With Matt Gaetz, Donald Trump’s Myth Cannot Fail — It Can Only Be Failed
Folks, I know this is bad timing, but in about 20 minutes, I’m going to temporarily shut down comments here, as we’re going to do some planned maintenance. Hopefully it won’t take too long.
I keep thinking back to this June 2023 exchange between Matt Gaetz and John Durham.
It came at the end of Durham’s testimony after delivering his report, in which Durham said a lot of inflammatory things, but ultimately concluded that the allegations of Russian interference should have been investigated, but should have been opened at a lower level of investigation.
After four years, Durham blamed Hillary Clinton for things Russians (like those suspected of filling the Christopher Steele dossier with disinformation) had done. But he hadn’t done the one thing Republicans needed him to do: assert that the Russian investigation was a hoax.
At the end of it, Jim Jordan adopted a tactic he has come to use in his hearings. He took a break for votes, giving staffers a half hour to prepare a rebuttal. And then three Republican members took turns, including Matt Gaetz for his second turn, unrebutted by any Democratic member.
He came prepared.
Gaetz cued up video from Robert Mueller’s July 2019 testimony, showing Jim Jordan grilling Mueller about Joseph Mifsud. Jordan asserted that Bill Barr and John Durham were trying to find out what Mifsud was doing. After Durham responded that they did try to pursue that angle, Gaetz asserted that Durham’s investigation was “an op.”
You had years to find out the answer to what Mr. Jordan said was the seminal question, and you don’t have it. It just begs the question whether or not you were really trying to find that out. Because it’s one thing to criticize the FBI for their FISA violations, to write a report. They’ve been criticized in plenty of reports. Some have referred to your work as just a repackaging and regurgitation of what the Inspector General already told us. So if you weren’t going to do what Mr. Jordan said you were going to do in that video, and give us the basis for all of it, what’s this all been about?
Now, in point of fact, who Mifsud really was was never the seminal question. Or rather, he only ever became a question via conspiracy theories Jordan and Mark Meadows laundered through a sham Congressional appearance from George Papadopoulos. Under their direction, the Coffee Boy provided no primary documentation with which staffers could hold him to account. Instead, Papadopoulos laundered conspiracy theories first posted in right wing propaganda outlets.
Q Okay. So, and Mifsud, he presented himself as what? Who did he tell you he was?
A So looking back in my memory of this person, this is a mid-50’s person, describes himself as a former diplomat who is connected to the world, essentially. I remember he was even telling me that, you know, the Vietnamese prime minister is a good friend of mine. I mean, you have to understand this is the type of personality he was portraying himself as.
And, you know, I guess I took the bait because, you know, usually somebody who — at least in Washington, when somebody portrays themselves in a specific way and has credentials to back it, you believe them. But that’s how he portrayed himself. And then I can’t remember exactly the next thing that happened until he decided to introduce me to Putin’s fake niece in London, which we later found out is some sort of student. But I could get into those details of how that all started.
Q And what’s your — just to kind of jump way ahead, what’s your current understanding of who Mifsud is?
A My current understanding?
Q Yeah. A You know, I don’t want to espouse conspiracy theories because, you know, it’s horrifying to really think that they might be true, but just yesterday, there was a report in the Daily Caller from his own lawyer that he was working with the FBI when he approached me. And when he was working me, I guess — I don’t know if that’s a fact, and I’m not saying it’s a fact — I’m just relaying what the Daily Caller reported yesterday, with Chuck Ross, and it stated in a categorical fashion that Stephan Roh, who is Joseph Mifsud’s, I believe his President’s counsel, or PR person, said that Mifsud was never a Russian agent.
In fact, he’s a tremendous friend of western intelligence, which makes sense considering I met him at a western spying school in Rome. And all his interactions — this is just me trying to repeat the report, these are not my words — and when he met with me, he was working as some sort of asset of the FBI. I don’t know if that’s true or not. I’m just reporting what my current understanding is of this individual based on reports from journalists.
[snip]
Q And then at what point did you learn that, you know, he’s not who he said he was?
A Like I said, I don’t have the concrete proof of who this person is. I’m just going with reports. And all I can say is that I believe the day I was, my name was publicly released and Papadopoulos became this person that everyone now knows, Mifsud gave an interview to an Italian newspaper. And in this newspaper, he basically said, I’m not a Russian agent. I’m a Clinton supporter. I’m a Clinton Foundation donor, and that — something along those lines. I mean, don’t quote me exactly, you could look up the article yourself. It is in La Republica. And then all of a sudden, after that, he disappears off the face of the planet, which I always found as odd.
