If You Can’t Stand the Hypotheticals, Get Out of the Cabinet
First it was Pete Hegseth who said it, followed 24 hours later by Pam Bondi. In the days ahead, I am sure we will hear the same from Tusli Gabbard, Robert Kennedy Jr., Marco Rubio, Kash Patel . . . et cetera, et cetera. et f-ing cetera: “Senator, I am not going to talk about a hypothetical.” Implied in the body language and tone of voice is the unstated addition “. . . and how dare you ask me about mythical future possibilities, rather than focus on the here and now.” Though to be fair, sometimes, as with Bondi’s exchange with Adam Schiff, that “how dare you” is spoken out loud.
But here’s the thing: the job description of every member of the Cabinet, and every senior leader of a federal agency, is centered on hypotheticals.
The Department of Defense is certainly focused on hypotheticals. The senior leadership — the Secretary of Defense, the Joint Chiefs, the various regional commanders, and a host of others — spend a huge amount of energy imagining hypothetical situations, and then planning on how to address those situations. “What would we do, if Iran successfully lobs a bomb at Israel?” or “How would we react to China sending a fleet up and down the coast of New Zealand, at the same time that they run ‘war games’ around Taiwan?” or “How would we respond to a North Korean missile that appears headed to strike Japan?” Senior DOD folks fear one thing above all: something happens that they never even imagined would happen.
The State Department and the Intelligence agencies operate with much the same fear. Every one of them dwells on hypotheticals every day, both reactive (“What do we do if they do X?”) and also proactive (“How might we game out a path to Z, knowing how others would react to our actions?”) None of these national security leaders want to have to face the question “How could you have missed this?” Lower level staffers put together voluminous briefing books for senior leaders, trying to prepare them for all the hypothetical situations they might encounter on a foreign trip, or when meeting with a foreign counterpart here in the US.
Lawyers — like the Attorney General — play with hypotheticals all the time as they plot out investigative paths, map the steps toward indictments, and game out strategy for trials. “If they say X, how do we respond? . . . If we want a judge to grant us a search warrant, what do we need to show, without fully tipping our hand for all the world to see? . . . If we want the jury to agree with us, how to we move them in that direction?” The legal cliche “Never ask a question you don’t know the answer to” is the logical advice that emerges in a profession that thrives on hypotheticals.
If Pete Hegseth and Pam Bondi hate talking about hypotheticals, they are angling for the wrong jobs. The jobs for which they are nominated require that they embrace hypotheticals, not reject them.
But it’s not just these national security positions. Look at a department as benign as the Department of Transportation. How many times has Pete Buttigieg’s day been turned upside down by a bridge collapse, a railroad derailment, or a computer glitch that screws up the aviation industry? The Department of Transportation has all kinds of folks who spend their days imagining hypotheticals and preparing for how to react if they come to be, or (even better) how to prevent them from taking place in the first place. If you can’t imagine something happening, you can’t imagine how to prevent it or react to it.
Or think of the Department of Agriculture. What would the Department do, if a hot dry summer kills off crops across the Great Plains? What if a hard freeze hits the entire southeast, killing off the citrus industry? What would the Department do, if an epidemic of bird flu hits chicken producers and processors, and then appears in the dairy industry?
Oh, wait. That last one isn’t a hypothetical.
Then, of course, there are agencies like the CDC, NIH, and FDA. Their whole reason for being, at the top of a public health system that goes down to local health departments, is to get ahead of diseases. Two questions drive every bit of their work: (1) How can we slow and stop a disease from spreading? and (2) How can we prevent an outbreak from starting in the first place? Both of those questions require imagining hypotheticals, so that hypothetical strategies can be developed. When folks in the early 20th century asked “Are there actions that can be taken to reduce the spread of disease?” they realized that things like public sanitation matter. Get clean water into every home. Keep trash from piling up in the streets, and thus keep rats and other disease-spreaders at bay. At the same time, researchers looked at strategies aimed at individuals, like improved nutrition, vaccines, and therapies of all kinds. Good research scientists ask “what if . . . ” every day of their professional lives, and those who support and guide these scientists do the same.
The more these Trump nominees express their refusal to examine hypotheticals, the more some Senator needs to point out that the jobs they are selling their souls for are filled with these things they hate.
Re Kennedy, it’s Robert.
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Fixed – TY!
An excellent post. Much of government at all levels protects us from “what-ifs.”
These first real rodeo folks are in for a rough ride, especially if they try to turn the government battleship on a dime. The natural inertia of bureaucracy may be what saves us from disaster.
