The Terrifying Complexity of Tech Oligarchs’ Obeisance to Trump

Perhaps I’m being a pollyanna. But from my perspective — living in Ireland, the lilypad for America’s tech companies, where regulators just ordered Meta to improve its responsiveness to complaints about terrorist content — I’m nowhere near as worried that ABC settled the lawsuit over whether Trump raped or just digitally raped E Jean Carroll as I am that one after another big tech oligarch, Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, Sundar Pichai, and Tim Cook (Trump made a point in his presser today to note Sergey Brin has also come calling), has bent his knee to Trump, to say nothing of Elon Musk dumping $250 million to get Trump elected and then insinuating himself into the Trump family.

This post from Liz Dye and Andrew Torrez explains why, from a legal perspective, the ABC settlement is not quite as scandalous as some are taking it to be. And this Brian Stelter column explains why the timing of it suggests ABC may have had good reason to avoid discovery. All the times Fox has settled lawsuits before Sean Hannity had to sit for a deposition, which is when Fox always settles, were not deemed the end of the world, and this may not be either. It may, instead, simply be the shitty decision of a shitty mega corporation.

To be sure, Trump is going to follow Viktor Orbán’s formula and try to discipline the legacy media into acting as his captive media (as Anne Appelbaum discussed with Greg Sargent). But where have you been?!?! He made great strides in doing that already — building on his successful propaganda about the Russian investigation with distractions about dick pics in lieu of actual reporting on Trump’s alleged crime and corruption. The legacy media has been gleefully playing a useful prop in Trump’s domination reality TV show for years. I’d like them to stop, but cannot force them to figure out how they’re being used.

The obeisance from the tech oligarchs, however, terrifies me in a different way.

Consider how many different issues intersect in the business conflicts of these men:

  • Imports (especially for Apple) that might be subject to tariffs
  • Anti-trust
  • The Artificial Intelligence booming bustlet
  • Moderation & other content issues
  • EU privacy and moderation policy
  • Intelligence sharing and government contacting

Start with the ways that Trump has leverage over these oligarchs: Trump is threatening tariffs that could devastate Apple’s iPhone imports and Amazon’s general imports. Trump’s nominee to lead FCC, Brendan Carr, has threatened to pull Section 230 protection for platforms that moderate content. Biden’s DOJ has taken unprecedented anti-trust actions against Big Tech that Trump could easily reverse. Bezos, especially, is a big government contractor.

Trump has a whole set of carrots and sticks he can use with these oligarchs, even ignoring Trump’s threat to put Zuckerberg in prison for the rest of his life.

Meanwhile, all these men have spent the last few years enshittifying their companies with a commitment to Artificial Intelligence. Not only is Google’s search monopoly under threat in DOJ’s lawsuit, but Google has made its search function utterly useless with shitty AI.

AI was at once a stupid business bet, but also a wicked (and thus far, painfully successful) investment in busting intellectual property and with it white collar employment security, including that of journalists.

Trump’s sidekick Elon Musk has conned Trump into joining the AI cult, so on that issue Trump and the oligarchs see eye to eye, with the Russia’s useful idiot David Sacks appointed to push AI from within the White House.

Now consider how that mix of shared interests and powerful leverage plays out in Trump’s plan to extend fascist power.

We saw how it worked under Musk with Xitter: He bought the platform and then turned the public square into a forum that preferred not just right wing content (which was always true of social media platforms) but fascist content. All the while, Musk was conducting one of the largest ever disinformation campaigns targeting Kamala Harris on Meta. Trump has specifically threatened Google because pro-Trump content doesn’t drown out criticism, which is a danger when people increasingly get their content from YouTube rather than ABC.

That is, these same platforms can and have created gatekeepers between consumers and actual news products, gatekeepers that introduce their own antipolitical if not fascist bias. And Trump wants to magnify that effect.

That’s US focused content. But Musk tested his international reach last summer when he, personally, helped to gin up far right violence in the UK.

