Could This Week’s Developments Change the Race?

As you know, Nicole Sandler and I do a wrap up of the week every Friday. We tape at 12PM ET, 5PM my time, and 9AM Nicole’s time (through daylight savings). It may show, but I usually walk into those recordings with no sense of what happened in the previous week. These weeks have all been so momentous for so long they’ve each felt like a year running into the next one.

This week, though, I think it important to assess the week as a whole, because I think it’s possible that events of the week will have a substantive change on the results of the election. No promises. But it is possible.

Start with the baseline: The race is statistically tied in all seven swing states. The race is close to tied nationally. If nothing happens, the race will be determined by two things: first, which side can get more of its voters to the polls, and second, how much Trump’s expected fuckery can thwart the actual vote from being counted.

At this stage, all we know is that people are voting — Jimmy Carter, a record number of early votes in Georgia, and even people from the hardest hit areas of North Carolina stood in line and voted in strong numbers yesterday. There are promising signs of greater than historic early vote from women (though Trump’s men could come in late). Nevada’s Clark County has still not posted the bulk of votes there, so it’s too early to tell if the Republican narrowing of registration in Las Vegas can swing the election. Early turnout in Arizona has been 44% Republican as compared to 33% Democratic, but the abortion referendum may affect how even Republicans vote.

It’s just too early to tell, yet.

As for fuckery? In Georgia, at least, there’s been some pushback against efforts to disrupt certification, including (again) from Republicans. NBC has done an update of how Trump deliberately stoked tensions at the TCF counting center in Detroit, and how Trump is training vote observers to do so again. Most counties in Michigan, however, will count early votes ahead of time. Meanwhile, Republicans — and one gambler who might be a certain South African billionaire — are using voting markets to create the illusion that Trump is winning, which will stoke distrust if that turns out to be fake, the same way shoddy GOP polls did in 2020.

It’s a tied game, and Trump has tried to systematize the ways he attempted to cheat in 2020.

Before we turn to whether events of the weeks might change that deadlock, consider why it’s tied.

It’s tied because 35 to 40% of likely voters are cult-like followers of Donald Trump. Those people live in a hermetically sealed world of his propaganda. Short of cognitive collapse, none of those people will abandon their Donald (though a surprising number of them are not voters).

It’s tied because 8 to 13% of voters believe a number of things that credit Trump with more success than he had and taint Kamala Harris with things she didn’t do. They blame Biden for global post-COVID inflation. For some justifiable and some unjustifiable reasons, they believe the economy is in worse shape than it is. They often forget how poorly Trump handled COVID. They may not know of Trump’s epic corruption. Because of a number of changes in the media, they don’t regularly access credible descriptions of the truth. Many of these people recognize that Trump is a horrible person, but because they credit him with successes he didn’t earn, they’re willing to vote for him anyway.

A significant chunk of these people can be motivated by the grievance politics that dominates the Trump cult — that’s why this year’s election will significantly pivot on education levels. Trump’s grievance politics are significantly based on his false claims to have been unfairly persecuted and his false claims never to have persecuted others. (This dynamic is a big part of what I’ve been trying to explain in the Ball of Thread podcast I’ve been doing with LOLGOP.)

In short, the reason the US is a knife’s edge away from electing a fascist is significantly a media problem, both the existence of the hermetically sealed world of Trump propaganda and the collapse and/or abdication of credible media for other reasons. The people who would make this election a blowout loss for Trump are often not accessing truthful information.

I read an anecdote on Bluesky that exemplifies this: Someone chatting about voting with two guys who planned to vote for Trump who believed that all of his criminal cases had been dismissed and who had no idea that Trump has been exhibiting signs of mental instability. It’s a media thing. Given that virtually no media outlets correct Trump’s false claims about his criminal exposure, you can’t expect voters to know better. And thus far, the press has sane-washed Trump’s recent decline.

Three things happened this week that may chip away at this dynamic for key voting blocks. Those are:

  • Trump’s meltdown in Oaks, PA, followed by a series of canceled events and poor showings
    • October 7: Trump cancels 60 Minutes interview, leaving Kamala Harris a solo opportunity
    • October 14: Trump sways to music for 39 minutes in Oaks, PA after giving word salad answers to the questions he did take
    • October 15: Bloomberg editor John Micklethwait savages Trump’s economic plans; Trump cancels Squawkbox appearance
    • October 16: Trump misses a few answers in a fluffed up Fox News town hall for women then really blows the Univision town hall
    • October 17: Trump pulls out of an October 22 NRA event in Savannah; Trump “postpones” October 21 NBC. interview
  • Cracks in the curtain of disinformation pulled across Trump’s failures
    • October 10: Harris appears at Univision town hall.
    • October 15: Coverage of Harris’ Charlamagne the God appearance focuses on the label, “fascism”
    • October 16: In Fox interview, Kamala Harris calls out doctored clip of Trump attacking “enemies within” and makes reference to Mark Milley’s attacks on Trump (though without using the word “fascist;” she also references all the Republicans, including former Trump aides, who’ve just appeared with her in Washington Crossing
    • October 17: CNN exposes the editing Fox News did of the women’s town hall and Bret Baier confesses they didn’t show the “enemy within” clip (but takes the blame himself)
  • The likely release, today, of the appendices behind Jack Smith’s immunity brief

To show why I think these developments might matter, I want to go back to Ramiro González, the man at the Univision town hall who asked Trump about January 6. As this person on Xitter noted, González actually asked a question at both Univision town halls. He asked Harris (mostly in Spanish, curiously enough) about rumors that the Biden administration wasn’t serving Republicans in FEMA relief.

In Harris’s response, she first asked if his family was okay. Then she addressed the disinformation about FEMA recovery. She told her story about never asking, as a prosecutor, whether witnesses and victims were a Republican or a Democrat, but instead whether they were okay. “We have seen where … people are playing political games,” she described Trump’s deliberate attempt to suggest that the Biden administration was playing politics. “You have a right to you know that your government and its leaders are putting you first, and not themselves.”

In the same appearance, Harris answered a question about whether she had been installed undemocratically, by describing Trump’s attack on rule of law. She listed the Republicans who were supporting her (including Alberto Gonzales, who is, whatever else you think of him and trust me I do, one of the biggest success stories for a child of migrants in US history), and described the mob on January 6. She stated that January 6 was one reason why Republicans were supporting her.

Those answers were on October 10. Less than a week later, González was back, noting explicitly that he had been a registered Republican, but was no longer registered as such. González pitched his question as a chance for Trump to earn back his vote. I think González sincerely wanted Trump to do so. González asked about January 6, about COVID response, about Pence not supporting him anymore.

Yes, this response was riddled with lies. But even basic ones, like his claim that “we” didn’t have guns, are going unchallenged even when journalists claim to fact check these claims. Still, Trump also didn’t answer the question, and that matters. He was asked about his inaction on January 6, not why people came to DC. He spoke instead about how many people wanted to hear him speak.

Importantly, it’s not just González who seemed to find this answer ridiculous. As the camera panned, several women sat with their arms folded; one looked shocked when Trump claimed no one was killed.

