Judge Mark Scarsi Orders Briefing on Whether David Weiss Is David Weiss

I don’t think Judge Mark Scarsi is going to be very sympathetic to Hunter Biden’s arguments.

But I will give him this: The judge works quickly and attentively.

Just days after Hunter Biden submitted his reply briefs, Judge Scarsi noticed that Hunter’s attorney Abbe Lowell raised two issues in his replies to two technical motions to dismiss that Lowell had not raised in his original motions. Scarsi issued an order offering David Weiss the opportunity to file 5-page sur-replies to each and also ordered Lowell to submit three exhibits he mentioned if he wanted those to be considered as part of the record.

One new issue pertains to whether Weiss is estopped (pages 4-6) from arguing that Hunter was a resident in California in 2017 and 2018 after asserting he was a resident of DC in the DE tax information (I’m not convinced the record on that point backs Lowell).

A more interesting — but related one, one I have raised — has to do with whether two tolling agreements that Hunter signed with the US Attorney for Delaware and DOJ Tax Division apply in the case of an indictment obtained by Special Counsel David Weiss.

I. THE TOLLING AGREEMENTS DO NOT TOLL THE SOL BECAUSE THE SC IS NOT A PARTY TO THOSE AGREEMENTS

The SC’s reliance upon two tolling agreements with Biden is misplaced because the SC is not a party to those agreements. Those agreements are between Biden and the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Delaware and the Tax Division at Main Justice (which acts through specific U.S. Attorney’s Offices). At the time Biden entered into these tolling agreements, he knew he was being investigated for tax violations by the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Delaware, District of Columbia, and the Central District of California, but he entered tolling agreements only with Delaware. Venue and statute of limitations considerations would be unique as to each District.

Similarly, Biden did not enter into any tolling agreements with the SC, as no SC had even been appointed to investigate him when these tolling agreements were signed. The fact that the U.S. Attorney for Delaware David Weiss was subsequently appointed as SC—as opposed to someone else—does not mean the SC’s Office suddenly became a party to those prior agreements. The agreement is with the office, not the man (who did not sign these agreements in any event; AUSA Leslie Wolf signed on behalf of the Office and she is not a member of the Special Counsel’s Office). Weiss’s U.S. Attorney team is separate from his SC team, complete with distinct websites, email addresses (which they insist be used in place of their USAO addresses), stationary, and, more importantly, different responsibilities. Surely, the Delaware Office would not claim that such agreements become void whenever the U.S. Attorney leaves the office. Nor could anyone claim the State of Delaware would be a party to such an agreement if Weiss had become Attorney General of the state instead. Similarly, if John Doe had been named SC, instead of Weiss, there would be no basis for Doe to claim he inherited the tolling agreements entered into by Weiss or any other U.S. Attorney.

Tolling agreements are contracts, and the entry into those agreements by one U.S. Attorney’s Office does not typically bind other government entities absent language saying so. See, e.g., United States v. Viola, 562 Fed. App’x 559 (9th Cir. 2014) (Probation not bound by U.S. Attorney’s plea agreement); see also SOS Co. v. E-Collar Techs., 2017 WL 5714716, at *5 (C.D. Cal. Oct. 17, 2017) (tolling agreement did not apply to non-party that was not the alter ego of a party); Osman v. Young Healthcare, 2023 WL 2021703, at *7 (E.D. Va. Feb. 15, 2023) (tolling agreement with Department of Labor with respect to certain named plaintiffs’ claims did not extent to unnamed plaintiffs); United States v. FedEx Corp., 2016 WL 1070653, at *1 (N.D. Cal. Mar. 8, 2016) (finding tolling agreement with one company did not apply to a related company, even where government believed the agreement covered all related entities); Morning Star Packing v. Crown Cork and Seal, 2004 WL 7339592, at *7 (E.D. Cal. Aug. 3, 2004) (tolling agreements cannot be extended to new parties). The general rule is that agreements entered into by one U.S. Attorney’s Office binds only that office, unless stated otherwise. United States v. Annabi, 771 F.2d 670, 672 (2d Cir. 1985) (“A plea agreement binds only the office of the United States Attorney for the district in which the plea is entered unless it affirmatively appears that the agreement contemplates a broader restriction.”).2 Federal prosecutors in one office, for example, may prosecute a defendant who is immunized by an agreement with another office. See, e.g., Sertich, 649 F.3d 545, at *1 (ND Ind. Prosecution not barred by CDCA plea agreement); United States v. Laskow, 688 F. Supp. 851, 853 (E.D.N.Y. 1988) (finding EDNY prosecution not barred by CDCA plea agreement).3 What is good for the goose is good for the gander. The same rules that hold one U.S. Attorney’s Office not bound by plea agreements reached with other Offices mean that one Office cannot seek the benefits of tolling agreements reached by other Offices. Prosecutors should not be allowed to elect whether they are or are not bound by agreements between other Offices and defendants, depending on what suits them. Moreover, as with plea agreements and diversion agreements, any ambiguities in tolling agreements are construed in the defendant’s favor. See, e.g., United States v. Spector, 55 F.3d 22, 26 (1st Cir. 1995); United States v. Goyal, 2007 WL 1031102, *3 (N.D. Cal. Apr. 3, 2007).

2 The Diversion Agreement made with respect to Biden illustrates the difference. It provides: “This Diversion Agreement (the ‘Agreement’) is entered into between the United States of America, by and through the United States Attorney’s Office for the District of Delaware, and Robert Hunter Biden (“Biden”), collectively referred to herein as ‘Parties,’ by and through their authorized representatives.” (DA ¶1.) Thus, in the Diversion Agreement, the U.S. Attorney’s Office is executing the agreement on behalf of the United States. By contrast, the tolling agreements indicate that the party is the U.S. Attorney’s Office, but not the United States as a whole. Compare United States v. Sertich, 649 F.3d 545, at *1 (9th Cir. Oct. 24, 1995) (unpublished) (explaining an agreement that is confined to a particular U.S. Attorney’s Office binds only that office, as opposed to a more general agreement that binds the United States as a whole), with Thomas v. INS, 35 F.3d 1332, 1335 n.1 (9th Cir. 1994) (explaining an agreement made on behalf of the United States government, as opposed to a sub-part, applies to the government as a whole); United States v. Harvey, 791 F.2d 294, 301−03 (4th Cir. 1986) (explaining that an agreement entered into on behalf of the United States, as opposed to just a particular U.S. Attorney’s Office, binds the United States as a whole); see also Morgan v. Gonzales, 495 F.3d 1084, 1091 (9th Cir. 2007) (“As a general matter of fundamental fairness, promises made by the government to induce either a plea bargain or a cooperation agreement must be fulfilled. . . . A United States Attorney is authorized to enter into cooperation agreements and, in so doing, to make promises that are binding on other Federal agencies.”) (citations omitted).

