Machine for Fascism: The Two Stephens

When I saw the news that Trump is planning a rally at Madison Square Garden — as the Nazis did in 1939 — I checked the date to see whether that was before or after Steve Bannon gets out of prison.

Bannon is due to get out on October 29; the rally is two days earlier, on October 27. On the current schedule, Bannon will be released nine days before the election, but not soon enough to attend what will undoubtedly be a larger version of the Nazi rant that Trump put on in Aurora the other day. Unless something disrupts it, Bannon will start trial for defrauding Trump supporters on December 9, days before the states certify the electoral vote.

This is the kind of timing I can’t get out of my head. According to FiveThirtyEight, Kamala Harris currently has a 53% chance of winning the electoral college. That’s bleak enough. But based on everything I know about January 6, I’d say that if Trump loses, there’s at least a 10% chance Trump’s fuckery in response will have a major impact on the transfer of power.

Experts on right wing extremism are suggesting the same thing. Here’s an interview Rick Perlstein did with David Neiwert back in August on the political violence he expects. Here’s a report from someone who infiltrated the 3 Percenters, predicting they would engage in vigilanteism.

Will Jack Smith unveil charges about inciting violence amid election violence?

As I wrote in this post, I suspect that Jack Smith considered, but did not, add charges when he decided to supersede Trump’s January 6 indictment. As I wrote, there is negative space in Smith’s immunity filing where charges on Trump’s funding for January 6 (and subsequent suspected misuse of those funds) might otherwise be.

More tellingly, there are four things that indicate Jack Smith envisioned — but did not yet include — charges relating to ginning up violence. As Smith did in a 404(b) filing submitted in December, he treated Mike Roman as a co-conspirator when he exhorted a colleague, “Make them riot” and “Do it!!!” Newly in the immunity filing, he treated Bannon as a co-conspirator, providing a way to introduce Steve Bannon’s prediction, “All Hell is going to break loose tomorrow!” shortly after speaking with Trump on January 5.  But Smith didn’t revise the indictment to describe Roman and Bannon as CC7 and CC8; that is, he did not formally include these efforts to gin up violence in this indictment. What appears to be the same source for the Mike Roman detail (which could be Roman’s phone, which was seized in September 2022; in several cases it has taken a year to exploit phones seized in the January 6 investigation) also described that Trump adopted the same tactic in Philadelphia.

The defendant’s Campaign operatives and supporters used similar tactics at other tabulation centers, including in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania,21 and the defendant sometimes used the resulting confrontations to falsely claim that his election observers were being denied proper access, thus serving as a predicate to the defendant’s claim that fraud must have occurred in the observers’ absence.22

Even more notably, after saying (in that same December 404(b) filing) that he wanted to include Trump’s endorsement and later ratification of the Proud Boys’ attack on the country to “demonstrate[] the defendant’s encouragement of violence,” Smith didn’t include them in the immunity filing whatsoever — not even in the section where the immunity filing described Trump’s endorsement of men who assaulted cops. If I’m right that Smith held stuff back because SCOTUS delayed his work so long it butted into the election season, it would mean he believes he has the ability to prove that Trump deliberately stoked violence targeting efforts to count the vote at both the state and federal level, but could not lay that out until after November 5, after which Trump may be in a position to dismiss the case entirely.

And the two Stephens — Bannon, whose War Room podcast would serve to show that Trump intended to loose all Hell on January 6, and Miller, who added the finishing touches to Trump’s speech making Mike Pence a target for that violence — appear to have a plan to do just that, working in concert with Elon Musk.

The two Stephens say Trump must be able to stoke violence with false claims as part of his campaign

As I laid out in June, just as Bannon was reporting to prison, both Stephens were arguing that they had a right to make false claims that had the effect of fostering violence.

Bannon filed an emergency appeal aiming to stay out of prison arguing he had to remain out so he could “speak[] on important issues.”

There is also a strong public interest in Mr. Bannon remaining free during the run-up to the 2024 presidential election. The government seeks to imprison him for the four-month period immediately preceding the November election—giving an appearance that the government is trying to prevent Mr. Bannon from fully assisting with the campaign and speaking out on important issues, and also ensuring the government exacts its pound of flesh before the possible end of the Biden Administration.

No one can dispute that Mr. Bannon remains a significant figure. He is a top advisor to the President Trump campaign, and millions of Americans look to him for information on matters important to the ongoing presidential campaign. Yet from prison, Mr. Bannon’s ability to participate in the campaign and comment on important matters of policy would be drastically curtailed, if not eliminated. There is no reason to force that outcome in a case that presents substantial legal issues.

That claim came just after he had given a “Victory or Death” speech at a Turning Point conference.

In the same period, Stephen Miller attempted to intervene in Jack Smith’s efforts to prevent Trump from making false claims that the FBI tried to assassinate him when they did a search of his home governed by a standard use-of-force policy, knowing full well he was gone. (Aileen Cannon rejected Miller’s effort before she dismissed the case entirely.)

Miller argued that the type of speech that Smith wanted to limit — false claims that have already inspired a violent attack on the FBI — as speech central to Trump’s campaign for President.

