Tie Game: WaPo’s Polls and Maggie’s Misinformation
According to the calendar, there is exactly a month left to the 2024 campaign.
According to math, Donald Trump has less than 5% of his campaign left (31 of 721 days).
Kamala Harris has 28% of her campaign left (31 of 107 days).
The timing is a point raised in this NBC story, which describes that, after having taken the last 76 days to introduce the Vice President to voters, the campaign now plans to ratchet up negative advertising about how unfit Trump is to be President.
Leaning more heavily into negative campaigning is a strategic shift for Harris. While she has routinely been critical of Trump since becoming a candidate in July, and before that as President Joe Biden’s running mate, much of her campaign’s focus has been on defining her and explaining her record to voters.
Harris campaign officials said they intend to continue laying out her policy positions, background and plans if she were to win the presidency — and increasing negative messaging is oftentimes a natural evolution in a presidential campaign as the candidates make their closing arguments.
But emphasizing what Harris campaign officials view as Trump’s major vulnerabilities is seen as possibly one of the only ways to finally win over some voters who haven’t made up their mind in a static race that Democrats want to push in their direction.
[snip]
Harris campaign officials noted that, with less than four months as a candidate, she had to compress what typically would have been a longer introduction of herself before moving more negative messaging to help persuade and turn out voters.
Trump has been running almost entirely negative advertising about Harris for months. She can now, finally, just 76 days into her campaign, start focusing more on how unfit he is.
That’s one of the realities of running a 107 day campaign against a guy who has campaigned for the decade after his reality TV career started to go south. The two candidates are, and have always been, running at different paces.
CNN has a pretty good wrap-up of what’s coming in the next month, broken down into the following sections:
- Where they’re spending money
- Turnout
- Campaign surrogates
- Improving economy
- Impact of Hurricane Helene on voting
- International developments
- Trump’s attempts to cheat again
- How to register
WaPo and NYT, however, are having a harder time contemplating what comes next.
WaPo’s story asks whether all the money Harris is spending will make a difference. It has six paragraphs (including the first and last) plus a nifty graphic that focus on polling showing Harris’ monetary advantage has not yet made a difference. It has seven paragraphs, plus another nifty graphic, on advertising, though doesn’t mention the strategic shift that NBC reports.
Yet it takes 22 paragraphs (of around 35) before WaPo gets around to the thing that may make the difference in a race that polls show is a statistically tied race: Turnout.
On this score, Harris’s aides believe Trump has a higher hill to climb, as the political realignment of the last decade has allowed Democrats to make inroads among more habitual voters. That is one of the reasons Democrats believe they outperformed expectations in the 2018 and 2022 midterm elections.
“Trump specifically has an electorate that requires a big campaign in some ways. Part of that is because a lot of the people they need to get are sporadic voters,” said a senior Harris strategist, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal data. “They are definitionally harder to reach.”
Trump’s aides, for their part, argue that Harris is the one with the turnout problem.
“They better hope they have a ground game, because they’ve got hundreds of thousands of voters in every single swing state who haven’t cast a vote since the 2020 election in any election and they’re not getting a mail ballot this time,” Blair said.
The Harris campaign claimed in late September to have 330 offices and more than 2,400 staff. They completed 25,000 weekend volunteer shifts on the final weekend of last month, contacting over 1 million voters over three days and completed the 100,000th event of the campaign. Blair said the Trump campaign has more than 300 “Trump Force 47” offices for hundreds of paid staffers. The Trump campaign also claims to have 30,000 highly trained volunteer captains, in addition to other volunteers.
It takes several more paragraphs for WaPo to describe Republicans in three states expressing some concern about field, a central point of Tim Alberta’s profile of the campaign before Biden dropped out, which Hugo Lowell has been describing for weeks, and which Josh Marshal has turned to more recently.
What he has seen from the campaign, he said, is signing up some volunteers to recruit others. “I still think Trump has a slight edge here, so I don’t know if there’s a great deal of concern, but I think it is really close,” Hall said. He said the resource disparity on spending, and the ground game concerns, still give him some pause about the outcome.
There are also concerns in Michigan, three prominent Republicans said, at a lack of volunteers and organization from the Trump campaign. In Arizona, GOP Chairwoman Gina Swoboda has raised concerns privately, but she said in a statement she is now confident.
No one knows how this will turn out. But if the polls really are close to neck-and-neck (something very much in question, for a number of reasons) what will determine the election will be who gets a larger share of their seemingly same number of supporters to the polls. It’s not the polls that matter, it’s the field operation, because voting matters, not polling.
NYT’s version of the same story at least gets that part of the equation correct.
With polling averages showing all seven battleground states nearly tied, many Democrats believe their biggest advantage may be an extensive ground game operation that their party has spent more than a year building across the country.
But it parrots Trump’s claim (Maggie is on the byline) that Bibi Netanyahu’s belligerence and the aftermath of Hurricane Helene will win the race for him.
Mr. Trump’s campaign thinks that recent events — the escalating conflict in the Middle East and deadly hurricanes that have killed more than 200 people across the Southeast — will give them an edge in the final weeks.
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In contrast, Trump aides see recent events as reinforcing their central campaign message that Ms. Harris is unprepared, weak and incapable of restoring the sense of calm that the Biden administration promised when elected four years ago.
Again, Maggie is on the byline. Perhaps that’s why NYT doesn’t bother to ask — or even point out — that GOP governors throughout the affected region have had high praise for the response of the Biden-Harris team. How would a very competent, bipartisan response to a catastrophe that affected two key swing states hurt Harris, a journalist might ask?
The answer is that Trump and his flunkies have shamelessly used the disaster to spread disinformation, so much so that local conservative officials are begging national right wingers to stop making things more difficult, something CNN (among other outlets, including local ones) has covered. This should be a comment about Trump’s plan to use disinformation; it’s not.
Perhaps relatedly, in the third paragraph of this story, NYT explains why Hillary’s superior financial and turnout advantages in 2016 didn’t result in victory … without mentioning that NYT (as well as a bunch of other outlets) did the work of Russian spies by spending the last month of the campaign talking about John Podesta’s risotto recipe.