3 By analogy, Andrea Gacki recently transitioned from her role as Director of the Office of Foreign Assets Control to being Director of the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network. It is difficult to imagine that anyone would think the agreements reached by OFAC under her watch no longer bind OFAC or that FinCEN is now bound by those OFAC agreements.

As I may follow-up, David Weiss is engaged in a number of such shell games, picking and choosing where his legal persons carry over and do not, and where his biological person can avoid accountability.

A far more urgent one than these tolling agreement pertains to discovery: Weiss seems to imagine that by becoming Special Counsel, he avoids discovery into materials held by or known to US Attorney David Weiss, including his conversations with (most pertinently) Los Angeles US Attorney Martin Estrada (who, after reviewing the merits of the case, decided not to join it), DC US Attorney Matthew Graves, and DOJ Tax Division (the last of which is a party to the tolling agreement). This is actually the opposite of how Jack Smith has operated and how the Crossfire Hurricane to Robert Mueller to Jeffrey Jensen inquiry operated with discovery, which carried over as one legal entity became another. I asked Weiss’ office some time ago whether they were adhering to the standard used by other Special Counsels but got no response.

It’s an interesting legal question, so I do look forward to Weiss’ legal commitment to a shell game.

Lowell did submit the three exhibits, which show Weiss withdrawing the plea offer, Chris Clark asking for time to consider it, and Derek Hines emailing the docket entry showing the request to withdraw the plea offer.

Update: I changed my mind, above. Lowell is absolutely right on the estoppel claim. The tax information filed in Delaware describes that Hunter’s residency was in DC in 2017 and 2018. It was signed by Leo Wise, so he can’t very well claim that he, personally, has not made that assertion before.

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  1. Rugger_9 says:

    I would suspect Judge Scarsi will not boot out the case at this point from the way he’s been ruling. However, I also would speculate that Scarsi will also let Lowell get what he wants in his pretrial motions especially with respect to challenging the evidence or bringing in the plea deal. The speculation is purely random at this point.

  2. Savage Librarian says:

    For Whom the Shell Game Tolls

    Yes, I’ll renege, seal, or Barr, oh,
    It’s hand and glove.

    I look at you (I look at you),
    And I see what I’ve been rooking for,
    (I’m rooking for),
    How it’s all a smear. No plea,
    And birds of a feather.

    You make me feel (You make me feel),
    I could breach for the deplorables,
    But crowing ‘devil-may-care’
    sucks for my blood pressure.

    Yes, I’ll renege, seal, or Barr, oh,
    To stop discovery phase,
    And in a hundred ways,
    It’s hand and glove.

    Yes, I’ll renege, seal, or Barr, oh,
    (Yes, I will)
    To stake my status quo,
    And most of all you’ll know,
    It’s hand and glove.

    I always knew (I always knew),
    That the world could be
    a grinding place (A grinding place),
    See, I bring it up to date,
    Better late than never.

    You, you’re like me (You’re so like me),
    Barr nabs your sleeve,
    Lev shakes the whole dirt pile,
    (Whole dirt pile),
    I forget, who has the gun?
    Data lasts forever.

    Yes, I’ll renege, seal, or Barr, oh,
    To stop discovery phase,
    And in a hundred ways,
    It’s hand and glove.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo8SKvqHdQI

    Eurovision 1972 – United Kingdom

  3. tje.esq@23 says:

    Marcy, if you have a moment, I’m wondering what part of the record may not support Lowell’s Venue argument? or am i misunderstanding your parenthetical above?)

    In his Venue MtD, Lowell points to 1) FACTS: a) statements in Hunter’s book and b) dates cited in two different prosecution filings which indicate HB residency in DC up until May 2019, and 2) LAW: requiring permanent abode and intent to reside. On just my read of ONLY Lowell’s Venue MtD (and no other doc where proper venue was discussed or venue facts were asserted), Lowell appears to have facts and law on his side.

    But because you have a comprehensive understanding of even the most minute details of this case, I’m betting you may know other facts about Hunter’s intention to permanently live in CA, or taking up permanent residence in CA, that make this issue not so clear cut.

    It’s also quite possible that because this issue also appears caught up in the willfulness / filing due/ payment due issues, I’m guessing I’m missing something.

    IF EVER A COURT FILING NEEDED A VISUAL TIMELINE, preferably a Gantt-type chart, it would be this one. I know Lowell tried to compose a version of this with one of his attachments, but putting more words in boxes read L-to-R & Top-to-Bottom in 8.5 x 11 in. size, is no substitute for a truly informative visual aide (as your Howard Johnson’s nested squares nicely illuminate).

    • emptywheel says:

      I went back and checked and decided I was wrong. As linked in the post, the DE information absolutely describes that Hunter was a DC resident in 2017 and 2018. Leo Wise signed both the information and the indictment, so even if Scarsi rules that claims that DE USAO made cannot be held against SCO, Wise can’t be signing both conflicting documents.

    • emptywheel says:

      there’s a whole post I haven’t written on this topic.

      DE AUSA Benjamin Wallace remained on the docket until a week or two ago, so maybe they thought his presence kept the tolling going. Then he withdrew to submit a totally pointless declaration in the selective and vindictive filing in LA (but not DE, where it mattered more), saying that he witnessed probation refusing to sign something she wasn’t a party to.

      So maybe they think they can hang it on him?