What I think we can see in these two appearances was what happens when Harris has a chance to break through the disinformation that Trump has been spreading. González and Mario Sigbaum, the guy who asked whether she had been installed undemocratically, came in to the Harris town hall believing bullshit that Trump had fed them. The Biden administration was withholding relief from Republicans. Harris had pushed Biden aside and gotten herself installed undemocratically. I have no idea whether her response worked for Sigbaum, but in answering Sigbaum, Harris said things that González would raise a week later with Trump, including that his former people were no longer supporting him.

This is the task before Kamala Harris, as more low-information voters head to the polls. She has to find a way to crack through the wave of disinformation that Trump has spread. These two clips show, I think, that when she has a chance to do that, either what she says or the references she makes or the empathy and leadership she models can be successful in persuading people not just that she’ll put their interests first, but that they’ve been lied to.

To be fair, they’re still getting lied to on social media. This week, for example, Christopher Rufo has been trying to seed claims that Kamala Harris plagiarized her book by cutting and pasting from a press release that the book cited. Many in the traditional press are still not telling the truth about Donald Trump — not about the guns his supporters brought to the Capitol, not about his obvious meltdowns, not about his criminal exposure.

But Trump’s public meltdown and his string of cancellations has finally titillated the chattering class whose claim that Harris couldn’t handle a tough interview was soundly debunked in the Bret Baier interview. Trump’s own fitness has become an issue again, eight years after the press got bored with that story so instead turned to Hillary’s emails.

And it has become clear, in the last week, that Harris’ events with Republicans have started to serve an additional purpose, in addition to giving Republicans permission to support her (though to be clear: González is the kind of self-identified Republican for whom that permission may be important). Those events, and Harris’ discussion of them, are a way to describe how many Trump Administration veterans, how many Republicans, have found him to be unfit.

Have found him to be a fascist.

They offer a credible way to make Trump’s unfitness a story. It’s the kind of story that may have helped to persuade González.

Again, I make no promises this will work. If it doesn’t, we’re looking at turnout and knowledge that Trump’s planning fuckery, even if we only know the half of what he plans.

But events of the last week may finally have stripped some of the curtain of lies that Trump hides behind.

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  1. dannyboy says:

    Just an anecdote to share here. I’m at the bar yesterday talking with the bartender, and the topic of the election comes up. He’s of Mexican descent and notes that Mexico recently elected its first female president. Then he goes on to say that women stopped letting men boss them around (I “translate” that to the US, where women ARE increasingly independent). He figures that having women as heads of state will lead to them all getting together to set things on a better course. Could happen.

    I was drinking as part of my Election Celebration (I tend to look at the bright side, but am sure of it). Can never start too early.

  2. Ebenezer Scrooge says:

    I only wish. But as Karl Rove said: “Politics is TV with the sound turned off.” Even regular voters usually pay very little attention to what’s going on. Since there is no consensus reality any more, they can’t even pick up things by osmosis. I have no idea who is going to win in November, but–barring the usual dead girl or live boy–I can’t see anything new getting into the voters’ heads.

    • Frank Wilhoit says:

      Every time I see that quote from Rove, I think about Oliver Sacks’s anecdote about the patients at a psychiatric hospital watching Reagan on TV, with the sound off, and laughing dismissively. Then I think that Rove should have chosen a better analogy; then I realize that what he said is nonsense, even on its own terms.

      • thepinsk says:

        Rove is a nonsense innovator if not a pioneer, and has proven adept in exemplifying bullshit, not whether he knows the truth of what he says but moreso doesn’t care.

    • dannyboy says:

      Ebenezer Scrooge,

      You are right, it could be wishful thinking, but I am usually (but not always) pretty cognizant of my propensity for wishing away potential disaster, and adjust for it.

      I cite my barkeep, because I give great credit to people situated in the information flow, but invisible. I figure he listens quietly.

      But my conclusion does not rest solely on this one observation. The Leading Indicators (shout out to my dear alma mater) include observations in the neighborhood. In 2016 and again in 2019 some here were already packing up and leaving. Both times, folks were hitting the ATMs. None of that now.

      While I know this is small comfort given the enormity of the outcome risks, Marcy’s analysis points to positive outcomes, and my daily observations confirm. The women’s vote (there are tables lining Broadway with convinging women) is #1. While I know that things are different in the woods and Silicon Valley, where they view things differently than here, many of the locals here make their living in the predictive business, so there’s that.

  3. David F. Snyder says:

    I have trouble believing the statistically tied assessment (though I think it’s wise that Harris continues to paint herself as the underdog) given that there are structural problems with quite a few polls (random sampling is hard; questions couched with inherent bias etc.) as well as some hacking (Russia, China, Iran et al.)

    Another thing about low-information voters is that they tend to want to stay with the current party of the White House dependent on factors mapped out by Lichtman and Kellis-Borok. They won’t listen to the false reports about how the economy is awful, they will walk into the booth and vote based on how full their belly is (so to speak). That definitely pulls in Harris’ favor.

    Plus this week (as noted) Harris showed the strength/power that voters want in their PotUS and Trump is looking weak.

    So I think there are elements in place that the glass is more than half full (even before this past week’s events).

    I’m not ignorant. I get to see too frequently how grass roots volunteers have been misinformed or understate the severity of the mis/disinformation out there. And Dems still suck at messaging. But Harris has got this, she’s doing an amazing job given how short her campaign had to be!

      • David F. Snyder says:

        “The only thing I know is that everything you know is wrong.”
        —Firesign Theater
        Brilliant comedic parody of conspiracists’ mindsets, from 1974: www. youtube. com/watch?v=YKZtt2yEwfs

  4. Edie Ellis says:

    It isn’t just turnout, which does favor the Ds because of a superior GOTV operation. It’s also POC coming home to Ds, young people with no voting record, Dobbs women and men, and really a massive GOP crossover to Harris. This won’t be evident in polling or if it is, not until November 5.

    • Error Prone says:

      I would add, the Michigan Palestinian bloc caving in for Harris, since they see Mariam Adelson’s money on Trump’s side and likely are informed enough to see a threat of Trump pushing annexation of occupied territories as a quid pro quo. They seem activist enough to not be stupid about their choice.

      • Bohemienne says:

        I want to believe this is true, but I keep seeing articles about non-endorsements and about (not necessarily themselves Muslim) activists for Palestine choosing to vote for Trump or refrain from voting to send Democrats a “message.”

        Mind you, I find this to be the height of stupidity, selfishness, and spite. If your aim is to improve conditions for people living in Gaza, then 4+ years of Trump/GOP leadership will fail to serve that aim at every possible level. Especially in swing states, choosing not to vote for Harris is effectively choosing to subject the people in Palestine to that. On top of everything horrible another Trump administration will do to: Muslims living in America; all other non-Christian and/or immigrant communities living in America; the people of Ukraine, Taiwan, and much more; pretty much every vulnerable community in America, including anyone facing reproductive rights issues and LGBTQ children and adults. If Trump wins, I will directly attribute these groups’ suffering to the selfish and self-serving actions of everyone who refrained from voting Harris in order to “send a message.”

        • Eichhörnchen says:

          A protest vote for Trump on this issue likely sends a message to Trump as well: we’d rather risk brutal put-down of our protests and (if Trump has his way) deportation rather than vote for the people whose priorities are closest to, but do not perfectly align with ours.