In some ways, the two approaches mirror the final days of the 2016 race, when Hillary Clinton’s campaign boasted about a massive, data-driven field organization while Mr. Trump pressed a national message based on stoking anti-immigrant sentiment and improving the economy with a relatively meager staff and almost no field operation in the key states. Mr. Trump, of course, prevailed, helped by the F.B.I. director’s reopening of an inquiry into the Democratic nominee’s emails.
It’s one thing to pretend, as Joe Kahn is, that NYT is not publishing the documents Iran stole because they’re less newsworthy than Hillary’s discussions, years before 2016 but years after 2008, of how she might run in 2016. It’s another thing to simply ignore how useful NYT was to Russian spies in 2016, to pretend that didn’t also weigh down Hillary’s campaign as she tried to defeat ongoing hacks and a flood of disinformation about stolen private emails.
Meanwhile, yet another story bylined by Reid Epstein that insists views on the economy will be determinative doesn’t mention that Trump’s lead on the issue is narrowing, and in at least one poll, has disappeared.
Republicans acknowledge they are being outspent on television and out-organized on the ground in the key states — yet they say Mr. Trump’s strength on the economy and immigration may be enough for him to overcome those structural deficits.
Surveys indicate that Republicans still hold an advantage on economic issues, even as inflation slows, gas prices drop and the Federal Reserve slashes interest rates for the first time in four years. Public opinion on immigration has also swung to the right during the Biden administration, with more Americans saying they support tougher enforcement measures to crack down on illegal immigration.
If it’s true, Reid, that whoever polls better on this wins, shouldn’t you start reporting that polling on this is narrowing?
NYT gets that field may matter. Then it serves as a vehicle for or espouses garbage claims.
Kamala Harris still has 28% of her campaign left to get voters to the polls; even as he’s falling behind on field, Trump has a fraction of that. Which may be why he’s selling the con that that a disaster relief effort that puts all of Trump’s to shame would reflect badly on Harris.
Again, there’s a lot of good reporting linked in this post. Check out CNN. Read the pieces on Republicans fighting back against Republican disinformation. Read Marshall’s assessment of whether Trump’s odd approach to field might work. Or consider the implication of the NBC piece: For some very important reasons dictated by the brevity of her campaign, Harris had to hold off on certain things that you might have seen earlier in a different campaign.
it is absolutely ridiculous that adjudicated sexual assaulter, adjudicated business fraudster, who has cheated on ALL of wives – who is a recently convicted 34-count felon who’s awaiting criminal trial for having tried to overthrow the government of the United States, and calls our troops “suckers and losers” – is nearly tied with a former Senator, State AG, and criminal prosecutor for the position of POTUS for the next four years.
Election 2024: Depravity vs Decency
Lincoln Project has already gone negative. One, very effective IMO, tying Helene to Trump-Project 2025 suggestions trimming disaster relief and weather news at the federal level: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjNTurVapSE
Also, negative, amusing but how effective – JD opinions back then, with no stake in things, vs. now as Trump’s VP candidate, on record: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDdkauB47i0
Also, acuity issue gaffes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl7LEdMnGLo
All, https://www.youtube.com/c/TheLincolnProject/videos — includes the above. Putting them out. More there than two days ago!
The Lincoln Project burst on to the scene around 2015-16. There were most like the first Republicans to sound the call against trump. I have been a supporter of theirs since then. They do good work.
Also, George Conway’s PsychoPAC is microbeaming ads on Fox, ESPN, and the Golf Channel into the Bedminster and Mar-a-Lago areas—plus swing states with the sexual predator ad—to accelerate Trump’s dementia, which, as congitive psychologist John Gartner observed six months ago, can only get worse: “The Trump you see today is the best Trump you are ever going to see. It’s all downhill from here.” He and fellow cognitive psychologist Harry Segal have been documenting it for the past five months on their weekly “Shrinking Trump” podcast.
https://youtu.be/yFlTJjR2JC4
https://youtu.be/rkeWRKvJcg8
https://youtu.be/znzKYWN7ptw?feature=shared
https://youtu.be/x1UCSMdhm_0?feature=shared
And now, Doonesbury:
https://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/2024/10/06
The best is when Doonesbury never mentions his name but you know exactly who it’s about.
A very accurate and concise comparison of the Depravity vs Decency Decision we face in this election. It only strengens the analysis of who many Trumpers are. They clearly don’t share the values of the readers of this forum (or of the “good reporting linked in this post”.)
I simplify things to allow myself to grasp these voters:
1. Many like Trumpian behaviour and live vicariously.
2. Others are so angry and alienated that the want Trump acting out.
3. Others just want extreme change is (different of these people want different changes: get rid of immigrants and give me their houses, repress the Blacks and give me their jobs; repress the women and get me laid, puch back the Jews and I’ll get their money…).
Either way, I have never used “American Values” to assess my countrymen. Many, or even most don’t share these values, and what we’re going to find out in a month is whether it’s “many” or “most”..
No. 1 explains most of it. And not just trump: why do people idolize ‘rock stars’?
You are correct.
Just call me irrepressibly naive.
But Trump hasn’t committed the one unforgivable sin in US politics – looking bad on TV. See Biden, Dean, Dukakis, etc. That’s the only measure of fitness for the US media.
That’s a matter of opinion. I find Trump one of the ugliest characters across media; the problem is that his brand relies on a past image — The Apprentice’s CEO — his authoritarian base won’t give up. They don’t care if their daddy figure looks like a goddamned stale cake left out in the fucking rain.
One of the most absurd ways that his base are encouraged not to believe the evidence of their own eyes regarding Trumps decrepitude is via the proliferation of the hagiographic iconography of Trump.
In particular using imagery presenting the inner Trump posed displaying his muscular superhero persona, so drawing upon graphic novel culture, which has always played with the idea of bodily form morphing into its truest manifestation when the supehero persona is called to action.