      Except … he signed it AUSA DE USAO, under the authority of DE US Attorney David Weiss.

      • Ginevra diBenci says:

        What?!? There’s no such person as “DE US Attorney David Weiss.” Not anymore. What am I missing here?

        • emptywheel says:

          There is. That’s one of Lowell’s SCO complaints. You’re not supposed to be both (tho Durham was as well).

        • Ginevra diBenci says:

          Durham seemed to reside in the murk as far as his CT job was concerned, not resigned but never present either. At least he wasn’t promoted to SC because of any case that had come his way in his prior capacity.

          What Weiss is doing seems like double-dipping–from a legal perspective. Is he getting two salaries?

        • Shadowalker says:

          I think Durham was appointed Special Attorney first (with the sole job of investigating and promoting the Russia Gate conspiracy theory), then Barr made him Special Counsel so that he could continue into the next administration.

  4. earlofhuntingdon says:

    RIP, actor M. Emmet Walsh, 88. He created memorable roles in a long film career, including in the original Blade Runner and Knives Out. But my favorite was a cameo he did in the X-File episode, the Unnatural. He played the same-named brother of Darren McGavin’s character in another X-File, the Travelers, Arthur Dales. Like many of us, the brothers had quirky parents.

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/mar/21/m-emmet-walsh-dies-aged-88-actor-cause-of-death-blade-runner-blood-simple-knives-out

    • Bob Roundhead says:

      Wow. What a life. I worked with him a few times over the years. He knew everyone’s name when he showed up on set. He would give out steel Pennie’s and two dollar bills he would sign with your name as a wrap gift. He was a fiercely union man who would self drive to work well into his early 80’s. He will be missed. Godspeed sir.

    • Sussex Trafalgar says:

      Agreed!

      He was great in Fletch; “Breathe easy.” What a great scene as the medical doctor examining Fletch.

      • theartistvvv says:

        The first I recall noticing him was in *Blood Simple* when I was in grad school, dating a film major. I think we watched it three times, altho’ he became a fave of mine after the first.

        (Multiple viewings of *Cotton Club* and some Jim Jarmusch and Wim Wenders flicks, also, the latter making me a Nick Cave fan – I was already a Nick Cage fan.)

    • Thread Theorist says:

      Yes, he was a very memorable actor whom I took strong notice of in the 1984 Blood Simple movie.

      Coincidentally he was in the 1972 movie What’s Up Doc, in a small role at the end as a San Francisco policeman in the courtroom scene. This movie played on TCM last night.

      There were several other actors in that movie with small roles (e.g. Randy Quaid and John Hillerman) who would go on to bigger things.

      • John Paul Jones says:

        Bogdanovich may have been a bit of a pill IRL, but as a director he was uniquely gifted. Not everything he did worked, but an awful lot of it did. What’s Up Doc impresed the heck out of me. When it came out, I sat through it twice (you could do that on one ticket in those days, at least sometimes). Daisy Miller is a master-class in how to adapt a novel. Paper Moon is also pretty darned good.

  5. earlofhuntingdon says:

    I wonder if Donald Trump’s interest in hiring Paul Manafort relates more to his under-the-table fundraising ability more than his ability to stage-manage a convention.

    • Peterr says:

      There is nothing under-the-table about either Manafort himself or hiring him in an effort to put the 2016 band back together. It’s an in-your-face FU to the Mueller team and the DOJ, as well as a not-subtle-at-all nod to Putin, Russia, and Russia-oriented Ukranians.

      • Sussex Trafalgar says:

        Exactly.

        Manafort has been a serial criminal for a long time. Trump, too. Neither one cares about being called a criminal. Both work for Putin.

      • Building Guy says:

        So obvious and typical of these trolls.

        What I haven’t seen anyone connect is any connection between Orban’s Mar-a-LargeO visit and the illegally retained classified documents that may remain concealed there.

        Are we really so naive that we’re following the trolling goose Cannon and ignoring the gander?

      • earlofhuntingdon says:

        Under-the-table referred to fundraising for Trump, who needs a lot of money personally, not just for his campaign. It wasn’t about Manafort’s campaign management skills.

        But, yes, hiring him would be a remarkable FU to Mueller, the DoJ, the rule of law, and the presidency. It’s a good indicator of what he would do to all of them if he regains the White House.

  6. Engprof733 says:

    Give it six months and Weiss will be signing things sovereign counsel, screaming about how Abe Lowell can’t challenge venue because hunter traveled from dc to California rather than flew, and how the diversion agreement is irrelevant because it was signed in front of a flag with a gold fringe and Beau wasn’t in the navy.

  7. BRUCE F COLE says:

    Question: does Lowell undermine his tolling argument with this sentence in his estoppel argument (p 5, lines 13-16):
    “Perhaps the prosecution is unintentionally confusing Biden’s trip to California in 2018 with his eventual permanent move to California (although it knew better when it previously filed the tax Informations in Delaware)…”

    IOW, should that last phrase have been something like “although the DE USA’s team knew better..”?

    • BRUCE F COLE says:

      I actually caught the “DEAG” mistake and thought I’d changed it to “DE USA’s team” before my edit time ran out. Oh well.

  8. hcgorman says:

    “Judge Scarsi noticed that Hunter’s attorney Abbe Lowell raised two issues in his replies to two technical motions to dismiss that Lowell had not raised in his original motions. Scarsi issued an order offering David Weiss the opportunity to file 5-page sur-replies to each and also ordered Lowell to submit three exhibits he mentioned if he wanted those to be considered as part of the record.”
    I don’t know Judge Scarsi but most judges would just consider the issues waived— unless they think those might be winner arguments.

    • emptywheel says:

      Lowell raised them in reply.

      Scarsi DIDN’T give Weiss a second bid at — for example — denying that he reneged on the plea deal bc he was afraid for the safety of his family.

      • Hcgorman says:

        Exactly my point. Issues first raised in reply are normally considered waived. Judge scarsi apparently found the issues interesting enough that he wanted to hear more even though theoretically waived. The judge obviously was not as interested on the issue of family security for Weiss’s family issues.

