Letter to DOJ and John Durham Re: Torture Tape Crimes Expiring
As you may know, in early November of 2005, agents of the United States government destroyed at least ninety two videotapes containing direct evidence of the interrogation and, upon admission and belief, torture of Abu Zubaydah and Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri (see: here, here, here, here and here). The statute of limitations, for the criminal destruction of said taped evidence in the cases of Abu Zubaydah and al-Nashiri will expire on Sunday November 7 (since the last day falls on a weekend, the statute should maintain through the next business day, which is Monday November 8). As we have heard absolutely nothing from Eric Holder, John Durham, the DOJ or the Obama Administration in relation to indictments or other results of the investigation Mr. Durham has been conducting since January 8, 2008, nearly three years, I thought a letter was in order asking just exactly what their status was. Said letter was addressed to Dean Boyd and Tracy Schmaler, official representatives and spokesmen for the Department of Justice, and reads as follows:
Dean and Tracy,
As I believe you are already aware, the statute of limitation on criminal charges including, notably, obstruction of justice for the destruction of evidence, are about to expire. The destruction appears to have occurred on or about November 8, 2005 and there is a five year statute on most all of the general crimes that could possibly be under investigation by John Durham. No competent prosecutor would have waited this long to file charges if he intended to do so, but there are still a couple of days left; what is the status?
Secondly, I would like to point out that should you be thinking about relying on some rhetoric that Mr. Durham simply cannot find any crimes to prosecute and/or that there were no proceedings obstructed, it is intellectually and legally impossible to not consider the tapes to be evidence, and as they almost certainly exhibit torture to some degree and to some part they would almost certainly be exculpatory evidence, in the cases of Abu Zubaydah and al-Nashiri themselves. The United States government continues to detain these individuals and they have charges that will putatively be brought against them in some forum (civil or tribunal), Habeas rights and/or indefinite detention review processes that will occur in the future.
In short, there exist not just the potential, but the necessity, of future proceedings, and agents of, or on behalf of, the United States government have destroyed material, and almost certainly exculpatory, evidence. Crimes have been committed. At a bare root minimum, it is crystal clear Jose Rodriquez has clear criminal liability; there are, without question, others culpable too. What is the status?
If the DOJ does not intend to proceed in any fashion on these clear crimes, please provide me with some intellectually consistent explanation for why the US government is covering up, and refusing to prosecute, the criminal acts of its own employees and agents.
Thank you.
bmaz
emptywheel.com
If there is any worthwhile or meaningful response, I will advise.
How quaint bmaz, you still think we live in a country governed by the rule of law ; )
Those were the days, eh?
Just got an email from Tom Carson who works with Durham regarding this:
no response as to whether the probe is complete or if an announcement is to be made, etc
You and bmaz and your straightforward questions. You need to send them something like this – “My niece is a recent graduate of Regency Law School. She is very interested in pursuing a career in torture facilitiation. Can you provide an address where we could forward her resume or contact person? She’d be particularly interested in torture that could generate false information that would be presented to the UN and used to start a war that would leave thousands lifeless, thousands more limbless, and millions as refugees. If you could direct us to the correct department, I’m sure she would have a bright future with your institution.”
The people who have been handpicked to work on the already shallowly and narrowly limited topics were picked bc they were the right people. They aren’t going to answer questions or lose sleep. They won’t flinch over the torture, they won’t flinch over the body bags from the wars the torture was used to justify, and they won’t flinch over their roles in desecration of justice. Not to be oversimplistic, but in the end, it boils down to – they aren’t good men and women. That’s why they were picked.
ha! After Monday I may very well send that to him and DOJ Mary.
It’s also worth remembering that DOJ has a percentage of ideologues who were hired under the Bush administration who have burrowed in, and will work from within to undermine any feeble efforts by the Obama DOJ.
Um, that really has close to zero to do with any of this; it is entirely a matter of choice by Obama and his political appointees. To the extent any “burrowers” were involved, it was because their principles, or lack thereof, aligned with the Obama crew.
That is a part of it, but it’s more a non-ideologic (as in, amoral v. immoral) approach to a) career enhancement without concern for human, institutional and national cost and b) a games playing mentality common in the legal field where it becomes an “us” v. “them” approach, especially when the investigations are inhoused, so that the “us” is the investigators AND those they are investigating and those who structured the investigation to accomplish a preordained end result, and the “them” are the victims of actions that are being investigated or those who are calling for truth and transparency and responsibility. The “team” for the inhouse investigators is the admin they are investigating and especially the superiors who gave them the wink and nod in how they set up the investigation parameters.