Reality versus an Iron Dome built of lies. At this point almost nothing can penetrate the rightwing disinformation ecosphere, erected systematically over years of repetition, repetition, repetition and on the premise that the truth is not true.
I highly recommend Ministry of Truth, Steve Benen’s overview of the GOP’s greatest hits. For ammunition leading up to the election, I should have jumped to Chapter 7, which deals with the delusional concept of MAGA strength on “economy.” Benen supplies all you need to argue with those challenging you from the opposite side on this issue.
The fact that this election is even close is disheartening. I keep hoping the polls are completely broken.(which is entirely possible I think).
I honestly can’t imagine how someone reads a post all about how the Washington Post and NY Times are trying to manufacture a narrative of helplessness AND THEN GOES AHEAD AND PROMOTES A NARRATIVE OF HELPLESSNESS!
If you don’t want to pay attention to what MW has written, maybe just go read someone like Ross Douthat?
I wouldn’t wish the inane opinions of Ross Douthat on my worst enemy.
It’s been eerie since at least 2016 how much in lockstep a subset of supposed lefties are with the worst voices from the Times Opinion section.
At some point you have to assume they’re already reading people like Douthat, Brooks and Stephens and nodding along all the time.
Read Stephens’ piece on Jew-Hate yesterday.A pretty good start (for a NYT writer who probably has no first-hand experience. But isn’t that the defining characteristic of NYT editorials?).
Not the worst piece that I read in The Paper of Record. And that’s about the highest praise I’ve given.
Polls don’t vote. People do.
I guess I wasn’t clear. I’ve always thought the people of this country were basically decent. If it is true that almost half are Trump supporters and not decent, that is what is disheartening.
You were perfectly clear. And you’re doing your best to push the viewpoint of the worst thunbsuckers and concern trolls of the DC pundit class.
It’s embarassing to read this stuff at this point.The goal is to beat these people through organization and ground game, not moan and whine about what the score is now.
Seriously, it’s nothing but self gratification and trying to set oneself up as the smart guy. And in the aggregate, the people who do this are trying to undercut the people on the right side and grease the skids for Trump to eke it out. Don’t join them.
All he said was, its disheartening. I don’t even live in the United States and I agree with that sentiment.
Now all decent Americans need to come together and do the work of getting out the vote for Harris—friends, neighbors, total strangers—whoever you can reach, and convince them to vote. Trump and MAGA have to be stopped, for the future of the U.S. and the world.
BobBobCon-10:14 Yes, the post is about ground game and the three items Marcy linked, two not behind a subscription wall, basically do say the PAC Musk and others funded is the biggest pro-Trump operation. But Harris has money and true believers, so the ground game face-off will happen as it does. But the bottom line is that voters see Trump and see Harris, and Harris need not be that appealing because she’s not Trump. IMO the election is as 2020 was, Trump or not Trump, not Trump winning that time. And that is why negative campaigning works. Or will work, again, this election. It is easier to trash Donald than to tout Kamala. She’s normal, Trump’s not. What she’ll do once elected will show a bit left of Biden IMO. It doesn’t matter. She is not Trump, a Trump this time with a JD attached. So go negative on both, Trump and JD.
But your point get out in the ground game true believers, yes, but I’m not a true believer. It is lesser evil again as ever – to me. So I have already voted. But door-to-door, that is for people who believe different than lesser evil. Personally, I would not be good trying to sell Harris-Walz. It is not a strong positive truly held belief.
Folks in this county have a wide dispersion of values.
Americans do not have decency to all other Americans as a shared value.
Best to find commonality with those you can.
But don’t get disheartened to discover the REAL VALUES of your fellows.
Trumpism is just a time where all these nasty values came out on display.
Don’t be disheartened because this is where we are and this fight is worth fighting.
I love a good fight.
There’s a different kind of ‘poll’: options. In those, Harris is doing fairly well.
Here’s a good backgrounder from Fortune: https://fortune.com/2024/10/03/kamala-harris-trump-latest-polls-swing-states/
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Are they reporting that much of Trump’s “field operation” he has outsourced to Elmo?
Elmo may be delighted to hoover up the private data from Trump supporters he couldn’t get through other means, but his people would be doing it as a job. A campaign’s field operators do it largely out of belief in their candidate and what their victory can mean for their state and party. That seems to give an asymmetrical advantage to the Harris//Walz campaign.
Apologies for not clicking through to the Hugo Lowell citation earlier. Trump’s outsourcing to Elmo is the subject of his article.
On The Majority Report (lefty YouTube/podcast show), they’ve been talking about how Turning Point Action is also involved in the ground game- at least in Arizona. That’s Charlie Kirk’s PAC, and in 2020 they promised to turn out the youth vote there and it didn’t go well at all.
Here’s a clip of MR I watched the other day on this very point.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FLtBw47oMMU&pp
Seder and Vigeland talk about how Kirk was crap at getting out the younger vote for Kari Lake,
and relate that failure to the seeming desperation of Kirk’s current messaging strategy on Trump
(which they then critique as an admission that Trump is an unattractive proposition, but also strategic rubbish in its own terms)
[clip of Kirk]
“You’re not voting for Trump, you’re voting for 5,000 avengers against the administrative state – RFK at CDC, Yay Fuck Fauci “
Kirk – “You’re not voting for Trump, you’re voting for 5,000 avengers against the administrative state – RFK at CDC, Yay Fuck Fauci “
Saw the damnest thing yesterday, as the sun was shining gloriously over the ocean:
A caravan of Trump pickups flying their war flags…
…driving through the Hamptons.
Now that’s two demographic groups that I can’t relate to.
A brief history of Trump’s ground operations failure
I started a bookmark folder in February when it came out that Laura Trump and the other co-chair not only sacked a bunch of experienced staffers but also shelved Ronna McDaniel’s plan for the ground game because Trump thought he would save money, take that and siphon it off to his legal bills.
Originally Kirk convinced Trump that Turning Point could do ALL the battleground states but by May it was apparent he couldn’t deliver and now TP is only focusing on Arizona and Wisconsin.