Up to point, because there are a lot of burrowed Bushies and Trumpers in the bureaucracy too. Remember Emily Murohy, GSA head in 45’s WH? She delayed transition in 2021 because she wasn’t sure Biden won.
Well Peterr, and all, why do you play along with the charade? Why do elected Democrats play along? Put an X for No and move along. Next.
Why do they do this fucking shit pretending all is normal while the serial killer is operating in the basement downstairs. Just check the NO box and get out of the house.
But no, all love the drama. It’s a horror movie, are you not entertained?
Well, stranger, don’t leave us in suspense. Do tell what you are doing – besides attacking Democrats- to resist/expose the “charade”?
I’ve got to agree with Jan. The lack of resistance is startling.
I think what it comes down to is this: The world must change at once, at least where climate is concerned. But change is difficult and even without the oil companies pushing back nobody wants to make the effort. The big Trump theme underlying everything he does/says, even bigger than the racism and misogyny, is ‘No. We don’t have to change. And I’ve got some great distractions lined up, like the conquest of Canada and making all your racist, shitty dreams come true. But change? Don’t be silly!”
Troutwaxer:
NOBODY “wants to make the effort”? How about the guy who’s about to turn over the keys to the White House–the guy who did more in terms of government addressing climate change than anyone in this country’s history? How about appreciating those who do care and have made an effort?
I get that you’re frustrated and depressed. I am too. But an inaccurately negative view is just as stupid as brainwashed optimism. Maybe take a moment to feel (and express!) some gratitude for someone else’s efforts…it can have a powerfully positive effect on your own mental state.
Sigh. I’m not depressed. Mainly I’m noting that there’s an underlying selling point to the way Trump campaigned, and if anything I said is really worth discussing it’s whether ‘you don’t have to change’ is the big selling point which underlies everything Trump’s been telling us.
And yes, I’m completely befargled by the lack of serious resistance to Trump. But I’m not depressed about it and hope to add my voice to any resistance efforts. After a little more thought I think what’s happening now is that we’re in a holding pattern. We won’t know about any particular Trump promise whether it’s one he actually plans on fulfilling or just rhetoric.
So (keeping it simple) at this point we don’t know whether he plans to conquer Greenland and encourage vaccines or oppositely discourage vaccines and leave Greenland alone. Or both. Or neither. Unfortunately the nature of protest is that you can aim it at the wrong target and look really stupid, so you have to wait for the other side to commit. Once Trump commits to a particular path I think we’ll see a lot more resistance.
(On the subject of vaccines, particularly his appointing Robert Kennedy Jr. I’m not sure whether that’s really about vaccines or not – Trump is not a bright man and probably doesn’t understand the need to have an actual medical professional in that role.)
“I’m completely befargled by the lack of serious resistance to Trump”
You never describe what you expect to see as “serious resistance” — as if you are the arbiter of what is serious or resistance.
You also never describe what you are doing to resist let alone lead other resisters. On the face of it, your complaints are little more than a manifestation of “you don’t have to change” as well as ongoing demoralizatsiya.
I’m not a fan of P.J. O’Rourke but he did make this profound point: “Everybody wants to save the Earth; nobody wants to help Mom do the dishes.” For all you know resistance is going on and it misses you utterly because you want spectacle but it looks like Mom doing dishes by herself yet again. But we don’t know what your expectations are because all you do is complain you don’t see as-yet-undescribed resistance.
‘as if you are the arbiter of what is serious or resistance.’
Now I’m befargled because you imagine I could think of myself as an arbiter of what constitutes resistance. I think we’re talking past each other in half-a-dozen different ways so I’m dropping out of this conversation.
You have read innumerable posts here criticizing US media for their coverage of Democrats at all levels and yet you’re sure you know what’s going on in terms of resistance based on what…reading US media coverage?
*eye roll*
That goes for the reply from Troutwaxer as well. One thing we can count on which is even more obvious to those of us who read the comments here is that demoralizatsiya proliferates, especially among those who are least engaged in the Democratic Party and in actual resistance.
I’ve about had enough of it.
Merci. Saves me from opening another bag of popcorn.
At least you don’t have to worry about the price of this week’s popcorn. *sigh*
The price for next year’s popcorn is what worries me.
Reply to earlofhuntingdon
16-JAN-2025 12:05
Any price increase after 20 Jan won’t be due to tariffs.
https://www.nal.usda.gov/exhibits/speccoll/exhibits/show/popcorn
Here’s a hint for you: I don’t read mainstream media either.
