How Senate Judiciary Committee Dems Fucked Up the Kash Patel Nomination Hearing

I have always said I think it likely Kash Patel will be confirmed. But that shouldn’t have made yesterday’s confirmation hearing pointless. Democrats did that on their own, though a combination of inadequate preparation and absence of leadership.

Dems tried to demonstrate Kash’s manifest lack of fitness for the job in three ways:

  • Pointing to all the attacks on law enforcement he made on random podcasts
  • Probing his role in disseminating the January 6 choir
  • Dancing around his invocation of the Fifth in the Jack Smith investigation

Pointing to all the attacks on law enforcement he made on random podcasts

Kash dealt with the first line of attack — his incendiary comments on social media — by claiming that his comments were taken out of context.

The only time such claims made any sense, when he tried to spin his complaints about the January 6 response, should have led to detailed follow-up of all the ways his testimony conflicts with every other witness on January 6. Kash even, yesterday, doubled the number of National Guard he claims Trump authorized, a claim that is debunked by the testimony of multiple pro-Trump witnesses. And even if his claims were true (he blames and blamed Ryan McCarthy for the delay in Guard response on January 6) means that his own leadership was faulty. At the very least, committee Democrats should have asked whether he was implicated in Barry Loudermilk’s insinuation that the failure to deploy the Guard was contemptuous.

Similarly, when Kash disclaimed remembering far right podcast host Stew Peters and Dick Durbin noted that Kash had appeared on the show eight times, Durbin should have followed up and asked what kind of compromise such promiscuity could cause an FBI Director.

Probing his role in disseminating the January 6 choir

There were many questions about Kash’s role in promoting the January 6 choir — but in spite of a conflict with Adam Schiff over the meaning of “we,” no one ever got Kash explain who did do the rest (though Adam Schiff did state that Kash had done no due diligence before pushing the video).

This matters, because some of Kash’s buddies (including conspiracy theorist Julie Kelly) routinely make false claims about rioters, and finding the source of Kash’s false claims is important to his warped reality going forward.

But the entire thrust of these questions was hampered by the point I made here and here: they relied on a superficial understanding, based off press releases rather than court dockets, of who these people were.

Schiff asked Kash if he promoted a video showing assailants attacking FBI agents, would it make him unfit to be Director. Why not, then, focus directly on the gun that Barton Shively grabbed when probation officers showed up, precisely the kind of thing that has gotten FBI agents killed in recent years.

And if you want to persuade — or at least, embarrass — your Republican colleagues, why not make it clear that the violent rioters under discussion didn’t just attack cops, but they threatened to drag people like Chuck Grassley and Lindsey Graham through the streets? Kash didn’t just promote people who attacked cops, he promoted people who wanted to attack members of the Committee.

Dancing around his invocation of the Fifth in the Jack Smith investigation

It’s on Kash’s invocation of the Fifth that I’m most upset, because Democrats may have forfeited the opportunity to make this a scandal going forward.

It started strongly enough. Cory Booker first raised it, and got Kash to claim he wanted his grand jury testimony released, after which Booker tried — but failed — to get Kash to elaborate on his testimony. Later, Schiff returned to the question and asked whether he supported getting both his grand jury transcripts and any mention of him in Volume Two, which led to what were probably Kash’s angriest looks of the hearing.

But after that, in the second round, a number of senators returned to the issue, mangling the grand jury standard by falsely saying that if Kash consents to the release of the transcript it can be released, and focusing primarily on the transcript and not the report (the latter of which made his eyes bug out when Schiff raised it).

This is the kind of thing you need to coordinate! This is the kind of thing where the actual grand jury rules matter! This is the kind of thing where the McGann precedent matters! 

And this is the kind of thing that demanded a coordinated set of yes or no questions about Kash’s testimony, because yesterday’s hearing was the one opportunity Dems will ever have to force him to answer question about what he told the grand jury.

All the more so because, it appears, Dems haven’t done what they should have to make an issue of the report (I first described the import of it to this confirmation on January 13).