[snip]
I guess the overwhelming evidence, from what I’ve read, just in reports, nothing classified, of course, because I’m not privy to anything like that, and considering his own lawyer is saying it, Stephan Roh, that Mifsud is a western intelligence source. And, I guess, according to reports yesterday, he was working with the FBI. [my emphasis]
And that’s what led Barr and Durham to jump on a plane together and chase Papadopoulos’ conspiracy theories — without ever interviewing Papadopoulos directly. Mifsud’s own lawyer — the one who couldn’t help Durham figure out how to subpoena him — who started the conspiracy theory that Mifsud worked for Western, not Russian, spies.
Durham and Barr did more than just chase Papadopoulos’ conspiracy theories together. Durham fabricated a key part of the theory of his case. He ignored key events — most notably, Trump’s invitation for Russia to hack his opponent — that made all the actions of Hillary’s people make sense. He relied on a Twitter account as the foundation of his indictment against Igor Danchenko, then whined when such communications were deemed inadmissible without a witness to introduce them.
Yet ultimately, the rules of criminal procedure and some very very good defense attorneys (no doubt paid with life savings) managed to thwart Durham’s efforts to spin from his own fevered imaginations a conspiracy implicating Hillary Clinton.
For that, Matt Gaetz accused Durham of “inoculating” the FBI.
Your report seems to be less an indictment of the FBI and more of an inoculation — lower case I, of course. And like many inoculations, it may have worse consequences down the road. It’s just hard to pretend as though this was a sincere effort. When you don’t get to the fundamental thing that started the whole deal.
Because reality ultimately debunked Durham’s conspiracy theories, Gaetz deemed him to be part of the Deep State.
I get that Matt Gaetz’ nomination is one of the most likely to be rejected by the Senate. I get that there’s still a chance this guy — the guy who proclaims even a fellow conspiracist part of the Deep State if he permits himself to discover that reality doesn’t back his fever dreams — won’t be Attorney General.
But this is what it means that Trump wants to take a hammer to DOJ and FBI: not just that they’ll avoid any investigations implicating Trump or his allies, but they will find a way to meld reality to their own myth.
As it was, Bill Barr’s DOJ added post-it notes to evidence in ways that happened to feed Trump’s myth of grievance. They claimed travel records of the informant with something akin to a Let’s go Brandon cap matched his claims about Joe Biden accepting a bribe when, purportedly, the opposite is true.
Bill Barr’s DOJ already made shit up to feed Trump’s myth.
Since then, a Trump judge admitted a laptop full of evidence at a criminal trial with little more validation than an access to an iCloud account to which multiple outsiders had access, and an email sent to a publicly available email address.
But whoever Trump installs atop DOJ will take all this one step further. No longer will it be a select crony US Attorneys who forget to remove post-it notes with erroneous but convenient dates or claim travel records say the opposite of what they actually say. It will be the litmus test from the top: Donald Trump’s myths cannot fail, they can only be failed.
Update: Gaetz has withdrawn from consideration.
Don’t look now but the Big Dick Toilet Salesman is now our NATO ambassador….
And wrestling mogul’s wife will take a crack at Dept of Education after Betsy deVos failed to complete that job the first time around.
Crack at dismantling the Dept of ED.
He loves the uneducated.
Ya know, I thought I recognized that name (and thus recalled Marcy’s moniker).
Another good one from someone, possibly at The Daily Beast, was “Hot Tub Crime Machine”.
“I met him at a western spying school in Rome.”
Sounds like a line from “Get Smart”.
Apparently this school, which doesn’t explicitly mention espionage in its course offerings:
https://www.unilink.it/international/welcome-to-link-campus-university
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43488581
“Mifsud and Roh interlock: in 2014, Roh became a visiting lecturer at the London Academy of Diplomacy. Roh bought Link Campus University, a private institution in Rome where Mifsud was part of the management and Mifsud became a consultant at Roh’s legal firm.”
My working theory is that Trump nominated Gaetz as a control function for Vance:
Vance stole the debate glory, pulling their campaign out of the post-POTUS-debate-shambles — Trump having shat all over that event, and on their prospects in the process. He thereby became a rival, especially having the Project 2025 cashet wafting about him. And he can speak coherently (a low bar for envy but, hey). The kicker for Trump, though, must be the “At least Vance can step in if Trump implodes” meme that resulted from those debates, in the hive-mind of the GOP.
Therefore, I think Trump may well have ordered Vance to advocate forcefully for Natty Matty (which he’s just recently begun doing), expecting Gaetz to fail conformation or drop out, leaving egg on Vance’s face, and giving psychological leverage to Trump.
