Troy Edgar Implies We Should Deport Elon Musk

Most people pointing to this insane interview NPR did with DHS Deputy Secretary Troy Edgar focus on the import it has for Mahmoud Khalil’s case. When pressed repeatedly, Edgar can offer no proof to back his increasingly escalating claims that Khalil didn’t disclose something when he entered the US on a student visa; he just offers the classic troll answer that everything is clear.

Edgar: I think if he would have declared he’s a terrorist, we would have never let him in.

Martin: And what did he engage in that constitutes terrorist activity?

Edgar: I mean, Michel, have you watched it on TV? It’s pretty clear.

Michel: No, it isn’t. Well, explain it to those of us who have not or perhaps others have not. What exactly did you do?

Edgar: Well, I think it’s clear or we wouldn’t be talking about it. I mean, the reality is that if you watch and see what he’s done on the university …

Martin: Do you not know? Are you telling us that you’re not aware?

Edgar: I find it interesting that you’re not aware.

But the interview is far more interesting for the logic Edgar offers for Khalil’s detention as a Green Card holder entitled to more due process, which would suggest even Elon Musk — especially Elon Musk — must be deported under Trump’s Executive Orders, right along with Khalil.

Repeatedly Edgar suggests that the reason they can deport Khalil is because he initially came into the US on a student visa, even though he now has a Green Card. He asserts over and over that because Khalil originally entered on a student visa, it means the Secretary of the State can indefinitely review his status and deport him.

Edgar: Well, like I said, when you apply for a visa, you go through the process to be able to say that you’re here on a student visa, that doesn’t afford you all the rights of coming in and basically going through this process, agitating and supporting Hamas. So, at this point, yeah, the Secretary of State and the State Department maintains the right to revoke the visa, and that’s what they’ve done.

Martin: How did he support Hamas? Exactly what did he do?

Edgar: Well, I think you can see it on TV, right? This is somebody that we’ve invited and allowed the student to come into the country, and he’s put himself in the middle of the process of basically pro-Palestinian activity. And at this point, like I said, the Secretary of State can review his visa process at any point and revoke it.

Martin: He’s a permanent resident. He’s not a visa holder. He’s a legal permanent resident. He has the green card, at least he did, until it’s alleged that it was revoked.

If the allegation is that Mr. Khalil organized protests and made speeches after which other people engaged in prohibited activity, or, say, violent activity. Well, Mr. Trump gave a political speech on January 6, 2021, after which some individuals engaged in violent and illegal acts. How is this any different?

Edgar: President Trump’s a citizen and the president of the United States. This is a person that came in under a visa. And again, the secretary of state at any point can take a look and evaluate that visa and decide if they want to revoke it.

Martin: He’s a legal permanent resident. I have to keep insisting on that. He is a legal permanent resident.

So what is the standard? Is any criticism of the Israeli government a deportable offense?

Edgar: Like I said, I think that at this point when he entered into the country on a student visa, at any point we can go through and evaluate what his status is.

Martin: Is any criticism of the United States government a deportable offense?

Edgar: Like I said, if you go through the process and you’re a student and you’re here on a visa and you go through it, at any point …

Martin: Is any criticism of the government a deportable offense?

Edgar: Let me put it this way, Michel, imagine if he came in and filled out the form and said, ‘I want a student visa.’ They asked him, ‘What are you going to do here?’ And he says, ‘I’m going to go and protest.’ We would have never let him into the country. [my emphasis]

Edgar is wrong. This is not actually the basis on which the government claims to be relying to deport Khalil. A document published by WaPo confirms that the government is relying on the Section 237(a)(4)(C)(i) of the Immigration and Nationality Act as their basis to deport Khalil.

The Secretary of State has determined that your presence or activities in the United States would have serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States.

On the basis of the foregoing, it is charged that you are subject to removal from the United States pursuant to the following provision(s) of law:

Section 237(a)(4)(C)(i) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, as amended, in that the Secretary of State has reasonable ground to believe that your presence or activities in the United States would have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States.