The Supreme Court has accordingly treated political speech—discussion on the topics of government and civil life—as a foundational area of protection. This principle, above all else, is the “fixed star in our constitutional constellation[:] that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics[ or] nationalism . . . or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein.” W. Va. State Bd. of Educ. v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624, 642 (1943) (Jackson, J.). Therefore, “[d]iscussion of public issues and debate on the qualifications of candidates” are considered “integral” to the functioning of our way of government and are afforded the “broadest protection.” Buckley, 424 U.S. at 14.

Because “uninhibited, robust, and wide-open” debate enables “the citizenry to make informed choices among candidates for office,” “the constitutional guarantee has its fullest and most urgent application precisely to the conduct of campaigns for political office.” Id. at 14-15 (citations omitted). Within this core protection for political discourse, the candidates’ own speech—undoubtedly the purest source of information for the voter about that candidate—must take even further primacy. Cf. Eu v. S.F. Cnty. Democratic Cent. Comm., 489 U.S. 214, 222-24 (1989) (explaining that political speech by political parties is especially favored). This must be especially true when, as here, the candidate engages in a “pure form of expression involving free speech alone rather than expression mixed with particular conduct.” Buckley, 424 U.S. at 17 (cleaned up) (contrasting picketing and parading with newspaper comments or telegrams). These principles layer together to strongly shield candidates for national office from restrictions on their speech.

Miller called Trump’s false attack on the FBI peaceful political discourse.

Importantly, Miller dodged an argument Smith made — that Trump intended that his false claims would go viral. He intended for people like Bannon to repeat his false claims. In disclaiming any intent to incite imminent action, Miller ignored the exhibit showing Bannon parroting Trump’s false claim on his War Room podcast.

It cannot be said that by merely criticizing—or, even as some may argue, mischaracterizing—the government’s actions and intentions in executing a search warrant at his residence, President Trump is advocating for violence or lawlessness, let alone inciting imminent action. The government’s own exhibits prove the point. See generally ECF Nos. 592-1, 592-2. 592-3, 592-5.

Note, Bannon did this with Mike Davis, a leading candidate for a senior DOJ position under Trump, possibly even Attorney General, who has vowed to instill a reign of terror in that position.

But that was the point — Jack Smith argued — of including an exhibit showing Bannon doing just that.

Predictably and as he certainly intended, others have amplified Trump’s misleading statements, falsely characterizing the inclusion of the entirely standard use-of-force policy as an effort to “assassinate” Trump. See Exhibit 4.

Back in June, Bannon said he had to remain out of prison because he played a key role in Trump’s campaign. And Miller said that even if Bannon deliberately parroted Trump’s false incendiary claims, that was protected political speech as part of Trump’s campaign.

Miller helps eliminate checks on disinformation and Nazis on Xitter

But this effort has been going on for years.

A report that American Sunlight released this week describing how systematically the right wing turned to dismantling the moderation processes set up in the wake of the 2016 election points to Miller’s America First Legal’s role in spinning moderation by private actors as censorship. Miller started fundraising for his effort in 2021.

[F]ormer Trump Senior Advisor Stephen Miller[] founded America First Legal (AFL). 6 An unflinchingly partisan organization, the home page of AFL’s website claims its mission is to “[fight] back against lawless executive actions and the Radical Left,” 7 which it accomplishes through litigation. AFL has, to date, engaged in dozens of efforts to silence disinformation research through frivolous lawsuits and collaboration with Jordan and the House Judiciary Committee’s harassment of researchers. In a digital age where social media is more prevalent than ever and social media platforms have more power than ever, AFL’s efforts to politicize legitimate efforts to combat disinformation – by social media platforms and independent private-citizen researchers – have significantly damaged the information environment. To fully realize these efforts and their impacts, we explore the founding and operations of AFL.

[snip]

After its launch in early 2022, AFL began its line of litigation with a series of FOIA requests relating to the State Department’s Global Engagement Center (GEC) and the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA). These requests marked a noticeable uptick in conservative claims about censorship. AFL’s FOIA requests alleged these government agencies improperly partnered with social media platforms and asked for content around Hunter Biden’s laptop to be removed. 22 In its FOIA request to CISA, AFL writes 23 :

On March 17, 2022, the New York Times revealed that “[Hunter] Biden’s laptop was indeed authentic, more than a year after … much of the media dismissed the New York Post’s reporting as Russian disinformation.” When the story was first accused of being disinformation, X/Twitter suspended the New York Post’s account for seven days, and Facebook “’reduc[ed]’ the story’s distribution on its platform while waiting for third-party fact checkers to verify it.” This was just one of many instances where social media companies censored politically controversial information under the pretext of combatting MDM even when the information later became verified.

Then, as now, AFL offered no evidence to support its claim that any federal agency coerced, pressured, or mandated that social media platforms remove any such laptop-related content. As this report will cover in depth, social media platforms have their own, robust content moderation policies in regards to false and misleading content; as private companies, they implement these policies as they see fit.

The American Sunlight report describes how some of the key donations to AFL were laundered so as to hide the original donors (and other of its donations came from entities that had received the funds Trump raised in advance of January 6).

But as WSJ recently reported, Musk started dumping tens of millions into Miller’s racist and transphobic ads no later than June 2022.