As today’s ruling against Meta shows, between privacy rules and content limits, the EU has better tools to combat the spread of fascism via US tech platforms, though they’re far from perfect. Importantly, Musk has treated British legal inquiries as a joke. And JD Vance has explicitly tied US national security policy, including NATO, to moderation policies.

The joint fascist/Russian project would like to break up the EU (or Orbanize it). Fascist parties are increasingly ascendant. And EU data sovereignty which limits hate and violent speech will be under increasing threat.

Especially here in Ireland. Ireland’s recent affluence is built on US tech investment. Indeed, the governing coalition bucked recent anti-incumbent trends in the recent general election thanks in part to taxes Apple was forced to pay, which the Irish government was reluctant to make it pay. Because Ireland is so beholden to those tech jobs, its regulation of US tech companies has only recently approached what the rest of the EU demanded. That gives the tech companies — and by extension, Trump — a special kind of leverage over Ireland. Ireland was already a weak point in European security, but the demands of tech companies could exacerbate that.

Meanwhile, it just so happens that the men bowing to Trump are the key participants in Section 702 spying, one of the most important competitive advantages the US empire has. And that, too, is a point of leverage with Europe. It has always been the case that an Empire’s intelligence projection is a benefit offered to those in its orbit. That’s why European leaders’ complaints about the Snowden disclosures were always muted: they relied on US intelligence to keep their countries safe. A number of recent disclosures about Russian influence operations and sabotage in Europe likely rely at least partly on US intelligence. But Trump has already been talking about cutting down intelligence sharing with Europe, something that would make it far harder to fend off Russian-backed fascist parties.

These oligarchs — every one of them, I’d bet — have long believed their companies supersede the sovereignty of mere nations. Before now, however, they lacked armies to enforce that claim. Trump has at least floated plans that might dramatically change how US tech companies become a kind of toxic platform projecting US power and propaganda.

Trump will continue to sue for defamation like he has always done. ABC caving doesn’t make that more or less likely. Trump will continue to seek other ways to bankrupt the legacy media.

But Trump’s relations with America’s tech giants have the potential to be an altogether new kind of threat, one far more ominous both within and outside the US.

And thus far, it appears the tech oligarchs are playing ball.

Update: Meanwhile, Will Lewis can’t convince any credible editor to work for him and Bezos.

The situation at the Washington Post is so dire that two candidates to run the paper — Cliff Levy of the New York Times and Meta’s Anne Kornblut, a former Post editor — both withdrew from consideration for the top newsroom job over the paper’s strategy, sources involved in the process say.

Why it matters: The Post is scrambling to find a new executive editor, the chair once held by Ben Bradlee, amid shrinking paid readership and revenue. Publisher and CEO Will Lewis, handpicked by owner Jeff Bezos to save the Post, hasn’t impressed the candidates with his vision for the future, the sources tell us.

One person involved in the search told us Lewis’ pitch was foggy and uninspiring.
Zoom in: Levy, who pulled out last week, and Kornblut, whose conversations ended in September, declined to comment. Other candidates include current interim executive editor Matt Murray. But it’s hard to imagine this monthslong process unfolding so publicly — only to end with the same guy in charge.

A few candidates were asked to write six-page memos — a hallmark of Amazon culture — about their journalistic vision for the paper, using AI and how to grow the Post’s audience.

40 replies
  1. Ron Ruma_16DEC2024_1506h says:

    You forgot to mention some of the other [br]oligarchs, referenced here: https://www.thenerdreich.com/how-thebroligarchs-plan-to-use-trump/

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    • earlofhuntingdon says:

      If you have something to add, please do. It’s generally counterproductive to tell posters or commenters what they should do. If you think it newsworthy to mention some group of oligarchs, for example, it’s helpful to say why, rather than to give a bare citation.

  2. Rugger_9 says:

    The pro quo is always as interesting as the quid, especially for Convict-1 because of his extremely transactional nature. I suspect in this case the pilgrimages were done to avoid interference in their respective businesses which will be very clear once the new WH gets going on prosecutions. It is also worth looking at who is backing characters such as Mr. Sun on the government level.

