How a (Thus Far Unsuccessful) Lawsuit Caused Elon Musk’s OPM Email to Faceplant

Chris Geidner did a post over the weekend explaining the importance of being litigious. He described how just forcing the Administration to defend itself, on the record and in public, can lead to wins down the road.

The reality of litigation challenging the Trump administration is that it isn’t all going to win.

That’s OK.

Forcing the administration to defend its actions, on the record and in public, is important.

The mere fact of litigating can change implementation of policy to improve its application to those affected. Even a loss can advance awareness about oppressive steps being taken by the administration. And, multiple strategies might be taken to challenge certain actions, some of which will be more successful than others.

From a litigation perspective, in other words, not suing is sometimes “obeying in advance.” Actions need to be challenged. If a key aspect of what President Donald Trump, Elon Musk, and others are doing right now is seeing what they can get away with — and what they can convince people that they can do — then a key part of pushing back against that needs to be challenging everything that can be challenged.

In short: Force them to work for it.

OPM’s cave-in-process on Elon Musk’s respond-or-resign email is a very good example.

Multiple agencies are now instructing employees that, contrary to what Elon said (and Trump appeared to reiterate in presser), responding is optional.

The reason why they’re doing so is virtually certainly due to this lawsuit, filed by Kel McClanahan (here’s his website, if you want to support his work). Its theory was a bit different than a lot of other lawsuits: he argued that OPM was violating its own standards under the E-Government Act mandating the existence and substance of a Privacy Impact Assessment before collecting new information.

46. OPM is an agency subject to the E-Government Act because it is an “establishment in the executive branch of the Government.” 47. A PIA for a “new collection of information” must be “commensurate with the size of the information system being assessed, the sensitivity of information that is in an identifiable form in that system, and the risk of harm from unauthorized release of that information.” The PIA must specifically address “(I) what information is to be collected; (II) why the information is being collected; (III) the intended use of the agency of the information; (IV) with whom the information will be shared; (V) what notice or opportunities for consent would be provided to individuals regarding what information is collected and how that information is shared; [and] (VI) how the information will be secured.”

48. The Office of Management and Budget (“OMB”) is charged with “oversee[ing] the implementation of the privacy impact assessment processing throughout the Government” and “develop[ing] policies and guidelines or agencies on the conduct of privacy impact assessments.”

49. Accordingly, OMB has clarified the minimum requirements for a PIA and the role of PIAs in an agency’s decision to collect (or to refrain from collecting) personal data.

50. According to OMB, “Agencies shall conduct and draft a PIA with sufficient clarity and specificity to demonstrate that the agency fully considered privacy and incorporated appropriate privacy protections from the earliest stages of the agency activity and throughout the information life cycle.”

After he first filed the lawsuit on January 27, OPM did a (legally insufficient, McClanahan argues) Privacy Impact Assessment.

Although the E-Government Act expressly exempts the email system at issue here, which includes only federal government employees, OPM nevertheless has now prepared a PIA. See Attachment A (executed February 5, 2025). That is the sole relief sought through this litigation, and the sole source of Plaintiffs’ asserted irreparable harm. Because the agency has in fact published a PIA (despite it not being required to do so), this case is moot, and Plaintiffs cannot establish irreparable harm.

That PIA gets around providing advance notice about the email because — it claims — responding to any email is voluntary (Josh Marshall may have been the first to notice this, but I don’t think he realizes this PIA exists solely because of the lawsuit).

4.1, How does the project provide individuals notice prior to the collection of information? If notice is not provided, explain why not.

The names and government email addresses of federal government employees are already housed in OPM systems or provided by employing agencies and, in any event, do not contain substantive information about employees. As a result, there is no reason to provide advance notice for the collection of Employee Contact Data. All individuals are provided advance notice of the Employee Response Data, as it is voluntarily provided by the individuals themselves in response to an email.

4.2, What opportunities are available for individuals to consent to uses, decline to provide information, or opt out of the project?

The Employee Response Data is explicitly voluntary, The individual federal government employees can opt out simply by not responding to the email.

Based on those representations — that OPM has a PIA — as well as questions about standing, Judge Randolph Moss denied a Temporary Restraining Order in the lawsuit.

Mind you, the fact that agencies are only now, ten hours before the purported reply deadline, instructing employees not to respond, as well as the fact that DOJ initially instructed DOJ employees to respond (until it reversed course for confidentiality reasons), may help McClanahan prove standing. Imagine employees who did respond before agencies reversed course? Imagine employees who responded to Trump’s public backing for the email? There’s no reversing their injury, or the good faith belief many federal employees would have had that Trump’s comments could be trusted?