A lot of GOP operatives were on the record from the get go about their skepticism of Kirk’s ability and angered by how much Trump paid him.
Then, throughout the summer, reports continued to come out about Trump’s lack of a ground game particularly in Georgia where Trump’s falling out with Kemp and his continued digs at him were causing a freak out within the GOP as the plan was to use Kemp’s very effective ground operations for Trump who had no ground operation there of any size or effectiveness.
Then in the end of summer Elmo decided to help Trump with his ground game but that got off to a bumpy start, with vendors just brought on being canned shortly afterwards and a whole new operation set up with new vendors and staffing providers.
That sucked up nearly a whole month and Elmo’s PAC funding the operation didn’t really start rolling out a ground operation till the beginning of September.
Since McDaniel left in January there has been constant fretting by the GOP that not only would Trump’s outsourcing of ground operations possibly cost him the election, but that it would definitely hit down ballot candidates hard.
I optimistically labeled that folder “RNC Eating It’s Self” and I think it’s going to be true. For all the lucky breaks Trump seems to have, there is a pattern and history of his “cost saving” decisions coming around to bite him in the butt and cost him more in the long run.
This is the guy that closed the The Global Health Security and Biodefense unit under the purview of the NSC in 2018, because it was an Obama created money suck according to Trump and pandemics shamdemics.
Trump’s response to Covid very likely lost him the election. And I think his decision to turn the RNC into a legal slush fund focused on “election integrity” will cost him this election too. Penny smart, pound foolish.
Please leave by the door you came in through Mr. Trump.
earlofhuntington 6:11 – Bingo! You pinned the tail on the donkey. And the simple fact is I’m not particularly enamored of Harris, nor Walz, nor Emhoft. Their virtue is not-Trump. Not-JD. Not-Republican. Otherwise, Harris is okay but I like AOC more. So, let the Dem Inner Party true believers do the door knocking. I’d come across as false if trying to tout Harris. Again – She’s okay. She won’t royally fuck things up. So I’ve already voted for her. Is she who I’d want? NO. So vote, bless the true believers, my measure is not-Trump, not-JD, with JD perhaps the long term worry – he’s smart and dogmatic. Trump is a lesser mind and bumping around but a danger. JD is an ideologue and young for a career politician. And he’ll say anything to advance. Both are white exceptionalists. I see that as a false belief.
IANACS (I am not a campaign strategist, nor a marginal voter), but I hope that Harris/Walz continue to articulate a positive vision for the future rather than pivoting too hard to an anti-Trump campaign, which would serve to put him in the spotlight – his oxygen – and further platform his disinfo. The Harris campaign did such a great job out of the gate conjuring an uplifting message and painting Trump as weak and the GOP wonksphere as weird. For a few blissful weeks, Trump was no longer the headline and his power diminished with it.
The Harris campaign has shown a huge amount of flexibility and knowledge in tailoring its messages for specific audiences.
I wouldn’t get too hung up on what the big national media operations like the NY Times and CNN are saying the Harris “message” is because most of the time they’re either repeating the same things they’ve said about Democrats since Dukakis v. Bush, or else they’re recycling what GOP operatives are telling them the Harris message is.
For a clearer picture, go to the local press in the states where they’re fighting.
Fair comment, well taken.
Ask Hillary how it went by spending the last 2 months of her campaign simply hammering the “Trump man bad” message. It lost her the election. The only reason why Biden got away with doing the same exact thing in 2020 was because of COVID and GOTV in 3 key swing states was enough to eke it over the line.
Please folks, don’t urge Harris to spend the next 30 days wasting her energy on a “Trump man bad” message. It is 100% GOTV in AZ, GA, MI, NC, NV, PA and WI that will determine this election. No other state matters.
Ri-ight. That was the only thing that cause a record undervote in Michigan in 2016 when 80K people voted for neither candidate at the top of the ticket and Trump won the state by 10K votes — just HRC “bad man”-ing that last month.
It’s like there wasn’t any Russian influence operations whatsoever. -__-
Another soon-to-be-major hurricane is heading for roughly the same part of Florida’s Gulf coast that was hit by Helene. This one – Milton – is forecast to cross Florida from west to east, rather than move north across the panhandle into the inland southeastern US.
This will raise the profile of FEMA and the role of the federal government in disaster preparedness and support, building on the same issues raised by Helene. (And no, Donald, FEMA did not take disaster money and give it to illegal aliens.)
But both hurricanes will have a significant effect on the election itself. From E&E News:
The same kind of effect on turnout will also play into things in Florida, affecting both the presidential race and also the Senate race there. Add in Milton, and this will only make the turnout issues stronger.
Money spent on voter turnout in these hurricane-hit areas could be very, very important — and very, very damaging to the assumptions made by pollsters. How do you model an election in that kind of context?
Currently forecast to make landfall in Tampa as a Cat 3 on Friday morning, October 9. Yikes!
Lots of time for wiggles north or south, so I wouldn’t get hung up on Tampa specifically. The whole coast is going to get hammered when Milton arrives, and it will continue causing havoc as it crosses the state.
I meant WEDNESDAY morning, October 9, not Friday.
As a sometimes-statistician may I state that on average you are correct?
For the past 24 hours of forecasts it was estimated to hit the Florida coast early morning Thursday Oct 10; the Monday 10pm CDT update has landfall of the eye closer to 10pm Wednesday evening. That would mean outer bands mid-afternoon Wednesday.
https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/graphics_at4.shtml?start#contents
If the eye hits Tampa/St. Pete/Clearwater or anywhere up to maybe 100 miles north, Tampa Bay will get hit with a record storm surge (10-15′) that might possibly funnel up the bay and grow even higher. In the last 6 hours, it appears that several of the individual models have moved their prediction a bit south, so now the ensemble prediction is Tampa or a bit south, so possibly not catastrophic storm surge in that metropolitan area of 3.2M people. We might not know until Wednesday morning because the models have Milton turning a bit left to the north Wednesday morning.