    It will also be interesting as the tariffs bite and the other economic s__t hits the fan how the courtier press will try to spin it. They can look to the RWNM consistently downplaying Biden’s achievements in the economy (the courtier press had been doing this already) but when the shocks hit with retaliations it will be much harder o bury the bad news, even Russia can’t hide the bare shelves. Will the courtier press report just how often Convict-1 promised to lower prices on everything, that tariffs don’t affect prices, etc.? I don’t see it happening unless the publisher overlords feel the pain themselves.

    Lastly, there remains the problem of cryptocurrency, which is already in widespread use as a money laundering and extortion tool. I’m not surprised the new WH wants to dabble in it, bit when another FTX or similar scandal crashes the cryptos, look for the GOP to scream that we need to cover the losses from the safety net.

    • gmokegmoke says:

      “Will the courtier press report just how often Convict-1 promised to lower prices on everything, that tariffs don’t affect prices, etc.?”

      I don’t remember hearing, seeing, reading anyone ask for Trmp’s tax returns during this election and I don’t expect the corporate media will hold him to account for anything this time around, unless the pain and suffering becomes overwhelming with too many people to ignore crying out for help.

    • misnomer bjet says:

      How is cryptocurrency already in widespread use specifically as an extortion tool, aside from as a money laundering tool facilitating that?

      • Rugger_9 says:

        It is set up between the secrecy and the already demonstrated lack of scruples (i.e. SBF) by the key players, which is why I mentioned it. Any idea on how much Convict-1 can hide in cryptocurrency for the grifting he’ll continue doing?

        However, consider just how big a hole would be blown in the Treasury by a crypto collapse. Remember these ‘investments’ are all vapor with no actual collateral. That means we the taxpayers would have to restore full faith and credit, and just like WI did when Walker became governor there (where a tax cut -> budget crisis -> Act 10, etc. to slash government programs), the crisis will be used to gut the safety net.

        • misnomer bjet says:

          That second sense is kind of abstract, not the legal definition, but always on my mind.

          Peter Baker & Mike Schmidt like to use the term “gratuitous,” but it’s not gratuitous if the point is to bleed the opponent out by ‘extorting’ a sort of self-immolating functionality. I think of a lot of these sort of moves as judo (or aikido); using the way the body works (& doesn’t work) and momentum of the opponent’s moves (of political opposition & potential/unconscious opposition) –especially knee-jerk reactions, to defeat them.

    • Rayne says:

      Rugger_9 — did you try to post a comment at the football/media criticism post? I see one in the bin but I can’t tell if you deleted it or if it was snagged by a filter.

      Let me know, thanks!

    • Rayne says:

      Don’t do this here. You know introduction of that topic will derail this thread. Save it for the next open thread.

      All replies to your comment will be removed as they are veering away from a necessary and essential discussion about monopolistic technology businesses and their founders’ sucking up to an overt fascist.

  3. Bruce Olsen says:

    “These oligarchs — every one of them, I’d bet — have long believed their companies supersede the sovereignty of mere nations.”

    That’s the essence of neoliberalism. After the economic wreckage of WWI, proto-neoliberals sought to separate the world of commerce from the world of politics, in order to minimize the damage to the rights (i.e., money) of businessmen if another conflict came. To this end were created institutions such as the WTO, brought into being by state action but largely outside state control.

    So they believe it because it’s true.

    There’s been a lot in the press about the end of neoliberalism since Biden was elected, but that’s nonsense: NL is contained largely in the institutions that it creates, not in the hands of the state. That was the entire point, and it’s delivered on its purpose of self-protection. So everything is ready for Trump to encourage turning the dials as far in Amazon et al’s favor as he can, perhaps ceding new controls to them.

    Personally, I believe this is also related to crypto. He could promise them a way to send funds around the world that is essentially anonymous, or perhaps a replacement for SWIFT that is sanction-proof—which would be a very neoliberal thing to do. And, of course, he’d bring it up for his own obvious purposes, which I’d suggest is his real motivating factor in potentially offering it as a carrot.