Furthermore, OPM claims that actual government employees have fewer privacy protections than others. The lawsuit already includes five plaintiffs who are not government employees. But the Office of US Courts employees also received this email, a violation of separation of powers.

In the course of one month, then, this lawsuit created a way to undercut Musk’s latest assault on government.

Update: In a new filing, McClanahan reveals he’s seeking sanctions.

On 23 February, Plaintiffs’ undersigned counsel served counsel for Defendant Office of Personnel Management (“OPM”) with a motion for sanctions pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 11 (“Rule 11”). In the spirit of that rule, Plaintiffs will not elaborate on the content of that motion at this time, other than to say that the allegations are new and relate primarily to OPM’s presentation to the Court of the Privacy Impact Assessment (“PIA”) for the GovernmentWide Email System (“GWES”), which, in light of rapidly unfolding events over the weekend, materially misrepresented the allegedly “voluntary” nature of responses to emails sent using that system,1 coupled with the newly discovered evidence that, as Plaintiffs’ undersigned counsel warned the Court in the 14 February hearing, OPM did not purge the GWES of information about non-Executive Branch employees, but only installed “filters” to keep the emails about the deferred resignation program from being sent to them.

Simply put, OPM sent an email using [email protected] demanding that all employees reply to the email with a list of things they did last week by 11:59 PM on 24 February, and today President Trump stated that if someone does not reply “[they’re] sort of semi-fired or [they’re] fired.” Elon Musk (@elonmusk), X.com (Feb. 24, 2025 1:25 PM), at https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1894091228054261781 (last accessed Feb. 24, 2025).

Update: At about 5:00 (so too late for anything but CYA), HHS sent out guidance on how to respond to the OPM email. It ends with this warning.

Assume that what you write will be read by malign foreign actors and tailor your response accordingly.

Update: OPM told everyone, just hours before end of work today, that responding is voluntary.

In an email to its workforce on Monday, the Justice Department said that during a meeting with the interagency Chief Human Capital Officers Council, OPM informed agencies that employee responses to the email are voluntary. OPM also clarified that despite what Musk had posted, a non-response to the email does not equate to a resignation, the email said.

Update: Before he likely oversaw that email warning about malign foreign actors, HHS’ Acting General Counsel raised a bunch of other reasons this email was problematic.

One message on Sunday morning from the Department of Health and Human Services, led by Robert F. Kennedy Jr., instructed its roughly 80,000 employees to comply. That was shortly after the acting general counsel, Sean Keveney, had instructed some not to. And by Sunday evening, agency leadership issued new instructions that employees should “pause activities” related to the request until noon on Monday.

“I’ll be candid with you. Having put in over 70 hours of work last week advancing Administration’s priorities, I was personally insulted to receive the below email,” Keveney said in an email viewed by the AP that acknowledged a broad sense of “uncertainty and stress” within the agency.

Keveney laid out security concerns and pointed out some of the work done by the agency’s employees may be protected by attorney-client privilege.

Update: Just hours before the deadline, OPM issued new guidance. Using the word “should,” it says people should respond to their managers and CC OPM.

It also excuses Executive Office of the President — purportedly because of the Presidential Records Act.

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    • Rugger_9 says:

      Yep, but the problem is that we taxpayers will be footing the bill to defend it. As far as I am concerned, it’s money well spent if it gets rid of Convict-1 / Krasnov and Musk along with their commissars. Consider it a loss leader. What we’ll get out of this is the clear opportunity (like the 60+ cases from the 2020 election) for Convict-1 / Krasnov to argue their case in court, in the open. They have to put all of their cards on the table. When they’re rejected like the 60+ cases before were, it’s harder to claim it’s about law and order.

      Likewise, we’ll be seeing a lot of trash out of the FBI now that Bongino will be deputy director. One hopes there are law firms willing to work pro bono for clients unjustly accused as we will undoubtedly see, as well as demand back pay, etc. like McCabe was able to get (IIRC).

      • Spencer Dawkins says:

        Yes. I’ve seen Trump’s “I look forward to being sued” as code for “I’m betting with the house’s money”. It’s “heads, I win, tails, you lose”. Flipping that will make me living through the next four years worthwhile.

    • BRUCE F COLE says:

      When Mills told him “We’ll see you in court,” here’s how Trump responded (from that link):
      “Good, I’ll see you in court,” Trump said. “I look forward to that. That should be a real easy one. And enjoy your life after governor, because I don’t think you’ll be in elected politics.”

      As if on cue, shortly after that exchange, there were calls for Mills to run against Susan Collins when both their terms expire next year. My guess is she will consider that, and she would likely win, especially as the real-world shock waves from Trump’s shock and awe are being fully experienced by the red voters in District 2. Collins may even have decided to hang up the towel by then.