If you want to doom-scroll this or other hurricanes, I recommend cyclocane as one resource: https://www.cyclocane.com/milton-storm-tracker/
The tracks all send send Milton completely across Florida along the I-4 corridor, and still a hurricane when it emerges over the Atlantic. That means hitting both Tampa and Orlando, 2 substantial hunks of blue votes. In terms of the election, I’m a bit worried that DeSantis and Byrd might not be fully dedicated to extraordinary measures to ensure that those storm-affected voters can vote.
Its an unnecessary tragedy for those who live there, but it is a hard rain that’s gonna fall.
It would be truly ironic if a climate-change-driven catastrophe caused the GOP to lose the election.
President Biden defeated the incumbent in 2020 by 4.5%. The polls show this election will be similar.
In 2020, there was not a deep division in the Republican party. Biden and the incumbent were about the same age, Biden was older.
There is going to be a Dodds pro choice vote. It can be predicted. There is going to be a vote by people ages 19-44. The Democratic candidate is 18 years younger than the Republican nominee. The magnitude of the effect cannot be predicted.
Ms. Wheeler’s survey of the reporting in the national news outlets is incredibly valuable to many of us who cannot afford to subscribe to those outlets. But rather than compare the present contest to 2016, we might be better served in comparing this election to 1984. Walter Mondale did not make a major issue of Reagan’s y notable decline. Reagan was the incumbent. And he was respected even though not all of his policies were well thought out. Reagan had an effective VP, who eventually won the Presidency in his own right.
I have serious reservations about whether the poll makers can get a random sample of voters, and whether many of them are even trying to be scientific.
I doubt field operations are going to matter. Organic opinion networks are probably going to generate turnout in excess of 2020s 66%. There is no substantial covid risk now.
My takeaway—EW contends that Harris spent the early percentage of her time establishing her bonafides (damn successfully, I think), and with a month to go is preparing to go negative. That strikes me as being strategic and disciplined, with strong ability to prioritize.
It begs the question, can Trump be destroyed with negative ads in 30 days?
Harris has held off on the “too old, too senile” pitch so far, but Trump laid the groundwork for that campaign against Biden, and there are plenty of clips of his gibbering Hannibal Lecter quotes to push this point. Plus, he’s afraid to debate because he’ll demonstrate his inability to be coherent, so Harris can either bash his strongman persona for his cowardice, or get him to show up on stage and babble again on camera—win/win.
No. Probably not. But he is helping things by being especially fascistic.
That said, virtually every outlet treated the Butler rally like a coronation.
Just another reminder about this film. Hope it’s offered for streaming soon after it opens on Friday, 10/11.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tXEN0WNJUg
“The Apprentice | Official Trailer | Exclusively in Theaters October 11”
from the trailer, Roy Cohn’s rules:
1. attack, attack, attack
2. admit nothing, deny everything
3. no matter what happens you claim victory, and never admit defeat
4. you have to be willing to do anything to anyone to win
There is an excellent documentary that just came online again. Trump has been threatening them with lawsuits forever. He even sued my friend who built the website. It’s called “Trump, What’s The Deal?” and you can learn more at https://trumpthemovie.com/ – you can buy or rent the movie on Amazon or iTunes. Really worth a watch.
Fun trailer!
Roy Cohn was always like this, even before Donald (Cohn worked for Fred Trump, so just imagine a father hooking his favorite child up with this monster; fatherly love from Fred to Donald!).
Wayne Barrett used to follow these characters for the Village Voice. Cohn was in the closet, not supporting the fight on AIDS, WHILE HE HAD IT!
Roy liked young boys, Donald young [trafficed] girls. A match made in hell.
With early voting it seems election day weather and voting lines will matter more to late Republicans. Luke warm Republicans. I have already voted. Is it common for other commentators here?
We, just now, received our Mail-in Ballots. I stopped voting in person after 2016. Waiting in line to vote, I overheard the anxious discussions of the possibility of Trump winning the election. I, and my hubris, dismissed this as UWS hand-wringing. I was wrong. I had underestimated the decline of the electorate, journalism, institutions (Did I leave any out?). I’ll never make that error of hubris and observation again. When they go low, now I understand that they are just on their way lower. There’s no bottom, as it has become fashionable to say.
I live in rural SW MI, about half a mile from the township hall where the dropbox is.’
Most of the cars (when there are any) in the parking lot have Trump stickers.
I’m nervous about putting my ballot in there, even though I don’t see how they would know I’m a liberal because I’ve only had a couple interactions with them.
I know my ballot is tracked, and they have to scan it when they get it, but since my name is on the outside of it, what would prevent them from just tossing it after they scan it if they wanted to?
I voted in person in 2020 for just this reason, but I know it’s not risk-free in case something might come up on or near Election Day that prevents me from voting (my father is in poor health in another state).
Anybody have advice or reassurance they would share?
I live in MD & our ballots are tracked. I chose to mail my ballot last election & found that they emailed me both when my ballot was received & when it had been counted. I previously used the drop box outside the early voting location & I’m pretty sure I got emails for both receipt & tabulation as well. I dropped it off late on election day & received the email several days later. It’s very red where I live, so red they only have a republican representative, so red one democratic governor called us the shithouse side of MD. I hope this is helpful to you.
So I literally just completed pollworker training today in Michigan.
A couple of things. Pollworkers are required to provide a party affiliation, and at virtually all stages of the process, it is required that a Democrat and a Republican are present. This is one of the consistent throughlines — there is always someone from both major parties in the room. (There is also a very good chance that there will be additional partisan election monitors present.)
Also, while there is a ballot number logged to your name, that number is detached from the actual ballot right before scanning, so a ballot that has been counted cannot be tied to a voter. The only reason the number is there is so that they can tell that your ballot was returned, which is what keeps you from returning an absentee ballot, and then going to vote in person.
There are a whole bunch of cross checks regarding total numbers of ballots sent, returned, scanned, and counted — it would be very difficult to “disappear” a ballot. (As with all things, fraud on a very small scale fraud is always possible, but it would be exceedingly difficult to do something on a scale that would actually matter.)