        • emptywheel says:

          By my understanding, the family security is waived — raised in MTD, not addressed in Response.

          But I don’t think the legal persons stuff was. Not raised in MTD, therefore not responded to in Response, then raised in Reply.

  9. Ginevra diBenci says:

    EW, maybe you could use your influence with Lowell to suggest his team correct the spelling of stationery. In the long block quote they apparently wrote “stationary.”

    I’ve made this mistake. I’m not criticizing, just trying to help clean up the filing.

    • bmaz says:

      Dear holier than thou Rayne, why is my innocuous and correct comment awaiting moderation? What a joke.

      • Rayne says:

        I don’t know why. Perhaps you can tell me why WordPress held it in Pending after spam filter Askimet cleared it, seeing as you’re such a super genius about algorithms and coding and info security.

        Next one of your snotty remarks like this about an algorithm glitch over which I have no control will meet the bin.

        ADDER: Just as other community members are expected to do in comments, get on topic. Stay on topic.

        • montysep says:

          I see your true colors
          And that’s why I love you
          So don’t be afraid to let them show
          Your true colors
          True colors are beautiful

    • Rwood0808 says:

      OR, they are privy/witness to information/actions they want no part of and are bailing out so they don’t go down with the trump ship.

      Several months ago, I asked what would happen if coms were found to exist between trumps legal team and Cannon, and I was told “That would never happen”. I wonder if the FBI has spoken to either of them?

      • earlofhuntingdon says:

        These two clerks are lawyers. They have a general duty of loyalty to their former employer, they may have specific contractual terms to comply with, and they have a professional obligation to keep much of what they know confidential.

        There’s no exception for talking to law enforcement, absent the most grievous of circumstances. Even then, any discussion would have to be carefully managed, or they’ll be laying pipe instead of practicing law.

    • WhisperRD says:

      Lol. That blog post speculates that Cannon has been extraordinarily slow with the Trump case possibly because law clerks have quit.

      And here I thought the causality might be in the opposite direction.

      [Welcome back to emptywheel. SECOND REQUEST: Please use the SAME USERNAME and email address each time you comment so that community members get to know you. You inserted an extra S in your username for this comment AND FOR YOUR LAST TWO; I have fixed them this once but please make a note of it and clear your browser’s cache and autofill. You are at risk of remaining in auto-mod until you fix this problem. /~Rayne]

      • earlofhuntingdon says:

        That first characterization is credulously favorable to Cannon. As you say, the causality almost certainly lies in the opposite direction.

    • BRUCE F COLE says:

      From the substack link you posted:
      “The clerkship lasts only a year; the résumé value lasts for a career.”

      My money is on their motivation being described in that sentence.

      Of course, we won’t know unless one or both of them decide to spell out their reasons. Could be an unplanned pregnancy, or some other personal event. Or it could be that they aren’t stupid and realize (even if they’re Federalist Society-oriented) that she’s treated the law and our national security like a Mar-a-lago doormat. Perhaps she’s ignored their CIPA warnings, or their pointing out to her that Smith is right about any number of outlier positions she’s staked.

      “Clerked for the worst US District Judge in recent memory” is a resume line nobody wants, I’m guessing, unless it could be followed by “which clerkship I resigned after ___ months because of her fanatic ineptitude.”

      Or it could just be early-career burnout.

      • bmaz says:

        Cannon is far from the worst District judge in recent memory, she is simply the hot button one here. One of the two was pregnant, but other clerks have kept working during pregnancy. And if either do actually start talking, they will be blackballed far worse than having clerked for Cannon.

      • earlofhuntingdon says:

        Without obviously good reasons for leaving, unrelated to how hard it was to clerk for Cannon, there is no upside to this for the clerks, except possibly to their self-esteem.

        Two neophyte lawyers who stop working for a federal district court judge because they think she’s nuts or tanking a case for the defense would not be a good look. It would be a ticket to a solo practice, and the possibility of bar sanctions, if they explain their departures in any but the most innocuous language.

        • BRUCE F COLE says:

          Here’s Lat’s follow-up post from yesterday:
          https://davidlat.substack.com/p/clerking-for-judge-aileen-cannon-why-clerks-quit#footnote-4-142843579

          None of it is cut and and dry, and his report actually has the second clerk leaving with lifelines from a law firm and another judge — and the first one who had the baby was actually asked to extend her stint while pregnant because of a previous unplanned vacancy.

          And it all started to go south when Cannon took on the Special Master Disaster. Lat takes a nuanced view of why she’s having such problems, most of it caused by a combination of her scant appellate record which was highly unsuited for trial judging, along with her bias for Trump. He also takes on the maxim that “Clerks never quit.”

    • earlofhuntingdon says:

      A clerkship with a federal court is winning the brass ring: it’s a distinct advantage in the highly competitive world of elite lawyering. They are not given up lightly.

      One clerk quitting would be uncommon, two quitting at the same time would be rare, quitting in protest would be highly unusual. It would “blot their copybook,” that is, create a permanent stain on their career, at least in the FedSoc and wingnut welfare circles that Judge Cannon inhabits.

      If this is true, it’s noteworthy. The issue isn’t so much the practical problems of Cannon having to find and hire other clerks mid-cycle, and their having to get up to speed on her specific cases. The issue is why two left at the same time.

      There are many possible reasons, only a few are suspicious. But I hope this is not a maneuver by Cannon to further slow proceedings.

      • punaise says:

        Clerking is hard work!

        Punaisette did a one-year clerkship for a Federal judge in Los Angeles a couple of years ago. The first three to four months were trial by fire, relentless workload under a lot of pressure. The judge was apparently a decent person but not all that concerned about alleviating the burnout conditions. (There’s just so much judging to get done.) About halfway through she finally achieved a semblance of work/life balance, only to relive the “fire hose” experience at her entry level law firm position. With support from the head of HR (a former practicing attorney, and oh by the way a mom), she eventually recalibrated to establish a sustainable – but still very demanding – workload.

    • harpie says:

      This post keeps getting updated with new relevant information.

      Even though many women can work throughout a pregnancy, there are some complications that might require one to stop working.