      Otoh, Mills is 5 years older than Collins, and at 77, doesn’t fit the bill for that reason alone, even though she exudes spunk. She’s also well to the right of most Dems in our state, so I’d be voting for her with my nose-clothespin on — as I did when she ran for Gov the last two times. So Trump is probably right that her political career is winding down, but not because he will have had anything to do with it.

      Also with respect to Trump’s stance on this subject, it’s another hypocritical position vis a vis “state’s rights,” as the Trump edict contradicts Maine law in that area. In that regard, Trump’s position may well fail simply because it was promulgated capriciously.

      • BRUCE F COLE says:

        One other thing about that spat: Mills was State AG for two terms before she was Gov, so that adds to the ledger on Mills’ side.

      • ernesto1581 says:

        Who knows? Mills may have a bump in popularity at the moment but the truth is most of her support is along the Rte 1 corridor, as far downeast as Ellsworth, anyway. And as you say, she is to the right of most state Dems. Head ten or twenty miles north off the corridor at an interstate exit, though, and you’ll find right wing mouth breathers galore still pissed off at the way Mills handled Covid.

        I’m sure, however, the good people of Caribou are still pleased that Mrs Collins went to Washington and remains “concerned.”

        And speaking of Maine 2, what, if anything, does Jared Golden have to say about this mishigas?

        As far as the conveniently flexible notion of federalism is concerned (aka “Roberts’s Law”), an offshoot of Carson v Makin (which originated in Maine) brought to suit by ADL on behalf of Mid Vermont Christian School over a year ago against half of the Vermont DOE, a school super, and several board members is still making its way through the underbrush.

        • BRUCE F COLE says:

          Do you mean ADF?

          Speaking of acronyms that begin with “A”, the ACLU is supporting the state argument in the Bangor Xian and St Dominic’s Catholic suit in ME. Definitely a more appropriate use of the alphabet.

          Carson is why the OK Supt of Schools started requiring all OK public school kids to watch his televised Xian testimony in class. We’ll all be sending tax dollars to chlorinate baptismal pools before you know it. At least Catholic baptismal fonts use a lot less water.

          That ringing in your ears is Jefferson’s ghost screaming in pain.

    • earlofhuntingdon says:

      Trump always says shit like he looks forward to getting sued. Doesn’t mean it’s true. He’s taken that position for half a century.

      He does like it more than usual, though. He beat back the DoJ’s attempts to prosecute him, though not NY state’s attempts to sue and prosecute him. He also likes it that he’s not paying to defend his absurd legal positions any more. The taxpayers are. But he always gets cold feet when lawsuits get to the discovery is mandatory phase.

  1. harpie says:

    Marcy, above: [Geidner] described how just forcing the Administration to defend itself, on the record and in public, can lead to wins down the road.

    Another example, I think: Marcy, just now:
    https://bsky.app/profile/emptywheel.bsky.social/post/3lixakz22ys22
    February 24, 2025 at 4:00 PM

    Hampton Dellinger, who remains in place bc SCOTUS deferred response to Trump’s request for immediate intervention, released a redacted copy of one of six requests that MPSB reinstate an employee Trump fired. He’s a disabled vet who was at Education Department. [link][screenshot]

    • harpie says:

      Here’s Kyle Cheney with a link to Dellinger’s announcement:

      https://bsky.app/profile/kyledcheney.bsky.social/post/3lix36fb2bd2v
      February 24, 2025 at 2:24 PM

      Hampton DELLINGER, the federal ethics watchdog who Trump has been blocked from firing by a federal court, rules some of the terminations of “probationary” employees appear to be illegal. [link] [screenshot]

      Links to:
      Special Counsel Dellinger Statement on
      Request that MSPB Stay Terminations of Probationary Employees

      2/24/2025 Prohibited Personnel Practices

      […] A redacted example of one of the stay requests can be found here. [This is the link both Marcy and Cheney link to]

      OSC does not typically comment on stay requests while they are awaiting a decision by the MSPB. Consistent with OSC’s past practice, Special Counsel Dellinger did not comment publicly on the pending request prior to its apparent disclosure by one of the agencies named as a respondent. Because his stay requests are now being publicly discussed, the Special Counsel provides the following statement. […]

      • harpie says:

        ^^^ That’s the same reason Georgia SoS Brad Raffensperger could
        talk/write about TRUMP’s 1/2/21 extortion call with him. [re: “finding votes”]

        The last sentence of his statement:

        The Special Counsel believes other probationary employees are similarly situated to the six workers for whom he currently is seeking relief. Dellinger is considering ways to seek relief for a broader group without the need for individual filings with OSC.

        https://osc.gov/News/Pages/25-22-Stay-Request-Probationary-Employees.aspx

        • P J Evans says:

          “Probationary” doesn’t mean “on probation for poor work”, although that’s what President Musk seems to believe. The locksmith for Yosemite Park, for example, was trained by the previous locksmith, and was 48 weeks into a year of probation as an employee. So now they have thousands of locks and no local locksmith.
          (I think a year is way long, but I’m not running their system.)