    PS. The US doesn’t practice any kind of “pure” neoliberalism (or such as may exist). NL thought completely rejects monopoly, for example, and further it prefers a strong state that provides good social benefits. There’s more to NL but that’s well OT.

    • earlofhuntingdon says:

      Whatever Neoliberalism you’re talking about, it hasn’t much in common with how its practiced in the US. NL here, for example, does not advocate for “a strong state that provides good social benefits.” It wants a malleable state the private sector can control, and wants to share as few resources and as little control as possible.

      “NL is contained largely in the institutions that it creates, not in the hands of the state.” Really? In practice, it functions by assuming the power of the state, but exercises it where possible through private sector hands, bypassing democratic, non-wealth-controlled hands. Your example is the WTO.

      The bidnessman’s fear after WWI was the export of Russian Communism, not the “world of politics” generally. The private sector, the Dulles brothers legal clients, for example, was very comfortable with European fascist states from the 1920s through the mid-1940s, until they lost. The WTO came to fruition two generations later. It was formed by states, but is controlled by the private sector, explicitly to bypass democratic control.

  4. RMD De Plume says:

    All the while,Musk was conducting one of the largest ever disinformation campaigns targeting Kamala Harris on Meta.

    Marcy, did you intend to write Zuckerberg?

    • RMD De Plume says:

      sorry….the link ran behind a paywall….and I couldn’t read it.

      It is of enormous consequence that Musk ran an ongoing, massive disinfo campaign against Harris from his own platform…..

  5. wetzel-rhymes-with says:

    I think a monopoly can become a threat to the government, because a monopoly obtains a kind of immortality like the government. It becomes part of “the state”, challenging the sovereignty of the central government. Ireland, Romania, France, etc. aren’t going to do anything about Twitter, Facebook or Apple, especially if they have Trump’s protection, because people value their own positions in an organization more than its mission, and everyone sees from Romania, Elon’s Tik-Tok Wurlitzer can be unleashed on any political party anywhere in the world. They can make any political figure into a scapegoat and then blame Tik-Tok afterwards. Control of social media plus use with political intention gives oligarchical tech magnates greater power than state information warfare programs, even Russia’s, I suppose.

    JD Vance made clear the sovereignty of our social media carries the full faith and credit of the United States military, so our cartel of tech companies becomes a state monopoly but over smaller nations. Where supreme authority resides is the government. Sovereignty is the concept of supreme authority or the right of a nation to govern itself through its political process and laws. Where is The Supreme Authority in this arrangement? In the United States, and all of this “obeying in advance”, trekking to Mar A Lago, but Elon knows Trump’s authority is both real and symbolic. Obéissance to Trump, obeying in advance, is how global monopoly cartel members are signaling formation with universal collusion.

  6. JAFO_NAL says:

    Other possible grift opportunities: let Amazon have USPS business (and expect favorable WaPo coverage), get Elon to drop or tweak SpaceX satellite coms in strategic locations (Russia/Ukraine war) in return for FAA launch approval expediting, remove DOT scrutiny of FSD implementation, slant moderation on X and Meta for campaign advantage, pressure media to reveal sources and remove umbrella legislation protecting journalists. IOW, what would a mob boss do?

    • gruntfuttock says:

      Who do we want controlling all those satellites up there? Elmo? The governments of the world?

      Elmo’s a genius/idiot. Lately, he’s mostly idiot. If he thinks there’s any realistic chance of getting humans off-planet to a viable alternative habitat any time soon, he’s delusional. Even if we can get humans to Mars, it’s got no atmosphere, the soil/dust is toxic, and the radiation would kill us. Mars is not our future.

  7. zscoreUSA says:

    Question about the Ball of Thread about Hunter’s pardon.

    Marcy says, “Smirnov, who in May [2020], starts saying… ‘I’m going to frame Joe Biden, I’m going to nail Joe Biden with claims of bribery’, which is again, what Trump had been looking for since the previous November [2019].”

