Introduction To Yarvin’s Formalism

The introduction to this series should be read first. It has the index to all posts in this series.

The previous post discussed two aspects of Yarvin’s first blog post, his rejection of current ideologies and his loathing of democracy. This post describes the ideology he created, formalism.

The goal of formalism

Yarvin starts with the proposition that the only truly significant problem facing humans is violence. The goal of formalism is to rid the planet of violence. Only then can we focus on other problems.

Next to organized human-on-human violence, a good formalist believes, all other problems—Poverty, Global Warming, Moral Decay, etc., etc., etc.—are basically insignificant. Perhaps once we get rid of violence we can worry a little about Moral Decay ….

He means exactly this: until violence is ended, we must focus on one thing, getting rid of it. It’s an engineering problem, not a moral problem. He sets up pacifism as an alternative, and of course pacifism doesn’t solve violence.

He also dismisses the idea of social justice as a solution. He describes social justice as the idea that we should all have an equal share of the limited resources available to us. He says we don’t know how to equalize things, it won’t last, and it isn’t practical. We’d have to start by setting up rules about equality in things, and then take from some to give to others.

Solving violence with rules

Violence is the result of conflict and uncertainty. People are in constant conflict about stuff, but if everyone knows the result of the conflict in advance, there’s no reason to engage in violence. He seems to think that’s true of state-level conflict too: if we knew how a war would turn out, why wouldn’t the losing side surrender, he says. So, the first step is creating rules of ownership.

Formalism says: let’s figure out exactly who has what, now, and give them a fancy little certificate. Let’s not get into who should have what.

The starting place is where we are now. We make a list of everything that can be owned, and whoever has it gets to keep it. Then we can define violence:

Violence, then, is anything that breaks the rule, or replaces it with a different rule. If the rule is clear and everyone follows it, there is no violence.

The United States is a corporation

Formalism says that the US government controls what happens inside the boundaries of the US. It has the power to collect taxes and make rules of behavior, and these powers are property, just like any other property right. The government isn’t going to voluntarily surrender them.

Yarvin tells us that the US government is a corporation, meaning “… it is a formal structure by which a group of individuals agree to act collectively to achieve some result.” In this setting citizens are serfs, actually corporate serfs. I think he sees private corporations as no different from the US government. He explains that the purpose of his exemplar, Microsoft, is to make money for shareholders by selling software.

But he doesn’t see the purpose of the US government. He thinks the government isn’t able to control much.

In fact, if anyone can identify one significant event that has occurred in North America because Bush and not Kerry was elected in 2004, I’d be delighted to hear of it. Because my impression is that basically the President has about as much effect on the actions of the US as the Heavenly Sovereign Emperor, the Divine Mikado, has on the actions of Japan. Which is pretty much none.

In his view, the US government is a poorly functioning corporation with no discernible control mechanism, loaded with assets and flailing around trying to do something for opaque reasons.

Yarvin’s solution

To a formalist, the way to fix the US is to dispense with the ancient mystical horseradish, the corporate prayers and war chants, figure out who owns this monstrosity, and let them decide what in the heck they are going to do with it. I don’t think it’s too crazy to say that all options—including restructuring and liquidation—should be on the table.

Snip

To reformalize, therefore, we need to figure out who has actual power in the US, and assign shares in such a way as to reproduce this distribution as closely as possible. Links omitted.

He suggests that the current power structures be evaluated and shares in the reformalized US be distributed on the basis of the power of each recipient. Corporations have power, and would be shareholders. He cites the New York Times as an example. Perhaps some citizens have power, and might get shares, but that’s not clear. In any event, having divided up the power, we let the people with power decide what to do with the assets they control. The rest of us just stay out of the way.

The new power structures may not see the use for nation-states. He suggests that cities, but not states, perhaps should be “spun off”; pointing to Dubai, Singapore, and Hong Kong as positive examples. He points out that there isn’t any political violence in those city-states because there isn’t any politics.

That seems to be Yarvin’s main point. He thinks politics always leads to violence of some kind, whether it’s the violence of taxation or of limits on personal freedom, or physical violence. Somehow that problem is solved by getting rid of politics and replacing it with system of control by those who hold power now.

Discussion

1. I rearranged the order of the arguments hoping to clarify.

2. One obvious thing about this is the reductionism. Violence is a problem, sure, but we can’t wait for that to be solved before dealing with other problems. Those lesser problems, poverty, climate breakdown, moral decay, are at the root of a lot of the violence.

Another is the casual acquaintance with reality. This post was written ten years after Hong Kong was returned to China, and the latter was encroaching on democracy there. Anyone who has seen Crazy Rich Asians will see the outcome of the structure Yarvin imagines: great for the rich sons and daughters of the rich in Singapor.

3. The purpose of the United States government is set out in the Preamble to the Constitution. Yarvin doesn’t address it.

4. Yarvin takes the side of Walter Lippman in his debate with John Dewey over democracy, and goes even farther. Here’s a short paper describing the debate. Very roughly, Lippman thinks that our civilization is too complex for the ordinary citizen, so we should select experts to handle the complexities and advise the government rather than depend on the wisdom of the masses.

Dewey thinks that citizens should be educated in critical thinking, so they could participate in the discussions on issues that affect them. The people most affected by an issue would constitute a “public” in his parlance. This post gives an introduction to his thinking.