That document relies on the fact that Khalil is not a citizen, as does the law itself.

This document — dated March 9 — was filed the day after Khalil was detained. Like so much else, it could be an attempt to retcon a decision made off inaccurate information — though this Atlantic piece reveals that there was a second, still-unidentified Green Card holder on the same list targeting Khalil.

It turns out Secretary of State Marco Rubio identified a second individual to be deported, and included that person alongside Khalil in a March 7 letter to the Department of Homeland Security. Both were identified in the letter as legal permanent residents, The Atlantic has learned.

Rubio’s letter notified DHS that he had revoked both targets’ visas, setting in motion plans for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement to arrest and attempt to deport them, according to a senior DHS official and another U.S. official who spoke on condition of anonymity to describe how the operation against Khalil took shape.

In addition to the two names in Rubio’s initial letter, the State Department has also sent the names of “one or two” more students whose visas it has revoked, according to the DHS official, who described the first group of names as an opening move, with “more to come.”

The Atlantic also notes a key error in the form, as well as the claim that DHS claims not to know when Khalil first entered the country.

Perhaps there’s some way to reconcile Edgar’s views with all this (or perhaps Edgar, who was sworn in last week, simply missed some of this). But the claimed basis for Khalil’s deportation doesn’t rely on the fact that he first came in on a student visa. It’s that he remains a non-citizen. Though I think Rubio needs to apply two clauses: first, his finding that Khalil presents a foreign policy problem for the US.

(C) Foreign policy
(i) In general
An alien whose presence or activities in the United States the Secretary of State has reasonable ground to believe would have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States is deportable.

And also a finding that the fact that he hadn’t broken any laws before he entered the country would still not matter; he’s still a problem for foreign policy.

(ii) Exceptions
The exceptions described in clauses (ii) and (iii) of section 1182(a)(3)(C) of this title shall apply to deportability under clause (i) in the same manner as they apply to inadmissibility under section 1182(a)(3)(C)(i) of this title.

(iii) Exception for other aliens
An alien, not described in clause (ii), shall not be excludable or subject to restrictions or conditions on entry into the United States under clause (i) because of the alien’s past, current, or expected beliefs, statements, or associations, if such beliefs, statements, or associations would be lawful within the United States, unless the Secretary of State personally determines that the alien’s admission would compromise a compelling United States foreign policy interest.

So I think Edgar is wrong on the law and wrong on what DOJ and State are at least claiming went down.

But to understand how problematic this premise is, take Edgar’s claim — that anyone who ever came in on a student visa could always have his status reviewed — and apply them to Elon Musk.

The underlying framework under which Khalil is facing deportation is a claim that Trump is combatting antisemitism. It’s all based on an Executive Order holding that it is the policy of the United States to combat antisemitism … using all available and appropriate legal tools.

Sec. 2. Policy. It shall be the policy of the United States to combat anti-Semitism vigorously, using all available and appropriate legal tools, to prosecute, remove, or otherwise hold to account the perpetrators of unlawful anti-Semitic harassment and violence.

The EO is focused exclusively on universities and defines antisemitism in the context of the October 7 attack.

Sec. 3. Additional Measures to Combat Campus Anti-Semitism. (a) Within 60 days of the date of this order, the head of each executive department or agency (agency) shall submit a report to the President, through the Assistant to the President for Domestic Policy, identifying all civil and criminal authorities or actions within the jurisdiction of that agency, beyond those already implemented under Executive Order 13899, that might be used to curb or combat anti-Semitism, and containing an inventory and analysis of all pending administrative complaints, as of the date of the report, against or involving institutions of higher education alleging civil-rights violations related to or arising from post-October 7, 2023, campus anti-Semitism.

Trump wants every agency to find ways to deport students, and only students, implicitly those who support Palestine. (This is, I suspect, in significant part a Stephen Miller wet dream to use the tools of the Civil Rights movement against tolerance.)