BTW, because of the requirement for pollworkers of both parties being present, I should mention that clerks are *always* looking for more Democrats to work in Western MI, and more Republicans to work in Eastern MI — use that info as you will.
Finally — pollworker training is free and open to the public, so if you have election concerns you might find it heartening to sit through a class. What you will see is a lot of people of different political views all sincerely trying hard to make the machinery of democracy work for everyone.
Thank you, PH and Magnet, that was very informative and nice of you to reply.
I’ve been knocking doors. I’m in a blue area w a tight USHouse race we won by 1300 votes in 2022. I don’t have a large sample yet but when I talk to Dems there is fear and motivation. The unaligned voters seem to be going blue. An R here and there voting blue. Hard core Rs not. The Dems have been so welcoming. I feel appreciated.
There are a ton of people making reports like this about how much people are ready for a different narrative from the usual doomcasting. It’s things like Harris signs popping up where they hadn’t been before, people handing out pamphlets, nervous voices from diehard Republicans.
And yet on a day when Vanderbilt beat Alabama, we still have a few people feeling it necessary to opine before the game why even bother playing? Searching for a reason to make the players who are suiting up to doubt themselves.
At this point, it’s game on.
Doomcasting has a defined lifecycle…
…because it’s so exhausting
…and requires so much denialism.
OT, but not as OT as you might think.
WFMT is a Chicago radio station that features classical music, except for three hours on Saturday nights. They have a show every Saturday evening at 9pm (CT) called “The Midnight Special” that they describe like this:
The Midnight Special was a standard part of my college life. The late Steve Goodman was a regular feature (“The City of New Orleans,” “A Dying Cub Fan’s Last Request”, and many more), and the Saturday after he died, the whole 3 hours was built around him. I don’t think my eyes were dry for a minute, and neither were those of the folks hosting the show.
This week, their description of tonight’s show is this:
Kris Kristofferson was a big reason both Steve Goodman and John Prine made the jump from local Chicago artists to folks who mattered on the national music scene. And Bernice Johnson Reagon . . . well, if you don’t know her, you damn well should.
Listen on WFMT’s website here.
*raising a glass*
To Bernice, Kris, Steve, John, and all the musicians who make their audiences sit up and think!
*ding!*
The theme song to the documentary Eyes on the Prize by Sweet Honey in the Rock said it all:
“The only thing that we did right
Was the day that we began to fight…”
It’s crazy to read people intent on taking MW’s post about the vital point of fighting the ground game, and deciding their number one insight is that everyone should focus instead on the loons out there.
Screw that kind of wannabe savvy smart guy stuff. Keep your eyes on prize, hold on, hold on.
I’ll point out that before the march on Selma, there were plenty of wannabe savvy types in Georgetown and Manhattan who wrung their hands that this was the time for carefully thinking about the challenges ahead, and remebering just how daunting things might be.
Keep your eyes on the prize.
I’ve been watching the recently uploaded original Midnight Specials on youtube. Back when people actually played instruments and sang without Fraudotune.
You had me at “Kris Kristofferson”
A modern-day Renaissance Man.
As if there is anything Renaissance about modern days.
We can aspire, I guess.
It is painful to do, but all you need to do is tune in to Fox “news” between 5-10 PM any night to see how it’s close. There you will see how the country is a hellscape of illegal rapist immigrants eating pets, stealing jobs, while the incompetent blackIndian lady who destroyed the economy by raising prices on everything from gas to groceries while letting illegals pour across our undefended borders because she’s a marxifascidemonspawn who not only allows babies to be murdered after birth, but eats them, too.
It’s really not hard at all. If all you ever see is THAT (it’s saturated on all social media platforms, and is also being promoted by MSM outlets like the NYT, WaPo and local news stations), it’s really, really easy to see how it’s this close.
Totally frightening, even.
Absolutely right. It’s not just that they put a negative spin on things; they describe an (imaginary) dystopian hellscape that’s much worse than Bladerunner, and it’s all the Democrats’ fault; they want it that way to oppress you and because the thugs and criminals support them. It’s so far from the real world that there’s no going back to reality for these people; maybe six months or a year w/o the right-wing media, either directly or indirectly, would do it, but even then, I’m not sure. That’s why Trump’s favorability can’t be budged by more than a few tenths of a percent, which may be enough in the right places – and why turnout for Democrats is so critical.
“it’s saturated on all social media platforms…Totally frightening, even.”
It must have been at least 10 years ago that I stopped participating in Alt-Right blogs. I found it informative to see what was going on (and how to prepare).
I think I even scared myself by what I heard.
You know, they don’t like us.
Or want us around.
When I was knocking doors today, I came across a wayward MAGA candidate piece on the ground by a door, so I picked it up and left our pieces instead. On the MAGA card were exactly the words “. . .will lower the cost of gas and groceries” and inflammatory words about immigrants. That is exactly all they are campaigning on. I really want to know what the House can do about grocery and gasoline prices. I had some angry people (still hitting a few R doors) but again, Democrats are solid, and non-aligned voters, going blue.
Meanwhile, Harry Enten points out that only 28% of us think the country is on the right track. From there he asserts that nobody wins with that number. Hope he’s wrong.
You can certainly be a strong Democrat and think the country is on the wrong track thanks to the rise of the MAGA right and Trump. The Republicans have replaced Congress with a joke – not so good there. Heading towards a potential nationwide ban on abortion and maybe IVF? No thanks!!
I don’t think that 28% number solely reflects the public’s views of the *Democratic* agenda. For a lot of us, it reflects our views of the increased popularity of the current Republican agenda.
Worthless poll, worthless number, unless you credibly ask what the “right track” is and which party would get us there.
To follow up on that, giving one of many possible concrete examples as to why the “right track” rubric is too vague and overbroad:
it is perfectly reasonable for a respondent to believe that Biden has done good stuff, and Harris will do to, but the deep pockets of MAGA embedded in various State institutions and in other positions of power and influence means the country as a whole is far from being on the right track yet.
