“My Beautiful Christians:” Trump’s Pandering to Christian Nationalists
The other day, during an address to a Turning Point conference, Trump implored,
Christians, get out to vote. You won’t have to do it anymore. Four more years, it’ll be fixed, it’ll be fine. You won’t have to vote anymore my beautiful Christians. I love you. I’m [not/a] Christian.You have to get out and vote. In four years, you won’t have to vote again, we’ll have it fixed so good you’re not going to have to vote.
Horse race journalists didn’t care. They found it more important to repeat and therefore magnify Trump’s latest slur on Vice President Harris.
When I first looked at how NYT covered it at 3:37AM ET, this was their headline.
At 8:311AM, this story from Michael Gold was published. It still focused on magnifying the slurs Trump used against Harris.
That story included Trump’s comment about voting, along with Gold’s spin of it as a claim that Trump would address the concerns of Christian voters sufficiently that they would no longer have to vote, buried in ¶14.
At the end of his speech, Mr. Trump urged the religious crowd to vote in November, suggesting that if elected he would address their concerns sufficiently enough that they would no longer need to be politically active. Earlier, he had lamented that conservative Christians do not vote proportionately to their size, a complaint he has made repeatedly in recent weeks.
“Christians, get out and vote. Just this time,” Mr. Trump said on Friday. “You won’t have to do it anymore, you know what? Four more, years, it’ll be fixed, it’ll be fine, you won’t have to vote anymore, my beautiful Christians.”
Let it be noted that one of NYT’s allegedly professional horserace journalists believes that the white Evangelical Christians who have been among Trump’s most important supporters vote in disproportionately low numbers or that any Republican would forego that most important part of their coalition. (That said, for demographic reasons Trump can’t change with a speech, white Evangelicals make up an increasingly smaller proportion of the voting public, which poses an entirely different kind of threat than apathy.)
Only much later, around noon ET, did Gold figure out that the “not have to vote” stuff was far more newsworthy than Trump calling the Vice President a “bum.”
In spite of disinterest by journalists paid to write horserace stories, the clip went viral on social media, setting off a debate about what Trump meant. Right wing trolls pushed the same horseshit claims of low turnout (again, we’re talking about the in-person and TV audience for a Turning Point conference!) that Gold provided. Others attributed it to Trump’s narcissism, a suggestion that he only cares about votes so long as he would be on the ballot.
Three Sunday morning shows dealt with it — all abysmally.
Martha Raddatz for example, let Chris Sununu dismiss the comments as a “classic Trumpism,” without asking what he meant by “this stuff” when he said it “can be fixed.” Then she went back to the horse race.
There are several things people are ignoring.
First, Trump said something quite similar — and he said it at another Turning Point conference — just a month and a half ago, in Detroit.
Only, at that point, before Joe Biden had dropped out of the race, Trump said,
I said, we don’t need votes. And Charlie Kirk is helping. He’s got his army of young people. These are young patriots. They don’t want to see happen what’s been happening in our country.
Thank you Charlie.
[USA chants]
And I said to Charlie, and I said to Michael [Whatley], listen, we don’t need votes. We’ve got more votes than anybody’s ever had. We need to watch the vote, we need to guard the vote.
We need to stop the steal.
In mid-June, before Biden dropped out, Trump wasn’t concerned about turnout. Now he is.
This comment — to the people Charlie Kirk had assembled to listen to Donald Trump — is best understood as a comment about Trump’s plan to win. As the January 6 Committee discovered, when Trump decided in late December 2020 that he was going to speak and march to the Capitol, Carline Wren turned to Kirk to help turn out bodies. Turning Point was also allegedly used to launder speaking fees to Don Jr and his girlfriend. As it happened, Kirk backed out of attending and deleted his boasts about arranging dozens of busses so others could do so. He pled the Fifth rather than explain to the January 6 Committee anything about all that.
But nevertheless, Charlie Kirk got busloads of people to Trump’s insurrection.
To the extent that Trump needs lots of bodies to be somewhere, Charlie Kirk is a key part of that process. And in June, he wanted them out to surveil polling centers, once again mobilizing Stop the Steal. Friday, he emphasized he actually needs some people to show up to the polls.
Trump’s plans for the election — and how they may have changed with Biden’s departure — is an important background for this. As Tim Alberta described it, after Trump took over the RNC, he got rid of the field organization (potentially dooming down-ticket candidates), and replaced it with Big Lie perpetrators.
The Trump campaign’s takeover of the RNC in March—installing the former president’s daughter-in-law, Lara Trump, as the new co-chair, while establishing LaCivita as chief of staff and de facto chief executive, all of it long before Trump had technically secured the party’s nomination—didn’t sit well with many Republicans. Appearances aside, the imperatives of a presidential campaign are not always aligned with those of the RNC, whose job it is to advance the party’s interests up and down the ballot and across the country. “Party politics is a team sport. It’s bigger than Ronald Reagan or Donald Trump or any one candidate,” said Henry Barbour, a longtime Mississippi committeeman, who has fought to prevent the national party’s funds from going to Trump’s legal defense. “Nobody’s ever going to agree on exactly how you split the money up, but you’ve got to take a holistic approach in thinking about all the campaigns, not just one.”
The RNC under Ronna McDaniel, who chaired the national party from early 2017 until LaCivita’s takeover, had become a frequent target of Trump’s ire. He didn’t like that the party remained neutral in the early stages of the 2024 primary—and he was especially furious that McDaniel commissioned debates among the candidates. But what might have bothered him most was the RNC’s priorities: McDaniel was continuing to pour money into field operations, stressing the need for a massive get-out-the-vote program, but showed little interest in his pet issue of “election integrity.”
“Tell you what,” Trump said to Wiles and LaCivita. “I’ll turn out the vote. You spend that money protecting it.”
The marching orders were clear: Trump’s lieutenants were to dismantle much of the RNC’s existing ground game and divert resources to a colossal new election-integrity program—a legion of lawyers on retainer, hundreds of training seminars for poll monitors nationwide, a goal of 100,000 volunteers organized and assigned to stand watch outside voting precincts, tabulation centers, and even individual drop boxes.
When someone fires all the field staff and instead hires Christina Bobb, it’s a pretty big tell that they don’t plan to win the election the democratic way.
They plan to double down on the Big Lie.
Or they did, before Biden dropped out.
As Alberta noted in a follow-up, Trump’s entire plan revolved around Biden. Now Trump is stuck plaintively reminding rally-goers of the six-year campaign, he and Russia, with the help of the entire Republican party, launched against Biden’s kid. “Where’s Hunter? … That was the big one.”
That’s a big part of the background that is missing from discussion of Trump’s comments.
The other is what it means that, after falsely claiming that Christians are being targeted by law enforcement right along with billionaires who engaged in fraud to cover up fucking a porn star, Trump told a bunch of Christian nationalists that they needed to vote just one more time.
As Sarah Posner laid out in a piece analyzing the way right wingers exploited the shooting attempt on Trump, these are people who use apocalyptic tropes to motivate voters and activists.
For the Trump faithful who believe God anointed him president and, after the attempt on his life, that God protected him from death, there are no coincidences — only miracles, signs, and wonders. Charlie Kirk, the founder of the far-right Turning Point USA and a fellow denizen of the conspiratorial fever swamps of X, chimed in on Posobiec’s tweet. “Armor of God,” he replied, just in case Posobiec’s meaning was lost on anyone. “The next verse is this: ‘For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.’” For good measure, Posobiec replied to Kirk, quoting the next verse, Ephesians 6:13. “Therefore, put on the armor of God,” he concluded, “that you may be able to resist on the evil day and, having done everything, to hold your ground.”
Posner added more in Bluesky this thread.
The point is, Trump’s audience of Christian nationalists do view taking over government in apocalyptic terms. They did, on January 6. And it nearly worked the first time.
This was only a Trumpism, as Sununu called it, to the extent that Trump is an epic conman who knows how to mobilize his audience, even Christian nationalists with whom Trump shares little more than a fondness for authoritarianism.
So sure: Perhaps this was just an attempt to juice more turnout out of a group that already turns out in high numbers, almost exclusively for Republicans. Or maybe — as his comments in June were — it’s part of a larger effort to delegitimize democracy.
But even beyond Trump’s last coup attempt, there’s a context here, one you need to at least acknowledge if you’re going to claim to assess his comments.
Update: I only very belatedly realized I put the context from the second NYT take after the third version of it. As made clear now, Gold did mention the “never vote again” comment, but he put it in ¶14.