      One [imo important] question about this:
      with WHOM have these two clerks been replaced [passive voice intended]?

      • bmaz says:

        Full term federal judicial clerks are entitled to opt into full federal health care benefits (it is fantastic). Why would they quit instead of taking leave? Especially if pregnant? I have known at least one and she simply worked through it.

        • Reader 21 says:

          The health care point is a good one, and certainly I can imagine trying to jungle being the mother of a newborn and clerking for a busy (and shall we say, relatively new) federal judge would be quite the challenging task.

          That said, clerking for federal judges is a such career-making achievement, and you don’t land such a gig without being great at multi-tasking – I’m just trying to think of classmates who landed federal clerkships (I was certainly not one of them lol) who even took mini-vacations, let alone extended leave (let alone left early) – I’m hard-pressed to think of a single one, TBH.

        • Russalnyde says:

          Sorry, but I can’t resist commenting about a possible typo in Reader 21’s comment. My mother had 5 of us “spirited” offspring to tend while occasionally holding down a full time job. Dealing with us surely felt like being in the ‘jungle’ while she did her best to juggle for the work-life balance.

        • tje.esq@23 says:

          … to weigh in on how vast the reasons to leave post-partum could potentially be…

          You’d be surprised how hostile some former-bottle-feeding-mom work supervisors can be to current breastfeeding moms when we return to work at 4 to 6 weeks and need to pump every 2 hours, initially, and who must rarely resort to using a staff-accessed fridge to store a 16-hour-day’s worth of expressed milk when it exceeds our usually-roomy-space provided by the personal cooler stored discreetly under our desk.

          You can work and pump at the same time, but not work collaboratively face-to-face during 20-30 minute periods every couple hours. And there can be some really weird energy former bottle-feeder supervisors can project passive-aggressively on to her current breastfeeding subordinates, especially if that subordinate is an avid milk producer.

          Yes, strange office ‘politics’ that nursing dads may be well informed about, but that can easily escape notice of others.

          Hostility and ‘judgment’ can detrimentally affect milk supply, so if nursing were something I was passionate about, I could see choosing baby health over job, knowing I could later explain my early departure to any potential future employer. That employer couldn’t lawfully ask about any pregnancy-childbirth connection, but I could sua sponte raise it, especially to alert that potential employer that rearing healthy kids is a priority for me. (There is no reason to take a future job with an employer who also looks askance at your child-rearing choices).

          Again, this is 100% hypothetical to this Cannon-clerk case, but offered to show how vast the possibilities are.

      • earlofhuntingdon says:

        With whom sounds like a line from Sheriff Gillespie. But it’s an important point. Details about who Cannon hired should be out soon, as they’re federal employees.

        It will be interesting to see if these replacements were from the typical pool of new graduates, and whether they were hired to complete the unexpired terms of the clerks who left, or to start the usual two-year clerkship. It will also be useful to compare their bios, to see whether any of them seem more obviously political or hard right wing than the two who left.

      • earlofhuntingdon says:

        Interesting that Republican judges don’t use the usual websites for hiring clerks. They like to keep to themselves and “use word of mouth, back channels, and personal recommendations.” Indeed they do. But once hired, a clerk’s basic CV should be a public record.

        I disagree with the author’s opinion that Cannon’s inexperience in managing trials from the bar or bench plays a major role in her posture in this case. Her process and decisions cut one way, in favor of Trump, and appear more likely to be the result of considerable thought and planning than inexperience.

        She has carefully managed this case to avoid creating an appealable issue, for example, but that appears to favor Trump rather than to protect her from reversal by the 11th Circuit.

        I’m also wondering why this is coming out now. The two clerks left in 2023, and months apart: one in October, the other in December. It’s now the end of March 2024.

        • Just Some Guy says:

          “I disagree with the author’s opinion that Cannon’s inexperience in managing trials from the bar or bench plays a major role in her posture in this case. Her process and decisions cut one way, in favor of Trump, and appear more likely to be the result of considerable thought and planning than inexperience.”

          This seems especially true given her experience as a federal prosecutor before being appointed to the bench. I am not sure why so many commenters (not you) miss that part of her biography.

      • bmaz says:

        Theoretically, a district judge gets two clerks at any one time. It is possible to get a third I think, but at the loss of a secretary.

      • earlofhuntingdon says:

        Cannon is in a one-judge office, oddly like the hard right Matthew Kascmaryk in the Texas panhandle. She apparently normally has three clerks, but now has four, presumably owing to the workload generated by the Trump case.

      • earlofhuntingdon says:

        I don’t find the pro-Cannon list of testimonials in the Original Jurisdiction post persuasive. Former clerks will be dependent on Cannon for recommendations for life. Lawyers from big firms, who appear before her regularly, are unlikely to be critical, lest it prejudice their clients.

    • harpie says:

      I wonder if TRUMP etal were as unhappy with some of Cannon’s clerks
      as they were with Engoron’s.

    • harpie says:

      Info about the clerks/”temp” clerks/dates and one school at 4:32 PM Updates 11-13
      13 is about security clearances.

      Update 11, re the school:

      Interestingly enough, the August 2023 clerk and the temp clerk from January 2024 went to the same T100 law school, which sends less than 1 percent of its graduates into federal clerkships (so I wouldn’t be surprised if the August 2023 clerk helped recruit the temp clerk).

      • harpie says:

        Update 14:

        At this point, I’m planning to write an epic post for tomorrow about goings-on in the Cannon chambers, so keep an eye out for that. But for the record, I finally did hear back from the Southern District of Florida’s Public Information Office: “The Court cannot comment on HR-related matters.”

        • SteveBev says:

          FWIW
          Lawfare Live: Trump’s Trials and Tribulations, March 21

          https://www.youtube.com/live/-oE7JCJ3ufU

          [42:21] discusses the issue of law clerks
          Ben Wittes knows of one of those involved following a tip and has seen their social media which suggests that the reason for leaving was a difficult relationship with the judge.
          He doesn’t want to out the person, but comments: that a clerk would want to work on a high profile case during their clerkship is a factor in assessing the veracity of the account.