On Wednesday — literally the day before the hearing — Dems wrote a letter to Acting Attorney General James McHenry asking for the report. While the letter referenced Dick Durbin asking Pam Bondi about it buried on page 41 of her Questions for the Record, that question did not tie the request to the need to advise and consent on confirmations. Tuesday’s letter nevertheless pointed to that question to claim that Aileen Cannon should have known about it.

On January 23, 2025, the Committee issued a “Notice of Committee Nomination Hearing” for Mr. Patel, which is now scheduled for January 30, 2025. The Ranking Member of the Committee submitted on January 16, 2025, Questions for the Record (QFR) to Attorney General nominee Pamela Jo Bondi following her confirmation hearing, requesting that she commit to making Volume Two of the Special Counsel’s report available immediately for review to the Senate Judiciary Committee Chair, Ranking Member, or their designees.2

This formal request preceded an order issued several days later by a judge in the United States District Court for the Southern District of Florida that enjoined the Department from releasing or otherwise making available a redacted version of Volume Two of the Special Counsel’s report to the House and Senate Judiciary Committees. In the order, the judge erroneously stated that “[t]here is no record of an official request by members of Congress for in camera review of Volume II as proposed by the Department in this case,” despite the prior request which her order omits. The judge also concludes wrongly that the Department “identified no pending legislation on the subject or any legislative activity that could be aided, even indirectly, by dissemination of Volume II to the four specified members whom the Department believes should review Volume II now,” notwithstanding the Committee’s ongoing consideration of Mr. Patel and others’ nominations.3

2 Senate Judiciary Committee, Questions for the Record the Honorable Pamela Jo Bondi Nominee to be Attorney General of the United States, (Jan. 16, 2025), https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2025-01-15_- _qfr_responses_-_bondi.pdf

3 United States v. Trump, No. 9:23-cr-80101, (S.D. Fla. Jan. 21, 2025) ECF No. 714 at 7; In addition, on January 13, 2025, Senator Dick Durbin, Ranking Member of the Senate Judiciary Committee and the other Democratic members of the Committee submitted a letter to then-Attorney General Merrick Garland “recogniz[ing[ the current injunction against the release of Special Counsel Smith’s report and related materials and reserv[ing] its right to request production of the report and relevant records at an appropriate future date.” Senate Judiciary Committee Letter Requesting Preservation of DOJ documents (Jan. 13, 2025), https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Letter%20to%20DOJ%20on%20Records%20Preservation.pdf

This falls short of informing Cannon, however, and submitting an urgent request for the report in conjunction with this confirmation the day before the hearing is rather late, particularly since Grassley might try to push through the confirmation before the stated due date for the report, February 10 (which is still before Cannon’s injunction runs out).

Given Kash’s glare, I’m pretty confident that the report will suggest Kash prevaricated before the grand jury. I even suspect we’ll eventually get some semblance of the report (I also think DOJ’s efforts to fire everyone who might have a copy, on Friday, before they moved to dismiss the case against Walt Nauta and Carlos De Oliveira, on Monday, while a transparent attempt to prevent its release, may be inadequate to that effort).

I think that if the report comes out, it will become clear that the delay in releasing it served primarily to preserve Kash’s nomination chances. I think that it’s likely not to happen before he is confirmed, but I think if that happens after Kash’s confirmation, it can be made a key demonstration of the corruption inherent to Trump’s DOJ.

But Democrats have not done the things they needed to do to to make that a scandal.

Trump’s DOJ is involved in a cover-up as we speak, a cover-up designed to hide how the aspiring FBI Director was complicit in Trump’s efforts to retain classified documents in his insecure basement. But Democrats have not done what they need to do to impose a cost for that cover-up.

Kash disclaims the purge in process

Cory Booker was perhaps the bright spot of the day. In addition to first raising Kash’s role in the documents investigation, he got Kash to disclaim knowledge of a purge in process, in which at least six senior FBI agents were pushed out, during the hearing.

This is another thing that may be turned into a scandal going forward.

Compile this video

As this post makes clear, most of these Senators are quite proud of their testy confrontations with Kash. They’ve sent them out individually.