Update: McKay Coppins has a piece in the Atlantic analyzing the prayers said at Trump events. A taste:
There are many ways to parse the text. You could compare the number of times Trump’s name is mentioned (87) versus Jesus Christ’s (61). You could break down the demographics of the people leading the prayers: 45 men and 13 women; overwhelmingly evangelical, with disproportionate representation from Pentecostalism, a charismatic branch of Christianity that emphasizes supernatural faith healing and speaking in tongues. One might also be tempted to catalog the most comically incendiary lines (“Oh Lord, our Lord, we want to be awake and not woke”). But the most interesting way to look at these prayers is to examine the theological motifs that run through them.
The scripture verse that’s cited most frequently in the prayers comes from 2 Chronicles. “If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.”
Ryan Burge, a Baptist minister and political scientist I asked to review the prayers, told me that this verse—which is quoted 10 times—is regularly cited by evangelicals to advance a popular conservative-Christian narrative: that America, like ancient Israel before it, has broken its special covenant with God and is suffering the consequences. “The Old Testament prophets they’re quoting talk about sin collectively instead of individually—the nation has fallen into wickedness and needs healing,” Burge said. “The way they use this verse presupposes that we’re spiraling down the tubes.”
[snip]
[R]ather than asking God to make Trump an instrument of his will, most of the prayers start from the assumption that he already is. Accordingly, many of them drop any pretense of thy-will-be-done nonpartisanship, and ask explicitly for Trump’s reelection. “Lord, you have a servant in Donald J. Trump, who can lead our nation,” a woman offering a prayer in Laconia, New Hampshire, told God at a rally on the eve of the state’s Republican primary. “Help us to overcome any obstacles tomorrow so that we may deliver victory to your warrior.”
Aaron Rupar said “…this line wasn’t a one off — he’s said it repeatedly during his recent speeches”
https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.bsky.social/post/3kyboq2exzx2j
And he highlighted another instance of Trump saying something similar, at the Faith and Freedom Coalition’s “2024 Road to Majority” conference on June 22:
“Christians go to church, but they don’t vote that much. You know the power you have if you would vote? You gotta get out and vote. Just this time. I don’t care -. In four years you don’t have to vote, OK? In four years don’t vote, I don’t care. But we’ll have it all straightened out, so it’ll be much different.”
https://x.com/atrupar/status/1804575637627142198 [has video clip]
The Faith and Freedom version reveals what I think is at the heart of this: if Trump wins this year, he’s ineligible to run in 2028. So he literally does not care if anyone votes in 2028 if he wins this year. But that crass narcissism is even too far, he realizes, and so he throws in “everything will be straightened out.”
And now that’s smoothed out to eliminate the narcissism into a simple “vote this time and you can retreat to complacency because I’ll fix everything.” It’s not an announcement of the end of democracy… but I am 100% behind forcing Trump to put the real unspoken bit back in to neuter the line – if it doesn’t affect Trump, Trump don’t care.
Or Trump believes he can do like Putin and extend his term of office indefinitely with the help of a GOP-led Congress and/or a few executive orders declaring a state of emergency suspending the Constitution.
…and BANNON and ORBAN.
I really think Trump is running to stay out of prison and has no use for dictatorship beyond that and what it can do for him. He’s going to outsource as much of the Presidency as he can.
It’s the people whom he puts into power that we’d have to worry about, and they can always get another face for the project. And as long as they get to rip out and remodel the administrative state the way they have the Supreme Court, why would they want to be rid of democracy’s facade? Elections are a way to make so much money!
Your are 1000% correct! And if Trump could no longer fog a mirror, he’d appoint Don Jr. as his presidential successor.
Yeh … I think we might be gladder to have been found over- rather than underprepared.
I’m not quite as complacent as you with respect to the interpretation of these statements. Why, for one thing, do you assume that he believes he would be ineligible to remain president? It’s the law: so what?
I don’t think it signifies a “plan” to end democracy in one fell swoop. But “fixed” or “straightened out” can mean a voting system sufficiently altered (okay, rigged) that election results could be manipulated to a certain extent through enhanced voter suppression plus the ability to invalidate votes en masse from precincts that tilt strongly toward the opposition. Whether he, or his co-conspirators, really believe their stories of widespread voter fraud or not, those stories reveal much about their own intentions.
Not with a bang. Just a whimper.
Taken in the context of Trump’s actions at the end of his term, Project 2025, and Republican voter suppression efforts, a fair and chilling reading would be that his supporters need not vote again because Trump would insure a favorable (for him) election outcome by rigging the election or by declaring martial law.
The more innocuous reading is that Trump would favorably address all of their concerns so they wouldn’t need to vote – a terrible message for good citizenry.
The NY Times article cited by Dr. Wheeler rather helpfully (to Trump) supplies the innocuous interpretation. So much for journalistic integrity. And just another example of the WaPo and NY Times interpreting what Trump means in a way most favorable to Trump.
In other words, the Orban model. Democracy in no way except name.
Maybe it’s kind of the opposite of Hitler. He had all these people thinking they could use him and contain him and he turned out to be not containable. Trump is so self-involved he has no real concept of our political system except insofar as it resembles TV. He doesn’t care what either the GOP or the Dems have in mind for the country, he just needs to keep the show going, pardon himself, and be the one to decide when the curtain comes down.
Trump is correct that Christians don’t vote, if by that we mean hard evangelicals. or he would have been right until recently.
The holy rollers did not vote in the years I was newspapering. I once asked an Assembly of God preacher if that was because they were focused on the afterlife and consequently were less concerned about this one.
His answer was, “Of course.”
Jerry Falwell worked to change that, and although the data I have been able to find are not impressive, it looks as if in this century the hard evangelicals really ared getting politicized.
(I have a definition of ‘hard evangelical”: people who can’t wait for Armageddon, despite the promise of misery that Revelations attaches to that. If you are unfamiliar with the Armageddon Now outlook — as I suspect most people who read here are — I recommend listening to the daily To Every Man an Answer radio call-in show conducted by Calvary Chapel. Wherever you are, it’s on a local station.)
what a horrible recommendation lol just kidding–I listen to christian radio for comfort and laughs, satirizing as I listen but their worldview comforts me b/c that’s how I grew up, in that school so to speak, so I completely completely get these people, NY, PA, Kansas, the midwest it is unique and special you can’t deny it but I’d like to see some more exposure on the money of these groups going into elections illegally as reported by ProPublica this month in order to enhance the Church on government policy.
As it is, I work in logistics (and have for 30 years here and in the UK) and pop in to the Watchtower Corporate Retreat and Campus Center in Tuxedo NY everyday. These people have serious money and it’s a high security, gated, private upscale community. When I ask the rank-and-file I meet if they are aware of Watchtower’s political spending I have not met one person who suggested they did. These people are honest, super-warmhearted and walk a Christ-like path to the best of their ability–and are being used to subvert our democracy if even a hint of what ProPublica reported is true which I might even be willing to doubt because everybody everywhere is in such hysterics about everything the whole time lol just kidding I am seriously terrified if these groups start using AI to thin the voting herd.
At the 2024 Bitcoin Conference in Nashville two days ago Trump appeared as keynote speaker and PANDERED to the crowd there, promising to commute the sentence of Silk Road guru Ross Ulbricht, among other things: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-hails-crypto-largest-bitcoin-conference-rcna163925 — He loves crypto and crypto people. His speech there is on YouTube, if anyone cares to search for it. Not related to Christians, but expressive of a will to pander, any context, any place, any audience, any chance. Making promises to fit the crowd.
He may have appeared in front of cryptobois but Trump was pandering to the kleptocrat crime bosses of petrostates who want to siphon off fossil fuel revenues for their corrupt aims. They want to operate outside traceable monetary systems.
It’s of a piece with Trump admin’s exit from tracing extractive resources in 2017.
Smirnov, the fabricator of the Burisma 5 million dollars to both Bidens hoax was also said to be trying to promote some form of crypto adventure to Burisma, but was rejected. The indictment contained averments about that sideline.
Exactly! And that is how the Putin led organized crime syndicate, including his oligarchs, notably Semion Mogilevich, Roman Abramovich and Dmytro Firtash make their trillions of dollars off of the natural rare and strategic resources found in Russia, Ukraine and elsewhere.
The MBS Saudi Arabia crew is also in close business with Putin.
There’s a symbiotic relationship with KSA/Qatar/UAE and Russia because the global oil market doesn’t pick a single country on which to base its prices. We may see the market framed on West Texas Intermediate or Brent Crude or Murban Crude but their prices sync fairly closely.