        • Rayne says:

          A protest vote for Trump won’t send a signal to Trump. It sends a signal to those who’ve manipulated Trump voters — mostly white cis-het men — that they’ve succeeded with their investments in influence operations.

          It sends a message to Trump campaign sponsors that they will get their wish to sow havoc in the US. Sponsors like tech billionaires who don’t want to be accountable, foreign adversaries who don’t want the US to change its economy to renewables, and don’t want the US to fund resistance to their land grabs.

          And it will confirm to the Team Trump people who are planning on rolling out Project 2025 on Inauguration Day that Trump didn’t go far enough fast enough the first Friday of his term in January 2017 when he ordered the Muslim Ban.

          I can’t fucking believe how many people have forgotten that ban, including people affected by it.

        • Tech Support says:

          I don’t think we’ll really know until after the election, but I could certainly envision a split between the terminally online influencer set and the broader community. The far left and far right both have a long history of attacking their own moderates more than the opposition, the difference being that I’ve never seen the far left get any traction from it during actual elections.

        • Fred Fnord says:

          You should maybe bear in mind that a lot of the drivers of this stuff are being paid directly by Russia, and (I have no knowledge to indicate this but would tend to assume) probably by Israel too.

        • Rayne says:

          Reply to Fred Fnord
          October 18, 2024 at 4:52 pm

          There are multiple countries engaged in online influence operations, not just Russia. For example:

          China https://www.graphika.com/reports/the-americans

          Iran https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/us-warns-of-iranian-hackers-escalating-influence-operations/

          Pakistan https://www.cmu.edu/ideas-social-cybersecurity/news1/blog-posts/blog-sudhakar-pakistani-influence.html

          If you have a link to a report on Israeli-based influence ops, share it.

          If you have evidence of foreign interference in the election, report it. https://www.state.gov/rewards-for-justice-reward-offer-for-information-on-foreign-interference-in-u-s-elections/

  5. Ed Walker says:

    Parker Molloy has a piece in Substack noting that both the WaPo and the NYT have run pieces with extended quotes from transcripts of Trump’s crazy answer to a question at the Fox town hall, asking how he’d reduce grocery prices. https://open.substack.com/pub/readtpa/p/letting-trumps-words-speak-for-themselves?r=52hi3

    It’s shocking how disjointed his sentences and sentence fragments are. Of course there isn’t a cogent answer, but there isn’t even a connection to the question. It feels like he says a few words, one or two of them tickle another set of words, and so on until he runs out of words or just gets bored.

    • Barringer says:

      He calls his evasive answering style “the weave” and brags about it. I hope enough voters have grown tired of his schtick.

    • JTwirling says:

      Exactly… He’s like an LLM trained on only third-grade english and BS. He tries to create the answer you want to hear one word at a time with nothing to tether him to reality or logic. Just a random walk through his remaining synapses.

    • Elise_18OCT2024_1152h says:

      His answers are like that because he has dementia. My mother has dementia and she speaks in the same manner. There are topics she’s obsessed about and she just repeats the same few sentences over and over and then there are these disjointed trails that move off topic. I’ve watched her deteriorate for years. He is on the same trajectory and she is only slightly ahead of him. There’s a reason he’s cancelling more events as time goes by.

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    • CoffaeBreak says:

      When during the Univision Town Hall Trump was asked about what he thought of Melania’s response favoring abortion rights. Since he had no idea of what answer would benefit him more (in this audience,) he waffled back and forth so much, no one had no idea of where he stood. People in favor of abortion rights would not be swayed by his (lack of) stance, nor would those against abortion rights — a stance that he previously gained much from — feel vindicated in voting for him. He is a mess.

    • coral reef says:

      It’s pure stream of consciousness, coming from an ignorant 78-year-old narcissist. Can’t believe people are stupid or racist enough to vote for someone who talks about what a beautiful body he has while answering a question about the economy.

  6. Sloth Sloman says:

    “one looked shocked when Trump claimed no one was killed.”

    It wasn’t just that he said no one was killed. It was the sentence that immediately preceded that one that broke that woman’s brain: “Ashli Babbitt was killed… no one was killed.”

    He remembered her and erased her in 5 seconds.

      • Victoria Love says:

        But most importantly, remember during the debate, he said, “Nobody on the OTHER SIDE was killed. Ashli Babbitt was killed by an out of control police officer…”

        • harpie says:

          Yes. TRUMP’s “we” aligns him with His RABBLE and
          TRUMP’s “they” sets him against the Law Enforcement.

  7. Error Prone says:

    With the headline as is, my guess, no. EW regulars likely followed some of the things Marcy mentioned, not all, and they are enthusiastic followers of what info they can find or read of here. The general public? No. The Harris FOX thing reached unlikely Dem voters, but she may have turned some people. That may have the most impact of things Marcy listed. The “I’m the candidate, respect that, let me answer” approach worked.

    • KayInMD says:

      I think you might be surprised at the number of USians who view Univision as a primary news source, and will be as influenced by this town hall as any on CNN or Fox; maybe more. This forum is a way to reach citizens who don’t have as many outlets with direct access to the candidate in their language, so this may be one of the first times they will have heard directly from her. She did a great job, as she does in the town hall-type setting. It has a potential to have a tremendous impact, especially in contrast to Trump’s performance.

  8. Error Prone says:

    What I think is inadequately understood, Trump seems so decrepit that if he wins, four years from now Vance will be running as incumbent. Seeing it that way should favor Harris.

    • john paul jones says:

      For my money that’s exactly why Vance jumped on board, with Thiel’s backing, apparently. If elected, Trump will not last four years, which puts Thiel and Musk (Vance too, of course) in charge of the Executive Branch. Hard to believe the apartheid refugees could be running the country in a couple of years. I hope to god it doesn’t come to that.

        • Spencer Dawkins says:

          That is where section 4 of the 25th Amendment kicks off. Vance would also need a majority of the executive agency heads – but what if none of them have been seated when Vance challenges Trump’s fitness?

          Good times, huh?

        • dannyboy says:

          But isn’t the whole purpose of Project 2025 to get all fascists seated right away to get FASCISM kicked off right outta’ the gate?

          Surprise!!!

        • RipNoLonger says:

          I’m sure Donald’s best friend in the Kremlin will take care of helping him off this mortal coil. I feel for Donald – with friends like these, who needs enemies?

  9. HikaakiH says:

    We tape at 12PM ET, 5PM my time, and 9AM Nicole’s time …
    I’m here to be the pedant who insists that 12AM is fine for midnight but there is no such thing as 12PM. Meridiem is Latin for midday. Midnight starts a day and is before noon, but midday cannot be after itself. 12PM is an abomination created by digital clocks.
    PS I’m more optimistic than EW on the votes that are going to be cast, but the real fight will start late in the evening of November 5th – lawfare and whatever Trump’s mobs have planned.

    • ExRacerX says:

      “…there is no such thing as 12PM.”

      Try telling that to my “out-of-office” email message widget. ;P

    • 0Alexander Platt0 says:

      If we’re going to insist on renaming times, the hill I’m dying on is abolishing 12 altogether in favor of hour 0. It will not stand that 12:05 AM is part of the same day as the 1:10 that will come after but not the 11:58 that just preceded it.