        • SteveBev says:

          New piece by David Lat
          https://davidlat.substack.com/p/clerking-for-judge-aileen-cannon-why-clerks-quit?

          Which explains that the Trump search warrant litigation and 11Cir slap down tanked Cannon’s reputation amongst clerks and potential clerks. Resulting in a clerk not taking up a position so an existing clerk held over.

          The pressure of Trump docs criminal case has caused Cannon to become difficult making for a dry unhappy ship.

          The deep dive on the source and circumstances of the grievances suggests that one or more person with knowledge has provided information about matters to David Lat

        • earlofhuntingdon says:

          Yep. The usual reference is to top 10 or top 25. Top 100 out of 150 or so schools does not usually generate bragging rights. (Personally, I think being a top 10% student from a lot of schools is a good indicator of success.)

          If the departing clerks were from top 100 schools, though, a federal clerkship would have been even more valuable to them, which adds to the why leave question.

        • SteveBev says:

          David Lat is reporting that

          “An incoming clerk from a top-three school, worried about a Cannon clerkship being a drag on their résumé, withdrew from the clerkship shortly after the Eleventh Circuit smackdown”

        • SteveBev says:

          His latest piece seems very well sourced and solidly reasoned, it persuasively explains quite a lot about the contretemps that Cannon has created for herself.

          He seems if anything to try very hard to avoid painting Cannon as a Trump partisan.
          But if anything that makes the reportage all the more damning.

        • bmaz says:

          Yeah. Exactly. Will that hit home with Cannon though? Personally, I cut her a too large amount of slack initially. That time is over. And I was, apparently, quite wrong for having done so.

        • SteveBev says:

          Hmm

          Cautioning people against attributing to Cannon partisan malice when, initially at least, her behaviour could be explained by other factors observable in other federal judges, wasn’t wholly wrong.

          Your instinct to avoid leaping to judgment based on conspiracy oriented intuition was reasonable.

          That Cannon has turned out to be, on consideration of a much more substantial record, a proven partisan hack and martinet is just that – a conclusion justified by evidence.

        • dopefish says:

          Perhaps you gave Cannon a little too much benefit of doubt initially, but a lot of people uncharitably assumed she would be partisan before she’d even really done anything to tip her hand.

          With hindsight I think your “wait and see” stance was better.

    • vigetnovus says:

      Hmm… October was right around the time Cannon was letting deOlivera and Nauta keep their obviously conflicted counsel. I wonder if the clerks couldn’t countenance that.

      • harpie says:

        Clerking For Judge Aileen Cannon: A Behind-The-Scenes Look A tale of two clerkships: it was the best of times, it was the worst of times.

        […] The Trump v. United States debacle seriously damaged Judge Cannon’s reputation—and it also created a clerk problem. An incoming clerk from a top-three school, worried about a Cannon clerkship being a drag on their résumé, withdrew from the clerkship shortly after the [December 2022] Eleventh Circuit smackdown. […]

      • earlofhuntingdon says:

        David Lat tries hard to give Cannon the benefit of the doubt. Essentially, his take is that, “She’s bright and capable, if inexperienced, but it was the pressure of the Trump cases that made her a martinet to her clerks and skewed her judgment.” He describes Cannon as largely apolitical.

        Lat seems a tad credulous. If Cannon were apolitical, she would not have been a top FedSoc pick. She would not have issued the first Trump judgments the way she did. She would not have responded to the 11th Circuit’s dismissive slapdown by being this creative, in continuing to assist defendant Trump. She would not have come up with the current posture of the case, which seems designed to dismiss the case against Trump with prejudice, and without giving the DoJ an avenue for appeal. That, in particular, takes craftsmanship and thought.

        As for Cannon being a tense martinet, it might be a panic reaction. But generally, that doesn’t just appear. It’s usually always been there or it doesn’t come out. It suggests the sociopathy the FedSoc looks for. Clerks sign up for a hard tough job – and to learn from the judge while doing it. They don’t sign up for continuous hundred hour work weeks, for a judge unwilling to do the same. They can do that for a lot more money at Sullivan & Cromwell.

        • coalesced says:

          I have been and will continue to be critical and skeptical of Judge Cannon’s rulings/leanings/motives/etc but having read the most recent update, I came away with some sympathy/empathy for her that I previously did not have. If I knew her personally, I’d let her know that it’s ok to ask for help. It can be exquisitely tough for some of us to see/admit to ourselves, and we don’t have the external cues in place because “struggling though it” always worked in the past. If it’s adversely impacting your relationships…..ask. I’m just going to leave it at that.

          Yes your rulings make my brain hurt. Yes I am attaching the phrase “judicial glosses” to everything now for no good reason. Yes your docket is a complete disaster. But I check it every day. And I’d like to read more of your work Aileen. Take care of yourself please.

        • bmaz says:

          Thank you Dr. Freud, exactly how many of her “dockets” are you truly familiar with, if even this one?

      • harpie says:

        Steve Bev and Greg Hunter have already posted the new Lat piece.
        Here are 2 responses to it [both via nycsouthpaw], that seem to be similar to EoH who just posted above:

        Qunita Jurecic:
        https://bsky.app/profile/qjurecic.bsky.social/post/3koce3jjsaq2i
        Mar 22, 2024 at 12:42 PM

        I read this situation a bit differently than Lat: Cannon seems out of her depth and is flailing. Eg see this dispatch from Roger Parloff where Cannon repeatedly fails to understand that the president isn’t subject to normal clearance procedures [link to Parloff]

        And, Joshua Erlich:
        https://bsky.app/profile/joshuaerlich.bsky.social/post/3kocfvwuii22q
        Mar 22, 2024 at 1:15 PM

        david lat is out of his mind/doing his normal bullshit [screenshot]

        it just hit me: Lat describes Cannon as “not particularly political” because he sees her FedSoc association as non-partisan.

        truly an absurd read of the situation.