When the P5+1 JCPOA was signed and Iranian oil re-entered the market, Putin lost enormous amounts of money with the drop in global oil prices. Ditto the rest of the oil market. KSA/Qatar/UAE and Russia have already felt the effect of Democratic policies toward normalization of relations intended to reduce tensions, and they don’t like it. Continued friction increases volatility in the market along with prices — it’s no surprise that Netanyahu isn’t cooperating on the two-state solution because it underpins normalization with KSA, and KSA’s revenues depend on destabilized prices, not normalization.
More about recent goings-on in Nashville:
https://www.emptywheel.net/2024/07/23/fraudulent-failson-judgement-jd-vance-aint-from-here/#comment-1062501
Excuses by Sununu laughing about “classic Trumpism.” Selling Christian Nationalism. No, this stuff cannot be fixed nor can he. Republicans continue to reward and enable abusive behavior. And this from the party of doom and gloom.
In order to steal the election Trump was counting on unenthusiastic Biden voters. Even if Biden won, that reasoning goes, they would not take to the streets if Trump repeated his coup.
The Harris for President campaign exudes enthusiasm. People will take to the streets in joy if she wins and in anger at Trump is she does not. I’m amazed to see it.
Just as the “Biden is old” claim has now rebounded on Trump so too may the “we can only lose if they cheat” claim. The people may say the Supreme Court decided Trump v Anderson wrongly.
Things just got a lot harder for Trump.
I think you’re onto something here. Trump’s strategists were exactly counting on unenthusiastic Biden supporters. Now they can rely on the racist thing but they can’t talk about age anymore. It remains to be seen if they will encourage Trump to be anti-woman, anti-person of color. OTOH, he is anti-woman, anti-person of color, so…
The more coverage there is of Trump the more the election becomes a referendum on him. And most of the evidence points to the hypothesis that 52% of the voters will not vote for Trump under any circumstance.
If that’s what happens the government, controlled by President Biden, will be much more ready this time. I wonder if that reality will ever get out into the culture.
How does a cult like that leak followers? How did a few Jonestown occupants resist the brainwashing and begin to seek a way out?
Its important to note that pandering to the Christian minority in the age of science is a demographic dead end. And that’s evidence that Trump does not intend to win by arithmetic.
That might have been one factor in convincing Biden to free himself from the constraints of being a candidate.
Another data point for Christian Nationalists saying the quiet part out loud is Jack Posobiec’s introduction for Steve Bannon at a panel discussion at CPAC Feb 2024
Holding a rosary in his hand, and then raising it aloft to deliver the punchline:
“I just want to say welcome to the end of democracy. We are here to overthrow democracy completely. We didn’t get there all the way on January 6th.But we will, and we will endeavour to replace it with this right here.This right here”
Bannon “Amen”
P: “Because it’s not ‘All Glory to Government’ it’s ‘All Glory to God’”
https://youtu.be/EoFVxaC9R5c
JP holding up a rosary, Trump’s thing is holding a Bible (two testaments).
[Moderator’s note: this is your 3rd or 4th comment I’ve had to fix today because you typed your username in ALL CAPS; letter case matters. Please fix this. /~Rayne]
Where Steve Bannon leaves us Bannonism, and its focus on retribution against Americans who disagree with the MAGA movement, will persist as he serves a four month sentence https://www.mediamatters.org/steve-bannon/where-steve-bannon-leaves-us Madeline Peltz 07/01/24 1:07 PM
12/30/20 BANNON TO TRUMP [phone]:
“We’re going to bury Biden on January 6th, fucking bury him.”
[If Republicans could cast enough of a shadow on Biden’s victory on January 6, Bannon said, 1] it would be hard for Biden to govern. 2] Millions of Americans would consider him illegitimate. 3] They would ignore him. 4] They would dismiss him and wait for Trump to run again.]
“We are going to kill the Biden Presidency in the crib,” he said.
These people are so much dumber than they think they are. How is the bellowing of a minority of Americans going to stop Biden from wielding the enormous power of his office once he has it, when the bellowing of the majority of Americans usually couldn’t stop Trump from doing so?
We need to add a new word to the dictionary: sercastic. A portmanteau of serious+sarcastic:
The art of saying what one really seriously thinks , while sounding sarcastic to maintain plausible deniability.
May I propose sarcirony
=> the use of sarcasm (bitter humour) to partially conceal (so feign ignorance when expedient) that your words indeed express your actual intention
Alternatively sarcbast, sarcbastic, sarcbasticism
=> The use of sarcasm to enable you to pretend when expedient that your bombastic expression of intentions are not your true intentions, when in fact they indeed accurately express your actual (esp illegitimate, unlawful, unethical or unreasonable) intentions
almost but not quite Ad maiorem Dei gloriam? Nah, the Jesuits would never have taken either of these two jabronis.
Sununu can afford to be cavalier about “trumpisms.” He’s not running for re-election. His da, of course, was in George W’s cabinet so maybe he’s thinking the same for himself in a Trump admin? He should take a lesson from Phil Scott across the river in Vermont who has been essentially drummed out of the VTGOP for not kowtowing to the Creep from Queens.
Catholic integralism is a question with JD Vance. https://religionnews.com/2024/04/03/the-strange-world-of-catholic-christian-nationalism/ — this and several other online items exist mentioning Vance and Catdholic ingegralism, but this item notes,
“The movement found champions in University of Notre Dame’s Patrick Deneen and especially Harvard University’s Adrian Vermeule, both of whom insist liberalism has failed Western society. They and like-minded “New Right” and “post-liberal” scholars have organized their own conferences, such as a 2022 gathering at the Franciscan University of Steubenville that also featured a speech from then-U.S. Senate candidate J.D. Vance of Ohio. (Representatives for Vance did not respond to questions about whether he supports Catholic integralism.)”
With Vance being thought of in a way he has not directly and publicly embraced, it seems less pandering than Trump’s actions, with Vance being hesitant to be categorized. At a guess Vance would not be unfriendly toward Leonard Leo.
And Kevin Roberts, the 2025 architect has admitted he has “visited” the Catholic Information Center in DC, which is home to Opus Dei activities.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/project-2025s-kevin-roberts-association-185812665.html
When I was a home birth midwife I served everyone from far out evangelicals to drug dealers. The only group I wouldn’t serve were Catholic Integeralists, they are big in Cincinnati along with PV2’s (pre-Vatican II believers) .
Once at a birth I discovered some really scary reading material on a table at an Integeralist family’s home regarding Muslims and how they should be killled essentially. And the beliefs they discussed scared the bejesus out of me.
I realized that if they had their world they wouldn’t be hiring me to attend their birth but murdering my LGBTQIA+ daughter. They were terrifying.
Oh, and Leonard Leo also frequents the Catholic Information Center, along with Bill Barr.
There are a scary number of Opus Dei members installed in Republican administrations.
Opus Dei worries me much more than DEI. As you point out, Leonard Leo (and probably the Justices he hand-picked for the Supreme Court) as well as Kevin Roberts of Heritage have links to Opus Dei. I wouldn’t be surprised if JD Vance did too.
There’s a book coming out on Opus Dei’s political influence, the Guardian reports: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/26/kevin-roberts-project-2025-opus-dei
Good place to dig in deep on this stuff:
The Neo-Catholics: Implementing Christian Nationalism in America, Betty Clermont (Clarity Press)
As noted on previous threads, central to Vance’s conversion was Rod Dreher an exponent of Integralism, formerly of “The American Conservative” lately of The Danube Institute and now permanently resident in Hungary. At the ‘private baptism’ Dreher was present, and published an interview about it.
Any attempt by Vance to dodge his adoption of Catholic Integralism (whether or not his conversion was sincere or political opportunism or both) belies the efforts over 6 years to cultivate the connections to it and establish a place within the ecosystem of policymaking “think tanks” espousing it.
Nb he wrote the Foreword to Kevin Roberts book
This is one of those discussions [scroll up and down]:
https://www.emptywheel.net/2024/07/15/american-hitler-jd-2024/#comment-1060854
Thanks for cleaning up my footnote fail ;)
This is what happens when you let a megalomaniac walk the streets of power after he attempted to over throw the government. The six corporations that control 90% of media, owned by billionaires, have determined and colluded with each other that a** wipe will be their leader they need to protect their money. They will manipulate, force, their employees to use words that do not expose the truth about a man that is completely unfit. Their money is way more important than a constitutional republic. It is safe to say the media will do all in their power to destroy Kamala and bolster a** wipe. To expect anymore from the press is a fools game.
The “insurrection 2024” strategy requires strategy/tactics supported by significant ‘human resources.’ I expect something like a full spectrum approach, yet is Trump’s election brain trust up to this dastardly organizational task? The administration of the election at the state level in swing states is differently formulated this cycle. Interfering with voting at the polling place runs into the specifics given in state law. I assume details will leak out about the tactics.