And for Gaetz it’s a win win because he escapes being reprimanded (let alone sanctioned by the House), and he’s probably already being slotted at FOX or one of the minion platforms.
That’s how Trump operates. He’s got nothing to lose, almost literally, and he’s functioning in a classic Roy Cohen gameplan.
Oh, and there’s the A25 rumor mill churning out there. Vance can’t be fired, a fact that Trump has been gnawing on for 4+ years! Gotta put him in his place!
IIRC, Didn’t Gaetz orchestrate to get Johnson the Speaker-ship and didn’t Trump brag about a deal with Johnson just before the election? Maybe it wasn’t about challenging the results.
“Trump having shat all over” the debate, in your opinion.
In magats’ opinion, he was brilliant.
Also in MAGA opinion the debate was rigged against Trump in various ways — questions supplied in advance, answers supplied in real time via earrings, fact checking of Trump and so on.
So….
Complaining about dems using teleprompters, when Donnie uses them just as much, and possibly more.
Polling numbers after the debate were the shit stains.
Off topic news from county next to mine.
Pure MAGA trash. My hat is off to our elected officials who have to put up with MAGA shit.
https://www.inquirer.com/politics/election/bucks-county-commissioners-meeting-republican-activists-diane-ellis-marseglia-20241120.html
“You have to follow the voting rules TO THE LETTER, cheaters!… What do you mean we violated them 4 years ago? We’re allowed to do so; it’s only YOU who can’t!”
was in process of reviewing bio re napoleon, am hungry now, will share this post and read as i eat. BDTS is good only for laughs. i have no expectations either way for the vetting prior to advice decision, on any of those rotten orange peels.
i hope there will be copies of laugh tracks passed out to be used randomly and loudly announcing the start of Our ‘distraction’ approach.
when i start having a visual migraine, lots of things happen, one being i don’t recognize normally used words. my eyes wander, making reading hard.
for this dumb afflicted bird, someone please re-word? i canna comprehend. tx.
“It will be the litmus test from the top: Donald Trump’s myths cannot fail, they can only be failed.”
“It will be the litmus test from the top: Donald Trump’s myths cannot fail, they can only be failed.”
Translation.
It is a matter of zeal and loyalty.
Gaetz is a great pick (as are all the others)
because they are Trump’s picks
Trump is not wrong,
he cannot be seen to be wrong,
and is irreproachable.
Should there be any failure associated with Trump getting any of his picks,
then the fault will lie entirely upon those who should have been loyal,
should have been zealous in their loyalty,
and in some way some how have been not up to the task required of them.
Proposed gloss:
‘Donald Trump’s myths cannot fail’ = There is no Trumpworld test to falsify such dogma.
‘they can only be failed.’ = Normie-world evidence etc. is likely insufficient to validate Trump myth; that’s conclusive proof that such evidence is hooey, and fails to qualify for MAGA truthfulness.
OFFS.
Donnie wants Pete Hoekstra to be ambassador to Canada.
I’m pretty sure Canada can refuse to honor Hoekstra’s ‘credentials’, but that would start a tit-for-tat fiasco which Putin will love. Hoekstra will also exacerbate already existing trade issues (i.e. lumber, among others) so I’m pretty sure Trudeau will find a way to keep Pete siloed on the sidelines.
This may be Trump trying to bring all of the MIGOP back fully under the Trump umbrella since the MIGOP ditched mega-Trumper former party chair Kristina Karamo for Pete Hoekstra.
Hoekstra has been an ambassador before, btw; this nomination might be the only moderately sane one so far.
He was ambassador to the Netherlands where he caused all sorts of embarrassment. I’d agree he’s saner, but that is a mighty low bar with this crew.
True, low bar, but we know we can survive Hoekstra as an ambassador.
The announcement was unadulterated bullshit. The once undocumented Hoekstra, of Dutch immigrant stock, was not particularly welcome or successful in the Netherlands. In particular, he pissed off Dutch journalists, who had to keep reminding him where he was, and that in the Netherlands, he had to answer questions, not just spit out canned talking points. He never learned.
As important as the relationship with the Dutch is, the ambassador isn’t as busy as he would be in say, Burkino Fasso. Big-time foreign affairs issues are largely handled at the EU level. In Canada, though, Pete will be busy. It’s the single most important relationship the US has. Trade, immigration, and open borders dominate, which means he won’t have much room to maneuver. Poor Pete. It’s cold in Ottawa this time of year.
Apologies, “Burkina Faso.”