      [Moderator’s note: Let this comment be the end of this line of off-topic discussion. /~Rayne]

  10. Error Prone says:

    From all the trashing of NYT and WaPo here, do many people believe that last minute newspaper endorsements matter? If they ever did, do they now? The outlets act as if they feel their endorsements will tip the balance. Will It?

    • Bohemienne says:

      FWIW, NYT has already endorsed Harris, and did so I believe right before early voting. But for all they try to win over conservatives with their columnists like Ross Douthat and David French, I cannot fathom anyone being surprised or swayed by that endorsement.

      • earlofhuntingdon says:

        Yes, the NYT concedes Harris would be a better president in an editorial, but uses much of its OpEd page and reporting to argue the opposite.

  11. Harry Eagar says:

    I ran down a strange rabbit hole this morning. I noticed that Fox and Newsmax were both touting trump’s performance at the Smith dinner, pumping him as the funniest president ever. So, with half an hour to kill, I watched his whole speech.

    He bombed badly; even admitted three times that a line had just failed to land.

    Yet Fox and Newsmax just continued to spend many minutes on his triumphal speech.

    It seems to me that the cynical supporters of trump have internalized that he is ruining his campaign and have decided they will have to carry him across the finish line. Can they do it? No clue. In the bad old days, centrists sometimes won the presidency despite the near uniform opposition of the newspapers. But newspapers lack the intimacy of radio or teevee.

    • RitaRita says:

      I also just watched his speech. First thing I noted was that he read much of the speech with some ad libs. For the most part, he was coherent, but affectless. When he veered from the prepared remarks he became less so. The speech was largely mean-spirited and grievance oriented. The nasty political jibes were met with polite laughter from many and applause from some, who I assume (hope) are his retinue.

        • Harry Eagar says:

          Nope. The guys behind him showed all the facial changes of an Easter Island statue. There was a claque of applauders — presumably one-issue abortion voters — but the crowd, though you could not see it, was clearly uneasy.

          I expect that when the people were released they headed straight for the saloons; and that there were many screaming fights last night between husbands and wives.

          It was so awful that, except for the power of tradition and the interest in soaking rich Catholics, there would never be another.

        • dannyboy says:

          Harry, Now YOU should be a reporter!

          This report is “rich”:

          “Trump, at Al Smith Dinner, sympathizes with NYC Mayor Adams over ‘persecution’ amid indictment”

          Chuck Schumer looks awfully angry…

          https://www.nydailynews.com/2024/10/17/trump-at-al-smith-dinner-sympathizes-with-nyc-mayor-adams-over-persecution-amid-indictment

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      • neetanddave says:

        the bit about the stupid,babbling, etc person in the WH now being Kamala? he was all the things he mentioned and more…. he sounded like he was talking about himself.

    • Konny_2022 says:

      Last night, Lawrence O’Donnell quoted at length from the National Cathalic Reporter, “Editorial: Cardinal Dolan’s ‘Al Smith dinner’ disappointment is misdirected.” It appeared already on Oct. 7 (as I found out only now), and commented on Dolan’s reaction to Harris’s decline to appear in person.

      Yes, the Al Smith dinner was once a place where, even amid the sharp-elbow politics of a presidential campaign, normal humans could sit with each other, share a meal and some levity and walk away with dignity and reputation intact. Trump changed all that. And it is absurd at this point to act otherwise.

      […]

      We are triply disappointed, Cardinal Dolan, that in the name of the church and its witness to the wider culture, you did not suspend the norm this year and invite someone worthy of the event's cause. We are disappointed you didn't have the courage to stand up to Trump, a looming threat to the democratic ideals that allow the church to host such a high-profile public gathering.

      Link to O’Donnell: https://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/lawrence-trump-links-himself-directly-to-jan-6-rioters-and-calls-capitol-police-the-others-222060101596

      Link to the NCR Editorial: https://www.ncronline.org/opinion/editorial/editorial-cardinal-dolans-al-smith-dinner-disappointment-misdirected

      (I assume both URLs are ok as they are. If not, I apologize in acvance.)

      • RitaRita says:

        I wonder what Cardinal Dolan’s reaction to Trump’s anecdote about Cardinal Dolan calling Trump up during the Pandemic asking for help for Catholic schools and Trump giving him billions of taxpayer dollars in 15 minutes.

        Trump is so transparent: “I” gave you all this money, you had better like me.”.

        As an antidote to all of the unpleasantness, I recommend watching the Ethel Kennedy Memorial Service with Clinton, Obama, Biden, and Pelosi as speakers but also Martin Luther King III and members of the Imokalee Farmworkers coalition.

  12. VinnieGambone says:

    The guns !
    The rapid response teams.

    The thousands who refused to go through the Mags because they were armed.

    The secret service transmissions
    reporting people in trees who had AR 15’S.

    Seems like one could make an interesting commercial from the records relating to gun play on Jan 6.

  13. Harry Eagar says:

    I’d like to learn more about possible manipulation of prediction markets. It sure looks plausible.

    Thomas Miller at Virtual tout says” “Prediction markets and forecasts that rely on prediction markets have been highly volatile in October, showing an election that could move in either direction during the final days of the race to the White House.”

    That’s a vast understatement.

    • Bohemienne says:

      I’m not sure quite when it happened, but I think predictions markets have effectively shifted from “prediction” to “wishful thinking of Musk-Thiel-Trump cryptobros”.

      • Peterr says:

        Or folks in Trumpworld (Musk? Thiel? Others?) have been strategically placing bets on Trump, to boost Trump’s apparent likelihood of winning.

        If this could be proven, it could amount to a possible illegal campaign contribution.

        • Peterr says:

          Well, well, well.

          A headline and subhead from the WSJ:

          A Mystery $30 Million Wave of Pro-Trump Bets Has Moved a Popular Prediction Market

          Four Polymarket accounts have systematically placed frequent wagers on a Trump election victory.

          Don’t have a WSJ account to read the full story, but the headline seems to validate what I suspected.

        • Peterr says:

          From Reuters:

          Four accounts on crypto-based prediction market Polymarket that placed large bets on former President Donald Trump winning the 2024 election, and have been the subject of much online speculation, are owned by non-Americans or a non-American, according to a source familiar with the matter on Friday.

          [snip]

          The trade was driven by four accounts that placed more than $30 million worth of bets, according to the source, confirming an earlier story in the Wall Street Journal.

          Political pundits and social media users have questioned whether specific high-profile Americans could be behind the moves.

          But Polymarket does not allow Americans to make U.S. election bets on the exchange, and the source confirmed that Polymarket’s users are international. The source said the company certifies all of its large traders to ensure they are not logging in via VPNs to obscure which country they are in.

        • Rayne says:

          So a form of foreign interference in this election which is difficult to regulate.

          They’re probably behind propping up of DJT stock as well for similar reasons.

      • SotekPrime says:

        Prediction markets were never good predictors. They’re just not big enough – it’s too cheap to manipulate them, and they aren’t large enough to actually aggregate the wisdom of crowds, as opposed to a few devotees.

        The concept is fine and all, but the practice just falls short.

        • dannyboy says:

          Market Manipulation is a real art, honed over decades by its practitioners.

          Passed on by word only.

          These fools are obvious.