Meanwhile, I wonder about the following kind of evangelical voter: the kind who is not susceptible to the conspiratorial MAGA siren song at all, yet also has to live harmoniously in the local christian community.
Stephen Calhoun wrote:
“I assume details will leak out about the tactics.”
It’s happening in plain sight.
Here’s just one example:
“Since the 2020 election triggered widespread false claims of voter fraud in Georgia, individual activists in the state have lodged tens of thousands of voter eligibility challenges. A 2021 Georgia law stipulated that a single voter could bring an unlimited number of challenges, and election officials in some large counties were inundated with demands to remove voters from the rolls during the 2022 midterms.”
Fredreka Schouten
CNN
Published 7:15 PM EDT, Tue May 7, 2024
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/07/politics/kemp-signs-georgia-voting-law/index.html
Do Dems have plans to counter these Swamp the vote tactics ?
Sounds like waves of challenges you describe in Georgia is type of alternate
battle frothers would relish, and judges might approve.
These tactics need to be watched, reported, and contested. It’s a form of flood the zone with shit.
Sounds like something Stone would dream up and promote.
How close to election can these voter on voter challenges be submitted.
Sounds like they want to crash the system.
Sounds like a cousin to swatting.
Here is one report of their “tactics.” They are going to try to decertify Harris’ votes at the local level this time.
“The Republican Party and its conservative allies are engaged in an unprecedented legal campaign targeting the American voting system. Their wide-ranging and methodical effort is laying the groundwork to contest an election that they argue, falsely, is already being rigged against former President Donald J. Trump.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/13/us/politics/republican-election-campaign-2024.html
Remember: all they have to do is get it to SCOTUS to complete the steal.
The MAGAs in my county–including the lone R commissioner–have been brainwashed by 2000 Mules and are still convinced that one person putting multiple ballots in a drop box proves those ballots are rigged and should not be counted, despite those ballots being in sealed envelopes and signed by the voters. They can’t seem to grasp the fact that a ballot’s validity isn’t affected by its method of delivery.
Also, the lone R commissioner on the board of elections voted to not count the 400+ mail-in ballots with correct day and month but missing/incorrect year, DESPITE those ballots having been received before the deadline IN THAT YEAR.
So…is the idea is that a local election official refusing to certify the votes of a remote rural county will cause an entire state not to be able to certify its electoral vote, as long as the local election official and a MAGA secretary of state wink at each other?
July 24, 2024 New Yorker: https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/j-d-vances-radical-religion – opening paragraph=
“In all the commentary about Donald Trump’s choice of Senator J. D. Vance as his running mate—he’s the survivor of a tumultuous upbringing in small-town Ohio, a former marine, a Yale Law graduate, the author of the 2016 memoir “Hillbilly Elegy” and the hero of the 2020 movie adaptation, a convert from Never Trumper to fervent acolyte—one aspect of his biography that could prove of major consequence has received scant attention: his religion. He became a Catholic in 2019, and since then he has aligned himself with conservative-Catholic currents of thought that have already had profound effects on the Supreme Court—and, through the Court’s overturning of Roe v. Wade, on American life broadly. Should Vance become the Vice-President, Justices Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett—all conservative Catholics—would have a Catholic ally of like mind in the executive branch. (President Biden’s Catholicism leans progressive, and is more devotional than doctrinal.) For now, Vance’s presence on the ticket represents the union of Trumpism and a movement that sees Catholicism as the embodiment of tradition, stability, and a top-down ordering of society, which would be enshrined through regime change. That’s a lot of symbolism to lay on a commitment of faith that a thirty-nine-year-old man made just five years ago, but Vance’s embrace of Catholicism is deeply bound up with his stated belief that religion has the power to shape the country.”
The closing paragraph noted:
“But, if Trump is elected, it could bear on his public policy. After President Ronald Reagan took office, in 1981, he stocked his Administration with conservative Catholics steeped in the Church’s history of fervid anti-Communism—the Secretary of State, General Alexander Haig; the C.I.A. director, William J. Casey; and the national-security adviser, William P. Clark—who then helped shape policies backing Church-allied oligarchies in El Salvador and Nicaragua as necessary for the Cold War “containment” of Communism. Were the Trump-Vance campaign to prevail in November, the post-liberals who hope for a state informed by Catholic principles could perhaps have a channel to get their ideas into the West Wing.”
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Apology on length. The author researched Vance in depth beyond my reach, but tightly now, my concern is: other EW places Trump’s age and health were noted, Vance was picked out of three, looking as if passing the torch. It is a ticket where both need attention. IMO Vance is a true believer, Trump a hustle, but wanting continuity when he dies. With Vance the longer term danger. For a basis to that belief I used the quoting. It was too long. I think a theocracy is more likely than a coup to autocratic fascism.
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I don’t think JD Vance, or whatever his name is, believes in anything except his own ambition.
We know what ambition feels like and we also know when our ambition would go against our values and that is where we draw the line and live our happy lives..
JD, or whatever his name really is, has gone over to the dark side, maybe multiple times in his life, because once you’re in that morass you cannot successfully rationalize your way out, so you are miserable and only find happiness in other people suffering.
Imagine Donald Trump, narcissistic sociopath with dictatorial ambitions, fueled by Bannon, Manafort, and this corrupted Supreme Court, with JD as VP.
(Are Usha’s days punctuated with moments akin to horror?)
I think i read in The Nation back in the Reagan years that Haig coined the phrase “embryo terrorists” in re: the resistance activists in El Salvador and Nicaragua.
I always thought there were two kinds of Catholics: the Haigs and the Berrigans. It still applies, but now with the overlay of Opus Dei.
Many more dualisms than that.
As a southern Catholic, we came under the Congregation for the Propagation of the Faith (instead of the Holy Office) because we could not supply our own priests.
Or nuns.
Consequently, the nuns who taught me for 14 years were mostly from Ireland and Italy. I used to joke that Italian Catholics are afraid of sex and Irish Catholics are afraid of ghosts.
The nuns (and priests) might have been afraid of sex and tried to transfer that fear to the students. More often than not with the exact opposite effect.
I attended Catholic schools in northeast (NYS) mostly Irish & Italian-American clergy & nuns and they had a dark, dark view towards everything sexual. They , like Vance, shared St Augustine’s view towards concupiscence. Vance just politicizes it a little by forcing women to breed more white kids to maintain a Christian Nationalist majority.
jecojeco
July 30, 2024 at 7:53 am
The centrality of St Augustine to Vance’s self mythology of his conversion cannot be understated see eg
https://thelampmagazine.com/blog/how-i-joined-the-resistance
And
“You chose St. Augustine as your patron saint. Why?
A couple of reasons. One, I was pretty moved by the Confessions. I’ve probably read it in bits and pieces twice over the past 15 or so years. There’s a chapter from The City of God that’s incredibly relevant now that I’m thinking about policy. There’s just a way that Augustine is an incredibly powerful advocate for the things that the Church believes”
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/j-d-vance-becomes-catholic/
And to
RitaRita
July 29, 2024 at 1:45 pm
Augustine’s ‘City of God’ is central to the Integralist case reinterpreting the ‘Render unto Caesar’ aphorism.
The central American catastrophe was to a horrifying extent a Catholic upon Catholic war.
(Oh!, had EW been around during Iran/Contra.)
“Catholic principles”? More like heresies.
What happened to “Render unto Caesar, the things that are Caesar’s and to God the things that are God’s.”?
These are cafeteria Catholics – picking what suits them and discarding the rest.
There are a lot of Catholics who still haven’t accepted Vatican II and all of the changes it brought. They pass their fear of New Things along to younger people.
Ugh. I don’t want to write a post about it, but rejection of Vatican II borders on schism.
It’s not a little concept; schism underpins the separation of Eastern Orthodox Church from the Roman Catholic Church.
Honestly can’t tell if that isn’t one of the aims — to fragment the power of the Catholic Church — potentially as a global influence operation with origins in Duginism and Russian Orthodoxy.
Literally the Great Schism of 1054, undead, vampiric.
The Catholic church in my neighborhood offers a mass in Latin. I guess the less you understand the words the more profound they are. Did you know “hocus pocus” comes from “hoc est corpus”? And “Santa Claus” comes from “Saint Nicholas” (say it fast).
I think the statement must be taken at face value. This is a person who already attempted to end democracy. Since then, he has steadfastly sought to legitimize his conduct via the big lie.
The evidence of his autocratic tendencies, such as wanting to shoot protestors, is legion. And he has surrounded himself with like minded individuals and their acolytes, such as Vance and Thiel.