Of course not, no comment until next Tuesday. Then they will have all the time in the world to make their excuses. And no one will be able to do a damn thing about it.
Since bananas don’t grow well in the continental US, we need to coin a new name for our corrupt republic… How ’bout a “corn republic”?
Maybe soy-lent?
Um, corn would be safer ; } We don’t need to give corporate America any ideas…
I kind of like Pawpaw* Republic.
* otherwise known as the Indiana banana
I like this but raise you one: the “corn syrup republic” would be totally apt.
You can have corn syrup if you concede that we’ve already claimed maple syrup. (That’s if you let us annex Vermont.)
Friendly fascism?
Funny thing about that; once the statute has run, they can no longer hide behind the “pending investigation” baloney. Wonder what they will say then?
Yeah, I know, same baloney….
“Wonder what they will say then?”
It’s classified.
Carson also added that he “and can’t provide any legal analysis” when I asked if he could discuss any scenario where this investigation would continue beyond the statute of limitations.
Well golly, that is pretty deep and conclusive, that’ll show me for asking questions!
Nothing gives you more confidence than a DOJ that “can’t provide any legal analysis” Although I think what is really being asked of them is to provide illegal (acts) analysis.
The legend of John Yoo lives on.
Luckily for Zenyatta, they keep her environment well mucked out and she gets to drink heavily.
obama signed a secret executive order creating his own time/space continuum in which the 5-year clock never runs out and therefore the DOJ will be unable to ever comment on this ongoing investigation…ongoing investigation…ongoing investigation…ongoing investigation…ongoing investigation…
Whoa there little filly, you got me all hyp-NO-tized!
By the way, Zenyatta’s last run is Saturday in the Breeder’s Cup Classic, you going to be joining us live in Trash comments (yes it is going to be another horsey trash)?
with my souvenir zenyatta cap on!! and i am further kicking myself for not realizing h’wood park is z’s home base and i could’ve gone by and watched her practice and drink her guinness.
(z drinking her guinness)
Thinking of all things trashy, has the judge ruled in the Dodger divorce yet???
My guess is Gordon will string it out until last day, hoping they settle in the meantime.
Thanks bmaz. When is the last day?
i believe right before xmas.
Thanks! I’ve been loving your play-by-play of the case. It will almost be a shame when it ends ; )
(as we’ve gone into full thread-jack, josh at dodgerdivorce.com has a new post up you might enjoy!)
Thanks! Sounds like I need to stock up on more popcorn ; )
Sorry for the hijack, EW… ‘Night all…
Can you get ACLU, CCR, EFF and some others to join your inquiry?
Thanks for pursuing this!
Bob in AZ
phred: not yet
bmaz: agree on stringing out…but don’t think those two ex-love birds are gonna settle before his ruling.
Great letter, bmaz! and thanks, Jason, for asking and reporting what DoJ/Durham’s office had to say.
It will take some real social outcry before we get anything out of the government. Torture is institutionalized now, so they can do nothing without calling great swaths of the bureaucracy itself into question.
This goes hand in hand with the failure of Congress to initiate an investigation into the war crime of handing over prisoners for torture, as recently revealed in the Wikileaks Iraq logs, in the sense that the non-responsiveness of the oversight functionaries (picked, as Mary said, b/c they are not nice people) is generic to their office at this point.
How far we have come as a nation since even 2002. (And by far, I mean, in the downward direction.)
Great letter. Will the cover up never end?
Heh, no, apparently not.
Well, I did my RTs as best I could. I know it doesn’t help you guys much, but I have Swedes writing to ask who John Durham is.
OT
Can you thank Canada on my behalf…
“Canada yesterday denied approval of BHP’s $130-a-share offer for Potash Corp., saying the transaction wouldn’t provide a “net benefit” to the country”
Wish the USA had the same balls so more manufacturing jobs could stay in America.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-11-04/potash-falls-after-canada-blocks-bhp-takeover-offer.html
Happy to do that, although I shouldn’t write about this story – other people are deep into the politics of it all and I haven’t followed closely enough. I find it hard to compliment Tony Clement for anything, although better him than Harper.
Bush’s admission is pretty much a telegraph that nothing is going to come of this.
What rescues the situation from the expiring SOL? an arrest? or the beginning of a prosecution.
If an arrest is adequate to rescue the expiring SOL from expiring in the short run, why not sponsor a citizen’s arrest of the do-badders?