But Dewey had a larger reason for supporting democracy. From the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy:

Dewey views democracy as an ideal of associated life in the sense that as an ideal he thinks that it reconciles the full expression of individual potentialities and the common good. In this sense, democracy sits at the apex of his historicised naturalist account of individuality and community. “From the standpoint of the individual”, as he puts it, democracy “consists in having a responsible share according to capacity in forming and directing the activities of the groups in which one belongs and in participating according to need in the values which the groups sustain”, while “from the standpoint of the groups, it demands liberation of the potentialities of members of a group in harmony with the interests and goods which are common”…. Cites omitted.

Yarvin doesn’t address this debate.  He thinks the problems with democrcy, most of which were laid out by Lippman and Dewey, are so great that the solution is to burn it to the ground. So far he hasn’t identified a view of the individual that would enable him to address Dewey’s view of democracy. instead, he consistently ignores individual citiaens as if we were irrelevant to this discussion.

 

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  1. earlofhuntingdon says:

    Yarvin’s fantasy of getting rid of violence would seem to require getting rid of humans first. At least those humans who disagree with him. Conflicts are endemic to life. From the cradle, the mind wrestles with what it needs, what it wants, and what it gets. Yarvin sounds like an economist, whose solution to his primary problem is to assume it away.

    • Peacerme says:

      Conflict does not require violence. Wisdom comes when we fully accept that violence damages the brain causing mental illness. Conflicts can be solved without violence. We need to radically accept this truth. We cannot make better decisions or solve problems if our brains are unable to regulate emotion or discern reality. We need sanity to resolve conflict. Flexible thinking. Creativity. Perhaps some power and control but to minimize since we know it damages our brains causing mental illness.

      What if we truly understood the cost of violence to the human being? I think we are in denial. Conflict is helpful. It promotes problem solving. Violence is a solution that damages our brains.

    • Sandor Raven says:

      Power, force, and “getting rid of violence”. Power is a possession and force is what those with power apply to others. Those with power can apply a force for evil, which creates victims by way of violence or inaction. In what way is Yarvin a victim subject to “violence”? But those with power also can apply a force for good, which creates beneficiaries: “Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” Which of these is Yarvin lacking?

    • Yogarhythms says:

      EH, Ed, et al,
      “Yarvin sounds like an economist, whose solution to his primary problem is to assume it away.”
      Earl, has captured Yarvin’s manifesto as an assumption. Most of us have learned the error too assume but not yet Yarvin.

    • kpavlovic says:

      Begging the question in your assumption(s) is not an uncommon fallacy found only among economists.

  2. earlofhuntingdon says:

    Walter Lippmann argued that people were too self-centered to concern themselves with public policy. His perspective seems naively narrow, perhaps owing to his upbringing in a wealthy, white immigrant family, living in Manhattan’s Upper East Side. Leaving aside individual variation, I suspect most people are exhausted finding work, housing, food, and educating their children to have much energy left over for broader politics.

    • Sandor Raven says:

      “I suspect most people are exhausted … [and don’t] have much energy left over for broader politics.”

      Yes. And most people are exhausted, too, from the joy and suffering of simply being a father or mother; a husband or wife; a son or daughter; a sister or brother; a friend and neighbor.

      Zen Saying:
      Before enlightenment, chop wood, carry water;
      After enlightenment, chop wood, carry water.

    • Discontinued Barbie says:

      This is by design.

      I know that sounds like a glib internet response, but author Carol Anderson has laid out a very clear cut case of why and how power structures have done this in her book, One Person, No Vote: How Voter Suppression Is Destroying Our Democracy.

  3. Ed Walker says:

    i am very late to reading Yarvin. i suggest following jenny Cohn on Blue Sky, @jennycohn.bsky.social, who seems to have been doing this for a while, and is keeping up with his current posts on substack.

  4. Bill Crowder says:

    Maybe Yarvin would benefit from doing some reading on primate, including pre-homo sapiens, conflict?

    • Sandor Raven says:

      And not just primate against primate. For example: even turkeys during mating season, or when establishing dominance within a flock, will engage in bloody fights lasting over many days and result in one killing another. The forces of nature, and all who are subject to it, are steeped in violence.

  5. Thomas_H says:

    Thank you for this excellent summary and discussion of Yarvin’s essentially misanthropic philosophy. In the April 18th edition of Science magazine I read a review of a book; More Everything Forever: AI Overlords, Space Empires, and Silicon Valley’s Crusade to Control the Fate of Humanity by Adam Becker. I have not read the book myself. The reviewer writes that the author describes additional “isms”, to Yarvin’s Formalism that have bubbled up from the “Tech-bro” culture of Silicon Valley. Becker concludes that the solution is the dismantling of the billionaire class. To my mind this is an interesting finding as it arises out of the scientific community: Becker is an Astrophysicist. I look forward to reading this book after ordering it from my local bookstore.

    • Verrückte Pferd says:

      Adam Becker had an article in the Guardian saturday…

      https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/03/tech-oligarchs-musk

      – the fundamental ideology underpinning the culture of Silicon Valley’s venture capitalists and CEOs has always had a far-right libertarian core. This is even true for Andreessen: while he likely believed what he said while he was saying it, his own words and actions make it clear that he wasn’t giving an accurate assessment of his own motivations, much less anyone else’s. His venture capital firm, Andreessen Horowitz, has long opposed government regulation of any sort that touches on their investments; Andreessen himself posted a “techno-optimist manifesto” that, despite its claim to be politically neutral, promotes an authoritarian vision of unfettered power for tech oligarchs. He even lovingly paraphrases Filippo Marinetti, the co-author of the Fascist Manifesto.

      There’s so much more in the article, the book itself must be worthwhile.