In the fall of 2022, more than $50 million of Musk’s money funded a series of advertising campaigns by a group called Citizens for Sanity, according to people familiar with his involvement and tax filings for the group. The bulk of the ads ran in battleground states days before the midterm elections and attacked Democrats on controversial issues such as medical care for transgender children and illegal immigration.

Citizens for Sanity was incorporated in Delaware in June 2022, with salaried employees from Miller’s nonprofit legal group listed as its directors and officers.

There are questions of whether Miller grew close to Musk even before that.

In the lead-up to Musk’s purchase of Xitter, someone — there’s reason to believe it might be Stephen Miller — texted Musk personally to raise the sensitivities of restoring Trump, whom the person called, “the boss,” to Xitter.

And one of Musk’s phone contacts appears to bring Trump up. However, unlike others in the filings, this individual’s information is redacted.

“It will be a delicate game of letting right wingers back on Twitter and how to navigate that (especially the boss himself, if you’re up for that),” the sender texted to Musk, referencing conservative personalities who have been banned for violating Twitter’s rules.

Whoever this was — and people were guessing it was Miller in real time — someone close enough to Elon to influence his purchase of Xitter was thinking of the purchase in terms of bringing back “right wingers,” including Trump.

Yesterday, the NYT reported on how the far right accounts that Musk brought back from bannings have enjoyed expanded reach since being reinstated. Some of the most popular accounts have laid the groundwork for attacking the election.

As the election nears, some of the high-profile reinstated accounts have begun to pre-emptively cast doubt on the results. Much of the commentary is reminiscent of the conspiracy theories that swirled after the 2020 election and in the lead-up to the Jan. 6 riot.

Since being welcomed back to the platform, roughly 80 percent of the accounts have discussed the idea of stolen elections, with most making some variation of the claim that Democrats were engaged in questionable voting schemes. Across at least 1,800 posts on the subject, the users drew more than 13 million likes, shares and other reactions.

Some prominent accounts shared a misleading video linked to the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank, that used shaky evidence to claim widespread voter registration of noncitizens. One of the posts received more than 750,000 views; Mr. Musk later circulated the video himself.

But it’s more than just disinformation. Xitter has played a key role in stoking anti-migrant violence across the world. In Ireland, for example, Alex Jones’ magnification of Tommy Robinson’s tweets helped stoke an attack on a shelter for migrants.

As with mentions of Newtownmountkennedy, users outside of Ireland authored the most posts on X mentioning this hashtag, according to the data obtained by Sky News. 57% were posted by accounts based in the United States, 24.7% by Irish users. A further 8.8% were attributed to users based in the United Kingdom.

While four of the top five accounts attracting the most engagement on posts mentioning this hashtag were based in Ireland, the fifth belongs to Alex Jones, an American media personality and conspiracy theorist. Jones’s posts using this hashtag were engaged with 10,700 times.

Jones continued to platform Robinson as he stoked riots in the UK.

Several high-profile characters known for their far-right views have provided vocal commentary on social media in recent days and have been condemned by the government for aggravating tensions via their posts.

Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, who operates under the alias Tommy Robinson, has long been one of Britain’s most foremost far-right and anti-Muslim activists and founded the now-defunct English Defence League (EDL) in 2009.

According to the Daily Mail, Robinson is currently in a hotel in Cyprus, from where he has been posting a flurry of videos to social media. Each post has been viewed hundreds of thousands of times, and shared by right-wing figures across the world including United States InfoWars founder Alex Jones.

And Elon Musk himself famously helped stoke the violence, not just declaring civil war to be “inevitable,” but also adopting Nigel Farage’s attacks on Keir Starmer.

On Monday, a spokesperson for UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer addressed Musk’s comment, telling reporters “there’s no justification for that.”

But Musk is digging his heels in. On Tuesday, he labeled Starmer #TwoTierKier in an apparent reference to a debunked claim spread by conspiracy theorists and populist politicians such as Nigel Farage that “two-tier policing” means right-wing protests are dealt with more forcefully than those organized by the left. He also likened Britain to the Soviet Union for attempting to restrict offensive speech on social media.

In the UK, such incitement is illegal. But it is virtually impossible to prosecute in the United States. So if Elon ever deliberately stoked political violence in the US, it would be extremely difficult to stop him, even ignoring the years of propaganda about censorship and the critical role some of Musk’s companies play in US national security.

Bannon’s international fascist network

The ties to Nigel Farage go further than Xitter networks.

In a pre-prison interview with David Brooks (in which Brooks didn’t mention how Bannon stands accused of defrauding Trump’s supporters in his New York case), Bannon bragged about turning international fascists into rocks stars.

STEVE BANNON: Well, I think it’s very simple: that the ruling elites of the West lost confidence in themselves. The elites have lost their faith in their countries. They’ve lost faith in the Westphalian system, the nation-state. They are more and more detached from the lived experience of their people.

On our show “War Room,” I probably spend at least 20 percent of our time talking about international elements in our movement. So we’ve made Nigel a rock star, Giorgia Meloni a rock star. Marine Le Pen is a rock star. Geert is a rock star. We talk about these people all the time.