He has done nothing to pursue his policy of combatting antisemitism, such as in DOGE, right there in the White House.

But the Civil Rights Act on which Trump is relying applies to all federal funding. It applies to government advisors. It applies to government contractors. It applies to government advertising or public statements, such as the ones that are being released only on Xitter.

It might even apply to some inauguration festivities.

And key government advisor Elon Musk is not only fostering antisemitism on his social media platform, he’s using his public government platform to adopt antisemitic symbols.

The clause State is using in an attempt to deport Khalil appears right between one targeting actual terrorists (remember that right wing hate groups have been deemed terrorists around the world) and those involved in Nazi genocide.

And yet Trump has no complaint about the former student visa holder Elon Musk using his platforms and government funding to defend the actual Neo-Nazis.

To be clear: Edgar is wrong. It’s not that Khalil entered on a student visa, it’s that he’s not a citizen. Elon was allowed to become a citizen, so is safe from this particular targeted persecution.

But his use of government funding to platform antisemitism should not be.

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  1. Amateur Lawyer At Work says:

    Good logic and using it against Elon Musk would be interesting to see in theory.
    But there’s a few problems with the statute, starting with the unlimited discretion by the Secretary of State to find, even retroactively, that a person shouldn’t have been granted a visa. I wonder how courts will grapple with that one, or they’ll not bother. There’s a lot of mischief to be made by retroactively declaring someone did not come here legally, especially when combined with Trump’s EO overturning the 14th Amendment’s Natural-Born Citizenship Clause.

    • Rugger_9 says:

      Well, it has been used years ago against former Nazi concentration camp guards to revoke naturalization, so there is precedent. What’s different here is the blatant attempt to criminalize free speech as a casus belli for deportation, and to do so in secret. As noted in the prior post, a shutdown would also potentially hamstring access to court redress (although Schumer should vote no anyhow, even Rand Paul hates the CR).

      It’s not a trivial thing given how much legal redress relies on definitions of terms which can be colored easily by one’s political needs. As long as Convict-1 / Krasnov continues to hold office with his minions he will continue to interpret plain text into justifications.

      As for Elno, he’s definitely an illegal alien, and any objective review of his statements, his treatment of his staff, etc. would led to the same conclusion as is being used for Khalil (IMHO). However, he’s still useful for the maniacs and is therefore untouchable.

      • Gacyclist says:

        How long before they go after naturalized citizens exhibiting anti-Semitic behavior? Apparently under trump regime protesting against Israel is anti-Semitic

  2. xyxyxyxy says:

    “Germany is boycotting Israel’s antisemitism conference because Israel invited neo-Nazis [French far right figures Jordan Bardella & Marion Maréchal will take part in Israel’s International Conference on the Fight against Antisemitism]. https://x.com/NTarnopolsky/status/1900614588497895909
    And “Updates on Donald “best friend of the Jewish people”…”
    https://x.com/NTarnopolsky/status/1899893563195830663
    https://x.com/NTarnopolsky/status/1899893563195830663/photo/1
    https://x.com/NTarnopolsky/status/1899893563195830663/photo/2
    https://x.com/NTarnopolsky/status/1899893563195830663/photo/3

  3. P J Evans says:

    With President Musk, he came in on a student visa, then started working while still on that visa, and didn’t report the status change. And probably didn’t put in on his application for legal status, either.
    (Most undocumented immigrants come in as students or as tourists, and don’t leave. This has been true for decades.)

    • xyxyxyxy says:

      Then probably received undeclared wages and didn’t file tax returns.
      I believe fraud against the IRS has no statute of limitations.