      • P J Evans says:

        Too many of them seem to think that Ayn Rand was a prophet, rather than a not-very-good fiction writer.

        • Discontinued Barbie says:

          She loved the fact that a serial killer could kill without guilt!!

          I looks as though, they don’t want to be moored to their conscience. They revel in the fact that Trump does not have a conscience.

          I too would like to unburdened by my instilled Catholic guilt, but these people want to take it to the next level, to act with impunity.

          “In her notebooks, Rand makes a hero of both Hickman and the fictional Renahan, who murders a church pastor instead of a child, and extols the killers’ beautiful souls, which rise and set without a trace of “social instinct or herd feeling.” Of Hickman she writes, “A strong man can eventually trample society under his feet … That boy was not strong enough.” ”

          https://time.com/3951166/ayn-rand-ideal-fountainhead/

      • Epicurus says:

        I would recommend , as I do occasionally, a book titled Oligarchy by Jeffrey A. Winters. Oligarchs exist and have legions of technical helpers to protect their wealth and their streams of revenue (family offices!). They do that best by buying off and controlling those at the top of the US governmental chain and cementing wealth and income rules (property protection) in their favor, such as royalties, patents, estate taxes and income tax levels. Darrell Issa took the direct route to wealth protection as he is worth, what?, about $500 million or more (car alarms!) and he is a governing voice, along with his former henchman Kash Patel, in the Congress.

        The US form of oligarchy was a trade off: oligarchs gave up their literal, traditional protecting armies like those of the Roman Caesars in exchange for Constitutionally codified legal property protection. Think slavery as one example. Anti-slavery judges followed the law and returned slaves to “owners”. It has only strengthened in 250 years to the intellectual property power undergirding today’s oligarchs. AI presents a huge issue for that intellectual property stability so there is a rush to control of AI by our current band of oligarchs.

        Yarvin is just pimping for oligarchs. He is delusional. But it is a convenient delusion for the current tribe of lemming Republicans.

        • Ed Walker says:

          This is a good summary of the book, which I have read. For a further discussion of the way oligarchy works in the US, see this paper by Winters and Page, Oligarchy in the United States? https://www.jstor.org/stable/40407076

          It seems like the oligarchs don’t like that bargain any more.

  6. earlofhuntingdon says:

    This critique by Dewey of Lippmann’s proposal seems to be timeless, especially regarding Trump’s administration (from the paper by Michael Boyle on the Dewey-Lippmann debate):

    The real problem, Dewey said, is “…stupidity, ignorance, bull-headedness, and bad education,” traits that could be found virtually anywhere…rearranging things in the manner that Lippmann had suggested, whereby political insiders decide matters under advisement from experts, wouldn’t help much, given that the insiders themselves may very well be stupid, ignorant, and bull-headed.

    • Peacerme says:

      And there is cause and effect relationship between traits like dichotomous thinking, stupidity, ignorance and inflexible thinking (bull headedness) and violence, trauma and power and control. Somewhere in these discussions we need to synthesize this dialectical about the human brain today that could differ significantly from the primate brain.

      But damn we want to hang on to the denial about these traits. Not proposing black and white treatment of violence but instead a dialectical one that thus far has been determined to ignore the non violence polar and instead defend the need for violence.

      • PeaceRme says:

        Not defending Yarvin. He makes the dichotomous thinking mistake. He’s dichotomous and that lends its self to power and control. Circular.

    • Cheez Whiz says:

      This is the problem with any system resting on a foundation of aristocratic elites, whether hereditary, technical, political, or whatever filtering mechanism is chosen. The filtering will always be gamed by those who want power for its own sake, not to manage some system meant to manage property rights or whatever utopia is imagined. Democracy has huge holes in it, but tiny compared to every other system we’ve tried.

    • Ed Walker says:

      Passage Press also published Yarvin’g book, Gray Mirror: Fascicle I: Disturbance.

      • Rayne says:

        Question anything published by Passage Press, founder Jonathan Keeperman.

        This far-right publisher relies on the questionable intellect and impressionable nature of an authoritarian audience. The same people who’ll reflexively believe that because they saw a video or something on TV that the subject was factual and true are also likely to automatically believe whatever was printed on paper and bound in a cover.

        IOW, Yarvin’s crap may not have been able to persuade any other publisher to carry his work apart from a far-right vanity press. I wonder if a journalist has ever asked Yarvin if a deposit was required by Passage Press to get any of his work published.

        • P J Evans says:

          It isn’t, actually. It’s the term for a section of book pages, bound together. My father had an engineering text that was being printed in fascicles for the course (it was the first edition; there’s a later edition, but that was well after he graduated).
          Same root, different meaning entirely.

    • Konny_2022 says:

      Thanks for the link to the Guardian article which I think says all I need to know about this “philosopher” who obviously has no sense whatsoever of history.

      Also thanks to Rita (below) for pointing to the circular reasoning.

  7. kpavlovic says:

    I used to be a philosophy professor. This is precisely the sort of moronic brain dead bullshit I would hear from randian graduate students.

    • Ed Walker says:

      It does have a Randian feel. I read Rand in college, one summer when a minor procedure kept me from working. At that time, I had a rule that I would finish any book I started. Those books were a serious trial of my rule.

      Yarvin is worse. I originally planned to go through his entire ouvre, but that is probably more than I can manage, and probably more than anyone here needs to read.

      • Sandor Raven says:

        “I had a rule that I would finish any book I started.”