Nope, nothing short of indictment or direct complaint, i.e. the formal filing of charges with the court. Other than that, poof!
That if the law if followed. Do you think law breaking politicians would notice if the law is not being followed? Tee Hee.
oops. Misspelled words. That’s if the law is followed…
another OT: speaking of popcorn, “Fair Game”, based on Valerie Plame & Joseph Wilson’s books, opens this Friday (tomorrow). From Mick LaSalle’s SF Chronicle review:
heh. i am so there friday.
y’know, I’m beginning to think that the only way we’re going to get justice on this front is when the Republicans decide that it’s time to pin the blame for torture, warrantless wiretaps, etc. on *Obama*. Help me with the timing here: At what point will the SOL run out on all the Republican administration’s involvement, but will not have run out on stuff done during the Obama administration?
What we seem to have here is that the Democrats are scared of impeaching anyone on any grounds, no matter how heinous, but the Republicans are eager to launch impeachment investigations on the flimsiest of pretexts. They obviously learned different lessons from the Clinton impeachment proceedings than the Democrats did.
Bob in AZ
IANAL, but i work down the hall from some lawyers. while durham et al might plead incompetence upon letting the SOL run out, is there a case to be made for malpractice that could be initiated by others? i’m thinking of the ethics complaints against john yoo.
second question: does the ICC in The Hague recognize the SOL which runs out monday in the U.S.? or does that door close on tuesday, too?
bmaz thanks for your efforts.
And may I remind all of a fantastic piece bmaz wrote that should be printed off and sent with any letter you might write to the DOJ and Durham.
Now, I remember the letter the Judiciary committee signed about this investigation. Wasn’t there a letter signed by top law professors around the nation? I cannot find it. Which law school has been investigating torture — I forgot which one.
And to Mary— You have a great mind. Your thoughts @ 7 were spot on.
klynn, are you thinking of Seton Hall? They did the investigation into the deaths at Camp No at GTMO, eg — EW had great discussions last December, I think. I vaguely remember the letter you refer to, but I’m not sure who organized that.
Here’s EW: Asymmetrical Self-Gagging
Thank you! I was drawing a blank and it was driving me crazy! (same to rxbusa!) Not enough coffee!!!
I draw blanks too — I only found it because I wrote about it and I remembered to look at our tag cloud. *grin*
I think it was Seton Hall.
From a report at Democratic Underground 4/3/2009:
Link.
Here’s a link to the Seton Hall Reports.
Here’s a link to CAPTURED ON TAPE.
Still looking for that letter…
Legal Community Condemns Destruction of CIA Tapes; William Fisher; 12/26/07
Jesselyn Radack‘s DKos article, 12/19/07:
Here’s a link to the 40 page report on torture produced by Professor Denbeaux and the Seton Hall Law Center for Policy and Research.
It’s a PDF file.
The title of the report is,
I thought you were making it up. WHO KNEW? But I see you are not.
I understand why you thought I made it up. The administration has turned a fetish of excusing wrongdoers and stupidity into an incredibly bad joke by repeatedly saying “Who could have known?” in circumstances where a PB&J sandwich would have known.
Here’s a Seminal post by elliot about the letter from 1300 American lawyers about the tape destruction:
And here is looseheadprop at FDL on 12/7/07
There’s a list of names of people who signed.
Your link popped up the dreaded 404 message.
Sorry. Try this:
http://firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/will-american-lawyers-take-to-the-streets-in-support-of-the-rule-of-law-in-the-us/
I hope the same lawyers reissue their letter today.
Thanks for posting. Thanks to everyone for helping my foggy brain. A week of sick kids and little sleep slows the memory!
Ugh. That’s definitely no fun. It will eventually end, though. ;-)
Somehow I missed signing the original letter. I’d be delighted to sign one now.
I’d also like to send my own letter anyway. Bmaz, what are the email addies for Holder, Durham, Boyd, and Schmaler?
Not exactly what you were looking for, but:
John Durham, Esq.
U.S. Department of Justice
157 Church St., 23rd Floor
New Haven, CT 06510
from Rosalind in “Bush Admits Approving Torture” thread:
DOJ CT Main Phone: 203-821-3700
DOJ CT Main Fax: 203-773-5376
US Attorneys Contact Information:
http://www.justice.gov/usao/offices/index.html
DOJ email addys are usually [email protected]
Thanks.
BTW, is Tracy a male or female?
female
Gracias, again.
Barack Obama took at oath to uphold the Constitution, Article 2 of which requires, him as president, to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, i.e., that crimes be punished. He has broken his oath.