    • Tech Support says:

      I’d like to learn more about possible manipulation of prediction markets. It sure looks plausible.

      What does manipulating prediction markets do for anybody? Seems like shouting in the echo chamber. Either there’s some other motivation at work (I’ve seen money laundering floated), or else this is the brilliant idea of someone who enjoys smelling their own farts.

      • Rayne says:

        When a race is within MOE, every percentage of voters matters. Gaming prediction markets generates buzz which can influence voters who are on the fence and may not bother to turn out if they have been persuaded their favored candidate is likely to lose.

        I doubt Peter Thiel would invest in a prediction market like Polymarket, for which Nate Silver now works, if he couldn’t be sure it’d work in his favor for more than the income from betting. Perhaps you need to think about this more deeply; it’s a problem on the left that we lack adequate imagination to see criminal behavior before we are damaged.

        Kind of like failing to see how golf course resorts can be used to launder money.

        • dannyboy says:

          I see everything as money laundering.

          Until proven otherwise.

          Had to straighten out one of the largest ML operations in history (up until that point).

          Made me very unpopular because everyone’s bonus compensation collapsed.

          People just makin’ their living the easy way.

        • HikaakiH says:

          The better Trump’s implied probability of winning based on betting odds, the more plausible his claims of ‘election fraud/theft’ which will start late Nov.5 or early Nov.6.
          Yes, it doesn’t stand up to close analysis that looks at where the money has come from, but that won’t happen until its purpose is served, which it is to create plausibility for Trump’s BS claims which can make for hesitancy amongst those who might have to stand in Trump’s way. For example, if another mob is thrown at Congress on Jan.6’25 what thoughts will be running through the heads of Nat.Guards on the perimeter? (I’m assuming there will be NG there instead of just DC and Capitol police like last time.) How much help will Trump get from Republicans in the House and Senate this time around? Will Trump’s lawfare around the country land in front of sympathetic judges?
          Yeah, I have more confidence in Harris winning the necessary votes to become President-elect that I do in what comes after Nov.5.

      • Harry Eagar says:

        I have since found a Business Insider story (referencing a WSJ report) about a $30 mil whale influencing the crypto-based Polymarket. Someone called it cheap advertising.

        Attempting to build up a theme of implacable momentum.

        Nothing proven yet but I can imagine that at this point someone with money might have decided that more teevee ads are hardly worth it (even if available).

  14. Fiendish Thingy says:

    Excellent summation of the state of the race and the past week filled with October surprises.

    I sure hope you get a peek at Jack Smith’s 1500 page appendix before you tape with Nicole today!

  15. 2Cats2Furious says:

    Thanks for this excellent analysis, as always.

    For those low-information voters out there – and there are quite a few – I honestly wish they would at least watch the monologues of late-night comedians like Stephen Colbert, Jimmy Kimmel, Seth Meyers, and hosts of The Daily Show. They’ve been doing an excellent job of covering Trump’s obvious mental decline by showing clips from his events and his written posts, while also demonstrating that Kamala Harris is more than capable of doing the job. I no longer have cable, but I at least watch the monologues on YouTube the next morning.

    I’m hopeful that Trump’s Unavision town hall will have some impact. Both Colbert and Kimmel covered it with actual clips of Trump giving nonsensical non-answers, and the crowd’s extremely skeptical reactions. The folks in the crowd asked really excellent questions; better than most so-called journalists. It’s an important but not monolithic voting bloc, so the more attention it gets, the better for Harris.

    • BRUCE F COLE says:

      Here’s a good example from Kimmel and Dave Bautista:
      https://youtu.be/f1LMC9sPVWY ?si=7zg5YTLFPD7k3MIu
      (Rayne: not sure if taking out the code after the “?” will disable the video, so I left it in. Pls remove it if not. TY)

      [FYI – only need everything before the question mark. I’ve added a space to demonstrate. The rest is tracking. /~Rayne]

    • JanAnderson says:

      Who are you hoping to convince? Roughly slightly less than half of eligible voters are more than happy to hand over the government to fascists.
      They aren’t stupid, it’s what they want.
      Get busy winning the other 60+

    • JAFO_NAL says:

      Mark Sumner at dailykos agrees with you about the quality of the questions from the Univision audience in comparison to those of most main stream journalists:

      “But thankfully, not everyone is so cowed as the people who are supposed to be informing the nation. Trump ran into a few forthright souls on Wednesday night at a Univision town hall with Hispanic voters. Those voters did what the media seems terrified to do: Confront Trump with direct, serious, questions.”

      https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/10/19/2277888/-On-Univision-ordinary-citizens-stepped-in-for-cowardly-journalists?

  16. harpie says:

    ew: Because of a number of changes in the media, they don’t regularly access credible descriptions of the truth.

    Does anyone else remember Biden telling reporters [maybe it was at a WH press conference in the summer], that they “should talk [or maybe “write”] about it”…whatever they were asking him about?

    I am trying to find that, and it’s driving me absolutely nuts.

    • harpie says:

      Just found it: It was part of Marcy’s post here:
      Boiled Frog Journalism: Is Trump an Agent of Saudi Arabia, and Other Pressing Questions Buried under Biden’s Age
      https://www.emptywheel.net/2024/07/17/boiled-frog-journalism-is-trump-an-agent-of-saudi-arabia-and-other-pressing-questions-buried-under-bidens-age/

      […] Journalists are making much of a confrontation between Jason Crow and Biden, related by Julia Ioffe, in which Biden insisted he had been great on foreign policy. […]

      […] “It’s not breaking through, Mr. President,” said Crow, “to our voters.”

      “You oughta talk about it!” Biden shot back, listing his accomplishments yet again. “On national security, nobody has been a better president than I’ve been. Name me one. Name me one! So I don’t want to hear that crap!” […]

      • harpie says:

        Not a journalist…a Democratic Rep. Jason Crow…

        As I said at the time:
        Exactly! What do these Dems think? This is just going to fall into our laps?!?! FFS.

        HARRIS is happily NOT one of “these Dems” :-)

        Phew…now I can get back to the rest of my day! lol.

        • dannyboy says:

          “Exactly! What do these Dems think? This is just going to fall into our laps?!?! FFS.”

          Exactly, exactly, exactly Right About This!

          It’s the last round of a 12-round match, with each round having lasted a year, and suddenly the dems decide to fight.

          They’s win, despite their reluctance to punch it out.

  17. Sussex Trafalgar says:

    Trump’s cancellation of interviews, etc., over the past forty-eight hours could be related to the information in the Smith Appendix of Exhibits Judge Chutkan will release today.

    In order to maintain his current lifestyle residing in America, Trump needs to become president again, or he’ll need the SCOTUS to rule in his favor again in all future rulings.

    Of course, he’ll lie, cheat, and try to steal this year’s presidential election.

    Regarding SCOTUS and the ability of the six conservative Justices on it to continue ruling in favor of Trump, that may be in jeopardy now if Ginni Thomas’s testimony under oath in front of a D.C. Grand Jury was taken and is part of the Appendix being released today.

    Trump has always depended emotionally and legally on both Ginni and Clarence Thomas helping him avoid accountability in his cases.

    • harpie says:

      hmmmm…..very interesting thoughts regarding
      Ginni [SCOTUS Spouse] and Clarence [Insurrectionist Spouse] THOMAS!