Trump intends to join what Anne Applebaum refers to as Autocracy, Inc. He’s already a dues paying member.
Indeed.
Anne Applebaum interview with KQED’s Forum with Mina Kim:
https://www.kqed.org/forum/2010101906473/how-modern-autocracy-works
NPR review of her book:
https://www.kqed.org/arts/13961635/21st-century-dictators-are-different-autocracy-inc-explains-how
“I think the statement must be taken at face value.”
Absolutely. He said exactly what he meant. Apparently someone explained Project 2025 to him recently and now he understands what they’re all talking about. They just forgot to tell him not to say it out loud.
He also said that he’s not a Christian- something that really ought to bite him in the ass. Whether or not it will, we can’t say yet.
There remain in the US many Christians that do not vote. Very possible that the former President was saying that he believes these people are Christians within his version of Christianity and that they must this time vote even if it is against their freedom of conscience.
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Trumps statements exude, as they always do a degree of ambiguity sufficient to create implausible deniability in the audience he intends to reach, but gives them sufficient wiggle room to troll the libs for ‘not understanding what he’s really saying’.
You give Trump a lot of credit for intentional ambiguity.
Many times, it seems that reporters and analysts can’t believe that he means what he says and, so, try to explain what he must have meant. I don’t doubt his cleverness but I think he gets an assist from journalists.
The whole “Let Trump be Trump” mantra of Bannon’s is relevant here.
Trump expects, feels entitled to and demands his enablers defend him to the max, and get him out of any hole — and his ultimate fall back position is always that he has been unfairly targeted by bad actors, who are out to get him through lies and misrepresentation.
He has a feral instinct for verbal nods and winks, to convey to insiders what he expects and intends, while simultaneously believing he is both clever enough and entitled to avoid awkward consequences. He is by no means as clever as he imagines, but clearly delights in brazenly pushing boundaries, getting away with it, and being seen to get away with it — the latter being further proof to him and the world how smart he is .
So to that extent I disagree with your suggestion that he doesn’t toy with ambiguity.
Thank you.
I wonder how much honing one has to do to get to the masterful ‘bum’. I don’t see how we overcome such a well-honed bit of stable, mature geniusness—better luck in ’28 everyone.
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To me, it looks like a sarcastic comment, poking fun at Trump’s completely stupid and ineffective moniker for Harris (including the “better luck in 28” part).
Snark tags are encouraged on EW posts.
Sarcasm is much harder to detect in print.
Well Rob change is in the air, you must have missed the excitement generated in recent days by the fact that maybe 4 could be as many as 6 current democratic party office-holders all called Donald Trump “Weird”, so watch out for this new “coordination of messaging” to counter Trump’s machine precision insults.
I first read the highly descriptive phrase, applied to Trump, as “deeply weird,” right here at EW!
do not recall whose comment or quote it was, but it should be made to go viral.
Megyn Kelly today called Kamala weird. Seems like she is getting with the program, as well.
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Trumpocracy is sheep enthralled by wolf’s crowing
Trump is a modern day/current version of Sinclair Lewis’ character, Elmer Gantry.
It’s been so long since I read the book, I can’t remember if Lewis describes Gantry’s personality as a narcissist; Trump’s latest comments, however, definitely show he (Trump) is a malignant narcissist. Trump also appears to believe he’s the savior for all Christians.
If evangelical born again Christian Mike Pence had any integrity and guts, he’d publicly denounce Trump for being nothing more than an Elmer Gantry.
Pence, however, is a gutless fraud.
“Pence denounces Trump over Jan. 6 and Trump slams his standing in the polls
“History will hold Donald Trump accountable,” the former vice president said.”
Tai Axelrod
March 16, 2023, 5:48 PM
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pence-denounces-trump-jan-6-trump-slams-standing/story?id=97853339
Part of the baptismal rite:’Do you renounce Satan, and all his works ?’
Vance would have been asked this as part of his conversion ceremony, too.
The pesky idolatry thang.
Right now, today, if Pence meant what he said in the quotes you posted, he could appear on every form of media denouncing Trump as nothing more than an Elmer Gantry con-man.
Pence could even say that although he believes God made Trump president in 2016, he now believes God does not and will not allow Trump to win the 2024 Presidential election.
Pence, along with the likes of Mitch McConnell and too many Trump supporting attorneys who were also his enablers while working in and around his Administration, covet power and returning to power first and foremost.
I never agreed with anything Liz Cheney said in Congress, but at least she had the courage to do the right thing and try her best to show the American people the criminal acts Trump committed on J-6.
I refer back to this salient truth:
“Pence, however, is a gutless fraud.”
~Sussex Trafalgar
He said those things while trying to win the Republican primary.
I would add “self righteous” to your description.
He could be Buzz Windrip from It Can’t Happen Here, another Sinclair Lewis book, or Shagpoke Whipple, the felon ex-President, from Nathiel West’s A Cool Million, which really should be noted more often these days.
It’s uncanny how prescient that book was. Goddess help us if trump gets that far. Trump is Buzz Windrip. Could he have possibly read that book? Highly doubtful.
When I first read about Trump sayint “get one more time out to vote, and then you won’t have to vote again, I was (as someone who is somewhat familiar with German history) reminded of the year 1933 at once. There was one more parliamentary election after Hitler had been made Chancellor on Jan. 30, 1933: in March 1933, and that was it.
Details are provided by the related Wikipedia entry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_1933_German_federal_election.
He could admit he’s not a Christian and the MAGAs would love him even more. “He’s so honest! He believes in freedom of religion!” It does not matter what lies he tells because his Christian cult feels virtuous and holy for being so non-judgmental toward him. They wave off his lies as “campaigning” and “he really wants to win” and “rhetorical hyperbole.” They hear what they want to hear and ignore the rest. I’m not saying it makes any sense. You can’t reason with unreasonable people. I just hope most Americans are smarter than that on election day.
“If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people.”
Think that was House, the TV MD, or some comedian.
I honestly don’t know who said it first, but it’s definitely a “House, MD” quote, is attributed to a statement at some point by Christopher Hitchens, and was a line in a book by David Mitchell.
“One could make people believe the most fantastic statements one day, and trust that if the next day they were given irrefutable proof of their falsehood, they would take refuge in cynicism … and would admire the leaders for their superior tactical cleverness.” — Hannah Arendt
Hannah Arendt was extremely wise and priceless!
Fucking Republican senators on TV and when asked, dodge the reason, saying it was a joke.
Joke, my Irish arse
The term I’d use for that is “kidding on the square”.
It’s Silicon Valley vs. Silicon Valley as Political Fights Escalate
Elon Musk, Reid Hoffman and other tech billionaires, many of whom are part of the “PayPal Mafia,” are openly brawling with one another over politics as tensions rise. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/29/technology/silicon-valley-politics-elon-musk-reid-hoffman.html Ryan MacErin Griffith and Mike Isaac July 29, 2024 Updated 11:05 a.m. ET
“Trump running mate JD Vance to hold Silicon Valley fundraiser
Tickets for the Palo Alto fundraiser range from $3,300 to $50,000”
Ryan Macasero
Bay Area News Group
July 29, 2024
https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2024/07/29/trump-running-mate-jd-vance-to-hold-silicon-valley-fundraiser/
Harmeet Dhillon says:
“Bay Area: if you want to attend the Palo Alto fundraising dinner with JD Vance Monday, contact me and I’ll hook you up!”
His last fundraiser at David Sacks house in Pacific Heights, pre VP nomination, was underwhelming.
IMO, most of tech considers the “PayPal Mafia”…weird.
Musk is just trying to save Tesla, among other things.
You love to see it…oh boy I hoped it would come to this! They’re only human!
Most all my fam hates Elon. And have vg reasons. But Grimes, she still seems to care about the joe. It was a miracle that those two diametrical opposites got together in the 1st place. And had kids! (how to raise them is an entirely different question)
Elon, you got one job — get us to space. Get as much money as you can from the Tesla and go all in on SpaceX and get us to space. Special Order 937: ‘priority one .. All other considerations secondary .. you and crew expendable’
Article Open access Published: 12 April 2024
The importance of continents, oceans and plate tectonics for the evolution of complex life: implications for finding extraterrestrial civilizations
Robert J. Stern & Taras V. Gerya
Scientific Reports volume 14, Article number: 8552 (2024) Cite this article
Abstract
Within the uncertainties of involved astronomical and biological parameters, the Drake Equation typically predicts that there should be many exoplanets in our galaxy hosting active, communicative civilizations (ACCs). These optimistic calculations are however not supported by evidence, which is often referred to as the Fermi Paradox. Here, we elaborate on this long-standing enigma by showing the importance of planetary tectonic style for biological evolution. We summarize growing evidence that a prolonged transition from Mesoproterozoic active single lid tectonics (1.6 to 1.0 Ga) to modern plate tectonics occurred in the Neoproterozoic Era (1.0 to 0.541 Ga), which dramatically accelerated emergence and evolution of complex species. We further suggest that both continents and oceans are required for ACCs because early evolution of simple life must happen in water but late evolution of advanced life capable of creating technology must happen on land. We resolve the Fermi Paradox (1) by adding two additional terms to the Drake Equation: foc (the fraction of habitable exoplanets with significant continents and oceans) and fpt (the fraction of habitable exoplanets with significant continents and oceans that have had plate tectonics operating for at least 0.5 Ga); and (2) by demonstrating that the product of foc and fpt is very small (< 0.00003–0.002). We propose that the lack of evidence for ACCs reflects the scarcity of long-lived plate tectonics and/or continents and oceans on exoplanets with primitive life.