What exactly would you like them to do? The Repubs have the majority. The Dems are pointing out how unqualified each nominee is in various ways, but the Repubs don’t care and the media is more interested in bowing before the God-Emperor.
I would like every Democrat to say “My republican friends, please don’t help trump destroy our government and country by voting for these obviously unqualified applicants. You don’t want to be responsible for the disaster that will ensue and you will be held accountable.”
You think this isn’t happening in Congress out of view of the public? You think the embarrassing bullshit spewing out of the grossly unqualified and political sycophantic nominees when questioned by Senate Democrats isn’t enough to make the point?
Do you really think members of a party who are completely compromised and operating under omertà will give a flying shit about anything at all any Democrat says when their crime syndicate’s rabid base never hears anything Senate Democrats say?
Do you really think members of a syndicate-masquerading-as-a-party rewarded for open belligerence won’t vote for these nominees because a Senate Democrat pathetically called them friend before pleading for them not to vote for their tangerine twatwaffle’s nominees?
Responsible, accountable? Hah. As if. They’re relying on Speech and Debate.
The resistance should be every goddamned anti-Trump voter and non-voter calling senators’ offices and demanding their representative doesn’t vote for the “obviously unqualified” nominees. This is constituents’ responsibility.
You first — call (202) 224-3121 and ask for your senators — and set an example.
Welcome to emptywheel.
Where are you looking for all the “resistance” you’re not seeing? On TV? Online, where fact-checking is now a thing of the past, algorithms drive hatred upward, and deep reporting lies behind paywalls or requires a real search? Or, like, just out your window?
Barack Obama did not say it first but he made it a catchphrase: You must be the change you want to make (or see) in the world. Did he say it was easy? No. Because it’s not easy, and he’s not a liar.
One step at a time. I recommend reading (or rereading) Tim Snyder’s On Tyranny. Yeah, everyone’s citing the first lesson, but there’s 19 other ones and I don’t know which will click with you. Or maybe check out Indivisible or Democracy Forward.
Most of all, don’t blame other people–even Democrats!–for not doing what you are not doing yourself.
completely agree
Also, re: waiting for others to commit – yes, sure, distracting bloviating about potential crazy damaging actions could draw ineffective protest that drains focus and energy. Good thing there are tons of concrete ongoing actions to counter. Yes I got to sit my teen uterus owner down and insist that she delete her period tracker off her phone as data could be subpoenaed [there’s an EU app, or paper]. I had a productive chat with a close friend who is staunchly antiabortion and also well aware there were more abortions under Trump 1 than other administrations – how can we all work to lower that number in humane ways that work? More birth control access??
Or, there are tons of positive actions (not a protest, just doing good) to launch or join! Here in NC we finally broke the Repub supermajority in the state legislature – one big step towards enabling elected reps of all parties to do actual work for – here’s a novel concept! – the people of NC.
So: why wait?
As a hypothetical, if you were a Republican Senator how might you earn a paycheck instead of just showing up and doing as told? Correct answer: Bargain your approval vote to get something for your district or yourself. There are no answers involving integrity and such. The correct answer is the best you can do, else change parties.
Well conceived and written.
Seems like this hypothetical “gaming process” has applicability regarding actions Trump and his administration will no doubt try to take. Game out – plan – so a hypothetical can be blunted early on.
Shall We Play a Game of Tic Tac Toe?
Sen. Fetterman seems a practical man. But I am not so sure of his litmus test, unequivocally back Israel and have my vote, or it seems reported as his litmus test; https://www.inquirer.com/politics/nation/john-fetterman-trump-cabinet-picks-kash-patel-pete-hegseth-20241226.html – and check the image there, he shows his sincerity by wearing a very, very lengthy necktie. You can’t always get what you want, but you get what you need? Wants and needs merged? Practical to a fault? Or limited in perspective? Or both?
“and how dare you ask me about mythical future possibilities”
The other thing I noticed during the questioning was they all had that Boof Kavanaugh attitude of persecution and indignity at being questioned. One more thing was they all to man or woman invoked tfg’s greatness and wisdom.
These hearings are sickening.
One of the questions asked of Pam Bondi (by Adam Schiff) was of “Are you aware of any factual predicate to investigate Liz Cheney?” She even called that a hypothetical which, ftr, it isn’t.
How did Schiff respond to her “answer?”