      Here, I’d also just like to just mention the name Paul TELLER, esq.
      And of course, Leonard LEO…and Cleta MITCHELL.
      And Sammy ALITO and his wife.

    • harpie says:

      [I lost this comment somewhere…oy!]

      hmmmm…..very interesting thoughts regarding
      Ginni [SCOTUS Spouse] and Clarence [Insurrectionist Spouse] THOMAS!

      And I would also like to mention here the name Paul TELLER, esq.
      And of course, Leonard LEO…and also Cleta MITCHELL

      And, yes, Sammy and his wife, Martha Ann ALITO.

      And Harlan CROW.

      • harpie says:

        Sorry, Rayne…it was just gone after having been published…very confusing. Please delete one if you want.

      • Sussex Trafalgar says:

        Agreed.

        Since it was discovered that Martha-Ann Alito and husband hung the Stars and Stripes upside down in support of the J-6 Insurrection and Insurrectionists, and Ginni Thomas admitted she was present at the J-6 Insurrection, and the facts that Ginni Thomas texted Meadows, was seen leaving Trump’s White House after meetings with Trump, and made calls or texted AZ politicians between November 2020 and J-6 2021, it seems Ginni Thomas and Martha-Ann Alito sing from the same hymn book.

        And pillow talk does happen in life.

        Justices Thomas and Alito have a lot of explaining to do someday.

    • Twaspawarednot says:

      I wonder if at sometime SCOTUS will discontinue their blatant biased support of TFG as it becomes more apparent his cheese has slipped and he loses the race. Maybe wishful thinking?

      • LadyHawke says:

        But they have set up such cozy immunity and unitary power for a President-Elect-NonElect Christianist Vance.

  18. Phillatius says:

    “Short of cognitive collapse, none of those people will abandon their Donald[.]”

    When he’s crawling on his hands and knees eating grass like king Nebuchadnezzar, his followers will throw away their lawn mowers.

    Watch as his cognitive decline continues, as it only can; there is no reverse gear. So say the experts. It’s not simple “aging.”

  19. MsJennyMD says:

    Thanks for the weeks summery.
    Trump is disintegrating each day. Some Republican politicians see this continuing to make excuses rewarding abusive behavior. Finally, the MSM calling out his age, stamina and mental health. Better late than never.

    Meanwhile, Vice President Harris shuts down hecklers beautifully with humor and wit.
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kamala-harris-shuts-down-hecklers_n_6711918fe4b0e33eefb276ca
    And
    Bret Baier Says He Made A ‘Mistake’ In Kamala Harris Interview, Played Wrong Trump Clip
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bret-baier-kamala-harris-mistake-interview_n_6711c922e4b0b6831a128fed

  20. ernesto1581 says:

    FWIW dept: Later this month, Madison Square Garden will host something like Trump’s version of the American Nazi rally held there in 1939. (Point of View documentary on the 1939 event is easily available on line.)
    I wonder where James Dolan’s sympathies may lie. He is, of course, owner of MSG + a principal of numerous professional sports teams who play there. He came into possession his sports kingdom the same way Trump came into his real estate business, through his father. In Dolan’s case, the father, Charles, was the founder of Cablevision. And as with Trump, there was quite a bit of dirty dealing which followed death of the father in an effort to cut siblings out of the picture as much as possible.

    • dannyboy says:

      I got my State Senator (Brad Hoylman-Sigal) to start paying some attention. MSG should lose some licences. Cablevision became Spectrum and I’m gonna’ follow up with the NYS Dept of Public Service.

      This is pissing a lot of people off here.

    • tmooretxk says:

      The Madison Square Garden website doesn’t show an event, but it might not show rentals. There aren’t any events showing for the 21st, 22nd or 23rd, or the 27th. His campaign website says he’s hosting an event, with no date, although it offers a check box to automatically contribute on the 27th. Which is in between two major sporting events on the 26th & 28th. Also, there are several different venues at MSG, with capacities as few as 75, so we might be looking at a Four Seasons style bait & switch.

  21. Stephen Calhoun says:

    Conceptualize a continuum of mainstream media that runs from the NYT, WAPO, NPR, CNN to MSNBC. One aspect they have not covered in sustained detail is the hermetically sealed bubble—Fox/OANN/Newsmax (etc)—that directly supports the cult of personality that is MAGA. Social media and web media are also a major element in such a system.

    The mix of information (or communication,) sociology and social psychology is a worthwhile subject for (something like) an explainer; an explainer that could, in effect, be repeated every day. It’s not completely crickets yet it is clear that the media has not teased out a lot of facts about how the MAGA bubble works.

  22. Magbeth4 says:

    How did Trump get this far, especially after January 6, the numerous lawsuits, court appearances, convictions, appeals, the evidence of his accelerating mental decline?
    Is it all the fault of the poor souls who voted for him and show up at his rallies, dressed
    in their Trump-regalia costumes, like adult-children on Halloween night?

    It’s been discussed here, almost daily: Media, Money, Education level, access to accurate information, etc. It was not inevitable that he be chosen, as it were, again. He was put in his role, by Media, as a candidate, because of his celebrity and what he is, not because he has any qualities of leadership. So who controls, owns, the Media? People who do not pay their fair share in taxes, leaving them with too much money with which to make mischief. And many of those Millionaires and Billionaires are smart: only about how to make and keep money. They know doodly-squat about what government is designed to do in a democracy:
    administer justice in the form of equal treatment under the Law, provide services for the helpless, needy, children, and elders. Designed, most of all, to protect its people from threats coming from other countries, and for protecting the innocent citizen from crime within its borders. Designed to collect taxes to pay for administrating all these obligations, none of which, apparently, those super-rich people feel they have a need for, so why should anybody else? And, because those same people and their lackeys in the Media, many of whom they “own,” enjoy the sheer power that comes from “owning” a candidate for the presidency.

    If we keep reading and writing ourselves into despair and depression that this monster they created might be president, we will not have the will to vote and insist on better candidate vetting, financing, and coverage of candidates for all political offices. Vote, dammit!

  23. Alan Charbonneau says:

    Backing out of the NRA interview was a big surprise to me—talk about friendly turf! His gait is even worse than it was a few weeks ago. He’s swinging his right leg in an arc, lifting his hip and swinging the leg forward. There are times when I do this as well due to nerve compression in my neck making a normal stride difficult, so it jumps out at me when I see him do it. Along with his increasingly incoherent gibberish, it leads me to think his medical condition is getting worse. His handlers are worried about something. They need Trump to get Vance in the White House; the day after the election they’d probably be grateful if he had a massive heart attack

    • john paul jones says:

      To me it seems obvious that Trump’s staff has made the decision that the race is too close to allow him to do anything that might expose his rambling incoherence for what it is, cognitive decline. So: sympathetic audiences only, and edited results.

      I second one of the comments above, re: the late night hosts, who seem to be the only elements of the MSM not complicit in sane-washing. Seth Meyers and his team are particularly sharp, as is the Daily Show, particularly Desi Lydic.

    • LaMissy! says:

      Should Trump die the day after the election, does Vance automatically ascend to the throne? Seems like it ought not to be so simple.