        I used to have a similar “book-completion syndrome”. It helps me to remember that: Just because some people have to write books, doesn’t mean that I/we have to read them.

        • P J Evans says:

          I have a Calibre library called DNF, for books I couldn’t finish or which I will only read once. (It isn’t large.)

      • RitaRita says:

        You have read enough to know that you don’t need to read more.

        And you have given us a good flavor of the intellectual heft of Yarvin and have spared us the need to read him. There have been great political philosophers who have provided frameworks for thinking about the various forms of living together in society. Yarvin isn’t one of them.

        The tech billionaires have Masters of the Universe syndrome. They want an intellectual justification for their greed, lust for power, and lack of conscience. Yarvin gives them what they are looking for. It doesn’t matter if he is not doing much more than spewing conclusory statements as long as his ultimate conclusion is that the billionaires should be the overlords and whatever they do is morally just. His job is to put lipstick on the pig.

    • Peterr says:

      Indeed.

      From Yarvin, above: “People are in constant conflict about stuff, but if everyone knows the result of the conflict in advance, there’s no reason to engage in violence.”

      The word “knows” is doing more than a little heavy lifting here. Hitler knew Germany would win his big imperial war. Churchill knew that England and the allies would win. Somehow, all that “knowing” did little to quell the worldwide violence of the 1930s and 40s.

      • earlofhuntingdon says:

        Your comment nicely illustrates Yarvin’s magical thinking. To quote a favorite film of GW Bush’s campaign staff (“Unleash hell!”):

        Quintus: “People should know when they are conquered.”
        Maximus: “Would you?”

    • gmokegmoke says:

      Ah, shades of the late Tibor Machan with whom I had a political conversation by the light of the burning Bank of America in Isla Vista, CA in February 1970. I suspect Tibor might be jealous of Yarvin’s “success.”

  8. RitaRita says:

    Very convenient of Yarvin to define violence as breaking the rules. Rules set up to prevent violence. Kind of circular reasoning.

    He would benefit from studying history, anthropology, biology, psychology, and political philosophy. One obvious gap in his education is understanding how emotions can override rational behavior. The revolutionaries in the American colonies must have known that they were engaging a superior force. And the English certainly had clearly spelled out rules. The revolutionaries knew the rules and the unlikelihood of success. But they engaged anyway.

    • wa_rickf says:

      “…He would benefit from studying history, anthropology, biology, psychology…”

      Too many fact-based disciplines for a delusionist to handle.

  9. john paul jones says:

    “Our civilization is too complex for the ordinary citizen, so we should select experts to handle the complexities and advise the government rather than depend on the wisdom of the masses.” Lippman’s idea was very popular around the turn of the twentieth century, and was espoused, among many others, by H.G. Wells. The Co-Efficients was the name of a group of influencers he hung out with, their watchword being – “efficiency.” But Wells’ point was that modern technology was potentially so destructive that using antiquated systems of command and control – read “aristocracy” – were sure to lead to disaster.

    It’s interesting that Yarvin is essentially re-inventing the early 20th century wheel, even though systems of command and control in the modern world depend much more on technical expertise, whether in corporations or in government.

    Also, I’d be interested in whether he ever comes up with a clear justification for letting the current owners of various properties continue in ownership. Clearly he’s never heard of Proudhon’s “Property Is Theft.”

    The guy seems irritatingly undergraduate, that is, he can think for a few meters, but is impatient with going for a longer distance with the thoughts, and so he just cuts them off and says – “I won’t consider this any farther.” Why? “Because I might end up having to admit that I’m wrong, or simplistic, or both.”

    • P J Evans says:

      “The proof is left as an exercise for the reader” – who the author apparently assumes is an expert in the field.

    • earlofhuntingdon says:

      I would say Yarvin is sophomoric, but that would be an insult to sophomores. He seems more like a charlatan and intellectual fraud. He purports to leave the proof of his argument to readers he’s already concluded are incapable of determining it, which keeps him safe from being proven wrong.

      • john paul jones says:

        Hear hear.
        And he strikes me as one of those thinkers who, if you catch them in a contradiction, will simply retreat into a remoter realms of speculation, prefacing each with “What about this, eh?”

        • Sandor Raven says:

          And perhaps is a good reason why they should not be legitamized in a debate. I hope that today’s goes well for our Harvard Professor.

    • Artemesia says:

      Having lived through the bright bright hope of the best and the brightest I find it hilarious that anyone thinks tech bros have a clue about how to run the world.

      • P J Evans says:

        Most of them have yet to learn how to run their own lives. (My father had a class in college, in the late 1930s, on home ec for guys.)

        • Artemesia says:

          My father was in college in the late 30s and I can guarantee that he took no course related to life skills. He lived in a rooming house after graduation so breakfast and dinner were taken care of and he and his roommates who worked at the same company took turns making baloney or peanut butter sandwiches and packing lunches for everyone

  10. Thaihome says:

    Would highly recommend the book More Everything Forever by Adam Becke for a very thorough analysis of the whole techbro wacko fantasy of what they try to pass off as philosophy. Yarvin is not even close to worst wingnut

  11. Mike Stone says:

    There is so much I disagree with regarding Yarvin beliefs that I do not know where to begin.

    First, some significant amount of violence is caused by people with mental illness. He does not seem to address this issue. Additionally, some amount of violence is caused by it being a learned behavior. Again, he does not address this.

    Second, I strongly believe that anyone who has unlimited power is likely to abuse it. We see example throughout history of rulers who routinely abuse power and hurt others because they can.