And in August, Bannon’s top aide, Alexandra Preate, registered as a foreign agent for Nigel Farage. She cited arranging his participation in:

  • A March 2023 CPAC speech
  • Discussions, as early as August 2023, about a Farage speech at RNC
  • A January 2024 pitch for Farage to speak at a Liberty University CEO Summit that was held last month
  • Talks at “Sovereignty Summits” in April through July
  • April arrangements for a May 1 talk at Stovall House in Tampa, Florida
  • Discussions in May about addressing CPAC in September
  • May 2024 media appearances on the Charlie Kirk Show, Fox Business Larry Kudlow show, Bannon’s War Room, Seb Gorka Show, Newsmax, WABC radio
  • More discussions about Farage’s attendance at the RNC
  • Early August discussions about an upcoming trip to the US

That is, Preate retroactively registered as Farage’s agent after a period (July to August) when he was spreading false claims that stoked riots in his own country.

Preate also updated her registration for the authoritarian Salvadoran President, Nayib Bukele (which makes you wonder whether she had a role in this fawning profile of Bukele).

Miller serves as opening act for Trump’s Operation Aurora

Before Trump’s speech in Aurora, CO the other day — at which he spoke of using the Alien and Sedition Act against what he deemed to be migrants — Stephen Miller served as his opening act, using the mug shots of three undocumented immigrants who have committed violent crimes against American women to rile up the crowd, part of a years-long campaign to falsely suggest that migrants are even as corrupt as violent as white supremacists.

Stephen Miller started laying the infrastructure to improve on January 6 from shortly after the failed coup attempt (and he did so, according to the American Sunlight report, with funds that Trump may have raised with his Big Lie). In recent weeks, Trump — with Miller’s help — has undermined the success of towns in Ohio and Colorado with racial division and has led his own supporters hard hit by hurricanes to forgo aid to which they’re entitled with false claims that Democrats are withholding that aid.

By targeting people like North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper and Kamala Harris, Trump is targeting not just Democrats, but also people who play a key role in certifying the election.

If Cooper and Harris were incapacitated before they played their role in certifying the election, they would be replaced by Mark Robinson and whatever president pro tempore a Senate that is expected to have a GOP majority after January 4 chooses, if such a choice could be negotiated in a close Senate in a few days.

And all the while, the richest man in the world, who claims that he, like Steve Bannon and Donald Trump, might face prison if Vice President Harris wins the election, keeps joking about assassination attempts targeting Harris.

We have just over three weeks to try to affect the outcome on November 5 — to try to make it clear that Trump will do for America what he has done in Springfield, Aurora, and Western North Carolina, deliberately made things worse for his own personal benefit. But at the same time, we need to be aware of how those efforts to make things worse are about creating a problem that Trump can demand emergency powers to solve.

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  1. Valerie Klyman-Clark says:

    From Marshall, NC, may those evil SOBs personally reap what they’ve sown. In the midst of hurricane clean up, I’ve actually had friends send me the craaaaaaziest videos, “reports” about weather control, FEMA, et al isn’t here/hasn’t been here, etc, etc. It’s so grotesque I almost can’t believe it. Almost.

  2. Critter7 says:

    The deliberate wielding of the “free speech” mantra as a way to bludgeon we voters with a barrage of false claims and other propaganda for the purpose of creating fear, chaos and confusion is, indeed, quite something to see. A chilling spectacle, so foreign to how most of us learned to view democracy, and to the purpose of free speech in a healthy democracy. And it is happening in the wide open, right in front of us.

    But so few journalists connect those dots like Marcy does – Thank you, Marcy.

    An anecdotal observation: I was a Democratic greeter at our early voting polling place last week. The Republican greeter was there also, we were working in the same space. This Virginia county’s vote is roughly 50-50. Republicans were treating the early voting like a social club, greeting one another with Trumpy exchanges. But Dems seemed to have different attitudes, walking toward the vote center with a purpose.

  3. harpie says:

    […] If I’m right that Smith held stuff back because SCOTUS delayed his work so long […] it would mean he believes he has the ability to prove that Trump deliberately stoked violence […] but could not lay that out until after November 5, after which Trump may be in a position to dismiss the case entirely.

    And the two Stephens […] appear to have a plan to do just that, working in concert with Elon Musk. […]

    Hoo-boy!
    This post has most definitely focused my up-till-now swirling and amorphous fear and anxiety.

    • Wild Bill_13OCT2024_1747h says:

      Actually at least three Steves: Bannon, Miller and Cheung. America doe have enemies.

      [Welcome to emptywheel. Please use a more differentiated username with a minimum of 8 letters when you comment next as “Wild Bill” is insufficiently unique. Your username will be temporarily changed to match the date/time of your first known comment until you have a new compliant username. /~Rayne]

  4. harpie says:

    BANNON: TRUMP is a “moderate” on the “spectrum of MAGA.
    Where Steve Bannon leaves us Bannonism, and its focus on retribution against Americans who disagree with the MAGA movement, will persist as he serves a four month sentence https://www.mediamatters.org/steve-bannon/where-steve-bannon-leaves-us Madeline Peltz 07/01/24 1:07 PM

    […] Project 2025 is the Trump movement’s vehicle for enacting Bannon’s vision of retaliation, which goes far beyond what’s in the Mandate for Leadership.