      • e.a. foster says:

        When I saw the locksmith incident on the news couldn’t stop laughing. Like how stupid could they be to do that? At some future date I’m sure people when looking for the definition of “stupid” will mention this incident and others.

        • Raven Eye says:

          When I took my first Civil Service position, I was probationary with over 25 years of relevant experience.

  2. drhester says:

    Talk about waste. A fed employee on Reddit posted this

    Its a $17 mil ruse, based on if every employee took ~10 minutes to respond to the email. A ruse that was un budgeted for by any agency. A bonafide case of waste.

    Now some employees did not respond, but some spent a lot more than 10 minutes

    • neetanddave says:

      i read something on Mastodon that one agency said do NOT read any email unless you are on the clock, since you can’t work off the books. i think they also advised not to reply to this horseshit.

    • HorsewomaninPA says:

      Add to the time it takes to write out a 5 point reply that carries with it the weight of whether you keep your job or not, all the time that leadership up and down the chain of command has had to spend answering employees’ concerns, meeting and discussing the issue with lawyers, and deciding about how to respond and communicating with employees etc and I’m sure the figure is at least double $17m.

  3. Marc in Denver says:

    Per Chris Geidner:
    UPDATE: During a meeting of the Chief Human Capital Officers Council this afternoon, OPM informed everyone that responses to the “5 bullets” email are voluntary and confirmed that a non-response is not a resignation.

    The news is now trickling down to employees, with slightly differing language.

    • P J Evans says:

      Some of the departments had already sent out an email like that, based on their own long-standing policies. OPM is late with theirs.

  4. Savage Librarian says:

    Kudos to Kel McClanahan. So proud of you and your courageous clients. You set the example of what the nation could and should be, unlike the GOP Congress members and the Roberts’ MAGAt court.

    Sure wish they were as honorable as you. But, instead, they’ve been hell bent on slinging us into fascism. But this seems like it may be just the thing to snap them out of their poor judgment and low character. Sure hope so.

    Thanks for sharing this, Marcy!

  5. earlofhuntingdon says:

    Yes. Forcing Trump to defend lawsuits makes important information a matter of public record, freezes the govt’s position, and puts govt lawyers’ bar licenses at risk when me makes them lie and say stupid things to federal judges. Judge Moss, for example, graduated from Hamilton College and Yale Law and has decades of experience. He does no suffer fools gladly.

    • dopefish says:

      There’s literally no other way they could read hundreds of thousands–millions?–of responses and decide which N% of them sounded important enough to spare the responders from being fired.

      (Its also true that AI trained by these clowns will be less-than-100% successful choosing which responses indicate “people fulfilling important and useful functions”. I assumed their plan was to use AI to assign a score to every response, assign zero to non-responses, and then try to purge the bottom 10 or 20% of every agency according to their stupid scores. If we’re being charitable, perhaps other factors–like gov’t performance reviews–would somehow be folded into their scores… but only if they could do that in some dystopian, automated fashion.)

      • P J Evans says:

        When they don’t even know what an agency does, they’re going to get it wrong, no matter how they do it.

        • Bugboy321 says:

          See also: “They are on “probation”! They MUST have done SOMETHING wrong to be placed on “probation”, right?” works if you goal is to destroy the administrative state. Making government lean and mean might get the mean part right, but the lean is not happening without the loss of services that these guys think just happens all by itself.

      • RipNoLonger says:

        Selektion

        Selektion (from SHOAH Resource Center)
        (literally, selection; in plural, selektionen), term used by the Nazis to denote the sorting of deportees or prisoners into two groups—those who were to do forced labor, and those who were to be killed.

        AI does it faster.

      • Harry Eagar says:

        My grandfather, who was a draftsman at Combustion Engineering, liked to tell this story about efficiency experts. (It’s long but I like it.)

        Combustion got its start after the Civil War with one white guy, one black guy and one mule. It made boilers, at first by digging a trench, starting a fire in it, putting a sheet of iron over it and bending it into a cylinder as it softened. By the time the efficiency expert arrived, Combustion was making atomic reactors.

        In the drafting department was a wall lined with the engineering drawings of every boiler Combustion ever made (after the early few). The expert asked the draftsmen, ‘Do you use these?’ ‘Not often,’ they said. So the expert threw them out.