    Moreover, in our present society, people with unlimited wealth have psychological positive feedback loops wherein everyone around them gives them constantly positive and reinforcing statements (i.e., sir, you are so smart; sir, you are always right; etc.) that frankly cause these people to drift into a mental state of thinking they are better than anyone else (e.g., Elmo).

    Third, the statement: “In fact, if anyone can identify one significant event that has occurred in North America because Bush and not Kerry was elected in 2004, I’d be delighted to hear of it. Because my impression is that basically the President has about as much effect on the actions of the US as the Heavenly Sovereign Emperor, the Divine Mikado, has on the actions of Japan. Which is pretty much none,” is completely bogus from my standpoint.

    Yarvin purposely picks Bush versus Kerry after Bush and Cheney engineered a middle east war. Obviously, Bush and Cheney were consequential in ways that were destructive to the US and the middle east. Moreover, how does Yarvin know what Kerry would have done? He can’t, so this is a strawman argument at best.

    Lastly, it seems we have an almost endless list of reasons of why monarchies/dictatorships are bad most of the time. Whereas we have a relatively limited experience with democracies. Why would any individual want to live in a society wherein they had no say, no vested interest, no ability to shape their destiny, etc. It does not make sense and this guy Yarvin gets too much attention in my opinion.

    • Sandor Raven says:

      “getting too much attention”

      From commenters here and in previous posts (thank you), I am adding to my descriptors of Yarvin, the techbros, their accolytes. They are:

      “Just freaks and sub-sophomoric wingnuts, with shallow personalities and no sense of history, espousing shallow misanthropic philosophies filled with bogus, moronic, brain dead bullshit, making strawman arguments, and smoking things that should never be smoked.” Again, not so kind. But it will more than put to rest the question of whether or not they are worth listening too.

      • Sandor Raven says:

        Despite what I just wrote, and on something of a kinder note:

        Mike Stone: “First, some significant amount of violence is caused by people with mental illness.”

        Yarvin, among others apparently, are sympathetic to the motivation of Anders Breivik. I was curious about Breivik’s motivations and found that his early life was horrific and forecast from even before he was born. While pregnant with Anders, his mother (who had her own difficult childhood) believed that he was a “nasty child” and that he was “kicking her on purpose”. She wanted an abortion, but …. (per Wikipedia).

        Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACEs) refer to traumatic events that occur during childhood, typically from birth to age 17. A meta-analysis evaluating functional MRI in 34 studies of adults reporting ACEs compared to controls found INCREASED activation in the right amygdala (plays a vital role in basic survival behaviors, particularly fear and threat detection, and in healthy social interactions), along with DECREASED activation in the middle frontal gyrus (plays a role in planning, decision-making, and organizing thoughts).

        Representing the worst of both worlds, ACE events can literally change the brain, leaving those of us with ACEs to face lasting and far-reaching negative impacts on our health and well-being by way of an increased incidence of anxiety, depression, etc. As someone vulnerable to the consequences of my own ACE, I am grateful that my childhood experiences were merely “adverse” and not “horrific”.

    • Rayne says:

      “this guy Yarvin gets too much attention in my opinion.”

      Nope. Every Nazi who wrote the game plan for Nazism’s proliferation should have been hauled out of their dark cubbyholes and staked in the sunlight.

      I mean, should be. Current tense. Yarvin may sound nonsensical but if the fascists are using his personal philosophy to bolster their actions, Yarvin needs to be baked in the sunlight along with all the others like Chris Rufo and Russell Vought generating the underlying framework for their deadly fascism.

      • Peterr says:

        Given how Samuel Alito gave deference to a 17th century English judge who believed that husbands could not be tried for raping their wives and that witchburning was a good thing, hauling the folks who provide MAGA with a pseudo-intellectual framework out into the sunlight seems like a very good idea.

  12. ShallMustMay08 says:

    I have been following this subject matter on/off since JD came on the scene. This series has been good as I just can not fathom in past. Yet, do now and I appreciate since I want to shut this off. Weirdo is getting platformed in Harvard Square last week.

    I want to shake my head and say go away. IMO -the guy is mad (in the sad sense). Literally I am thinking as I read along again – the clam farms on the coast of Maine- meaning the clams themselves, have more understanding of reality.

    Fascinating links to the Lippman/Dewey debate. I will add but not elaborate other than 11th Gen Mayflower with both politics but most emphasized with my lifetime – manufacturing in the blood. Pay your bills. Pay your workers, support the community, support arts and humanities and later huge focus on environmental. Support your country. Not perfect but do good for your neighbors and community. Covid did me on that as a Yankee at heart.

    I have no idea what the f- is going to happen here next. I was raised to pay attention and watched both/all parties (money and courts) piss it away. I don’t see it ending well but that may just be me because it was always – give the benefit of doubt. Racism is my bitch box – I will stand on – for us – roots are resources and powers. Which goes right back to CJ Roberts and his immunity nail. We all ‘misunderstood’ his (2023 year end) how the courts’ ethics work. Intellectual abuse. The history of the courts and my own watching – have finally disabused me of that concept once and for all. I was once empathic and did walk in their shoes (hard choices) but only found myself the fool. You do not co-opt my mind with your fancy words: intellectual abuse. Maggie works harder for her adjectives. This court leader is lazy and want’s his thingy he thinks he can control.

    The history of the world itself; time enough and want to thank current CJ and his horse traders of now and the past. Gotta love it. If he thinks he playing chess – even funnier. (Major snark)

    Thank you Ed, for taking this (crap) on.