  4. BRUCE F COLE says:

    For those who are inclined, here is the CUNY legal aid org that is supporting Khalil’s defense (CUNY prof and Biden admin alum Ramzi Kassem being one of his lawyers), where donations can be applied.
    https://www.cunyclear.org/

    Khalil also reportedly has a personal Chuffed fundraising page, but I haven’t seen any outward sign, other than reports, that he or his family is directly involved in that, so I won’t link to it. They’ve raised close to $500k already, so I hope they’re legit.

  5. Ginevra diBenci says:

    Trump couldn’t care less about the actual suffering Jews have endured. For him, “antisemitism” is just one more cudgel to wield against “leftists” and “liberals” who get into better colleges than he could. He will exploit to the fullest the tropes and traps of the most poisonous forms of anti-Jewish stereotypes, as when he accused Ukrainian President Zelenskyy of, essentially, money-grubbing–and being untrustworthy to boot.

    Timothy Snyder explicates all of this, the tropes, their history, and the terrible cost they extract, in a recent Substack. I was so triggered by watching the Zelenskyy ambush that I could only conceptualize it in terms of my own history, of the sexual predators and sociopaths I’ve both known and studied. I felt some embarrassment at not recognizing, as Snyder did, how much this dynamic feeds on Zelenskyy being Jewish. But of course it does. Predators and bullies will take any aspect of their victims’ identities to degrade and dehumanize them…one more reason why DEI threatens them so much.

    • Matt___B says:

      In today’s Snyder substack, he expounds further. Mostly about the up-is-down use of language, fascists calling their enemies fascist, Trump calling Schumer “Palestinian” and anti-Zionist Jews as anti-semitic. It’s an attempt to wring meaning out of language and shared concepts.

      • earlofhuntingdon says:

        I would say it’s an attempt to force meaning onto language that won’t bear the weight. For one thing, it frequently means the opposite of how Trump uses it.

        Speaking of unfortunate uses of language, “substack” is not shorthand or a metaphor for a blog post. It’s a medium, whose ownership is not uniformly progressive or free-speech oriented.

        • Rayne says:

          The better term is platform, not medium. Substack is a brand name, should be capitalized, and it’s funded by some of the same investors behind Xitter’s funding (ex. a16z).

          Snyder published a post in his Substack site. His continued use of Substack is problematic in the same way continuing to use Xitter as one’s primary microblog is problematic.

        • Ginevra diBenci says:

          Re: Substack. I just researched the controversy about the site, because I am looking for a platform to post my own work. I do grasp the linguistic nuances that earl and Rayne bring up; the moral equivocations by Substack’s owners pose a problem, but (as far as I am aware) not one as grave as Elon Musk’s wholesale, selfish destruction of the US government while supporting Nazis.

          As long as Timothy Snyder publishes there, I will continue to read (and pay) him. My need for his work overrides my qualms about the platform.

        • Rayne says:

          You do what you need to do re Snyder; he may be under a particular contract for his writing that assures him a certain income and that may be why he continues there. He may also not have the personal chops to handle a migration, or have trusted contacts willing to help him. But his presence there lends legitimacy to a platform that continues to have a Nazi problem. See: https://kottke.org/24/09/substack-still-sucks

          It’s unfortunate because for most other writers, Ghost offers the best solution according to Molly White’s research and eventual migration. White also was kind enough to document the migration process for others on Substack: https://www.citationneeded.news/substack-to-self-hosted-ghost/

    • LaMissy! says:

      From Timothy Snyder’s blog post of March 14, where he dissects the practice of “antisemites call[ing] other people ‘antisemites.’ ”

      https://snyder.substack.com/p/antisemitism-and-antisemitism

      But why was Columbia put first? It is in New York. More than twenty percent of its undergraduate students are Jewish. No matter the experiences or attitudes of these students, their university suddenly losing four hundred million dollars is unlikely to improve their education and life chances. Columbia students can speak for themselves. My guess is that Columbia was selected as the symbolic first target less because of the presence of antisemitism than because of the presence of Jews.