    “On the spectrum of MAGA,” he recently told NBC News, “I would say President Trump is a moderate in our movement. And I think the MAGA movement is shifting day by day to the right.” [link]

    Links to:
    https://x.com/NBCPolitics/status/1807473279302582535
    1:56 PM · Jun 30, 2024

    Steve Bannon tells @VaughnHillyard that former President Trump is a moderate in the MAGA movement, which is moving “farther right.” [VIDEO]

    • Ginevra diBenci says:

      Since Trump has no real political convictions beyond what serves his own immediate selfish purposes, this is probably both true and meaningless.

      Interesting that Bannon would offer it up, though.

    • Stephen Calhoun says:

      It’s a reasonable, even normative assumption, to presume that a handful of persons in CFTFG’s inner circle are well aware of what their leader’s actual organizational capacities are; and comprehend how their leader is to be manipulated for the sake of the ends these insiders are focused on; and, so, they are able to game out various contingencies and plans through the election and transition period and the regular constitutional order. (Scary!)

      CFTFG seems right now to be behaving as if someone has whispered in his ear that “The election really doesn’t matter and you can count on taking over. Just keep rallying wherever your genius tells you to do so. Then we’ll save the country.” (my hunch)

  5. Phil Hunnicutt says:

    Yo, I helped stop January 6th via the delivery of DC police to the scene with buses. When I did so, I didn’t believe that January 6th could be stopped. I thought we were going into a civil war. I had been studying Steve Bannon, and the way I sent those buses in was in an attempt to test how Bannon believed in Traditionalism via Julius Evola. Like was it his religion, where he stored his faith or was it a tool that he used to get results he wanted. It is 100% where he stores his faith, because you wouldn’t stop January 6th over seeing some buses otherwise. If anyone’s reading this, this is the information the public needs to hear, this is what the right needs to see. Bannon and Trump are using Nazi magic. And it’s not about whether or not it works or it doesn’t, because they’re gambling people’s lives over, ultimately, idiotic premises put forward by the Nazi occult. To them, your life is worth so little that they’re willing to gamble it on a dead guy’s theory.

    • Matt___B says:

      Holy crap, I had heard of Julius Evola before, but knew nothing about him, until I just read the lengthy Wikipedia entry on him just now. If Bannon’s “faith” is invested in this hot mess of race superiority based on perversions of Buddhism, Hindu Tantra, eugenics and Aleister Crowley-like sex magick, then that would seem to leave the Christian nationalism now on display in the U.S. as a mild-mannered cousin. This is just single-minded pursuit of absolute power.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Evola

  6. harpie says:

    I’ll post again this CapitolHunters THREAD from 11/7/22:

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1589818468324773889.html
    10:13 PM · Nov 7, 2022

    Anyone following this months’ Twitter saga is now hearing a lot about David Sacks and the PayPal Mafia. WSJ asked who pushed Elon to buy: the top 2 were Peter Thiel & David Sacks. WaPo asked who’s advising Elon now: again, Sacks. You should worry. [THREAD]
    […]
    Thiel brought Sacks along to PayPal. They met Elon Musk when PayPal merged with his company. After PayPal was sold in 2002, Thiel ramped up what biographer Max Chafkin calls his ‘political project’. Key to it are Stanford Review alums – like Josh Hawley and Blake Masters. 4/ […]

    [probably] MILLER in the above screenshot of 4/4/22: “A Blake Masters type”

  7. SteveBev says:

    “In the UK, such incitement is illegal”

    Here is a recent example of prosecution and sentence for posting inflammatory messages on Facebook during the period of riots in July and August where Mosques were attacked and there were Arson attacks on hostels/hotels housing asylum seekers.

    I mention this instance for two reasons.
    1The offender lives in a small village community not 15 miles from my own
    2 WalesOnline (the National Newspaper of Wales) on its own site and its FB page was bombarded with hundreds of posts claiming this case amounted to 2 tier justice and a weaponisation of criminal law to infringe free expression of political views. Other reports of the case in mainstream and social media elicited similar responses.

    The offender created multiple posts proving his sustained deliberate intent to stoke religious and racial hatred and to incite violence in consequence.

    The headline grabbing post featured a photo of a mosque with the comment
    “Burn down all the Mosques with the bastards inside them”

    43 year old man with 16 previous convictions including for violence, pleaded guilty and got 2 years imprisonment (meaning 1year custody, 1year on license)

    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/plumber-wrote-burn-mosques-down-30112955.amp

    Here is the relevant portion of the sentencing remarks.

    https://youtu.be/RSGawqnICA8

    It depresses me beyond belief that cases such as this are being propagandised as woke perversions of the justice system.

    • emptywheel says:

      Thanks, a ton, for sharing. I know that this kind of thing CAN be prosecuted in the UK, but have been focused on US stuff — and I know how hard the Douglass Mackey prosecution was to put together, and it may not stick (and will be pardoned in any case if Trump wins).

      • SteveBev says:

        I hoped that the example from U.K. experience would illustrate the extent to which the online propagandising of “unfettered freedom of speech” has become a sort of norm on the political right, despite a long U.K. history of policing inflammatory public speech going back at least to the 1936 Public Order Act (which was an anti-fascist measure which also banned ‘political uniforms’ as a means of cracking down on the BUF)
        So while such laws are useful and appropriate IMHO, their political legitimacy is hotly contested.