  13. Bob Roundhead says:

    I would hazard a guess that Yarvin was visited with violence for the entirety of his childhood. Not by his parents, but by his piers. To my ear, he sounds like the incel kid who drove his car into a bunch of his classmates in Santa Barbra a bunch of years ago. But Yarvin is wealthy, so he got married and people listen to him instead of mocking him. Now he is driving his harmful ideology into our country.

    • ShallMustMay08 says:

      I am sorry – this is OUR problem. Do not guess anymore what these folks may have endured. Challenge the crap that leads up to it. Harvard Prof host – but off campus … ding ding ding just dropping names (influence appeal to authority). As Bernick said – the Prof – don’t do it unless they (emphasis) have something intelligent to offer 1st.

  14. Greg Hunter says:

    “Violence is the result of conflict and uncertainty.” I would add poisoning of society with Lead and Mercury acerbated the violent tendencies of homo sapiens. Yarvin, Kaczynski and frankly most people refuse to see the impact of these polluting neurotoxins have had on behavior of the human species when it comes to solving our current problems.

    The oligarchs of the last century used their money to cripple our Republic and divert attention from these polluting activities and instead continued to blame race and class. Yarvin thinks that our government slows down technological advancement which is preposterous but it does make the oligarchs figure out ways around those barriers to advancement.

    Example: In 1963 it was “illegal” to pollute the State of Ohio’s air with sulfur dioxide so coal fired power companies had to build higher exhaust stacks, especially in western Ohio. While SO2 is a big deal, mercury and lead are far bigger and have been given short shrift by society and especially those tasked with finding the roots of crime and violence.

    I am convinced that society would rather believe there is a racial component to violence instead of pollution as no one thinks that American corporations could get away with ignoring this obvious contributing factor in the erratic thinking of the Neurotoxin generation otherwise known as Baby Boomers.

    • earlofhuntingdon says:

      A reasonable comment, barring your last paragraph, which makes no sense. Perhaps your writing’s been affected by the aforementioned neurotoxins.

      • Greg Hunter says:

        “A reasonable comment, barring your last paragraph, which makes no sense. Perhaps your writing’s been affected by the aforementioned neurotoxins.” A lot to unpack in those two sentences.

        Based on my perspective and discussions with a large number of people from all walks of life, I have found most are unwilling to believe the entire world was poisoned and that their behavior could have been impacted by that poison. Many of these “deniers” happen to also believe in climate change. To me this denial is similar to what MLK jr. complained about from his jail cell in Birmingham.

        As to whether my skill at writing was impacted by Lead but not my analytical ability to see obvious patterns seems at odds with the impact of neurotoxin exposure? I have thought a great deal about my childhood and whether some of my choices had a “preventive” measure to ward off the exposure and I can make an anecdotal case for far less exposure than some of my peers. One of those was not playing baseball year in and year out on fields that absorbed the pollution from upwind sources. I spent a great deal of my childhood in the creek that had a tree canopy or in the woods. I also never worked on cars or was a gear head in any shape or form. In JR. High and HS I never messed with the steroids either so it is hard to tell where the “erratic” behavior originated in some of my peers, but less so in myself, at least in comparison to the norms of the 60s and 70s.

        I am stating quiet clearly that I think even upper middle class white liberals have a racial bias they care not admit or explore and to me that bias gets exposed when I posit that Lead was the cause of much violence and not some other factor. Heck FBI agent Frank FIgliuzzi turned author thinks long haul truckers became serial killers because of opportunity and not due to enormous exposure to Lead. Funny thing is that serial killers went on the rise with Lead production and declined when Lead was taken out of gasoline.

        • ExRacerX says:

          Third Cause Fallacy.

          Example: “Blacktop starts to melt in extremely hot weather. The incidence of heart attacks rises in extremely hot weather. That increase in heart attacks is clearly caused by the fumes from the melting asphalt.”

        • Rayne says:

          Based on my perspective and discussions with a large number of people from all walks of life, I have found most are unwilling to believe the entire world was poisoned and that their behavior could have been impacted by that poison.

          We deal in facts, not beliefs. Bring supporting documentation in the form of citations or links.

        • earlofhuntingdon says:

          Let me be clearer. There really wasn’t much to unpack. My comment wasn’t about your backstory or your writing in general. I found the last paragraph of your first comment to be gibberish, barring the gratuitous ad hominem attack on Baby Boomers.

          Many here would agree that America is a society founded on racism and that it continues to permeate society. They would agree – at the same time – about the damaging effects of “background” environmental pollution, such as the once ubiquitous lead in household paints and gasoline, and, therefore, air pollution. Arguing that the latter is a major cause vs. a contributing factor among many is not one I agree with. But then, I’m not an upper middle class white liberal.

    • Rayne says:

      Bring supporting documentation to support your claim regarding lead and mercury. It’s out there, don’t be lazy about this; you could be educating others unfamiliar with this subject but presenting it without support combined with sketchy composition makes this look more like conspiracy theory.

  15. Bob Roundhead says:

    There is a tremendous amount of studies out there in the US and throughout Europe that document the very strong correlation. Some studies have even mapped lead in the shadow of factories and coal fired plants and overlaid crime statistics. Not only were folks poor who live in the shadow, but they were poisoned as well. Drops in crime rates correlate with lead regulation, with crime rates dropping as the next generation grows up without being poisoned. My experience has been that most folks don’t know this has happened. Or they don’t want to know it happened. Legalized poisoning of the population is not something we want to talk about I guess. It’s like plastics. No one wants to do anything that might be inconvenient, even though it is an obvious issue.