It’s not too late to make use of them. Democrats can and should put together three videos focused on each of these topics. Intersperse Kash’s claim to stand by cops with video of those he celebrated attacking them. Intersperse Kash’s disavowal of the Neo-Nazis he has been sidling up to with what he said on their shows. And make a video of all the times Kash claimed to want to release his testimony with a focus on the effort to cover it up.

Kash Patel is almost certainly going to be confirmed. And he will almost certainly be a catastrophic appointee. So Dems need to do far more than they did yesterday to impose a cost going forward on his pick — one that, especially, will make it easier to demonstrate the corruption of his installation.

30 replies
  1. John_31JAN2025_0731h says:

    Sadly I think we all know by now that senators don’t coordinate. They’re all stars in a one-person show.

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  2. Trevanion says:

    For me there were two takeaways after watching all of the confirmation hearings this week.

    First: dismay at watching the strikingly somnolent performance by almost every Democrat after they would first make a clearly over-acted pose of being testy while reading the initial prepared question or statement.

    Second, pondering the obviously high percentage of Depends-wearers in today’s United States Senate.

  3. MsJennyMD says:

    Thank you. Yes, I agree about the videos. Actually, I was surprised the Democrats didn’t use videos of Patel in the past. All they had to do was say, “Let’s go to the videotape.” Visuals are so much more powerful in the moment.

    Purge in process = Corruption in process.

  4. BRUCE F COLE says:

    Thanks yet again, Marcy. What a valuable service you’re providing to what remains of our democracy. I’ve tripled my monthly payment to support your work.

    • BRUCE F COLE says:

      In all of those videos, Grassley gave Patel the option of not answering the last question, all squirm-inducing ones, from Dem interrogators. New moniker: “Escape-hatch” Grassley.

  5. Memory hole says:

    I only saw a few random parts of the hearing, so my impression may be well off the mark. But I thought it often was the case that the Dem senators questioning him seemed too intent on just going through their list of questions. There seemed a number of times to be a response/ non response that called for followup questions or more clarification. But they kept letting Kash off the hook, moving to the next item.

  6. lastoneawake says:

    I wish one of the people questioning Kash about his podcasts had simply prepared and played audio clips of him saying what he said.

    Hearing his voice denying his own voice, and later, people in the media (inevitably) confusing which clip was which, would have been priceless.

  7. thequickbrownfox says:

    The Dems understand that they are just urinating into the wind. They cannot stop a single confirmation — only the Repubs can do that. It’s all a show, choreographed by Trump and project 2025, with the objective of creating chaos. It’s working, because many Republicans are on-board, and those that aren’t are scared shitless of the techbro money and the maga mob.

    • drhester says:

      I agree with this take. Pissing into the wind. I am hoping the tech bros have 2nd thoughts when they try to land at San Carlos airport.

      From the SF Chronicle
      “The San Carlos Airport, a hub for Silicon Valley business travel that lies along the approach to San Francisco International Airport, will no longer have air traffic controllers guiding planes in and out of the airport starting on Saturday, according to airport manager Gretchen Kelly.
      The airport’s controllers resigned, she said in a news release, after the Federal Aviation Administration changed air traffic control contracts to a firm with lower pay that does not take account of the region’s high cost of living.
      “Understandably, all current controllers have declined (the new) offers,” according to Kelly, who said that the FAA denied a request to provide temporary staffing.”

      https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/san-mateo-airport-faa-20066006.php

      Supposedly negotiations are underway. Stay tuned

  8. MsJennyMD says:

    A few clips of Katel’s past and current questioning by Senator Hirono.
    MSNBC: He was wrong: Trump’s own FBI nominee rebukes pardons for violent MAGA convicts at fiery hearing
    (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-HFe8K2aUo)
    Go to 8:30 for the set up and then the video follows.

    Patel is Mr. Revenge. Trump has found his bully to do his bully work.

    • lastoneawake says:

      Picking one of the few psychophants that even Bill Barr couldn’t stand, to go where even Barr refused to go.

      Clever and petty, but not smart.

      Icarus didn’t die because the sun opposed him, he died because his wings melted (although he probably cursed the sun as he fell).

  9. Bill_31JAN2025_1321h says:

    Such a great read! Your beginning, “though a combination of inadequate preparation and absence of leadership” is profound, and in my opinion, goes much, much deeper as to why we ended up with this administration. Yikes!