Torture/ Murder/ Treason will Durham chose what’s legal or caste his lot with the traitors.
If this isn’t treason then there is no treason.
The season for treason is upon us.
Remember, remember, the fifth of November …
Ah,what synchronicity!
Isn’t it Bonfire Night in the UK,in honor of Guy Fawkes?
That movie V for Vendetta is one of my all time favorites.
Late to this post, but hopefully not irrelevant – just out via the AFP:
Who knows whether Koh is in the loop on this stuff, but I thought I’d pass it along.
Yeah, citing the feckless Durham investigation is a little laughable as support for serious US “accountability” don’t you think??
Heh. Koh speaking in Geneva today … Guess who else was speaking at the UN in Geneva today, and got a lot more press?
Never heard of this prof nor the blog, so am appealing to you for your opinion. Thnx.
Hi, kid, and yes — that’s Max — he’s great. I haven’t read that post yet but will — it looks good. (On Twitter he is 1D4TW.) Thanks very much.
Tweeted both Mason and Max.
Oh, thanks! With your imprimatur on it, then, I do hope people will go read that article linked @ 89. It is very interesting.
Now, off to see Mason’s diary!
Here’s a copy of my letter to Eric Holder, John Durham, Tracy Schmaler, and Dean Boyd. I just emailed it to the four addressees.
I’ll post any response that I receive.
SENT VIA EMAIL
Mr. Eric H. Holder, Jr.
Attorney General of the United States
United States Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20530-0001
Mr. John Durham
First Assistant United States Attorney
District of Connecticut
450 Main Street
Room 328
Hartford, CT 06103
Ms. Tracy Schmaler
Deputy Director
Office of Public Affairs
United States Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20530-0001
Mr. Dean Boyd
Public Affairs Specialist
Office of Public Affairs
United States Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20530-0001
Dear Mr. Attorney General Holder,
The five-year statute of limitations, within which to initiate a prosecution against a person who intentionally destroyed CIA tape recordings of individuals who were being tortured by U.S. officials while in U.S. custody, expires on Monday, November 8, 2010. As a retired law professor, former criminal defense attorney, and defender of the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and the Rule of Law for more than thirty years, I am extremely concerned by the absence of an indictment or complaint charging anyone with destroying the 92 missing tapes and the absence of any official explanation regarding why.
I should not have to remind or explain to anyone at the Department of Justice that “looking forward, not backward,” is a political policy and not a rule of law. I am not alone when I characterize the policy as an intentional obstruction of justice by concealing evidence of a crime, which is the same crime, by the way, that was committed by the person or persons who destroyed the tapes. As you well know, obstruction of justice and conspiracy to obstruct justice are federal felonies and impeachable offenses.
The Department of Justice’s silence is deafening. I cannot think of any reason why the department has not indicted anyone yet or officially announced why it decided against seeking an indictment. Under the circumstances, I cannot imagine that a grand jury would have refused to return an indictment, so what is going on?
A little over 60 years ago, Justice Jackson of the United States Supreme Court prosecuted and convicted German officials for war crimes, including torture, and crimes against humanity. He did not “look forward, not backward,” to avoid his responsibility to uphold the rule of law. He accepted the responsibility and so should the Department of Justice.
Sincerely,
____________________________
[Mason]
Professor of Law
That is a wonderful, noble letter, Mason. It brought tears to my eyes.
Great letter.
It would be worthy of being posted as a diary too.
We can never have enough posts on this serious concern of justice.
Yes, thank you Mason.
Jim White has a post here.
Mason, you are a credit to your profession and to humanity.
With sincere admiration ,I humbly thank you for your eloquent effort.
Thank you for this. I’ve forwarded your letter to all the lawyers in my family.
Bob in AZ
Oh, Mason, you are just top-notch! Many thanks.
We have a collection of people in government that are only concerned with personal career security and advancement, and feel no moral obligation to their craft or sense of duty to those they are supposed to serve. Shame and outrage for the horrific is dead. There is only indignation for personal slights.
Everyone, Mason posted it as a diary. Go give him traffic!
Iraqi prisoners were abused at ‘UK’s Abu Ghraib’, court hears
Detainees were starved, deprived of sleep and threatened with execution at JFIT facilities near Basra, high court told
LINK.
Ooops. Here’s the video, too: LINK.
You have to love the UK High Court. Those judges don’t fool around, boy. (Ozzie and Harriet reference.)
Do you think they would swap ours for theirs? Or, maybe we could even have a foreign exchange program?