I’ll say we’re on the wrong track until new housing built meaningfully exceeds population growth plus housing stock loss and fascists don’t have a realistic chance of winning election, but that doesn’t mean I’m ever voting for Republicans.
I think a lot of people my age and younger (Millennial, not to be too specific) have vaguely similar sentiments. Right track/wrong track numbers don’t seem so helpful at that point.
I’d add that I’ll believe the US has a ‘good’ economy when the Maryland Food Bank stops sending me appeals claiming that some fantastic percentage of the state’s children are food insecure.
My stock portfolio is doing great but, as Harry Hopkins used to say during the Depression: People don’t eat in the long run. They eat every day.
I heard a similar type of poll the other day. “For the first time the majority of voters (52%) think the election will have fraud.” Something like that. It turns out that the majority of Rs (88% as I recall) think that, and minorities of everyone else thinks that by small percentages (I did not hear those numbers, maybe 20-something percent of Ds and Independents, not sure. But Rs skew the poll. So crazy.
Having watched politics for most of my life, sometimes the strangest things determine how people vote. Given many people support Trump, regardless of how crazy he sounds, it is doubtful they will be changing their minds. On the other hand there are prominent Republicans who are supporting Harris. In a tight race, every vote does count. My take is, it will be all about getting the vote out. In British Columbia, back in the day, a sitting politician lost by one vote. A few federal elections ago, one candidate won by about under 50 votes.
There are major issues facing Americans, any number of them could be the deciding factor, depending upon how they impact individuals. You may not care about much except the right to control your own body, if some one you know died due to the inability to obtain medical services because they were banned. On the other hand, some in storm areas, who have lost their homes and no longer are able to obtain insurance, will have another point of view.
Sitting just North of the 49th parallel it is hoped Vice President Harris will be the next President.
Thanks Dr Wheeler (Marcy!). It is 6:45 AM here. I am off to pick up 3 volunteers here in Chicago to drive to Michigan for canvassing all day for Kamala. Let’s all do what we can.
Thank you all!
The broad polling on ‘who is trusted more’ would be more distressing if I didn’t also keep in mind the target of the two campaigns is a sliver of voters in seven states.
The normalization of CFTFG’s crimes against the rule of law only applies to people, who, three plus years later see the attempt to violently retain power as a colorful but over-exposed episode ‘way’ back in past American history.
Nevertheless, the footage of J6* should dominate the communication channels, and, I’m still waiting for the epic supercut of Trump’s craziest statements. Harris/Walz could point out their opponent is closely following the fascist playbook.
*Associated Press’s compendium: https://apnews.com/projects/january-6-cases/
Why has DOJ not asked judges for jail him till trial?
If you or I committed J6 or refused to hand over docs, would DOJ not ask…
Is there something I don’t understand?
Also he’d demand quick trial.
Aren’t there certain crimes where no bail is provided for release pending trial?
And since he’s not in jail, does DOJ feel he’s a danger to the country and jail him?
And since he’s not in jail, at what point does DOJ feel he’s a danger to the country and jail him?
LOL. It’s not up to the DoJ, though it might be under Trump. The courts don’t work that way. You’ve been around here long enough to know that.
I’m not comfortable treating Trump’s core support monolithically. I think it’s a coalition of The Aggrieved (MAGA fascists who are happy burning it all down) and Romney Republicans (financially-driven conservatives who fear people with browner skin are coming to take their stuff). Will endorsements from the Cheneys and others (actual or implied) turn the RRs either toward Harris/Walz or at least away from Trump? Do polls accurately reflect RRs in their conversions of RVs to LVs?
I suspect many of his supporters are not just Fox addicted but could be otherwise well meaning people but are incapable of critical thinking and want a daddy figure. Weirdly there is a meme on FB with a flag, The frocking guy and only one word: DADDY. These people are easily led down any road with fear and have no other source of information. The good news from this E. Wa. conservative, small town is I that I have seen only one trump campaign sign. I don’t drive around much.
Peter Baker has just dropped a story in The NY Times questioning Trump’s mental acuity.
The article goes through the litany of worrying signs: the rambling and incoherence, the forgetfulness, the declining vocabulary. The article also acknowledges that, in contrast to Biden’s soft voice and jerky stride, Trump’s strong voice and confident stride hide the possibility of cognitive decline.
The article may be too little and too late. But it will surely anger Trump.
Shady Vance is coming to my area courtesy of Moms for Liberty.
“Don’t come home until your dick is wet.”
–Moms for Liberty founder Bridget Ziegler’s message to her husband out cruising for a threesome
MAGA Christian family values!
Folks should be aware that the polling aggregators are once again being flooded by flawed, biased polls whose sole purpose is to move the averages and forecasts in Trump’s favor.
Simon Rosenberg had a great overview of this in yesterday’s (10/5) Hopium Chronicles.
What this means is from now until election day, polling averages cannot be trusted.
Be prepared for numerous headlines proclaiming Harris’ support is “collapsing”, and Trump is “surging”.
I don’t have network TV -has anyone seen any ads from any entity focusing on Jan 6th? To a non-expert, that seems like an obvious target for Harris/anti-Trump groups. Would that focus move the needle at all?
The right wing echo chamber won’t allow any such reality-based, conflicting message to reach their mindless cult followers – and, quite honestly, the followers don’t want to hear it.
I’ve seen a few such ads/vids.
I should’ve been more specific-I know the echo chamber won’t be moved but more with suburban exurban groups that one would think would be mortified by those images.
Do the boots on the ground Trump supporters NOT understand that they are nothing but grist for their preferred candidate’s mill of hate?! Did they really think he only saves such mindless attacks for immigrants in order to keep his campaign of hate, fear, and evil (looking at Stephen Miller) alive?
To state the obvious, no, they don’t understand. (Truly hard to countenance, but there it is. Nor do they want to, actually.)