  24. Ted Thompson says:

    One more factor: I think the media did do a pretty good job of calling out Trump’s lies about the federal response to Helene and Milton, and the WH did a good job of getting Republican officials on camera praising the relief effort. Disaster coverage I should think attracts more attention than politics, and I expect most people outside the cult would consider Trump’s actions beyond the pale.

    • earlofhuntingdon says:

      My take on the media’s coverage of Trump’s lies about the last two hurricanes is not as charitable.

      • dannyboy says:

        Agree

        Most were lying liars.

        And I am being charitable.

        P.S. Opthomologist recommended that I stop wasting my remaing eyesight on bs.

  25. SunZoomSpark says:

    1,889 pages released!
    Thank you Judge Chutkan.
    Can’t wait to learn what is in there.
    I am hoping for a
    geofence ? animation of Jan 6

  26. I am still-TheraP says:

    Just chiming in to say that in my 80th year I am still alive – in excellent health – and can promise one more vote for Harris/Walz in the battleground state of WI. FWIW.

    I do pay attention here – especially when things get really anxiety provoking. Like now… and I also pray, hoping to live to 100 and a democracy. 🙏

    [Moderator’s note: Nice to see you again. Unfortunately you went into auto-moderation because both your username and email address didn’t match either your original name and email. Please try to use your original email address though I understand you’ve changed your username from “TheraP” to meet the site’s minimum standard. Please also avoid using emojis because they’re not searchable. Thanks. /~Rayne]

    • I am still-TheraP says:

      Thank you, Rayne. I do apologize for the emoji.

      NB: I hate to admit it but I’m not sure what email I even used this morning.

      Is this correct?

      [FYI — The email address on this comment is your established one. /~Rayne]

    • hippiebullsht says:

      yuk. I don’t lick that at all.
      about to be a big bunch of con cannibal activity, orange hannibal lectern has crossed the rubeacon and neither he or his lambs that follow him unto slaughter will be quiet as they bite each other to bits, as they do…

  27. Bobster33 says:

    At this point there are only two issues that matter for the Democrats, abortion and marijuana legalization. All other matters get lost in the right wing noise machine. Republicans have no winning response to these issues. Having the Democrats trying to out respond to the gish gallop of lies maintains the confusion for the disengaged voter.

    KISS, abortion and marijuana legalization.

      • Bobster33 says:

        The people you describe are already voting. To reach those who are still on the fence, the message must be above the din of Republican misinformation. And manufacturing consent (or motivation) takes time and a repeated simple message.

  28. m00n_silverside says:

    OT I am running out the door and can’t wait to get home to read the last two entries!

    Apparently the NYS election commission is having issues confirming a voter’s status and returns ‘voter record not found! Mine is supposed to be active but I checked anyway and the website (https://voterlookup.elections.ny.gov/) returned ‘no voter record found’.

    I suppose folks who are registered will know whether they are or not, especially having rec’d a Board of Elections card from their county Board of Elections. However I was uncertain, so I called my local Board of Elections office and got thru to the commissioner (!!). She told me the record reported that I was active in a county from which I moved six years ago. She told me my votes in my current residential county all showed but she couldn’t figure out why my active voter registration here where I live was reverted on 15 Aug to my old county–eventho I received a confirmation ‘Active Voter Registration’ card here where I live. What the actual frick lol.

    (she fixed my record but she, the commissioner of the Ulster County Board of Elections, couldn’t figure out why on the same day of the postmark of my current voter registration card being sent, I was purged from my current county by an action on that very day and reverted to somewhere I haven’t lived in 6 years and where I do not receive mail and couldn’t have known this had happened if I hadn’t called to doublecheck).

    But the point of the comment is that the New York State website to check whether your voter status is active is “having problems”. Yikes !!

    • dannyboy says:

      Got my Voter Resgistration Card, Official Absentee Ballot, 2024 General Election Voting Guide, and Your 2024 Election Night Guide. Everything checks out here.

      BUT, my wife and I had trouble a (more than) a decade ago because republicans were challenging the voter rolls. I vote in every election, so that was bs. Had to fill out some provisional voting attestation.

      Now I just vote by mail and skip the drama.

      [MAGA are all drama queens (among other strange characteristics) Their strange characteristics overwhelm the legit grievances at this point. They’re gonna’ have to dial it back if their hoping to solve their legitimate problems.]

  29. bawiggans says:

    Many Americans relate to the federal government as toddlers to Mommy and Daddy, who always take care of Baby no matter what kind of temper tantrums Baby throws or mean things Baby says to them. Sometimes Mommy and Daddy make Baby sit in the corner for being bad and that makes Baby very mad. So does when Mommy and Daddy pay attention or give things to other babies. Now, Daddy has been a little careless with his gun and Baby has found it. What fun! It’s a game! Baby is pointing the gun at Mommy and Daddy and yelling “Bang! Bang!” Haha. Baby’s curious little fingers are discovering the trigger. Bang! Bang! Thus dies American democracy.

      • bawiggans says:

        Yeah, my filter has kind of gotten clogged up. To my embarrassment, the sun was shining gloriously overhead when I clicked the button. Sorry for stinking up the place.

        What I meant to express is that I think many are treating America as a safe space where elections are of no real consequence to their lives and amount to little more than choosing one’s preferred color of the same thing. I suppose that is what national elections have been in our life times. Through our history we have managed to survive the oscillation between parties until now without fatally damaging our democracy, though one of those outcomes did lead to civil war. Maybe it is understandable to assume that the aftermath of this election will be within the usual range and that it isn’t childish to operate under that notion. I am uncharitable (and being childish myself) to have said that it is. I hope that I am wrong about the potential for the outcome to be catastrophic this time and that the common sense and decency of the electorate will continue to give us no reason to think that it might be otherwise.

        • Harry Eagar says:

          Back when I was blogging, I often tried to float the idea that turnout was low because we had addressed the big issues: slavery, woman vote, paper money, national bank, standing army, right to strike, old age pension etc. The list is long, and if democracy is what it is cracked up to be, you would expect that issues would eventually be laid to rest.

          Phil Ochs put it differently, and he was speaking at the height of the Vietnam furore: “Liberals: 10 degrees to the left of center most of the time, 10 degrees to the right of center when it affects them personally.”

        • Rayne says:

          Reply to Harry Eagar
          October 18, 2024 at 4:50 pm

          You have a consistent habit of getting under my skin with your blithe dismissals of the effects structural racism and misogyny including voter suppression have on voting and our society.

          For starters: the federal minimum wage has been stagnant for decades. Do you really think anybody making minimum wage can afford to take the time off to vote if they don’t live in a state with mail-in voting? Do you really think states like Texas, Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi do a credible job ensuring minimum wage workers are adequately informed of how to vote if they can’t afford to do so in person on election day?

          And you know it was far worse in the 1960s-1970s.

        • earlofhuntingdon says:

          Liberals 10 degrees left of center, 10 degrees to the right when it affects them personally? LMAO at the self-pleasing smarminess of it.

        • bawiggans says:

          Replying to Rayne: I don’t recall ever dismissing the effects of structural racism and misogyny or voter suppression, not blithely or consciously, anyway. But I guess you are faulting me for failing to understand that Trump’s support may well be the very same people actively perpetuating structural racism and misogyny and voter suppression. The Venn diagram is effectively a single circle. Fair enough. Likely that is the simple and obvious explanation and I need puzzle no further over how so many can be so gullible. They are not being gullible at all; they are protecting their interests as they see them, which are same as they ever were: structural racism, misogyny and voter suppression. Got it.