Reminding him where he was and what his status was also came from the Government because of his interference in domestic politics by involving himself with the activities of a far right political party “Forum for Democracy”—
including hosting a fundraising event for them at the Embassy on 10 September 2020. It was referred to by an attendee as a kick off event for the electoral campaign with elections due in March 2021.
https://www.politico.eu/article/pete-hoekstra-us-ambassador-under-fire-for-hosting-dutch-far-right-bash/
Others believed it was a fundraiser, which would violate international law.
The Party was founded 2016, contested the 2017 elections and gained 2/150 seats in the House of Representatives. In the 2019 elections for the Senate they gained 12/75 seat and improved their position in the EU Parliament having had 3 seats by defections and gained 1.
In the 2021 elections for Representatives they gained 6 seats.
Hoekstra had had many contacts with the party leader prior to the September event which was attended by 40 or so people with none from any other political party.
Dude. Hoekstra lives in a portion of Michigan which was forecast to get 4″ of snow today, a point roughly a 3 hour drive from Canada.
Ottawa will not be difficult for him as it’s a 5-hour drive straight east.
The real beneficiary of Hoekstra as ambassador to Canada would be Michigan which shares a sizeable border with Canada including the largest bodies of fresh water in North America.
The question I have is whether existing treaties protecting that fresh water and it’s ecosystem will be respected if Hoekstra gets approved.
They will be tested to see just what political line the Canadians will defend. It’s not just Pete here, but the entire administration will operate in full arschloch mode.
“Cold” as in reception.
Reply to earlofhuntingdon
21NOV2024 11:03 am
In the same province which elected Doug Ford as premier? Meh.
This is terrifying, the possibility that putting Gaetz into power will just extinguish truth.
For Mifsud’s lawyer, Stephan Roh, who Papadopouloses wrote was the source of claim of Mifsud being a Western intelligence asset, Scott Stedman detailed suspicious ties in his book “Real News”:
In the clip with Jordan questioning Mueller, Mueller testified about Roh: “I can’t get into that.”
For decades Republicans have been saying government is too big, spends too much, too much waste, etc.
I can’t wait to see them try to serve just their 70 million voters, many of them in areas with precarious weather and other conditions. And then there’s the other 300 million or so.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-vivek-ramaswamy-outline-231614768.html
It’s all because of ex-wives, Musk Said Bezos’ Ex-Wife, MacKenzie Scott, Was a Reason ‘Western Civilization Died’
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/fact-check-musk-said-bezos-222000259.html
Those guys need to grow up. It isn’t all about them and their problems.
Gaetz was once upon a time the future AG.
Is he now to be a future Senator from Florida?
If nominated by DeSantis in the place of Rubio, I believe that the Senate has the power not to seat him?
Lordy, the House ethics report must be REALLY bad for Gaetz to withdraw. It will leak eventually, given the huge number of folks in the House and Senate he has alienated.
On the plus side, he can’t un-resign from the House. Or can he?
Gaertz was re-elected, by 2 to 1, and can assume his seat Jan. 3, although I suppose late revelations could create a movement not to accept him.
The Senate has that power. But there is no way that a Republican-controlled Senate wouldn’t seat Gaetz. (Even a Democratic one would probably seat him.) It’s probable, though, that GOP Senators will engage in behind-the-scenes lobbying of DeSantis not to appoint Gaetz. Gaetz is one of the few Florida Republicans who’d be in danger of losing to a Democratic challenger.
If Senate Goopers were going to approve Gaetz, Trump would not have withdrawn his name and forced Gaetz to fall on his sword. It’s not in Trump to backtrack unless he has no other option. He will seek his revenge, though.
Gaetz is withdrawing his name from consideration for AG
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5002448-matt-gaetz-withdraws-attorney-general/
“it is clear that my confirmation was unfairly becoming a distraction to the critical work of the Trump/Vance Transition.”
Matt Gaetz’s nomination was intended as a distraction, so his argument holds no water. Trump’s people must have finally reviewed the report, talked with Gaetz, done the Senate math, and cut him loose, because he was hurting the brand. Gaetz would not have jumped ship without being pushed.
What if he was on fire?
Poor headline choices seen across the web: “Gaetz pulls out”
Gaetz Gets While the Gettin’ is Good.
There are just SO many next lines, and all of them are filthy.
Riffing on an REM album title:
Ought to Matt (ick!) for the peep-hole”
Who’s likely to be the in-some-ways-as-bad-or-worse second choice?
Some are predicting Aileen CANNON.
Pam Bondi. Corrupted decades ago.
Folks, I know this is bad timing, but in about 20 minutes, I’m going to temporarily shut down comments here, as we’re going to do some planned maintenance. Hopefully it won’t take too long.
How did it come to this? “Wickedness prospers when good people do nothing”. Looking at you, Merrick garland.