        It turned out, though, that plenty of Combustion boilers were still is service after more than a century. Every now and then, one would break down.

        Pre-efficiency, the boiler owner woud write to Chattanooga for the needed part, the machinists’ would get the drawing and the part would be put on a bus for the cotton seed mill in Sylacauga or wherever.

        Post-efficiency, a trained engineer would have to go Sylacauga, make measured drawing and bring it back to Chattanooga. The mill would be out of service for a week at its most hectic season.

        • P J Evans says:

          I worked at a gas distribution company, They had all the drawings for their pipelines, in binders, in storage. Someone looked in the room, saw all the dusty binders. and tossed them. Not all the binders were lost, but still….
          (They’ve scanned all the ones they could to PDF. All the thousands of maps, too. At high resolution.)

  6. wa_rickf says:

    What I am noticing about Trump is that he typically agrees with the last person who spoke with him – even going as far as changing direction 180-degrees.

    The guy is so wishy-washy, that anyone can change his mind if the argument “sounds good.” Clearly Trump is not able to think or reason on his own, nor stick to a plan. What a flake.

    • wa_rickf says:

      Case-in-point:

      Macron the ‘Trump whisperer’ works his magic but US and Europe remain an ocean apart
      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/25/emmanuel-macron-donald-trump-whisperer-us-europe-relations

      Macron got Trump to agree to some form of American “backing” for any possible future deployment of European forces to help keep the peace in Ukraine. Macron went as far as calling it a “turning point” – Trump did not correct his guest.

      This is a far different reaction from Trump after last week’s meeting with Putin.

      …as I wrote above: Trump typically agrees with the last person who spoke with him.

      re: DOGE

      Someone got to Trump regarding Elmo’s Saturday email. Trump’s administration said yesterday afternoon, that federal workers did not have to comply with Elmo’s email to list five things accomplished last week – only to have Elmo double-down giving workers “a second chance” to comply or be fired.

    • Ginevra diBenci says:

      Trump’s gullibility, especially when the person swaying him is someone he perceives as powerful or prestigious (someone with “ratings”), has been noted for years. His previous administration was notorious for policy changes inspired by such whims.

      The difference now, as I see it, is that glamorous Influencers still do turn his head and have his ear. He still alters his stated beliefs (since he has no deeply held philosophy of his own) based on what the last It Person told him; it’s just that now he no longer remembers the rationale behind the decisions–or, eventually, the decisions themselves.

      Trump says he convinced Putin to share “my campaign slogan, ‘COMMON SENSE.'” The problem: that was never his campaign slogan. Where did that come from? Probably Putin, but we’ll never know. With Trump, there is a growing slag heap of stuff we will never know…stuff that is reshaping life as we know it against our will.

  7. Fly by Night says:

    I just read a very interesting article in The Atlantic by Jonathan Rausch, “One Word Describes Trump”. It’s behind a paywall but I saw it in my Apple News app.

    There is an answer, and it is not classic authoritarianism—nor is it autocracy, oligarchy, or monarchy. Trump is installing what scholars call patrimonialism. Understanding patrimonialism is essential to defeating it. In particular, it has a fatal weakness that Democrats and Trump’s other opponents should make their primary and relentless line of attack.

    The fatal flaw is corruption. He provides the following remedy:

    Do the Democrats need a positive message of their own? Sure, they should do that work. But right now, when they are out of power and Trump is the capo di tutti capi, the history of patrimonial rule suggests that their most effective approach will be hammering home the message that he is corrupt.

    Well worth the read if you can get to it.

    • BRUCE F COLE says:

      Thom Hartmann has a more dire concern, that Trump is priming the nation for a totalatarian response to a Reichstag fire-type incident.
      https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2025/2/24/2232789/-Reichstag-Fire-2-0-Will-Trump-Use-a-Crisis-to-Kill-Democracy
      He articulates what looks very much like a setup for that eventuality to take place:
      “Trump’s popularity is now collapsing as his largest campaign donor takes a chainsaw to the American government, threatening virtually every aspect of federal and state functions from Social Security to Medicaid to medical research and foreign aid. An attack on America that would enable him to play the role Bush did after 9/11 would be very politically useful.

      In an extreme case, which he has publicly mused about, an attack could justify his declaring a national state of emergency, suspending elections, and putting the Constitution on ice. He could then shut down media he doesn’t like, imprison people who speak out, and suspend the 2026 and 2028 elections.

      All legally.