It’s an age-old playbook: rally the (justifiably-) aggrieved by widespread untruths and false promises, and give them a quick sugar-rush by turning their frustration into hate of some other who is even less advantaged than themselves. Add in a bunch of off-the-wall cultists who believe (among other things) that they have found a new Messiah and the Constitution is the spawn of the Devil. Complete the toxic brew with a long-festering seasoning courtesy of the GOP feeling it is in a persistent minority so the only way it can now prevail is by shameless serial finagling (see eg. Tina Peters). The common commodities: fear, hate and lies.
The hope rests in getting the natural majority to defend the high ground by determined turnout, to win over most genuine independents and convince many informed traditional GOP voters that there’s so much more at stake this time round than their usual tribal vote, and to sow confusion among the cultists so at least some of them conclude it’s not worth a candle to vote.
It’s a hard row to hoe, but every little is a step forward, and it can be won, despite the frustrating apparent difficulties.
I keep going back to footnote three in Roberts’ majority opinion. I’ve been a lawyer for 30-plus years, have read it over and over again, and still don’t know what it will mean in real-life practice. A lot of smart commentators haven’t been able to figure it out either.
Whatever it means, there is an enormous amount riding on it. How it gets construed – not just by Chutkan but all the way up the chain – is going to make a huge difference to the viability of this case.
It’s possible that Roberts couldn’t corral enough of his colleagues to agree on something more specific. The cynic in me, on the other hand, thinks Roberts wanted to leave this open-ended on purpose. If that’s true, that means the Court left itself some room to shape that footnote into whatever it wants – depending, of course, on who occupies the Oval Office when the issue comes up.
Drafting language no one can decipher assures the Court that it will get the case back one or more times, so that it can tweak the outcome, depending on how the election comes out.
As you suggest, it leaves lots of wriggle room for the Court. It can agree with a lower court’s guess that it likes, or condemn it for having gotten it so wrong. That’s not judging or lawyering, it’s politickin’.
The way I keep thinking of it is something posted to the door for the next time this comes up, which it is guaranteed to if Kamala wins (at which point Roberts will have less incentive to protect Trump).
Or rather, it was Roberts’ way of dismissing ACB’s obvious point about the flaw in his opinion: it is inconsistent with being able to hold a President accountable for bribery.
Remember, JOHN ROBERTS permitted the subpoena of the Egyptian bank to go forward.
But now that it’s there, when this does come back and it makes the original opinion look ridiculous in the same way that Braun now looks ridiculous, it’s a way to reopen the discussion.
I’m now thinking Kamala Harris waited for the exact right time to engage in the next round of media interviews (both traditional and niche). She has spent from her launch to the debate giving people the fundamentals about her, now she’ll spend a month providing the nuance. She’s playing the trajectory game, Trump is almost entirely playing defense. Entirely different dynamic than ’16 or ’20.
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Maybe not waited so much as still had to do some basic things.
If anyone was to ask me for my opinion (and I’m sure they will not), I would suggest that the Harris/Walz campaign go hard on Trump and Vance’s deceit. There is enough of it in plain sight that you wouldn’t need to work very hard to find it.
They can’t be trusted – nothing they say is true and show example after example (with “lie” over each example and then end with a question – Liars like Trump and Vance have low opinions of the people they lie to. They are lying to you. Why would you trust them lead America?
I’ve not seen any ads that are that direct – and it is Trump/Vance biggest fault and deceit is clearly the most dangerous thing to a democracy.
I suspect if the Harris campaign goes into negative ads that how it is received will depend on how it is presented. I would find it most persuasive (not that I need to be persuaded) if it is without foaming-at-the-mouth drama that the trumph campaign employs. Appeal to us as adults rather than insult us.
Fellow rocket hounds: Musk really needs to get off the ketamine. Just watched him at the trump rally in Butler, PA.
Yikes.
Spec that the NMDA blocker (angel dust = pig tranq = ketamine) is unhinging his mind. The thing is now used by shrinks for clinical depression (which he has) and can literally brain-wipe your mind.
Want my old Elon back — the one who made SpaceX. Not the one who bought twitter. it’s got me depressed .. think maybe I need for some ketamine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD2miskgDK4
He’s the same Elmo.
Yeah, I want the Musk who personally made electric cars viable in the marketplace. I want the Musk who made SpaceX. Who is this guy, even?
There have always been people who loathe Musk, with sound reasons for doing so. “But his brilliance/tech-bro-ness/genius/drive/ etc etc” leaves me a bit cold.
As does admiration for Albert Speer.
Wow! Musk and Speer! Never thought of that perhaps very apt comparison. I happened to Interview Albert Speer at his home outside Heidelberg in ’73 as part of a friend’s doctoral thesis on the Third Reich. If Trump gets re-elected I can imagine Elon at some future date explaining away his support of Trump much the way Albert tried to do then. The German language has a wonderful expression describing folks like Musk and Speer: Fachidioten. Geniuses in their field of study but watch out of they start talking about anything else…
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October 8, 2024 at 12:56 am
I am humbled that someone who has met Speer for research purposes, should regard my observation comparing Musk to him as worthy of consideration.
Speer as architect of the Third Reich, ie composer of the physical space was also constructing the mental architecture for the public sphere the populace would inhabit and project themselves into.
I think that Musk and tech bros uses of and imaginings about technology is also about constructing and shaping the mental architecture of the public sphere, and calculatedly shaping the sense of the future alongside the construction of the superstructures for it.
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October 8, 2024 at 12:56 am
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“Fachidioten. Geniuses in their field of study but watch out of they start talking about anything else…”
Is precisely the concept.
And the monuments they construct express and honour their own genius, and of the party of the strong men to whom they hitch their wagon and purport to be a boon to humankind.
However this monumentalism, has at its core a deliberate element of obliviousness, excusing themselves and others for erasing all thought, consideration and memory of the untermensch, those inconvenient or surplus to requirements in the Volksstaat of their tech driven dreams.
He’s the same guy. Musk has always been a douchebag.
Do you not remember back in 2018 when Musk got offended when the cave divers trying to rescue some stranded kids from a cave in Thailand, didn’t want his publicity-stunt “mini-sub” and he lashed out and called one of the divers “pedo guy” with no evidence whatsoever?