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Right now we could be the only ACC putting out radio waves into the Milky Way, Apparently after it all started 3.8 B yrs ago, it takes 3 billion to go from multiferous simple single cell float abouts in hab zone oceans to create complex multicellular eukaryotes, of which we are the descendants. Seems a rare event that happened a half billion years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2_KMVBmEgc
These he-didn’t-really-mean-that arguments have plausibility only if one ignores January 6th.
And the extensive efforts before and after it to rig the vote in various states (although perhaps you’re including those under the big umbrella of “January 6th”).
Although a huge effort has been made to staff and fund the Election Integrity arm of the committee, the RNC has closed almost all it’s minority community centers, annihilated their field offices in battleground states, stripped money and resources from down ballot candidates while pushing far right candidates that can’t win general elections infuriating what’s left of state field offices and, turned over the entire ground operation to Turning Point.
Turning Point was responsible for the get out the vote operation in the last Arizona election and apparently they did a terrible job so it’s a head scratcher as to why Turning Point was chosen by the RNC for this job, other than lining Charlie Kirk’s pockets.
I believe it more likely than not now that Trump will again loose the election and fail in yet another coup attempt despite the RNC putting all its eggs in the election integrity basket.
After the dust settles, the changes the RNC has made that I listed above, will result in a notable number of down ballot Republican candidates underperforming and loosing seats and positions they would have won if they had been supported.
Maybe, this self sabotage along with excitement for Harris will deliver the House to Dems as polls currently predict Republicans will keep the House by just a few seats. It is not a far fetched possibility.
Just wanted to share my thread of hope despite the daily barrage of Trumpian Christofascism and the msm’s continuing political horse race reporting.
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Long pieces on Charlie Kirk/Turning Point, work in the Arizona election and takeover of the RNC ground effort
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2024/jun/25/charlie-kirk-turning-point-usa-chase-the-vote-trump
https://washingtonmonthly.com/2024/06/20/donald-trumps-get-out-the-vote-plan-is-bonkers/
Turning Point’s Vote Chaser plan
https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/15/politics/trump-campaign-turning-point-charlie-kirk/index.html
Collapsing GOP state operations
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/trump-state-republicans-fundraising-problems-rcna152436
Gift link https://wapo.st/3LK5V9N
I read that the Dems will counter Trump by saying that he is “weird”
Not a good strategy, in my view.
I know he’s weird but dangerous is more apropos.
In Election 2024, everything is on the line.
I understand your point, yet imho it’s not an either-or proposition.
The “Weird” shorthand, i.e., this is not normal, sprung organically from Governor Tim Walz’s remarks where he also said “This is about Democracy”.
“How about the viral video of Walz on MSNBC last week, mocking Donald Trump, JD Vance and the Maga Republicans as “weird people”?
“That video has had more than 4.6m views on Twitter/X alone and, per Politico, is credited with the Democrats’ new shift “toward a more gut-level vernacular that may better capture how many voters react to far-right rhetoric” of the Trump/Vance variety.”
Mehdi Hasan
The Guardian
July 29, 2024
“Why Kamala Harris should pick Tim Walz as her running mate”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jul/29/why-kamala-harris-should-pick-tim-walz-running-mate
P.S.
For what it’s worth, I agree with Gov Whitmer that the VP doesn’t have to be a “white man”.
In the CBS interview this morning, Gov Whitmer pushed back on the idea that Harris’s running mate must be a white man:
“Every one of us was told there may be too many women on the ticket. Baloney. We’ve proved that wrong in the swingingest of swing states.”
I do, however, admire Gov Walz for his achievements and ‘straight talk’.
Michigan, however, eliminated the partisan gerrymander with a 2018 ballot initiative making Whitmer’s 2022 reelection more likely.
Whitmer’s election in 2018 along with her female cohorts Dana Nessel as AG and Jocelyn Benson as SOS were driven in part by reaction to Trump, to fallout from Rick Snyder and a dumb-as-rocks follow-up MIGOP candidate, and the Flint water crisis.
Those kinds of conditions don’t apply uniformly across the US. We can’t count on it, even as much as I love Whitmer.
MN here. Another bonus of picking Tim Walz, Peggy Flanagan as Lieutenant Governor will become the governor I hope. She is young, 44.
Normal People: “He’s weird.”
Trump: “I’m not weird.”
Observers: “That’s what a defensive weirdo would say.”
It’s already working, just look up how bad Vivek got his shoes handed back to him when he went crying to the Nazi Bar. It is all very weird and it should be emphasized when mentioning specifics. Those of us paying attention already know Trump is a danger to democracy. How do you convince the voters on the margins that he is dangerous without sounding like Chicken Little just making an overwrought argument because of politics?
You have to reach some of the cynical, apathetic shit-posting crowd and make this electoral victory as large as possible. “Weird” and “Kamala is brat” are the most effective advertising campaign the Dems have had since Obama (not a high bar to clear since 2012, but true!). It certainly helps that Biden stepped aside to give Kamala a chance to create the energy, but these chuckle-fucks are finally on the defensive and appear to have nothing in response.
Try to enjoy it a little. :)
OK
SMH. Harris campaign NEEDS to consult a Dem evangelical Christian! (Yes, we do exist!)
There is a stand-up Christian comic who has a whole routine around Evangelicals being weird.
The label will just be embraced and cause laughter due to it simply sounding like Dems are giving time to a badge of honor.
My ex belongs to an Evangelical Lutheran church, and yes, they embrace the label – but they are fully capable of distinguishing between “good weird (us)” and “bad weird (Trump)”.
It’s the undecideds whose opinions on the label – and its target – matter.
“Weird” is only one part of the formula. The full phrase, in my opinion, should be “Weird, Senile Felon.” Preferably along with a picture where Trump looks a little deranged, maybe an illustration rather than a photograph.
“ Dotard”
The big one is “Loser” though it would have to be deployed strategically, by which I mean the timing would have to be carefully considered. You’d want it everyone after ___________ happened.
We’ve been calling him ‘Dangerous’ for nearly 10 years now and it only seems to give him the validation and importance that he doesn’t deserve, IMO.
“Weird’ is perfect, and it’s working. The GQP, who have reveled in the childish nicknames that Trump has employed, are now losing their shit at being called weird. The high road seldom works when opposing bullies.
“The high road seldom works when opposing bullies.”
Weird how that works…
Thomas Friedman wrote a piece in the NYT accusing Democrats of being “childish” for calling Trump and his supporters “weird”, comparing it to HRC’s “basket of deplorables” in 2016
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/07/30/opinion/thepoint#trump-democrats-weird
I agree calling Trump supporters weird could backfire. But calling Trump himself, who regularly babbles about sharks and electrocution and the late great Hannibal Lecter at his rallies, weird, is spot on. And Friedman’s paper has been remiss in exposing just how weird he is. Harris (not Thomas Harris, who created Hannibal Lecter) could remedy that.
Fuck Tom Friedman. Seriously. He can take his civility and tone policing and shove it sideways up his sphincter.
Remember who the Democrats are — they are far more diverse than the GOP both by race/ethnicity and gender. Their current prospective POTUS nominee reflects this. When Friedman whines about “childish” behavior he’s telling women and persons of color to behave in a way which won’t offend him and other white men like him. He’s extending the misogyny of 2016 into 2024 with a strong helping of racism.
In other words he’s calling Democrats “uppity.” I hope to hell you grok what that means.
In the future use Lakoff’s truth sandwich model to present bullshit like Friedman’s, ex: 1) Friedman wrote a bullshit op-ed; 2) the op-ed said “XYZ”; 3) here’s why it’s bullshit.