        • harpie says:

          The beginning of Parloff’s 3/19/24 piece:

          As we await the 10 a.m. start of the hearing at the Alto Lee Adams, Sr. federal courthouse in Fort Pierce, Florida, a younger reporter asks me if I, too, hear music from the Trump rally outside, four floors below. Honestly, I don’t, though my hearing is in decline. But five hours earlier, when I arrived outside the courthouse, police were setting up barricades in anticipation of the rally. […]

        • harpie says:

          All I know is that nyc southpaw, who I respect, thinks his opinion is worth reposting, and what his bio says:

          civil rights lawyer, exhausted

          I had not heard of Lat before, and am looking at different perspectives on his work.

        • earlofhuntingdon says:

          Aileen Cannon might be out of her depth, but I don’t think that explains her posture or rulings. She makes an unnecessarily big deal over his majesty Donald Trump being the defendant. That’s a FedSoc posture not shared by, say, Judges Chutkan or Engoron.

          She is probably less confused about the law than in awe of both Trump and what finding a way for him out of his self-made pickle could do for her career prospects. I think she feigns ignorance in an attempt to draw out arguments favorable to Trump, while trying not to appear so favorable to him it would get her reversed.

          Cannon’s appearances aside, the PRA is straightforward, as is that presidents don’t have or retain normal security clearances. So are routine evidentiary questions and the normal timing for holding hearings about jury instructions. She’s done the latter out of turn in order to use it as a hook for something else she wants to do. While avoiding reversal by the 11th Circuit is important, that’s just a tool to protect Donald Trump.

        • Ithaqua0 says:

          Not so sure we need that “in awe of … ” to explain her. She comes out of the South Florida Cuban community, which is extremely pro-Republican and, these days, extremely pro-Trump: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/18/florida-miami-cuban-americans-republicans. It could well just be that she grew up in a world where Democrats are almost universally despised as incompetent Communist appeasers. (Although born in Colombia, her mom was a Cuban who fled after Castro took over, and they moved to Miami early in her life.)

          Sample quote from the article (there’s actual data in there too, not just anecdotes:) “I deeply hate communism, and Democrats today are complete communists,” Dominguez said. “They’re against rich people and millionaires who have companies. If a country goes against big companies – the ones who employ people – the country goes south like it happened in Cuba.”

        • earlofhuntingdon says:

          Dichotomies are unnecessary; motivation is rarely singular.

          Cannon is certainly solicitous to one defendant, who used to be a public employee. She spent years as an AUSA in the SDFL, and went to the federal bench without any time in the defense bar, which does not routinely elicit that kind of response. That seems especially true for someone you say comes from and agrees with such a hard right political environment.

        • SteveBev says:

          What has struck me about the latest reporting is the extent to which conservative legal networks and conservative judiciary have operated to reassure the disaffected clerks and potential clerks that declining to work with Cannon will not undermine their careers.
          The follow on point is that despite this and the slap down from 11Cir Cannon has continued on her maverick ways. Which in turn indicates a degree of rigid self belief impervious to criticism or correction, even from those within the same ideological spectrum, which is worrying in any position but especially from a judge.

        • bmaz says:

          Welcome to the federal judiciary. It was like this when I started (not just with young judges), and still is. Don’t take too many conclusions from Cannon.

        • earlofhuntingdon says:

          A “rigid self-belief impervious to criticism or correction” is common among those drawn to the law (and medicine). Litigators (and surgeons) have a reputation for it, as do top sales people everywhere, not just the proverbial sellers of aluminum siding. Standing at the bar or sitting behind the bench tends to wilt those without it.

        • SteveBev says:

          I have appeared before many many judges with a very high degree of self regard, but also a substantial number for whom it was a pathological condition. We all know the difference when we encounter it, albeit there are always those who seek to excuse members of the second category by suggesting they are just slightly extreme examples of the first category

          My point, albeit not well articulated, is that Cannon is truly in the second category, despite various attempts to place her on the ‘normal for judges’ spectrum within the first category.

        • bmaz says:

          Yes. But Cannon is not unique necessarily. Which I do not believe is antithetical to your posit. My point is only that she is not unique, cf Kacsmaryk. People need to keep a grip on what is going on. It is not just
          Cannon, and she is not the “worst”.

        • SteveBev says:

          @bmaz

          Don’t disagree at all:

          Which is why I thought you were unduly self critical about ‘cutting her too much slack’ and said so up thread

        • bmaz says:

          Thanks SteveBev, but still think I was a bit credulous. Still think DOJ was wrong to bring that case in SDFL though.

        • Ginevra diBenci says:

          The South-Florida Cuban community *is* overwhelmingly Republican and pro-Trump. The GOP explicitly targets them with Spanish-language ads about the threat of “communism.”

          Yes, memories of Cuba are in play, but not faded ones, and the cynicism with which they are deployed is matched only by the fervor of those receiving them.

        • earlofhuntingdon says:

          Based on those two observations, Erlich seems more observant and less credulous than Jurecic.

      • earlofhuntingdon says:

        David Lat, I think, is beginning to dig a hole. He updates his post with three viewpoints. He has “at least two” sources that say requiring clerks to show up a week early and work for free, to get up to speed, is routine, at least in SDFL. If so, the federal courts need to revise their employment rules. That’s wage theft.

        Lat quotes an unnamed appellate lawyer, who admits to not knowing Cannon personally, but characterizes her as not being “biased,” but “a too-smart appellate lawyer not grounded by [the] reality,” that a trial judge needs to be grounded in. OK. Doesn’t explain her consistently pro-Trump positions.

        And he quotes a rambling argument from a current law clerk, not for Cannon. A “median” judge is not above average to work for…and quitting is not that uncommon, maybe 5%. That’s about the number of people who win at casino gambling, which isn’t all that high – or common. Yawn.

        • bmaz says:

          Lat has pretty good sources usually. I would trust them as much as I would Lawfare at this point. Bottom line is, you can’t tell from either set of undisclosed sources.

    • harpie says:

      At about [32:25] during yesterday’s interview,
      Marcy and Nicole begin to talk about the documents case / LAT’s piece / CANNON

      [37:00] ew: CANNON “has yet to do anything that’s appealable. So, as she keeps, her decisions, well, everyone’s like she’s totally incompetent. Well, she may be incompetent, but she very competently is avoiding giving Jack Smith cause to appeal to the Eleventh Circuit, where she can get her ass handed to her again. […]

      <<< harpie: IF she's “incompetent”, WHO is helping her do this, and HOW?
      It may be by getting particular FedSoc/CNP-approved clerks into her chambers.