      At the same time he’s contemplating this, the FBI — America’s premiere counterterrorism organization — is being scattered with as many as 1500 agents leaving Washington, DC. An open apologist for Putin has been put in charge of our intelligence services. And the senior leadership of our military was just purged, replaced with toadies who’ll praise Trump as if this were North Korea at every opportunity.

      And the JAG officers of each branch of the military along with their senior commanders — the people who would determine the legality of presidential orders to, say, shoot at protestors or open detention camps for journalists and dissidents — have been fired and replaced by loyalists who’ll do whatever Trump demands.

      Brett Holmgren was the director of the National Counterterrorism Center until a few weeks ago; he recently warned that the threat levels right now are at unprecedented highs.”

      Read the whole thing, if you will. He sets up the numerous historical precedents, including 9/11 and 10/7. This is part of their toolkit.

      The gutting of military leadership, dismemberment of the FBI and the JAGs and all the crippling of our government in general are all dire warning signs that this is in the offing. There should be immediate Dem political mobilization to warn the country that this is his plan, and to draft articles of impeachment in that regard.

      Hair on fire paranoia? Survey the landscape folks. It all points to the demolition of the USA and the assumption of dictatorial control by full blown megalomaniacs.

      • drhester says:

        Thom Hartmann always has a dire concern. Always. He mostly coughs up worst case scenarios. I am not saying that he is not correct. Just noting, it’s how he is.

        • BRUCE F COLE says:

          Funny, though, isn’t it that we’re actually living in the shit show he’s been predicting right along? Too bad more people didn’t pay closer attention earlier.

      • Fiendish Thingy says:

        Hartmann is either using clickbait language in a desperate effort to get more viewers, or he’s gone off the deep end.

        Nationwide martial law is a physical impossibility with the military’s limited manpower and resources, 400 million people to control, over a vast land mass. It simply can’t be done, not even with drones.

        Elections are run by the states, and cannot be cancelled, even in wartime. Lincoln was re-elected during the civil war.

        I have no tolerance for those who proclaim Trump is omnipotent and the people are powerless.

        • Gacyclist says:

          Yet they failed to overturn an election in 2020 only because the people in charge of the guardrails wouldn’t cooperate. Tjise are all being removed and replaced with sycophants. I don’t share your optimism about 26 and 28 elections.

        • BRUCE F COLE says:

          @ fiendish thingy

          What a relief that Trump’s declared, fully-underway theocratic/plutocratic dictatorship will fail! Lucky us!

          Actually Hartman and many others aren’t blinded by their desire to ignore the obvious shitstorm that’s been tracking in this direction for decades. And if you actually paid attention, he and many others are offering counter-strategies aplenty (not that large-scale situational awareness isn’t critical in its own right).

          If you don’t think that we’re perched directly between Hell and a handbasket right now, the position of you’re eyelids might have something to do with that.

        • Rayne says:

          Try doing a little less Chicken Little and a little more constructive resistance. Most of this community knows exactly where we’re at. Our problem is as it always has been: not enough people showing up to do the necessary work. Demoralization with repetitions of everything that’s wrong adding nothing new and informative isn’t going to remedy this.

        • Rayne says:

          Reply to BRUCE F COLE
          February 26, 2025 at 12:02 pm

          You’re walking a fine line right now. Your comments are increasingly demoralizing rather than inspiring action. Slow your roll and ask yourself before posting comments if you’re adding anything new to the conversation, if you are discouraging others or engaging the topic with new substance.

  8. Matt Foley says:

    Dear MTG and all MAGAs in Congress,
    By 5PM tomorrow you are each required to list 5 of your own accomplishments and how they have made Americans safer, healthier, or wealthier.
    Regards,
    U.S. Taxpayers for Cutting Waste

  9. wetzel-rhymes-with says:

    Trump/Musk cannot be permitted to transform DOJ, CIA, Homeland Security, and the Army for dictatorship. Resistance by lawsuit at all levels is beneficial, though won’t stem the tide, mainly because what the Executive can do within their own bureaus is outside potential judicial review as is much of executive decision-making.

    If George Washington’s Army is being made an instrument of fascism, we won’t be victims. We will all be complicit. This has been history’s judgment on every society that permitted fascist dictatorship. Our fascist leader will belong to us. It is our moral responsibility to resist. Being good, regular people is no excuse for Russians just like it wasn’t for Germans under Nazism. Resistance across society short of open rebellion is an existential duty because living in a fascist state makes the challenge of being a good person impossible. In my opinion, the Democratic Party should be reforming itself for Maiden Revolution. Even if I am alarmist, it would make the Democratic Party stronger.