Of course Trump means it. He has spent years perfecting the lie, “It was only a joke,” to hide the truth of what he says and thinks. He also hides that he can’t control himself and says what he means, if sometimes in code.
You don’t have to be Chris Hedges to know what anyone living in Latin American knows. When a hard right, self-described dictator wannabe says, “I don’t need votes, I need bodies,” he means two things. He doesn’t have enough votes, and can’t or won’t work to get them. “Bodies” means angry mobs in the streets. They are cheaper and easier to find and use. Their purpose is to so disrupt society and the vote that votes wouldn’t count.
By the same token, Trump doesn’t want the presidency only to stay out of prison. He wants the power. He’s had it before and wants it again. This time, he will know what to do with it, and how to hire the people who’ll let him use it without restraint. This time he will have the institutional backing from outside government to let him do so.
Lastly, it’s laughable to think Trump means he won’t run in in 2028, because the law prohibits it. Has he ever had anything but vicious disdain for the law and limitations? He means he will reign for life, so there will be no need for another election. In fact, advocating for one would be heresy. Christo-Fascists punish heresy severely.
“‘Terrifying’: Democrats react to Trump saying people won’t have to vote again. Former president told Christian supporters on Friday ‘it’ll be fixed’ in four years if he wins 2024 election.”
Colloquially, especially in Trump’s hands, “fixed,” means rigged.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/29/democrats-reaction-trump-vote-comments
Yes, and that is also what he meant in 2016 when he said, “ I alone can fix it.” But people were too gullible to catch on. I imagine it’s a big joke to Trump that his marks are so naive.
They have a plan all ready. The fake electors gave already been selected. The fake ballots too.
Trump, or one one of them has already said out loud, ” we have the judges all lined up.
WTF is that about ? How do we identify said judges ?
Aileen Cannon mini me’s. I do not doubt they have more up their sleeve than just their arms.
Weird is a word kid voters can identify with- an outsider you wouldn’t want to hang out with.
Few kids, too few, are not moved, or understand democracy.
If ain’t a thing for them. It’s just another over used word. Like love. Like goat.
Kids care more about NFL and March madness.
Democracy ? Meh.
And the newly installed county clerks in swing states, who are already expecting to refuse to certify their county’s result because reasons. I’m sure Marc Elias is ready for that one.
If by “kids”, you mean Gen Z, I respectfully disagree.
“Since last Sunday, statements have poured out from youth-led organizations across the country, including in Arizona, Wisconsin, Michigan, California, Minnesota, North Carolina and Pennsylvania, as leaders thanked Biden for stepping aside and celebrated the opportunity to organize around a new candidate. On Friday, a coalition of 17 youth-led groups endorsed Harris.”
“This changes everything,” said Zo Tobi, director of communication for the Movement Voter Project, a national progressive funding group focusing on youth-led organizations, when he heard the news that Biden was dropping out of the race and endorsing Harris. “The world as it is suddenly shifted into the world as it could be.”
Christine Fernando
AP
July 27, 2024
https://apnews.com/article/biden-democrats-young-voters-2024-161caa432cf440a029e998409940b4a2
Gen Z voters had a huge impact in 2020, and helped save the 2022 mid terms.
I don’t see anything close to apathy.
Replying to Rayne
July 29, 2024 at 2:22 pm
I hear you.
And she is staying to finish her excellent term.
A girl can still dream, though.
:)
OT but important: Today the wsj is holding or stopping any comments that are against the Trump/Vance election. The right wing dictatorship has already started.
I can only imagine how badly the comments must be running against Trump for them to do that.
The many comments against Trump have been very popular. That’s the right wing WSJ problem. Now they are just running right wing comments mostly with many “thumbs up”. They aren’t even bothering with “bothsiderisms” anymore. Murdoch has really ruined the wsj.
So how many kids (or voters even ) read the WSJ or the NYT ?
Waste of time.
Replying to klynn
July 29, 2024 at 3:33 pm
“SMH. Harris campaign NEEDS to consult a Dem evangelical Christian! (Yes, we do exist!)”
Harris is a long-time member of Third Baptist Church of San Francisco, founded in 1852, led by the Rev. Amos Brown.
As a girl, she was often taken to 23rd Avenue Church of God in Oakland, California, by her neighbor, Regina Shelton, along with Harris’ sister, Maya.
By all means, contact her.
I’m not sure why you are ‘shaking your head’.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/prayer-election-brown-harris-breed-19601742.php
Evangelicals are laughing at the label and circulating the comedian’s stand up routine as a sort of “face palm” at how they interpret the “weird” label as a disconnect.
How very “Christian” of those unlikely Harris voters.
Bless their weird hearts.
Like I typed earlier, SMDH.
She’s certainly familiar with Glide Memorial, which has been in SF’s Tenderloin district since 1930, and has been nondenominational for the last year because it was apparently too liberal for the Methodists.
Please don’t dominate the rap, jack, if you’ve got nothing new to say.
If you please, don’t back up the track this train’s got to run today.
I spent a little time on the mountain, I spent a little time on the hill
I heard someone say “Better run away”, others say “better stand still”.
Now I don’t know, but I been told it’s hard to run with the weight of gold,
Other hand I have heard it said, it’s just as hard with the weight of lead.
Who can deny, who can deny, it’s not just a change in style?
One step down and another begun and I wonder how many miles.
I spent a little time on the mountain, I spent a little time on the hill
Things went down we don’t understand, but I think in time we will.
Now, I don’t know but I was told in the heat of the sun a man died of cold.
Keep on coming or stand and wait, with the sun so dark and the hour so late.
You can’t overlook the lack, jack, of any other highway to ride.
It’s got no signs or dividing lines and very few rule to guide.
I saw things getting out of hand, I guess they always will.
Now I don’t know but I been told
If the horse don’t pull you got to carry the load.
I don’t know whose back’s that strong, maybe find out before too long.
One way or another, one way or another,
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
Greatful Dead
-“America, like ancient Israel before it, has broken its special covenant with God and is suffering the consequences. “The Old Testament prophets they’re quoting talk about sin collectively instead of individually—the nation has fallen into wickedness and needs healing,” Burge said. “The way they use this verse presupposes that we’re spiraling down the tubes.””-
Why do conservatives hate America?
Yeah. That’s just weird…and downright creepy.
Wow, Marcy, thanks so much for the gift link
to McKay Coppins’ article in the Atlantic!
THE MOST REVEALING MOMENT OF A TRUMP RALLY
A close reading of the prayers delivered before the former president speaks
McKay Coppins JULY 29, 2024, 6 AM ET
I don’t think it’s “conservatives”, per se. The never-Trumpers still hold conservative values. It’s about a last gasp for all the privileged mostly-white-men who desperately want to maintain a power advantage over all others, be they of a different skin color, a different sex, and everybody whose political ideology is equal to or to the left of what used to be called “right of center”. Throw in fanatical Christians (both evangelical protestants and radical catholics), closet racists (now out in the open),
and leverage effective cult dynamics and mis-/dis-information through abusive media used on under-educated folks, and you have potent brew for the idea of dismantling democracy, which is just too messy, too involving and apparently too anxiety-provoking for many of these folks. We got a fight on our hands, that’s for sure…
Well, I was going for satire of the “why do liberals hate America” cliché frequently spouted by right wingers, not a nuanced analysis of conservative factionalism.
Ah, I see! Nuance sometimes gets lost without hearing tone of voice…
The sins of Israel like adultery, greed, mistreating the poor, taking bribes, greed and money-hoarding, deceit and dishonesty, blasphemous idolatry, etc? Trump is the embodiment of the sins these dudes believe Israel was punished for. Why do they hate the Bible?
The Room Were It Happens, the musical Hamilton: Hate the sin, love the sinner.
This is why I’m leaning toward Walz as the VP choice. He’s taking the “look at these effing clowns, can you believe this sh** !?” approach and it’s very derogatory without all the pearl clutching re: “the end of Democracy”. (No, I don’t wish to argue over the “end of Democracy”)
Walz hasn’t even touched on Steven Miller. Yet.
[Moderator’s note: you are busting my chops, man. Letter case matters, and your established username is Mixed Case, like “Error Prone.” It is NOT all lower case “error prone” as you see below which I have cleared this one time to make a point. /~Rayne]
so this is what digging your grave looks like:
give the stupidest, most depraved imbecile, traitor and convicted Felon a megaphone to let the true immorality and lawlessness of the Republican Party shine forth for all the world to see
This post also brings to mind that compilation of messages from a book author, a religious leader, and a pollster that was found with classified records in Trump’s office at Mar-a-Lago.
As Marcy said some time back (Feb. 2022?), it was one of a set of documents that his attorneys were trying to claw back, along with the clemency packages.