      And I think that this is something that actual American antisemites will immediately have grasped. The city of New York is coded for antisemites as Jewish. The antisemites in America, seeing Columbia and New York punished, will see Jews being punished — and they will be pleased by this. The same goes for universities as a whole. Universities are often understood by antisemites to be Jewish. The attempt to bring universities to heel will be met by antisemites with approval.

  6. MARY PAGELS says:

    Elon Musk does fit the ruling: An alien whose presence or activities in the United States the Secretary of State has reasonable ground to believe would have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States is deportable.
    Musk poses serious threat to us and foreign powers. He has proven that… I say deport him for his actions with NSAID. Cutting funding that prevents catastrophic disease poses a serious adverse foreign policy consequence.

  7. Aj_21JUN2019_1613h says:

    How is he perpetrating anti-Semitic harassment and violence?
    He was detained before they redid their paperwork. Ice picked him up. But he is not charged with immigration crime. So shouldn’t he have been detained by some one else?
    “Serious foreign policy consequences ” what are they?
    What is the compelling foreign policy interest that the Sec of State must act on?
    Mr Khalil is a semite. He speaks a semitic language. Does he not deserve protection from antisemitism? How is antisemitism defined in detail by us law? How is criticism of a foreign government action defined as antisemitism when that applies to persons?
    The Secretary of State Mr Rubio was born in Miami of 2 non citizen parents, citizens of Cuba. According to this administration he may not be eligible for citizenship

    Betar is the group that planted a pager in Norman Finkelstein ‘s Pocket. They are the worst…

    [Moderator’s note: see your comment at 9:31 pm ET. /~Rayne]

  8. harpie says:

    Marcy: Like so much else, it could be an attempt to retcon a decision made off inaccurate information — though this Atlantic piece reveals that there was a second, still-unidentified Green Card holder on the same list targeting Khalil.

    Could be this one [?]
    https://bsky.app/profile/emptywheel.bsky.social/post/3lkfx6iptf225
    March 15, 2025 at 6:47 AM

    Given that this is the third German treated horribly by ICE, I think Germany should turn Elon’s support for Neo-Nazis into a diplomatic issue. [link]

    Links to:
    Green card holder from New Hampshire ‘interrogated’ at Logan Airport, detained
    New England News Collaborative // By Sarah Betancourt, GBH
    Published March 14, 2025 at 4:14 PM EDT

    Wow…the way he was treated!

    • harpie says:

      He returned from Luxembourg “on Friday” and his family finally heard from him “on Tuesday”. [He was in a hospital!]

      So I think “Friday” is 3/7/25 and “Tuesday” is 3/11/25.

      […] [His mother] Senior described Schmidt being “violently interrogated” at Logan Airport for hours, and being stripped naked, put in a cold shower by two officials, and being put back onto a chair.

      Senior said Schmidt told her immigration agents pressured him to give up his green card. She said he was placed on a mat in a bright room with other people at the airport, with little food or water, suffered sleep deprivation, and was denied access to his medication for anxiety and depression. […]

      This is the escalation we were all screaming would happen in the GWOT.

  9. RealAlexi says:

    You don’t need to be convicted of a crime to lose your immigration status.

    8 U.S.C. § 1227(a)(4)(B), Khalil’s permanent residency can also be denied or revoked if he “endorses or espouses terrorist activity or persuades others to endorse or espouse terrorist activity or support a terrorist organization.” (He did. He does.)

    To the best of my knowledge Khalil was distributing terrorist material of both Hamas and of Hezzbollah.
    Both of these organizations are designated terrorist organizations by the USGOV.

    For what it’s worth:
    On this very day, 41 years ago, March 16, 1984, Hezbollah – Iran’s proxy – kidnapped William Buckley, the CIA station chief in Beirut.
    They tortured him and murdered him the following year.
    The carefully planned kidnapping, orchestrated by Hezbollah mastermind Imad Mughniyeh.

    I remember that. Do you? Anybody?