      • bmaz says:

        Cannon is far from incompetent, much less stupid. Some of her work as a judge on Trump things is baffling, but not indicative of corruption. Also, don’t think anybody is “helping” her. Not to mention, Cannon is one among of many FedSoc judges that hire clerks approved by the FedSoc approval, again this is nothing unique.

        • harpie says:

          I do NOT think she’s incompetent.

          What seems “baffling” to us, probably makes perfect sense to others.

          One thing that’s [fairly] unique about this case is the Defendant.

        • earlofhuntingdon says:

          The FedSoc approves the judges thingy, then approves their clerks, many of whom become judges is very biblical: begat, begat, begat. It’s also what happens in dysfunctional families and revolutions.

      • harpie says:

        re: The INBREDS:

        What Ginni Thomas and Leonard Leo wrought: How a justice’s wife and a key activist started a movement Thanks to the Supreme Court’s Citizens United ruling, a trove of so-called “dark money” was about to be unleashed. Two activists prepared to seize the moment. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/10/ginni-thomas-leonard-leo-citizens-united-00108082 HEIDI PRZYBYLA 09/10/2023

        […] Other Leo allies have nonprofits and have declined comment to POLITICO on what services they provided in exchange for millions of dollars, including Ronald Cass, a Boston University law school dean emeritus who runs a nonprofit registered to his home address in Virginia called The Center for the Rule of Law.
        […]
        Leo was best man at Cass’ wedding and, in 2018, when Cass’ daughter was a debutante featured at one of the nation’s most exclusive galas, Leo and his wife Sally were among the attendees. Cass was also a longtime friend of Justice Antonin Scalia. In a sign of the family’s proximity to the Supreme Court, Cass was the master of ceremonies at a July 2016 dinner honoring Scalia’s memory. (Leo and Cass both sat at Clarence Thomas’ VIP table according to a seating chart.) Cass’ daughter is slated to clerk for Alito. […]

  10. earlofhuntingdon says:

    Judge Engoron apparently issued an order today, strengthening the powers of the independent monitor over the Trump legal entity defendants, which are liable for the bulk of the judgment in favor of the NYAG. They and Trump are jointly and severally liable for the full amount owed to the NYAG.

    The order apparently includes requiring the prior disclosure to the monitor of all efforts to obtain an appeals bond. It would include offers to issue personal guarantees, proposals, statements purporting to represent the financial condition of the legal entity defendants – which own the bulk of Trump’s real estate assets – and requests for valuations of Trump real estate assets. These would normally be required in connection with any attempt to sell them or persuade a lender to accept them as collateral. “The order…[is] part of a larger ruling detailing and expanding the monitor’s duties.”

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/judge-wants-details-trump-organization-attempts-get-bond-civil-fraud-c-rcna144523

    • earlofhuntingdon says:

      The link below is to the text of Judge Engoron’s order, filed today. He revised, continued and expanded the authority of the independent monitor, and appointed an independent director of financial compliance, both for a three-year period, starting today.

      In effect, instead of canceling the business licenses of the Trump legal entity defendants, the court is allowing them to continue in business under the supervision of the court, via those two representatives. Their job is to observe and assess compliance with the court’s order; the Trumps remain solely responsible for their business decisions.

      Required prior disclosures to the monitor are more detailed and frequent. The court reserves the right to modify its order at any time, and to consider requests from the monitor and the NYAG to do the same.

      https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/ViewDocument?docIndex=5l1P7uiZM2RpQC_PLUS_V9kU7_PLUS_w==

      https://www.rawstory.com/trump-organization-monitor/

  11. bloopie2 says:

    I don’t have much knowledge on this topic, but I’ll pipe up anyway; what the hey.

    I believe that the Diversion Agreement and the Plea Agreement were each entered into between Biden and “the United States of America, by and through its attorney, David C. Weiss, United States Attorney for the District of Delaware”. In contrast, the first listed party to the Tolling Agreement is “The United States Attorney’s Office for the District of Delaware and the United States Department of Justice, Tax Division”.

    Why does the Tolling Agreement not state that the whole “United States of America” is the party? Are Tolling Agreements usually different (in that way) from Plea Agreements” and “Diversion Agreements”? On the face of it, that difference strikes me as a big deal, scrivener-wise. Why shouldn’t it be?

    On whether Weiss’ office is required to adhere to “the standard used by other Special Counsels”, is that “standard” something that is legally binding? Or is a convention that an adverse party relies on at his own risk?

    • emptywheel says:

      You’ve laid out precisely the distinction Lowell is making. The Diversion is universal, the tolling agreements are not, not least because Hunter needed to make sure he didn’t enter into a tolling agreement with DE in context of plea negotiations only to have DC charge him.

      RE: Standards other SCOs use, no that’s not written down at all. It has just been contested several times, always with SCOs erring on the side of overproduction to the defendant.

  12. earlofhuntingdon says:

    Curbed has a nice rundown on Trump’s NYC properties. If it’s accurate, there’s not a lot of there there. And there are other lawsuits looming besides the NYAG’s and E. Jean Carroll’s. Trump’s brand has gone to the dogs, he does not appear well, the monitor won’t let him inflate his numbers, and nobody wants to lend to or do business with him. The balls he’s juggling are about to drop.

    Absent a sugar daddy bailing Trump out, using the excuse of the highly volatile Truth Social shares – the sort of trick Trump has often pulled out of his hat – Trump will be in a world of hurt. But nobody knows better than the NYAG where Trump’s money is and where it’s not.

    https://www.curbed.com/article/trump-lawsuit-real-estate-nyc-letitia-james.html

    • earlofhuntingdon says:

      Of the fourteen properties discussed, Trump’s biggest assets are two ground leases, at 40 Wall St and Niketown, and the commercial and retail space at Trump Tower, which includes his infamous triplex apartment. Of the rest, he manages the property or owns a few units in it.

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