    • BRUCE F COLE says:

      See my post just above. This is true, his poll numbers are plummeting, but now is when we’re in the most danger because of the extensive damage he’s wrought in all government sectors, inserting his toadies in every slot where national security is at stake. Read this Hartmann piece, just up:
      https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2025/2/24/2232789/-Reichstag-Fire-2-0-Will-Trump-Use-a-Crisis-to-Kill-Democracy
      He is most dangerous when he appears the weakest. He’s a very sick man with an ego that is insatiable, a genuine admiration for dictators, openly Nazi-loving followers and a US govt kneecapped by him this last 5 weeks.

      This is a very dangerous moment in the history of the world. As I said above, we need to call attention to this very dynamic being played out, and to demand impeachment for the damage he’s wrought already. The only way we can forestall his complete destruction of our American experiment is to confront him head on about what he’s done and call attention to what he’s about to do, before he does it.

    • dopefish says:

      Doyen’s take feels like high-grade copium. He should have waited 3 more months before writing it–at the current moment the coup has obviously NOT yet failed, and the U.S. feels close to the point of no return.

      Republican congresscritters will just stop holding townhalls, they’re not going to actually stand up to Trump. He’s going to shred the federal government, betray Ukraine and Europe, and cause economic chaos in North America. The U.S. will be substantially and permanently weakened, and global instability will increase.

      Maybe there will eventually be a large backlash to the policies of the Trump regime, and maybe they will turn out to be responsive to that backlash. I’ll believe that when we actually see it.

  10. Shagpoke Whipple says:

    Just a note on the silly Yosemite locksmith situation. Anyone who has been there and knows how far it is from a town with a locksmith, anyone who understands that a setup like that needs someone who knows how access to all the buildings works, would not… oh, never mind. Good luck on your summer trip to any destination in the National Park system. I know this is small potatoes compared to a late Social Security check or a denied Medicare claim, but it will get some attention from all sorts of folk.

        • Georgia Virginia says:

          If the parks close, that will get a reaction, not just from vacationers but from those who live near a National Park – many of which (including the most popular, Smoky Mtns National Park)are in red states. My sister and brother-in law worked at a national park at the VA/ TN/Kty state lines, and during the Trump gov shutdown in Trump 1, locals were stunned that “their” park (and source of revenue) was closed. They thought all gov workers were in DC, not in their own town.

  11. hippiebullsht says:

    to borrow a turnt phrase from house music infamy,
    “WORK THAT FATHERFUCKER!*!*!WORK THAT FATHERFUCKER!*!*!WORK THAT FATHERFUCKER!*!*!”
    fat orange lazy Litigious Rex will be dying on his own sword, litigated to death and beyond as he deserves.

  12. Eschscholzia says:

    1) Section 4.3 of the PIA is absolutely violated, and could be part of the new motion:

    4.3. Privacy Impact Analysis: Related to Notice
    Privacy Risk: There is a risk that individuals will not realize their response is voluntary.
    Mitigation: This risk is mitigated by ensuring that any email sent using GWES is clear, by explicitly stating that the response is voluntary, and by including specific instructions for a response.

    2) There’s the other case of departments or agencies who sent out email to their staff directing them to reply to the hr @ opm.gov email, and send a copy to the department as well as the supervisor. At that point is the reply no longer optional because it is ordered by the official departmental chain of command, or is it still optional because it is to the hr @ opm.gov?

    3) If any tweets from Musk must be taken as official, then his tweets that this is just to see if employees are alive and have 2 neurons conflicts with the reporting that a LLM will be used on these replies, which is probably grounds for another lawsuit. As you say: not necessarily to win immediately, but to further get things on record where the paint themselves into a corner.

    • Rayne says:

      Yet another conflict of interest using Xitter as a government communications tool. Was some of this intended to drive up DAU numbers on that platform in order to increase ad sales?

      • BRUCE F COLE says:

        Almost as certainly as Trump’s butt-nuzzle with Putin has been, to no small degree, about access to cheap RU oil and gas so his panoply of inflation-inducing moves get ameliorated.

        Makes me wonder what his petro-donor base thinks about that?

  13. harpie says:

    Farmers Sue Over Deletion of Climate Data From Government Websites The data, which disappeared from Agriculture Department sites in recent weeks, was useful to farmers for business planning, the lawsuit said. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/24/climate/agriculture-farmer-website-data-lawsuit.html Karen Zraick Feb. 24, 2025

    […] The Agriculture Department referred questions about the lawsuit to the Justice Department, which did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
    […]
    The sites under the department’s umbrella include those of the Forest Service, which is responsible for stewardship of forests and grasslands; the Natural Resources Conservation Service, which helps landowners implement conservation practices; and those of other divisions focused on farms and ranches, disaster recovery and rural development. […]

    NYT does not link to the lawsuit, but Just Security has it, here:
    https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Northeast-Organic-Farming-Association-Complaint-feb-25-2025.pdf

  14. drhester says:

    Just one of the responses Elon got.