    Khalil is nobody’s martyr nor cause celeb. He’s a terror supporting foreigner dwelling in the US and as a non-citizen he’s actually got to follow laws that permit him to be here. It doesn’t look like he’s done his part.

    Also, this is the wrong hill to die on folks.

    And the Trump regime has done a typically Trumpian job of explaining to the people what they’re doing and why. I don’t think Trump’s actually defending the US or Jews per se`, or Natl. Security or fighting Antisemitism or supporting Israel. I think he’s just virtue signaling to his base; and the broken clock perchance hit 12 O’clock at noon. And I also want Khalil to get his full due process.

    That said, if he’s indeed deported, he will only be missed by his fellow Jihadists and their useful idiot followers. We’ve enough loons without people determined to “globalize the intifada”.

    • Rayne says:

      To the best of my knowledge Khalil was distributing terrorist material of both Hamas and of Hezzbollah.

      Bring receipts. Now. If you’re going to make a statement like this you had better have substantive supporting material and not just “to the best of [your] knowledge.

        • Rayne says:

          No prob, harpie. Being one of the long-time community members you know this is not a new expectation as it’s been pointed out a number of times:

          Things frowned upon here include but not limited to: deliberate sockpuppetry, ad hominem attacks on contributors and/or commenters, (far-fetched) claims without substantiation, behavior denying other commenters’ use of comment thread, behavior undermining site integrity and/or or users’ security.

          Not to mention the post is itself about the insufficiency of justification for seizure pre- and post-retcon.

    • P J Evans says:

      “his fellow Jihadists”? Got evidence for that claim? Because you’re sure claiming a lot of knowlege about someone most of us hadn’t even heard of before ICE kidnapped him.

    • Ginevra diBenci says:

      Mahmoud Khalil had not been born 41 years ago. RealAlexi, the structure of your comment is designed to tar Khalil with the rhetorical brush of Buckley’s murder, which occurred in an entirely different context. You label the current administration “Trumpian,” but you appear blind to the mote in your own eye.

      Your only evidence for Khalil’s terrorist perfidy is that purveyed by the Trump administration: Khalil “was seen distributing Hamas flyers.” Well…maybe. Nothing about this has been proven. Not by them and not by you.

  10. harpie says:

    I want to add this before this Post closes.

    Re: KHALIL, the Government has different Background Facts.
    I am wondering WHY.

    PETITION FOR WRIT OF HABEAS CORPUS
    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.638260/gov.uscourts.nysd.638260.2.0.pdf
    Case 1:25-cv-01935-JMF // Document 2 // Filed 03/09/25

    [pdf2/11] FACTS // Background // 9. M.K. is Palestinian, but he grew up in Syria because his grandparents were forcibly removed from their ancestral home in Tiberius, Palestine. Since the war in Syria, his family was again displaced and are now dispersed throughout Europe and West Asia.

    10. M.K. entered the United States on a student visa in or around December 2022 in order to pursue a Master’s degree in Public Administration from the Columbia University’s School of International and Public Affairs (“SIPA”). M.K. completed his program in December 2024, and has an anticipated graduation date of May 2025.

    11. M.K. married his U.S. citizen wife on November 16, 2023. He became a lawful permanent resident in 2024. M.Z. and his wife are expecting their first child together next month, April 2025. […]

    RESPONDENTS’ MEMORANDUM OF LAW IN SUPPORT OF THEIR MOTION TO DISMISS OR TO TRANSFER THE CASE
    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.638260/gov.uscourts.nysd.638260.31.0_1.pdf
    Case 1:25-cv-01935-JMF // Document 31 // Filed 03/12/25

    [pdf6/15] BACKGROUND
    A. Khalil’s immigration detention // Mahmoud Khalil (“Khalil”), a native of Syria and citizen of Algeria, entered the United States on a student visa in December 2022. See Declaration of Acting Field Office Director William Joyce (“Joyce Decl.”) ¶ 5. He adjusted to lawful permanent resident status in November 2024. […]

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