until he popped up just now.
Yes, Biden voted against FISA.
He was also big cheeleader… many photo ops w/Junior, on buildup to Iraq invasion. He also voted for Bankruptcy bill… a sop to monied financial lobbying. That bill, AFAIC was a monstrocity.
I do agree, however, Biden does do his homework (at least compared to average lawmaker) as does know Iraq/ME realities.
IMO, if Obama wanted an ME wonk General Clark would’ve been better: Clark’s been right on Iraq from the git-go, has a very strong track record of knowing what he’s doing (and doing it well), is ex-repub in good standing, speaks with conviction and in my view has demonstrated high integrity since he arrived in the public’s eye. He makes less gaffs than Biden, and would be harder for repug hitmen to compromise.
But then, Obama didn’t ask me so…
Nays for the final FISA vote in the Senate:
NAYs —28
Akaka (D-HI)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Clinton (D-NY)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Harkin (D-IA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Murray (D-WA)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schumer (D-NY)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Tester (D-MT)
Wyden (D-OR)
Not Voting – 3
Kennedy (D-MA)
McCain (R-AZ)
Sessions (R-AL)
In the beginning Biden started commuting as you probably know because shortly after he got into the Senate, his wife and two daughters were killed in a car wreck and his 2 sons were badly injured and he commutted to take care of his sons.
One of them Bo, AG of Delaware, is scheduled to deploy to Iraq soon.
From Col. Pat Lang’s blog entry, Obama’s VP PIck (written yesterday before the announcement):
Barack Obama has not yet announced his preference for a vice-presidential candidate. I think he would be wise to choose Hillary Clinton. If he does not choose her, then Joseph Biden would be the best choice. The other two possibilities, Kaine and Bayh are capable men but I do not think that they would fulfill the role of “attack dog” against McCain…
Obama is not a man equipped to engage in a battle of competing ugliness. He has spent his life becoming what he is and that is not what is needed to defeat the memeticists. What is needed is someone to stand toe to toe with McCain with equal force and a greater wit to push him back rhetorically and announce to the world that he has feet of clay. McCain’s narrative has many chapters that have not been brought forcefully to the fore. Hillary would do that with style. Joe Biden with a sledge hammer.
Good morning, Marie and bmaz and everybody.
For what it’s worth, and from a long distance: Biden registers here as a very effective speaker. Obama does as well, but as a speaker of a very different kind. People tell me that Biden can sometimes run on and on, but when I’ve watched him, he’s been very snappy and clear in his delivery, and that is maybe what is needed.
And besides, he’s cute. Don’t laugh: I’m not as old as he is but I’m getting there, and you want to know that my cohort of females think that he’s cute.
Good morning, skdadl. Was not aware of the cute factor but hey, let’s factor it in.
I happen to like Biden’s style of speaking also, & Pat Lang’s description of him using a sledge hammer on McCain’s plaster saint image is certainly appealing @ this point.
Sat. night GTMO post over @ pogge coming up this eve, yes?
Oh, yes, Marie. Last week I was original, but this week I’m just stealing from bmaz and Valtin and Meteor Blades. I give credit, though; I always give credit.
Looking forward to it, then, & last’s wk’s installment was excellent.
And if you’re going to crib, crib from the best, I always say.
You mean I get Saturday night off again? Cool!
What on earth are you doing here? Oh, help. Someone outed me. My boss is reading me.
PS: I should reassure people that I was just joking. It’s true, though, that I just never know where teh boss is going to pop up.
So, you are saying now would not be a good time to recount all the things you have said? Heh heh.
Here is my favorite You Tube from the last 24 hours:
Helping McCain Count His Houses
I shall return with new gruel soon!
Great soundtrack with that one ;-))
skdadl @ 74?:
Ah… now THAT’s the clear thought I’ve been groping my way toward all these years… Actually, K-k-k-karl can make ‘em laugh — AT him (see ‘M.C. Rove YouTube). But his humor, like Bush’s, has always struck me more as a tool to intimidate than a genuine enjoyment of life’s absurdities.
I hope Biden enjoys the hell out of the next few months and comes out skewering left, right, and center.
Although it’s asking a lot for him to match massachio’s “pasty-faced white boy” line ;-))
Thanks for the you tube. Biden, Clinton, Dodd, and Obama were hot on the campaign trail and were absent from the vote to confirm Mukasey. Bayh of course–who votes with Bush nearly all the time voted to confirm Mukasey. I don’t think Bayh deserves to be in the Senate nor in government period. He’s a desultory Bush licking democrat so I’m glad his bland do not much of nothing ass is out.
Bayh reminds me of Leiberman.
Besides Schumer and Feinstein, Democrats voting to confirm Mukasey were: Sens. Evan Bayh of Indiana, Tom Carper of Delaware, Mary Landrieu of Louisiana and Ben Nelson of Nebraska. Of the Senate’s two independents, Joe Lieberman of Connecticut voted for confirmation and Bernie Sanders of Vermont voted against.
Every Senator who voted for Mukasey passes the Litmus test for being a great Bushie. They’ve given Bush, Cheney and Addington everything they wanted. It has a name and it’s not comity–it’s called being a worthless chickenshit.
Lousy speller before coffee kicks in- last not last’s. Time to go grind some more beans & brew a potful. BBL.
Well, FWIW, Pat Lang carries a lot of water for shaping my views. If he thinks Biden would be good, that’s very encouraging. And I completely agree with him that McCain’s campaign comes right out of the GOP view of ‘campaign politics = marketing, relying on creating a constant series of memes like ‘argula eating Dems’ (which are then tossed like red meat to the MSM every 3 hours or so).