        • Rayne says:

          My bad – my reply was intended for Harry Eagar at 4:50 pm October 18, 2024. Replying from the backend of the site rather than the interface commenters use doesn’t indicate the 4-wide comment ziggurat has been maxxed out.

          I’ve edited my comment to reflect the appropriate target.

    • P J Evans says:

      In CA they have your signature on file. You sign either the ballot envelope or the voter roll (in two places). Voting by mail, I always worry about how well it’s going to match.

  30. Matt Foley says:

    MTG already claiming 2024 election fraud. That didn’t take long.

    “We have the Dominion machines. And you go through and you mark ‘president,’ you mark for Congress – that would be me, and they marked Donald Trump … Then when they’re finished, the machine prints their ballot, a paper copy, a printed copy. And each voter has to review that printed copy to make sure it selected the candidates that they want to vote for. So when this voter printed their ballot and they looked, it changed! It was not Donald Trump, it was not me. It has switched … So they had to start over and it went through several times and it kept making the same error. It kept on switching the votes. This is something we are just starting to look into because I just found out about it this morning. I will be talking to election workers and officials here in the district … That’s extremely concerning, it sounds similar to what we heard in 2020.”
    -MTG to Alex Jones this morning
    (credit Meidas Touch)

    • HorsewomaninPA says:

      Careful, this may surprise you, but MTG could be lying. We use Dominion machines – they are scanners, not printers. Cannot find anything about a scanner/printer from Dominion, so it might be another opportunity for another lawsuit from Dominion.

      • Matt Foley says:

        I’m sure Fox and Trump will rigorously investigate her claim before spreading it tonight. Cough, cough.

    • grizebard says:

      Yup, after Dominion’s recent-ish court successes, this toxic idiot is surely heading “where angels fear to tread”. And angel she most definitely ain’t.

      (She can’t get a pardon for an adverse civic judgement, but will she be able to plead insanity, I wonder? It’s only too believable, after all.)

    • ToldainDarkwater says:

      You could change this just a tiny bit, with a bit of added information, and it would all make sense.

      Imagine she was in the polling place with a staffer, and (contrary to procedure) she was looking at the staffer’s printed ballot, which didn’t show that staffer voting for her or Trump. “The machine changed my vote!” was the cry.

      It’s kind of like “the dog ate my homework”, right?

    • chrisanthemama says:

      What, MTG has $787 million lying around? That’s how much it cost Fox when they lost their Dominion lawsuit for spreading that BS. Hello BK court!

  31. chocolateislove says:

    On the topic of Trump election fuckery, the Michigan Secretary of State has launched the Michigan Voting Dashboard that shows the number of absentee ballots and how many have been returned and active registered voter turn out. I’m thinking the dashboard is an attempt to tamp down on misinformation and conspiracy theories and maybe even some lawsuits.

    https://www.michigan.gov/sos/elections/election-results-and-data/voter-participation-dashboard

    I just went down a rabbit hole trying to determine if MI processed/counted absentee ballots before election day. The short answer is yes. But, there is a lot language on how and who and where this gets done in the Michigan Election Law. Looking at the footnotes, it looks like counting absentee ballots before election day was added after 2020 which is what I was remembering and wanted to check.

  32. PieIsDamnGood says:

    Mitt Romney, noted anti-Trumper, campaigned on making life so miserable for migrants that they would “self deport”. The Republican party has been playing footsie with fascism for decades.

    • earlofhuntingdon says:

      Gotta remember that Mitt Romney, co-founder and former head of Bain Capital, is first and foremost a private equity guy.

      He doesn’t want immigrant labor to “self-deport.” He wants it to be quiet, work cheap, go away when there’s no more work, and come back when there is. The more precarious its position, the cheaper and more compliant they are.

      • dannyboy says:

        You got it.

        There’s friction between the 2 sides within the baddies.

        My fav cousin headed up homeland’s efforts to id immigrants. Had to slow walk it…because one faction didn’t want ’em identified, liking the scenario you describe.

        But, the other side wanted ids to control and deport.

        Fortunately he comes from a diplomatic (read: “practical” family, so gave neither what they wanted, claiming it was “the other side” that prevented it.

  33. synergies says:

    Astonishing to me at 73 years old is in the past presidential elections “ECONOMY” was always in the top relevancies to the discourse especially with Democrat Presidencies or control of the houses. This Biden led economy has been spectacular but completely off the oligarch owed news radar. The reason “Le news” keeps forcing Harris’s distancing from Biden is the success of the economy. Why the Democratic Party doesn’t utilize the success in down ballot races to uplift into the presidential, or presidential in spite of, I do not know why. It’s the news stupid!

    As to the news this week, Sinwars’ demise, IMO takes a huge urgency out of the election equation and Biden’s leadership quality. He has worked incredibly hard to foster peace. My own point of view, is why people don’t notice these authoritarian leaders flood the streets with huge poster images of themselves, posters of missile images and then don’t question their leaders insane egos. I knew they’d kill Sinwar but to have his body to barter for the return of the hostages, is a hope.

  34. Matt Foley says:

    MAGAsshole committing ELECTION INTERFERENCE in my county.

    Lawsuit filed on behalf of a Pennsylvania voter against the Montgomery County Board of Commissioners, Montgomery County Board of Elections, Montgomery County Voter Registration Commission and three county officials challenging the county’s mobile voter services van. On Oct. 5, 2024, Montgomery County released its new voter services satellite office — a van that travels across the county which residents can use to register to vote, request mail-in ballots and return their completed absentee ballots. The voter alleges the van violates Pennsylvania law, which requires counties to publicly announce the exact times and locations of any voter registration efforts. The voter asks the court to prohibit Montgomery County from using the voter services van until the county can provide a fixed schedule for the van with physical and online notice at least 14 days in advance.
    https://www.democracydocket.com/cases/pennsylvania-montgomery-county-voter-services-van-challenge/

  35. Melody_21OCT2024_1357h says:

    The importance of the media having access to alternative frames so they can tell a fuller story is a longstanding issue – This article by Gershkoff & Kushner highlights this issue well in the context of Bush’s framing of the Iraq war: https://sgadaria.expressions.syr.edu/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Iraq-article_Gershkoff_Kushner.pdf. I totally agree the need for alternative frames (e.g., Rs highlighting Trump’s facism) that seem “nonpartisan” are key… and for methods to get those alternative frames (or really just factual info) out to voters who won’t hear them usually. I see you Kamala going on Fox News!

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  36. Alan Charbonneau says:

    My wife and I just voted on the first day of voting in Texas. It looked like there were 60-70 people in line when we got there and it was just as long when we finished. I was the 604th voter at this location today (in a Randall’s supermarket). There were a handful of young people which brought a smile to my face.

    Now if I’m hit by a bus, I know I’ve done my part to keep fascism from taking over the country.

  37. emmahyde says:

    Great post. Long time listener, first time caller. Just a quick note; Charlamagne the God should be “Charlamagne tha God”. Silly, but true.

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