    What is the the exact date and source demonstrating that Trump was looking for claims of Biden being bribed?

    This might seem like a minor detail, but I’m trying to track this narrative, where it started and who also said the same thing.

    Keeping in mind, that on the topic of Biden and Bribes and Ukraine, a more common narrative was that Biden bribed Poroshenko with the loan guarantees so that money can be funneled into the Biden family. Not that Biden received the bribe in exchange for protection.

    • emptywheel says:

      There’s your date. Least damningly, Smirnov was following impeachment closely and picked up that line.

      But the entire premise of the back channel was that bribe.

      • zscoreUSA says:

        Where’s the date? Do you have a link to Trump looking for a bribe? Or are you making an inference/generalization?

        In Ball of Thread, the supporting clip was Raskin talking.

        I’m following along with that being the point of the back channel.

        • emptywheel says:

          Bill Barr describes what Trump was arguing in his impeachment defense as a “counterinvestigation” into whether Biden was bribed. So it stems from Trump’s impeachment defense.

  8. Bruce Olsen says:

    To earl on December 16, 2024 at 8:22 pm

    “It was formed by states, but is controlled by the private sector, explicitly to bypass democratic control.”

    I don’t think that’s quite right. There was plenty of anti-fascist sentiment among the old-school NLs (though the problem of democracy was of concern). They eventually came to the conclusion they needed to move the sphere of commerce outside the sphere of the state, to ensure property rights and rule of law—irrespective of the form of the state. The WTO (and its predecessor GATT), the IMF, and the World Bank are all nominally run by states, but are business-focused (state policies, especially those favoring the US, are obviously promoted there but tend to support the needs of multinational corporations, not the citizenry). Those institutions (and others like it) are here to stay.

    I elided a lot of history; I’d recommend Quinn Slobodian’s 2018 book “Globalists: The End of Empire and the Birth of Neoliberalism” for a discussion of the rise of NL thinking in the aftermath of WWI. Though Communism was the main concern of US business after WWI, the early work that led to the WTO etc. was done in post-WWI Vienna, after the fall of the Habsburg Empire; US involvement at that time was minimal. Walter Lippmann was involved as early as 1938, through a European meeting bearing his name, but it wasn’t until 1947 that the work picked up in earnest, still housed in Europe.

    US involvement became serious when the Chicago school of economics began developing NL theory in the 1950s and before long they began, ummm, adapting it to fit the needs of US businesses, which really liked another main feature of NL philosophy—namely, the primacy of the market and the wonderful fairy tale that price signals ensure a societally optimal allocation of resources (cough, cough). That’s when they started cozying up to monopoly and dropping the idea that the state shouldn’t provide extensive welfare, preferring to place that responsibility onto individuals in the name of liberty (which is the foundation of the nonsense MAGA has been taught to believe). That part of the NL story is told in last year’s “The Big Myth: How American Business Taught Us to Loathe Government and Love the Free Market” by Naomi Oreskes and Henry Charles Lea. Reagan’s hosting of the TV show, “General Electric Theater” played a big role in this—it wasn’t just Hayek and Milton “as if” Friedman.

    NL ideas have been extended well beyond strictly business-related matters over the years, as they have attempted to make everything fit the Procrustean bed of “the market” but the works of historian Philip Mirowski are the only ones I know of that discuss these other areas very deeply. He assumes a lot of knowledge but his main ideas are nevertheless accessible. Most other writers I‘ve read worked too early in history to have the needed perspective. Michel Foucault, for example completely bungled what NL was about, confusing readers even today. David Harvey’s 2005 book mostly discusses the politics around its rise and implementation by Thatcher and Reagan, but wasn’t helpful for me to understand the philosophy; Slobodian was essential.

    • earlofhuntingdon says:

      If there’s room to nest a comment, that’s a better place for a reply.