I still remember that photo of Lev Parnas with Mike Huckabee in Israel. Huckabee publishes various children’s books with a decidedly rightwing slant and questionable “facts.” Maybe Huckabee is the book author, maybe not. Maybe Franklin Graham is the religious leader, maybe not. There definitely are many possibilities.
This post also brings to mind two of the pillars of the Project 2025 Mandate, the one on personnel and the one on training. There are a multitude of weird people and ideas in those two components of the manual.
Trump consistently says depraved things, regardless of the specifics. He doesn’t belong anywhere near public office.
Mehdi Hassan summarizes the entirety of Project 2025 in 2 minutes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_o4eHYiE0Y
I don’t understand why journalists just don’t ask Trump what he meant. They never seem to do so, for just about anything he says. Instead, they seem to run for a spicy Steven Cheung snap-back press release and make that the centerpiece of any story they write.when Trump says something outrageous
Any “journalists” that get close enough to Trump are vetted by his campaign so they sure as shit ain’t gonna ask him about anything!
Why follow up on that anyhow? Take him at face value, operate from there especially since he’s already said he wants to be a dictator on Day One. Most folks have already been taking him at his word apart from Radatz who blew by it so fast that it looked more like she and her news org didn’t believe he said it.
You know who already took Trump at face value and almost immediately? See the Villagers at 0:21 in this 27-JUL-2024 video https://youtu.be/fKDkqqDiFkw?si=TX-KWh8JcjR7oxVs&t=21
Talk to voters as if they already know the truth because they do when the commercial news orgs can’t/don’t/won’t report or believe the facts Trump offered them.
Apparently, Laura Ingraham asked him to elaborate last night. He said that he will fix the country so that they won’t need to vote in order to perpetuate MAGA. So, either he will rig the vote so that he wins no matter who votes or he will have eliminated the opposition.
His elaboration is now more worrisome.
Ingraham walked right into the cow pie by asking him to elaborate when no elaboration was necessary — should have taken him at face value which was wholly accurate.
I’m no more worried than I already was. What worried me more was the recent NYT piece about MAGA attacking local election operations, including districts under Republican election clerks. See https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/06/us/politics/nevada-election-clerk-trump.html
This piece was published in online edition Thursday June 6, made print front page on Sunday June 9. So few people remarked on it in my social media when it should have gotten intense scrutiny because this quite-good piece of reporting shows a template the MAGA-GOP will use across the country to subvert the 2024 general election.
This is what I think Trump is already “fixing.”
“My, beautiful Christians, welcome to the Arena.”
Yeah, definitely gonna get eaten by the lyin’s…
*rim shot*
Good one.
The lions await. And they aren’t partial to christians or non-christians. But they need to be fed and the royal crowd needs to be amused.
Expect to see some familiar billionaire and totalitarian heads-of-state in attendance, enjoying your demise.
It’s the Trump-o-Dome—2 gods enter, 1 god leaves.
Leopards need another helping of faces, after all.
Creepy Weird
Fe-fe, fi-fi, fo-fo, fum
Creepy weird in the auditorium
Charlie Kirk, Charlie Kirk
He’s a jerk, that Charlie Kirk
He’s such a crackpot
just you wait and see
(Why’s everybody always flippin’ on me)
Hear him shoot the breeze
We know that’s him
Yellin’ Trump for forty-seven
He bows to fascism
Charlie Kirk, Charlie Kirk
He’s a jerk, that Charlie Kirk
He’s such a crackpot
just you wait and see
(Why’s everybody always flippin’ on me)
Who’s always weird and off-the-wall
Turning Point needs an overhaul
Who’s always such an odd ball
Guess who (who, me)
Yeah, you
Who walks in the back room
weird and slow
Who calls Newt Gingrich
leader Daddy-O
Charlie Kirk, Charlie Kirk
He’s a jerk, that Charlie Kirk
He’s such a crackpot
just you wait and see
(Why’s everybody always flippin’ on me)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbBr2bgAbcM
The Coasters “Charlie Brown”
I think nothing would please trump more than political violence in Atlanta, Philly, Detroit & Milwaukee holding down Dem/Harris votes and mucking up the electoral votes in those states allowing SCOTUS to hand him an imperial presidency. Much more attractive to him than conventional campaign to earn popular votes.
It’s “fight, fight,fight” not “vote, vote, vote”
Matt Foley
July 30, 2024 at 12:44 pm
Illegitimi non carborundum.
;)
My father occasionally wore a tie with that phrase on it. Funny.
We were raised as Catholics. He stopped taking us to Mass when I was in junior high (I’m pretty sure he lost his faith) but our mom made us keep going. There was a new young priest who I liked because his sermons were more conversational and relatable (this was in the 70s). Years later I was shocked when I read that he had been kicked out of the church for abusing young boys during that time. I used to go to confession as a boy and in hindsight I feel violated for having to tell dirty secrets to a strange man hiding behind a screen who could be getting his jollies. Oh, you forgive me, Father? Go eff yourself, I don’t need your forgiveness. Yuck.
I stopped going to confession when my life got more interesting.
George Carlin:
‘Cause that’s what they taught us; it’s what’s in your mind that counts; your intentions, that’s how we’ll judge you. What you want to do. Mortal sin had to be a grievous offense, sufficient reflection and full consent of the will. Ya had ta WANNA! In fact, WANNA was a sin all by itself. “Thou Shalt Not WANNA”. If you woke up in the morning and said, “I’m going down to 42nd street and commit a mortal sin!” Save your car fare; you did it, man! Absolutely!
It was a sin for you to wanna feel up Ellen. It was a sin for you to plan to feel up Ellen. It was a sin for you to figure out a place to feel up Ellen. It was a sin to take Ellen to the place to feel her up. It was a sin to try to feel her up and it was a sin to feel her up. There were six sins in one feel, man!
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/07/30/us/harris-trump-election/a3377ed5-6170-5973-9fa8-85167b7118a8 Neil Vigdor July 30, 2024, 3:03 p.m. ET
https://bsky.app/profile/chrisgeidner.bsky.social/post/3kyjgtyir672d
Jul 30, 2024 at 2:32 PM
Sollenberger:
“long running rivalry over controlling the next administration”: LaCivita v. Dans
https://bsky.app/profile/donmoyn.bsky.social/post/3kyjf3z4wud2z
Jul 30, 2024 at 2:01 PM
Links to: Troubling Signs of Cognitive Decline as Trump Struggles to Recognize Closest Aides “I know nothing about Project 2025” statement triggers new concerns about his fitness to serve // Don Moynihan 7/6/24
It’s also entirely possible that Heritage will continue to recruit and promote its program, despite its pledge. Or will do so covertly, or on a distributed basis through other billionaire-funded think tanks, keeping Heritage in the lower profile, but essential coordinating role.
They intend to hit the ground running the first hour Trump returns to the Oval Office. By the time he is sworn in, they will have a host of things for him to sign already on his desk.
They are committed to this. Trump is their last best hope of remaking America in God’s image, and retaking the earthly power the churches lost two centuries ago. I’m also pretty sure that if they stopped to ask Her, God would refuse to give them copyright permission to use Her face and image. If it doesn’t work with Trump, then despite various miscellaneous gains around the country, they are likely to have to wait another generation.
Whatever these people want, they are about as close to God as those who burnt Joan of Arc at the stake.
“Project 2025 director to step down after ‘pressure from Trump campaign’. Paul Dans ‘will be departing the team’ over potential government staffing if Trump wins in November.”
This looks a lot more like short-term CYA than a change in strategy for either Trump or Heritage.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/30/project-2025-director-trump
Reply to earlofhuntingdon
July 30, 2024 at 6:15 pm
CYA and power struggle. Now it’s time to force Team Trump to own “Agenda47” (sic):
source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_47
It’s just Project 2025 rebranded and co-opted with some plausible deniability sprinkled over it.
Thank you, harpie!
Seems like the equivalent of a candidate trying to clean up their social media accounts. Too late, the agenda is out in the open.
Marcy has a post up about this and how it relates to the presidential race:
https://www.emptywheel.net/2024/07/31/trumps-stranglehold-on-the-gop-is-a-vulnerability/
Have Christian Nationalists really thought through this statement Trump once made:
“I like people who weren’t captured.”
Trump’s promises to only need to vote once make sense in light of this:
https://www.propublica.org/article/inside-ziklag-secret-christian-charity-2024-election
“A network of ultrawealthy Christian donors is spending nearly $12 million to mobilize Republican-leaning voters and purge more than a million people from the rolls in key swing states, aiming to tilt the 2024 election in favor of former President Donald Trump.”