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  10. P J Evans says:

    I just did a survey for a California political group. They wanted a one-word description of the Democrats. I went with “inept and old”. (They also asked the same for the GOP: “Fascist bigots”.)

  11. Stephen Calhoun says:

    I feel for you Marcy. The lack of coordination was jaw-dropping. But so was the shortfall in preparation. (emptywheel apparently isn’t mandatory reading among Senate staffers.) A Senator needs to be very savvy to undermine the kabuki.

    Are there unwritten rules? Patel was asked if Biden won the election and the follow up to his scripted (inane) response, “Biden was certified” should have been both barrels. First, ‘was the election rigged?’ and second, ‘what was your response to seeing the certification jeopardized by a MAGA mob aiming to kill VP Pence?’

    Similarly, Patel’s lie under oath that he can’t recall knowing someone who hosted him eight times on a podcast should have elicited a response about the importance of remembering, memory, and how crucial having a sharp memory is to the job. “Mr. Patel if you can’t remember meeting someone who interviewed you eight times, is the quality of your memory in question?”

    It was mostly dreary and confidence robbing.

    • gmokegmoke says:

      “Patel was asked if Biden won the election….”

      I believe that is the wrong way to phrase the question. “Did Donald J Trump win the 2020 Presidential election?” is better as it forces the respondent into a direct falsehood or to deny his Master.

      • HikaakiH says:

        Yep. You know how this game should be played. A small shift in the perspective of the question, but it forces the point.

  12. CaptainCondorcet says:

    Does age of Senators matter? Absolutely. But there are plenty of ancient relics on the Republican side as well. I imagine part of the issue is a serious misuse by Dem Senators of the Shaw quote “Never wrestle pigs, you both get dirty and the pig likes it”, a now almost-ludicrous belief that there will be no stooping going on in that dignified room. But I think Dr. Wheeler summed up everything perfectly with her sentence about the confrontations at the end, “They’ve sent them out individually.” Dem senators (all senators, but Dem senators especially since they have no access to the levers of power) are single-minded seekers of election who have been warped into single-minded seekers of soundbites. Many of them come from states where either (A) they perceive they need all the help they can get in the form of personal trumpeting their own horn, or (B) They are not just safe but basically have inherited fiefdoms for the rest of their life. The former grandstand out of necessity, the latter grandstand out of ego, and we get nowhere in the meantime.

  13. goatrodeo says:

    Agreed all around, the Dem Senators blew it. I have to wonder regarding the lack of using video or even audio testimony to trap him in his own words had to have been due to Grassley and the R’s, it’s their Senate now, disallowing it. There is no other explanation is there? They have staff don’t they? Still shaking my head

    • misnomer bjet says:

      Video evidence would cut into question & answer time, but how hard would it be to find out if it wasn’t allowed?

      Or to find out what Trump’s funding freeze could do to legislative staff and interns’ situation.

  14. Ginevra diBenci says:

    I wish all MOCs read emptywheel, not just the Democrats. More realistically, our current situation would indeed be better served should at least *one* Democrat on each committee take it on as an assignment, with the resulting insights to be shared with the group. They could rotate EW duties; the habit might even take hold with some.

    I share the frustration and despair, the fear and creeping sense of futility expressed or, more often, implied here. I have trouble suppressing my impatience when Chuck Schumer speaks. Sometimes Amy Klobuchar’s voice makes me wince. But Jasmine Crockett, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Mallory McMorrow, and Cory Booker? They did not bail on the Democratic Party. Chris Murphy doesn’t get everything right but he’s in there fighting and he’s a Democrat. Angela Alsobrooks, Sheldon Whitehouse, Alex Padilla…and please, please, please let’s not forget Kamala Harris.

    Do we really want to emulate the MAGA party and institute purity tests on our side? In my family the phrase was “Don’t throw out the baby with the bath water.” I see some justifying their own inertia and torpor by shrugging, “Well, the Democrats are just as bad.” (A lot of them didn’t even vote.)

    The Democrats aren’t perfect. But they are nowhere near “just as bad.”

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