      The NL arguments you summarize are internally inconsistent. Glaringly, moving the “sphere of commerce” outside the “sphere of the state,” is an impossibility. Markets exist because the state creates and protects them. It enforces its arrangements, which give them substance. NL, which is often code for a market’s biggest players, wants to control the power of the state — but only when it is shorn of democratic participation — to enforce its version of markets and its priorities for government. That conjoins public and private power, which I consider fascistic.

      So, we’ll have to agree to disagree. This site has been following Neoliberalism since well before Phillip Mirowski’s, Never Let a Serious Crisis Go To Waste in 2013. Naomi Klein’s Shock Doctrine, for example, preceded it by six years. It’s not its first rodeo.

      https://www.emptywheel.net/2011/08/02/shock-doctrine-international/
      https://www.emptywheel.net/2011/07/25/preserving-the-fabric-of-our-society-as-they-roll-out-the-shock-doctrine

      • Bruce Olsen says:

        I hope you didn’t pay for your copy of Klein’s book. Those tactics have likely been in use since before recorded history. That some political movements will turn to exploiting crises, or even causing them, is rather a banal conclusion. Trump and MAGA, being without empathy and devoid of shame, is the latest beneficiary of these ideas. Plus ça change…

        Mirowski didn’t spring into existence in 2013. “The Road from Mont Pèlerin: The Making of the Neoliberal Thought Collective” was published in 2009 and I prefer the context it provides—especially the linkage to neoclassical economics—that Klein didn’t attempt. That’s how I came to understand NL—through trying to understand the main schools of economic thought.

        NL has always been adapted to fit local conditions, and the US has, mainly through the Chicago school, seriously distorted what the early NLs believed (the need for a strong welfare state and for cross-border freedom of movement for labor probably chief among them). Viewed together, different national flavors are most certainly internally consistent, as you point out, but you’re shooting the messenger.

        Of course, in one sense it doesn’t matter what the early NLs believed but I find it useful to know just what was twisted by folks like Hayek, Friedman, Buchanan, Becker, and the rest—just as I feel it’s important to know something about the path Marcy, Rayne, Ed, and the rest have taken to get here. Context may not be everything, but it matters.

  9. GV-San-Ya says:

    My local NBC affiliate (KCRA in Sacramento) just ran the clip of Trump claiming he “won the youth vote by 34 points” and just let the statement sit there —WITHOUT noting what a blatant lie it is.

    Talk about obeisance! So maddening…
    (I immediately shot them an email.)

  10. atriana smith says:

    2 thoughts.

    1. Trump won’t do background checks. All you need is money & flattery. Seems pretty easy to get inside his bubble and do some counterintelligence. Might be hopeful thinking but *seriously* he’s wide open, isn’t he?

    2. Trump isn’t as smart nor as vigilante as any of the dictators he admires.

  11. misnomer bjet says:

    A Verge article (below) summarizes the EU DSA, which JD Vance alludes to in the Independent article Marcy supplied a link to, at “JD Vance has explicitly tied US national security policy, including NATO, to” the EU “not regulating” Musk & X, as the article put it; not merely “moderation,” as Marcy put it.

    There’s a lot more to it than one might be led to think by JD Vance’s lurid “cat memes,” and that particular poseur’s repeated emphasis on a double standard:

    “I’m not going to go to some backwoods country and tell them how to live their lives,” Vance added. “But European countries …” shall heel.

    Which brings offshore’ tax shelters to mind..

    The DSA went in to effect at the end of August. JD Vance’s diabolical “cat memes” incitements came 2-3 weeks later, repeated by Trump in the debate with Harris.

    One of the EU figures mentioned in the context of JD Vance’s comments on this, is Internal market EU Commissioner Thierry Breton; who was subsequently replaced by Stéphane Séjourné. The second link below is an FT article on his positions, out of the gate two weeks ago. That one is paywalled, but this issue should still be in bookstores.

    EU Digital Services Act Explained
    https://www.theverge.com/23845672/eu-digital-services-act-explained

    EU commissioner pitches ‘Europe first’ in response to Donald Trump”.
    https://www.ft.com/content/f11247e5-9594-4134-9b79-e008aa4429c6

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