Biden may be a ’sledge hammer’, but my own hope is that the Dems will take a hint from Jon Stewart’s success and expose McCain and the GOP Mafia with zesty humor from now through November. Heaven only knows they have a wealth of material!
skdadl, great YouTube clip ;-))
Your next Veep chats with Mumbles.
Sorry to carry on the drift, but I thought that was good stuff.
Given the significance of the VP news, I hope that bmaz will indulge another Biden-related comment.
skdadl, here’s a wonderfully funny Joe Biden take-down of Rudy Guiliani’s caterwauling about the ‘weak’ Dems. Enjoy: http://www.prospect.org/csnc/b….._for_biden
It would be great if MSNBC and CNN got more than 3 pictures of Biden that they’ve shown about 15 times per hour. I can only take so much of anyone hugging Condi Rice. It qualifies as soft political porn, and I don’t have that much parenteral phenergan at home.
Damn Biden even has more experience than Rove political hack Scarborough and Buchanan who haven’t approved anything Obama has done since he took a breath and was 8 years old when Ayres was a Weatherman.
If Scarborough knew at a grade school level how to look up Senate legislation, he might find what Obama passed, and if Brezinski knew how to spell Senate or google she might find it.
If Mica can be on TV, anything can.
then there’s this,
http://tpmelectioncentral.talk…..n_airs.php
Pffffttttt… if that’s the best the McCain-GOP-lobbyist crowd can come up with, they’re in really big trouble.
What a great opening for Biden’s wit ;-))
Wit in high places. Wow. Wouldn’t that be nice? I think I’ve been missing it since JFK and Pierre Trudeau left us. (Not that I approved of either entirely, but gosh, you never know what you’ve got till it’s gone, eh?)
Not that I’m trying to interfere with your elections or anything, but if I were an Obama strategerist, I would figure out a way for Obama to introduce Biden as an “articulate and bright and clean and … nice-looking guy,” which should get a laugh and also defuse one of the sillier things that has ever fallen out of Biden’s mouth.
One trick that Rove never mastered, methinks: how to make ‘em laugh. Best trick of all.
Thanx for all the Biden youtubes, folks. Welcome reminders of the wit & wisdom (& big sharp bite) of Joe Biden.
Have to go over to office for rest of the morning; hopefully w/be back in time to see the Obama/Biden event in Springfield IL live.
Momentarily looking at the MS topic, found an autumn 2007 article about local perspective concerning the right’s new voter suppression technique called voter ID, MS style. There is a continuum of ambience, yet, modernity as one writer above observed. There is even a factory that builds space exploration rockets.
On the VP business, I see it as a way to develop leadership in the Democratic Party, nice Barack Obama has that horizon in view.
Late to the thread, but fwiw… I assume with Obama’s selection of Biden, he has officially scrapped his campaign slogan of “change we can believe in”, right?
Actually, to me it’s a sign that Obama means serious business.
I could certainly be mistaken.
But Biden has to know where A LOT of bodies are buried in D.C., he’s witty, and he’s never fallen for the “GOP is better at security’ bullshit the way that Kerry and Edwards did. I’d love to see him take on Karl Rove… God, that could be funny.
Sorry, meant ‘means business’ in the sense that Biden must have phenomenal institutional knowledge plus he really, really understands the committee staffers and the legislative process.
I’d prefer change that can actually be institutionalized to bullshit promises.
And I say that as an environmentalist — enough with empty promises. To get things done requires people (flawed as they may be) who understand what’s wrong with institutions and can attract smart employees. Here’s hoping…
The more tightly Obama has embraced the establishment, the worse he has done in the polls. He may mean business, but it is also possible he will sufficiently alienate all those new enthusiastic voters he brought to the polls during the primaries to torpedo his very promising candidacy.
TRe more racially biased poorly educated white people have been mobilized by fictional commercials the better McCain has done in the polls. If you think that Obama’s FISA vote hurt him in the polls, that’s lunacy. I deplored that vote, and said so repeatedly. It was a cheap political calculus. But Obama hasn’t made a lot of “centrist moves.”
Allowing McCain to campaign and project that he is not American, that he is not “a patriot,” to pander to stupid slogans like “Drill now wherever the fuck and your gas problems will be solved after you have become Saudi Arabian Oil Addicts who continue not to give a flying fuck about your addiction”, and Tepid Clintons of Chippaqua’s lack of support have contributed to McCain’s pulling up in the polls
Obama refused to take off the gloves, but that’s over. And we will have a feild day tearing McCain apart, along Corsi and his Swift Boat 527s.
P.S. The Clintons of Chipaqua weren’t vetted because they refused to release the info required
1) 2007 Tax Returns
2) Foundation Contributors
3) Library Contributors
They should have been kept the fuck out of Denver.
Care to elaborate phred on the details of
How has he tightly embraced the establishment that has had a direct impact on polls?
At what point in the next 8 years do the Clintons of Chipaqua plan to either
1) Support Obama (They haven’t yet in fact)
2) Go for it–Try to get Bill in a McCain Cabinet and put Hillruh who is stiffing Penn for $5 million and has $200 million in her own bank accounts on McCain’s ticket as VP?
How about a Supreme Court of 3 More Nino Scalia’s You Can Believe in and an Open Endede 15 Billion Dollar a Month Dover Coffin Factory You Can Believe In or a Russia Says Fuck You We’ll Roll over you Ally any Time We Please You Can Believe In or an FBI will Make A Criminal Case Against You Based on a Theoretical Biometric Profile You Can Believe In?
I’d say Biden represents a change against that. You can vote with raccists for more of the same if you like.
Now that I got that off my chest, bmaz thanks for this post. Horton has a piece on it, too. Along with your various recent posts, it certainly confirms that BushCo isn’t backing off one bit in their brazen gaming the of the system.