    • earlofhuntingdon says:

      As Rayne might point out, the preference here is for commenters to carry their own water. But since you fired first…. The first source you cite, whose url refers to 2016, is a republication of Kevin Drum’s Jan/Feb 2013 article, arguing for the lead-crime hypothesis (LCH). Your second is to the second-in-time meta-study, from August 1, 2023, by Talayero, et al., published by PLOS Global Public Health. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10393136/

      The first-in-time meta-study is by Higney, Hanley, Mirko, “The lead-crime hypothesis: A meta-analysis,” Regional Science and Urban Economics 97 (2022), available open-access online 21 August 2022. (The url for it is a paragraph long, with an indeterminate amount of tracking data, so I give only a traditional citation. An internet search should easily find it.)

      Kevin Drum’s articles in Mother Jones are the most readily available, pro-LCH work. His first major article is from 2013. He has updated it periodically. He critiques the Higney study’s caution in supporting the LCH, but admits the limits of his technical expertise in evaluating it. A selection of his articles:

      https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2013/01/lead-crime-connection/
      https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2016/02/lead-exposure-gasoline-crime-increase-children-health/
      https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/02/an-updated-lead-crime-roundup-for-2018/
      https://jabberwocking.com/has-the-lead-crime-hypothesis-been-debunked/

      Brookings has a useful summary, from 2017: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/new-evidence-that-lead-exposure-increases-crime/

      In summary, the pathways through which lead causes physiological and behavioral effects remain under study. It appears to prevent the formation or causes early cell death of brain tissue responsible for executive function and behavioral inhibition, and interferes with transmission of signals among those neural cells, a double whammy. There is a strong correlation for the LCH. The Higney study disagrees with Talayero about the percentage of crimes that can be explained by lead exposure vs. other factors or a combination of them. But Higney’s conclusion should be in all caps:

      [T]he evidence of harmful biological and health changes due to lead is overwhelming. There is no known safe level of lead. Even if outcomes higher up the causal chain, such as crime, are not as affected by lead, the evidence still shows lead abatement will increase health outcomes, especially for the very young.

      • Bob Roundhead says:

        I am not firing at anyone. I was just carrying water for Greg Hunter. It’s the first I have heard someone other than my dirty hippie friends bring it up. Just like I am glad folks here are talking about Yarvin. He has been on my radar for at least ten years. All these techno feudalists assholes started showing up at burning man a dozen years ago. They were full of shit then. They are full of shit now. Now they have stupid money and power. There are a myriad of other examples of exposure to chemicals or lack of exposure to sunlight exacerbating antisocial and sometimes violent behavior. No one is saying that lead causes violent behavior. What is being observed though is remarkable increases and decreases in violence in society’s throughout the world that coincide with lead exposure. Correlation is not causation, but I think this is hard to ignore. I really like what you have to offer here EofH. I often find myself reading till the wee hours trying to understand something you have pointed out. My tone is always aggressive. I don’t know why. I apologize if I offended.

        • earlofhuntingdon says:

          My reference to “firing first” was a cliched analogy, not a literal statement. The debate over the LCH is precisely about whether lead pollution causes crime, in isolation or as one of several factors. I don’t think your comment offended anyone, barring the repeated preference here to have people carry their own water.

          I agree that industrial pollutants are legion. Even in its earliest days, DuPont was famous for it when it manufactured munitions and explosives. It originated the concept of what it called “industrial hygiene,” a euphemism for the medical specialty of work-related illnesses. Except that it didn’t use its data to reduce harm, it used it to protect its bottom line. An untold number of its workers paid a high price for it.

        • Bob Roundhead says:

          Thank you for your kindness. I think perhaps here is the confusion. No one is saying that lead poisoning is the cause of crime. But leads effect upon young men between 14 and 30 is pretty well established at this point. Antisocial and violent behavior are but two of them. This age group is also where most violent crime occurs. These are FBI statistics. It is like pointing out that lots of domestic violence occurs when men are drunk or high on speed. The alcohol and speed isn’t causing DV, it just makes it more likely. This observed phenomenon has happened in all industrialized countries and across all socioeconomic classes. It is one of the best arguments I know for the importance of good governance. It is antithetical to Yarvins adolescent nonsense

        • earlofhuntingdon says:

          The issue *is* whether lead pollution causes crime, especially homicide. More precisely, to frame it in terms that could be studied: was the measurable drop in crime over the 1976-2009 period caused by lower blood lead levels?

          The more conservative Higney meta-study (p. 15) states that 7-28% of the 54% drop in crime could be explained by lower blood lead levels. That left 93-72% of the total drop to be explained by other factors or a combination of them. So, less lead pollution, less crime, and a healthier population. But on its own, it explains only a minority of the crimes that didn’t happen.

          https://www.hoplofobia.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/2022-The-Lead-Crime-Hypothesis-A-Meta-Analysis.pdf

        • Greg Hunter says:

          Thanks for the support and I can cite numerous sources that I have reviewed over the years that “prove beyond a reasonable doubt” concerning Lead and its impact on behavior. While there are other factors concerning violence there is no doubt; however, the impact of Lead on behavior has not been elevated in the public conscience as much as it should be, in my opinion.

          I have read all the links I will provide and the first is a great place to start. It is amazing how Lead is deposited in the body and how it slowly comes out.