    Dear Elon,
    Here’s what I did last week.
    1. got blitzed on Ketamine
    2. ignored my children
    3. tweeted 1782 times
    4. wore weird sunglasses inside
    5. got humiliated by astronauts.
    Honestly I think I should be fired for this, but that’s your call.
    Best,
    Jon

  15. bloopie2 says:

    Isn’t there a nineteen year old boy running around as one of Musk’s key IT guys? So young. Likely still on probation. Should be terminated, I guess.

      • BRUCE F COLE says:

        Grandpa’s a double agent, grandson’s a saboteur and safe cracker.

        Central Casting is being severely overworked in this outfit. They actually had to come up with a Deduschka.

    • earlofhuntingdon says:

      A junior analyst at Booz Allen would fail their security clearance background check with that sort of history.

  16. xyxyxyxy says:

    OT, prayers for not a mass shooting this time, but for tax cuts. “”This is a prayer request,” Johnson even quipped on Monday. “Just pray this through for us because it is very high stakes,” he added of this week’s effort even as he expressed confidence Republicans could get it done.
    “I don’t think anyone wants to be in front of this train. I think they want to be on it,” he added.
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/unforgiving-math-has-republicans-asking-for-prayer-as-they-try-to-move-forward-on-tax-cuts-151932300.html

  17. harpie says:

    Federal technology staffers resign rather than help Musk and DOGE
    https://apnews.com/article/doge-elon-musk-federal-government-resignations-usds-6b7e9b7022e6d89d69305e9510f2a43c Updated 11:23 AM EST, February 25, 2025

    […] The staffers who resigned worked for what was once known as the United States Digital Service, an office established during President Barack Obama’s administration after the botched rollout of Healthcare.gov, the web portal that millions of Americans use to sign up for insurance plans through the Democrat’s signature health care law.

    All had previously held senior roles at such tech companies as Google and Amazon and wrote in their resignation letter that they joined the government out of a sense of duty to public service. […]

    “We will not use our skills as technologists to compromise core government systems, jeopardize Americans’ sensitive data, or dismantle critical public services,” they wrote [in their joint resignation letter]. “We will not lend our expertise to carry out or legitimize DOGE’s actions.” […]

    • CaptainCondorcet says:

      Having a senior coder is worth its weight in gold in the state public sector I work, and their time is a heavily fought-over commodity. To lose almost two dozen senior tech roles, one third of the tech staff that remained after all the purges, would be devastating. Were similar percentages to occur at one of my positions, we would have to secure outside consultant work almost immediately. Somebody check the muskrat shell companies and see if he is running any…

      • Bruce Olsen says:

        They need to be put in touch with Nathan Tankus at https //www.crisesnotes.com/

        It’s a great, great site; if you’re not familiar with it I recommend it without reservation.

        To you, too, Marcy. I didn’t find Tankus on a search.

  18. thequickbrownfox says:

    The Dancing Dipshit posted this on his Xitter last night:

    “Subject to the discretion of the President, they will be given another chance. Failure to respond a second time will result in termination.”

  19. bloopie2 says:

    Not sure if this one has been noted yet. Seems to call for a lot of WASTEd time and effort.

    President Trump Issues DOGE Executive Order on Rescinding Agency Regulations and Terminating Enforcement Proceedings

    In a recent Executive Order, President Trump affirms that it is his administration’s policy “to focus the executive branch’s limited enforcement resources on regulations squarely authorized by constitutional Federal statues, and to commence the deconstruction of the overbearing and burdensome administrative state.” The order issues two principal mandates to agency heads, including the heads of independent agencies: first, to review their existing regulations within 60 days to identify regulations falling into seven categories, which will then be slated for rescission or modification, and second, to review ongoing civil or criminal enforcement proceedings regarding any regulations identified in their regulatory review to determine whether enforcement “is compliant with the law and Administration policy,” and then, on a case-by-case basis, direct the termination of such proceedings.

    • P J Evans says:

      They want to get rid of three-fourths of both people and regulations. Shouldn’t their edicts also apply to the WH and all its minions?

    • Ginevra diBenci says:

      Did they really say “constitutional Federal *statues*”? As in…Abe Lincoln’s? The Obelisk? Or that little girl opposite the Wall Street bull?

      This alone should disqualify Trump.

    • thequickbrownfox says:

      The regulations are keeping us from doing what we intend, and judges insist that we follow them. We’re going to solve that problem by eliminating the regulations. It’s all ‘perfectly legal’, because we make the determination.

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