  8. HorsewomaninPA says:

    Because “uninhibited, robust, and wide-open” debate enables “the citizenry to make informed choices among candidates for office,”

    Wait a minute – Trump level lying is “uninhibited, robust and wide-open”, but it is not a debate and it certainly doesn’t inform choices. Intentional and coordinated falsehoods actually inhibit or even rob a voter’s choice.

    I just don’t get how they can hide behind the mantle of ‘free speech’ when what Trump is doing is an abomination of free speech and I think, the greatest threat to democracy.

    • CantankerousDave says:

      To Trump, it’s all salesmanship. “Sales puffery,” in used car lingo. He’s incapable of processing the notion of consequences for others. All that matters is that he gets what he wants. And we know that he doesn’t take “no” for an answer.

  9. Yogarhythms says:

    Macry, (blue tang),
    Two Stephen’s, adopt, a fresh idea,1A means, a moment to adjust my nihilist shades, candidates and surrogate sycophants, can say anything about migrants during campaign speech including statements inciting violence because it is the highest form of free speech, in service to and promotion of democratic political campaign. Jack, was right, silence, is a virtue in a talking indictment.

  10. synergies says:

    What I’ve always liked about Joe Biden is he’s always been a fighter. Calls TFG out with “Get a life, man!” I imagine in not running for president, he has the time, along with the Armed Services, along with Veterans, who are just plain assed pissed to the historical disrespect, to be planning for any contingencies post election. He’s been one of the most successful Presidents in history. His wife Jill is intelligent also.

    I repeat; He’s one of the most successful Presidents in history. History is a power in and of itself. More powerful than an ugly delusional oligarchy. Interesting when highlighting oligarchy to a dictionary search: “a small group of people having control of a country, organization or institution.” “the ruling oligarchy of military men around the president.” I think WE still live in the USA. “Institution” the bell ringer?

  11. wa_rickf says:

    “…I’d say that if Trump loses, there’s at least a 10% chance Trump’s fuckery in response will have a major impact on the transfer of power…”

    Fox News, for this past week, has been pushing the narrative that Trump has the election in the bag, validating this premises with pundits that support this position – including “Democrat” pundits.
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/dems-data-extremely-bullish-trump-winning-harris-may-lose-six-swing-states-analyst

    Polling aggregate Real Clear Politics, as of today SU 10/13/24, has VP Harris at 1.7% over Trump. (VP Harris’ percentage at RCP has been declining 1/10th of a percent every few days). Allan Lichtman has handed the “Keys to the White House” to VP Harris. Michael Moore says the likely electoral count will be 270 in favor of VP Harris, versus 268 for Trump.
    https://www.michaelmoore.com/p/do-the-math-trump-is-toast

    The narrative is being set for when VP Harris wins the elections with a very slim margin – that the election was stolen from Trump. The havoc Trump’s already emotionally unwell base could do on his behalf is real.

    • Rayne says:

      Via Mastodon:

      Gabe Ortíz @[email protected]

      “It’s that time in the election season when we see GOP pollsters flooding the zone with biased polls meant to have corporate media throw them into the averages and cause anxiety for Democrats, attempting to depress the vote,” @msignorile writes

      https://www.signorile.com/p/beware-biased-gop-polls-flooding?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

      The Signorile Report · 2d
      Beware biased GOP polls flooding the zone, with corporate media’s help
      By Michelangelo Signorile
      Oct 13, 2024, 10:53 AM

      Don’t pay attention to polls. Stop amplifying them.

      Focus energy on helping voters register if they aren’t already, and then getting them to the polls. Turn out is everything and we have until poll closing local time in every state and territory until this is over.

      • Peterr says:

        One of the more intangible aspects of this election are the number of folks who are newly registered voters.

        Pollsters use the phrase “likely voters” which is their proprietary analytical tool to move past the simple question of “who would you vote for if the election were held today?” to the more complex “is this person likely to actually cast a ballot for their candidate?” They might use things like whether someone has voted in the last X elections, or a blend of demographic characteristics (age: young folks are less likely to vote; elderly are more likely to vote), etc.

        The hardest thing to model, though, are newly registered voters. For starters, the voter lists that pollsters use may not be completely up to date, and so these folks never show up on the people to call. The second, and more complicated, factor is whether the desire to register now shows more of an inclination to vote than their lack of past voting shows an inclination not to vote.

        My own take is that newly registered voters are more likely to vote, no matter how many elections they passed up in the past. *Something* got them off the sidelines, and simply signing up to vote isn’t enough to address that *something* – they want to actually vote.

        Where there are high numbers of newly registered voters, they will likely have more of an impact than the pollsters take into account.

        • Ginevra diBenci says:

          TY, Peterr. Even though I know better, all this poll garbage has been depressing me this morning. Also it’s freezing here in CT–we’re resisting turning the heat on while running out of clothes (and cats) to layer over the ones we already had on.

          You cheered me up. I appreciate it.

      • Dark Phoenix says:

        And especially with RCL, you can see it very clearly; 95% of the polls included in the last month have been from unknown right wing pollsters claiming Trump’s up by huge numbers (I’ve seen 4, 5, 6 points up). They’re trying to game the aggregates again, like they did in 2022, to create a story of Trump’s inevitable victory, so that when he loses, he can say it was rigged.

  12. OldTulsaDude says:

    The fracturing and fragmenting of news sources has severely damaged the ability of news organizations to reach the masses. Salvation lies not only with journalists like Marcy but in getting her information in front of people.

  13. omphaloscepsis says:

    Inciting rioters in Britain was a test run for Elon Musk. Just see what he plans for America
    Carole Cadwalladr
    Sun 18 Aug 2024
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/aug/18/inciting-rioters-in-britain-was-a-test-run-for-elon-musk-just-see-what-he-plans-for-america
    “But this is Britain, where extremist political violence is someone carrying a brick and throwing a chair leg. In America, there aren’t just automatic weapons and rights to openly carry firearms, there are actual militias. . . .

    In Britain, the canary has sung. This summer we have witnessed something new and unprecedented. The billionaire owner of a tech platform publicly confronting an elected leader and using his platform to undermine his authority and incite violence. Britain’s 2024 summer riots were Elon Musk’s trial balloon. . . . ”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_Kingdom_riots

  14. wetzel-rhymes-with says:

    Like Lenin and Stalin described by Camus arising from European nihilism, Trump is an apotheosis of nihilism for America, bourgeoisie totalitarian Godlessness, a hollow Macy’s Day Balloon. When God dies it leaves only criminals to run the asylum. Nobody really gives a shit about Elon Musk’s view of Mars. It may be a Valhalla retreat, a Bond villain lair for “consciousness”. The new fascism for America won’t have a philosophy book but absurd like the coverage of a school shooting. Whatever wins is best. That’s capitalism! God is dead, so History could live. The state of things rewards successful people. Who can say otherwise?

    • OldTulsaDude says:

      Leave God out of it: see Spanish Inquisition;
      see Taliban; see Salem witch trials; see lists of current Trump supporters.

      • dannyboy says:

        Agree.

        The list of current Trump supporters have been coopting God, Patriotism, USA USA!

        And they’re really going after witches now (current meme for VP Harris).

        But I think of them as American Taliban-types, religious-like.

        Fascists, behavior like.

        And some Nazis, ideoplogy-like.

        I guess that’s the Trump Supporter Spectrum (TSS).

  15. Error Prone says:

    You mention Mike Davis. Not to go off topic, but as to fascistic things, Mike Davis has been a frequent guest of Russian related Tenet media related Benny Johnson’s podcast and youtube channel. If searching = mike davis rt Benny Johnson youtube — it shows, including their breaking, their way, the Biden ten million allegation Grassley promoted, since discredited with Weiss indicting Smirnov, the confidential agent, for lying; https :/ /www. youtube. com /watch?v=iSpaelh7uaI (intentionally broken link). Davis is a former Grassley staffer, and Davis and Johnson talked it up w/o ever saying the FBI questioned the source.

    It is infotmation of an interlock, not that either gentleman is a Russian agent, but that RT liked their stuff. Or RT was liking Davis, via liking Benny. Watching Davis, he is a singularly unimpressive man with a law license, and beliefs that could boost him if Trump wins. One of many like that.

    • Ginevra diBenci says:

      All true, Error Prone. Mike Davis also possesses one of the most forgettable names in political history, which helps him fade out of memory and into the background.

      I think this is one of our current House Speaker’s superpowers (perhaps the only one): nothing stuck to him back in the insurrection days because his name was so unsticky.

  16. CitizenSane77 says:

    I’m still in shock these public and egregious incidents of violence, obstruction of certifying the election, ect. took so long to bring indictments. The evidence is primarily based on public tweets and statements on podcasts that occured around J6, 2021.

    It’s just unreal to me the rule of law can possibly be tossed aside after Nov 5 (and therefore not really a rule). It’s unreal to me how laws were broken in front of millions on TV and social media, and 4 years later there’s still no trial.

  17. Twaspawarednot says:

    Is there any reason to not consider the GOP under the thumb of TFG anything other than a terrorist organization?

    • dannyboy says:

      Evidently, not the way the Department of Justice defines it.

      Somehow all this has not risen to a level where The Executive Branch, Congress, or the Courts see it a serious problem.

      Hoping for some Divine Intervention.

      Or good luck.

      Because fighters, Democrats ain’t.

      I expect others believe that all that can be done is being done.

      But look at it.

    • earthworm says:

      replying to Twaspawarednot:
      this.
      it’s a bit late, closing the barn door, etc., but democracy as practiced in the US is participant in its own demise if we cannot counter the means used to destroy it.

  18. dannyboy says:

    22 references to “Musk” here. He’s obviously behind a lot.

    So I head over to my neighborhood micronews to get a break.

    No break for me.

    The guy’s everywhere!

    “Elon: ‘Cheap Way To Heat Your House This Winter'”
    and
    “Elon: ‘1 simple trick to cut your bills in half'”

    both click through to “News Reports – News Just In”

    He has managed to completely remove the meaning of the phrase “News Reports”.

    New Reports now means ANYTHING THAT EXCLUDES NEWS REPORTING.

    1984

  19. GSSH-FullyReduced says:

    The current administration is trying very hard to avoid any more Ruby Ridges, Jonestowns or Malheur siege events where radicals are killed on our soil by government forces and/or innocents drink poison cool aide.
    But the two Steves, Elon and the magat wing of our GOP are trying very hard to do just the opposite, elevating tensions, spraying disinformation and blatantly calling for civil war, all in the name of 1st amendment rights…while Putin et al laughs all the way to the bank.
    I thought yelling ‘fire’ in a theater was illegal.
    Marcy nails it again. Kudos to the EW community. Hope all the undecideds, independents and benevolent Doubting-Thomas-contrarian types wake-up and smell the coffee.
    Vote like our lives depend on it; this election scares the shit out of me.

  20. GSSH-FullyReduced says:

    Typo in name, sorry Rayne

    [Fixed — you’re not alone, I’ve fixed a couple others this evening without comment. Must say I had to do a double take because I thought you typed in “fully recused” LOL /~Rayne]

  21. GSSH-FullyReduced says:

    The current administration is trying very hard to avoid any more Ruby Ridges, Jonestowns or Malheur siege events where radicals are killed on our soil by government forces and/or innocents drink poison cool aide.
    But the two Steves, Elon and the magat wing of our GOP are trying very hard to do just the opposite, elevating tensions, spraying disinformation and blatantly calling for civil war, all in the name of 1st amendment rights…while Putin et al laughs all the way to the bank.
    I thought yelling ‘fire’ in a theater was illegal.
    Marcy nails it again. Kudos to the EW community. Hope all the undecideds, independents and benevolent Doubting-Thomas-contrarian types wake-up and smell the coffee.
    Vote like our lives depend on it; this election scares the shit out of me.

  22. allan_in_upstate says:

    OT. Meanwhile, a battleground state continues to melt:

    Record daily heat streak in Phoenix reaches 20 days [KTAR]

    “Phoenix’s daily heat streak record reached 20 days after another mark fell on Sunday.

    The thermometer at Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport, which the National Weather Service (NWS) uses for the city’s official records, hit 102 degrees at 2:25 p.m. The previous record of 101 degrees was set in 1989.

    Phoenix has broken daily heat records 18 times and tied two more since the streak began on Sept. 24.”

    https://ktar.com/story/5614651/record-daily-heat-streak-in-phoenix-2/

    Even forgetting the fascism, how do people experiencing 100 degree days in mid-October
    vote for “Drill, Baby, Drill”?

  23. Magbeth4 says:

    Such depressing information. The only consolation for me is that most of them have horrible diets, are extremely overweight and not fit…Bannon, especially, also a heavy consumer of alcohol. That means, life expectancy is at the deep end of the pool of life. All the excitement of planning and attempting to execute insurrection/civil war/chaos will raise their blood pressure. These men, other than their minions, such as Miller, are on the slope towards old age. Or, death by heart attack, stroke, or a combination of lung cancer, high blood pressure, diabetes…the mind leaps. Such bodily and psychic grossness makes them unattractive to women. This is male bonding of a very unhealthy nature. Testosterone in excess can be dangerous to ones health.

    I am voting for a clean Harris sweep. Never underestimate the power of women, youth, and old ladies who remember what a gentleman used to be and how he talked and behaved.

    • MsJennyMD says:

      Yes, the body speaks its mind. Anger affects the liver and gall bladder. Hate affects the nervous, immune and endocrine system. And one has to be taught to hate.

      Power to the people who vote for caring, compassionate and conscious candidates. Harris/Walz!

  24. SteveBev says:

    As a further data point on the “internationalisation” of the far-right stoking and exploiting incidents
    A Sky News Report from 10/15/24

    “How foreign far-right influencers fuelled the UK summer riots”

    Examining X and Telegram Accounts traced and mapped
    ‘A Sky News investigation has revealed that just six of the 20 most influential accounts that were posting about the Southport stabbings were based in the UK.

    It shows how much influence European and global far-right groups have in sowing discontent in Britain, especially on the issues of race and immigration’

    Video : https://youtu.be/adH7mU9cIDQ

    Sky News website report Tuesday 15 October 2024 13:28, UK
    https://news.sky.com/story/riots-and-the-far-right-the-global-network-behind-the-violence-13232023

    ‘Sky collaborated with Prose, an open-source intelligence start-up, to understand the online conversation around Southport on Telegram’

    ‘In respect to X, research shared exclusively with Sky News by Ned Mendez, director of consultancy Clash Digital’

    ‘Amy Mek a US online Influencer was highly instrumental on X, she repurposed a video rip of the vigil for the dead children, and added racist and Islamophobic comment
    ….
    This was the single most widely shared piece of content on X during the unrest. The original video earned 11,000 views; the repurposed content got 5.5million views in a few days’

    • SteveBev says:

      Mek has 431k + followers on X under bio:
      ‘Unbounded and unowned, an investigative journalist. Join our international movement. Sign up for http:// RAIRFoundation.com

      “ RAIR Foundation USA (Rise Align Ignite Reclaim) is a grassroots activist organization comprised of everyday Americans leading a movement to reclaim our Republic from the network of individuals and organizations waging war on Americans, our Constitution, our borders and our Judeo-Christian values. [etc etc etc]”

      In her response to the Sky request for comment published on RAIR she describes herself as the founder of RAIR.

      A quick perusal of recent articles they all seem to be by her, and there doesn’t appear to be any other contibutor credited with content creation.
      (Unless you count the occasional ones signed pseudonymously Vlad Tepes and RAIRFoundation)

      I suspect this is all a bit of a front for a quite elaborate operation.

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