          EPA 2024 ISA on Lead – I read the report and all the Appendices. EPA finally says crime by juveniles is LIKELY caused by Lead.

          https://assessments.epa.gov/isa/document/&deid=359536

          Europe did some great work on Lead and its impacts as Chapter 3 illustrates

          https://www.eea.europa.eu/en/analysis/publications/late-lessons-2/late-lessons-chapters

          Post WWII there was a 220% increase in juvenile court cases but nobody could figure out why…until now.

          “The 1959 report declared that juvenile court cases had increased 220% from 1941 to 1957. And this was not due to burgeoning baby boomers: “By directly comparing percentages of the rise in delinquency and the growth in the young population, we find that juvenile arrests’ have increased two and one-half times as fast.”

          Barnosky, Jason. “The Violent Years: Responses to Juvenile Crime in the 1950s.” Polity, vol. 6 38, no. 3, 2006, pp. 314–44. JSTOR, http://www.jstor.org/stable/3877070. Accessed 11 Feb. 2023.

          I have watched every video and read every letter that Thomas Midgley wrote archived at the American Heritage Center. The videos and the story of moving Ethyl to Richmond VA are fascinating and Freudian. Leaded gas got far less scrutiny than smoking.

          https://archiveswest.orbiscascade.org/ark:80444/xv938949?q=ethyl%20corporation

          I am currently hoping that some serial killer blames Lead exposure in their defense. I have other links and have written about the subject, but I am unable to provide those at this site.

    • RitaRita says:

      i wouldn’t dispute that there is a correlation/causal relation between lead poisoning and violent, anti-social behavior.

      And the fact that biochemical reactions beyond the control of a violent person may result in violent behavior shoots one of many holes in Yarvin’s theory of formalism.

    • Greg Hunter says:

      EOH stated this “The issue *is* whether lead pollution causes crime, especially homicide.”

      I would say there is compelling evidence that lead is a large contributor and there may be a genetic component which is getting some study. I am currently reading recent papers that have identified a gene that contributes to dealing with Lead in the body that may result in some analysis whether there is a genetic component involved in response to lead poisoning.

      I recently went through this data again when the State of Wyoming decided to repeal “gun free zones” using Dr. John Lott’s theory that more guns resulted in less crime and that violent crime fell post 1990 due to allowing more guns in society. Dr. Lott used data from rural society that had less violent crime and more guns to make his case. I would posit that rural society has less Lead exposure and the 1925 study done by the British prior to allowing Leaded gasoline to be sold in England seems to prove this point. In that study it was determined that inner city dwellers already had twice the amount of Lead in their urine as those from rural areas.

      That data is pretty clear that the high water mark for serial killers and Lead pollution was in the 1970s and both of those numbers have come down almost in lock step. Here is a story about a serial killer cold case going to trial in Wyoming.

      https://cowboystatedaily.com/2025/05/05/accused-serial-killer-trucker-convicted-in-tennessee-now-headed-to-wyoming-for-trial/

      If you read about Clark Perry Baldwin I would like an explanation for why his behavior seemingly changed from a violent rapist/murder to one of domestic tranquility? I say it is Lead that was the primary factor.

      https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2020/05/08/iowa-serial-killer-clark-perry-baldwin-gentle-giant-former-roommate-says/3093973001/

      I am also working on the theory that violence dropped when society went from individual coal burning stoves to centralized heating and steam units. Victorian era crime seemingly receded as Mercury was removed from inner cities.

  16. Stacy (Male) says:

    There is no need for a detailed refutation of the theories of a man-child who blithely states–purportedly as a self-evident universal principle–that presidents have no power because (he fatuously maintains) that it would have made no conceivable difference to world affairs if Kerry had beaten Bush in 2004. By this proposition, he conveniently by-passes the previous election which (thanks to the appointment of Bush) gifted us with a pointless and excruciatingly costly war and a ruinous taxcut which converted Clinton’s surplus into a permanent state of deep deficits. Gore would have done neither of these ridiculous things. (He also would have attempted to sustain momentum toward solving the climate crisis and many other beneficial policies ) We can’t know what Kerry would have achieved if he won in ’04, but we do know what Bush did after sneaking into office four years earlier. His use of a Bush election as “proof” that the identity of the American president is somehow irrelevant is, by itself, all one needs to know about this callow young fool and the techbros who think he’s cool.

  17. RMD De Plume says:

    “A man once said, ‘I am immortal’….he’s been dead a long time now.” –Zen master Kodo Sawaki (1880-1965)

  18. bawiggans says:

    Many strategies for suppressing or minimizing violence in society have been tried. Most end up awarding the state a monopoly on its legitimate application. How that monopoly is then regulated is a practical problem addressed through the process of governance we choose or have imposed upon us. Yarvin wants to organize violence, this survival behavior shared with much of the animal kingdom, out of existence by establishing a set of rules that will be what, self-enforcing? This is simplistic fantasy, but in an age of overwhelming and bewildering complexity its appeal to exhausted minds and motivated schemers should not be underestimated.

    Trump’s empty promise to make America great again is nothing more than the grifter’s trick of getting the marks to believe that what is being offered is exactly what they desire. Fill in the blank. With Trump now in office, the sponsors of Project 2025 and of Yarvin’s nonsense are elbowing one another in the rush to fill the vacuum.

  19. depressed chris says:

    Please, stop showing this guys face. He looks like a cross between a 1970’s Laurel Canyon, kicked to the curb, wannabe and a roadie for Blue Oyster Cult. His face reads bullied through high school but max’d out the SAT plus two recommendation letters from legacy teachers. He reeks of resentment and payback. He also looks a bit like Arliss Howard.

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