Her responses were all smarmy, don’t push me around, bub, non-responses. That is, theater.
Schiff [approx]: “What I’m asking is do you have the power to say no to the president and what you are suggesting with your none answer, is you don’t have the independence to say no to the president. ”
https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lfsf2tszb22a
January 15, 2025 at 1:22 PM
“What would the Department do, if an epidemic of bird flu hits chicken producers and processors, and then appears in the dairy industry?”
In all fairness to the incoming traitors of the enlightenment, the only “hypotheticals” they recognize are the financial impacts to those industries, and public health policy be damned if it doesn’t. Shareholder value takes primacy over the public good, every time.
Shareholders are already taking a beating from these things, as the producers are having to destroy entire flocks of birds to control the outbreak — which is why the price of eggs is going through the roof again. Dairy farmers are looking at this and wondering how long it will be before they have to cull their herds for the same reason, and God help anyone who needs milk, cheese, or other dairy products.
For these businesses, costs are going up, and people are cutting back on purchasing their product. Financial implications in this are no longer hypothetical – they are real and really bad.
There are measures that dairies could take, but they aren’t doing them, for one or another reason.
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/bird-flu-avian-flu-h5n1-virus
Right. And as long as share holder value take primacy, public health measures will suffer. No industry in this country has a better position to ask for public compensation for their losses, and what do they do? Not what epidemiologists suggest, but what their MBA’s tell them.
Around here, at least, they are also listening to their workers, who don’t like the idea of exposing themselves to a disease like this.
If your workers won’t go into the coops because it isn’t safe, the MBAs will have many fewer beans to count.
At Peterr says: January 16, 2025 at 2:48 pm
I suppose that’s good news, but I’m not optimistic. Do recall what happened to undocumented immigrant workers during COVID at meat packing plants.
Hypothetically speaking, what if opposition online blog sites, such as EmptyWheel, or SubStack, or MotherJones, or CNN, or The Atlantic, etc, etc, suddenly go black next week, Mr. Patel?
Well, we would be free from reading inane hypotheticals.
EoH, well then I suppose my inanity was not hypothetical, just sardonic.
It’s also possible that “Moses supposes erroneously.”
They don’t do hypotheticals…except when inventing hypothetical crimes to investigate (e.g., 2020 election fraud, Biden money laundering, etc.)
Not a hypothetical: the inside lining of Hegseth’s jacket; his tattoos.
“When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross.” – Sinclair Lewis.
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“…Imagine that you are a foreign leader who wishes to destroy the United States. How could you do so? The easiest way would be to get Americans to do the work themselves, to somehow induce Americans to undo their own health, law, administration, defense, and intelligence. From this perspective, Trump’s proposed appointments — Kennedy, Jr.; Bondi; Musk; Ramaswamy; Hegseth; Gabbard; Noem — are perfect instruments. They combine narcissism, incompetence, corruption, sexual incontinence, personal vulnerability, dangerous convictions, and foreign influence as no group before them has done. These proposed appointments look like a decapitation strike: destroying the American government from the top, leaving the body politic to rot, and the rest of us to suffer…” https://substack.com/@snyder/p-152399687
Exactly. Russian spend on American self-destruction has already delivered – and promises to increasingly deliver – far more for them for far less than their imminently-bankrupting military adventure in Ukraine.
This promises to be a real-time object lesson on how empires fall. It’s merely a question of which implodes first. But the Disunited States of Trump seems to be taking a renewed lead.
Grizebard looks at it one way. The other way, kleptocrats in Russia hand in hand with kleptocrats on our soil, not intermarrying as aristocrats did, but in a bond of klepto-pseudo-matrimony where the offspring are big yachts and yoked peasantry. Or is that what Grizebard said, his way? Al Capp would draw something up, if still alive. General Bullmoose and the Yocums. Fearless Fosdick keeping order?
This is a helpful perspective, thanks for sharing it
Isn’t it happening the way Federalist Society – Heritage Foundation wrote the book?
Where’s JD? Busy suggesting who should take over his Senate seat?
And Hegseth did get into spending for the Navy after answering how many genders we have. Some things will shrink, others flesh out bigger, better, deadlier. No hypothetical there.
I understand this post is about hypotheticals…but I just want to say that
there was one mention of “NOT a hypothetical” in the HEGSETH Hearing
on a question by SLOTKIN re: following illegal orders.
Throughout the Hearing, he basically asserted that any order TRUMP gives would NOT be illegal.
[If the President orders it, it’s not illegal.]
A little further on: