Bombshell “New[s]:” Jack Smith DID Consult about Timing before Adopting Post-SCOTUS Path
After I wrote this post laying out that Elie Honig was not only wrong about Jack Smith’s immunity briefing, but that it was very likely DOJ had decided not to take certain steps in August because of the election, I thought about sending the post to Jack Goldsmith, because he tends to make claims about Jack Smith violating DOJ guidelines with little understanding of the facts.
Whereas Honig dedicated just one paragraph to asserting that the problem here lay in “new” disclosures,
The immediate takeaway lies in the revelations contained in Smith’s oversize brief. (He asked the judge for, and received, permission to file a brief that was 180 pages long, four times the normal maximum.) We now have damning new details on Trump’s effort to pressure Vice-President Mike Pence to throw the election his way, Trump’s phone use and use of Twitter as the riot unfolded, and his conversations with family members about efforts to contest his electoral loss. The story’s structure is the same as we’ve long known, but the new details lend depth and dimension.
Goldsmith repeated his claim that there were “new” disclosures in Jack Smith’s immunity filing four times, starting in the lead paragraph.
Last week a judge unsealed a 165-page legal brief with damaging new revelations about President Donald Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election.
[snip]
The brief he filed last week sought to show that the election prosecution can continue despite the Supreme Court’s immunity ruling. It laid out the government’s case against Mr. Trump with what many media reports described as “bombshell” new details about his wrongdoing. The filing is in clear tension with the Justice Department’s 60-day rule, which the department inspector general has described as a “longstanding department practice of delaying overt investigative steps or disclosures that could impact an election” within 60 days of an election. However, the “rule” is unwritten and, as the inspector general made clear, has an uncertain scope.
[snip]
Perhaps the department thinks the new disclosures are marginal and won’t affect the election, or that the rule does not apply to litigation steps in previously indicted cases, even if they would affect the election.
[snip]
Because it didn’t need to disclose the new details now, and because it was foreseeable that the disclosures would cause approximately half the country to suspect the department’s motives, it is hard to understand any reason to go forward this close to the election other than to influence it — a motive that would clearly violate department policy.
New new new new.
Bombshell!
I’ll note, I was not among the allegedly “many media reports” that declared I had found “‘bombshell’ new details.” Nor was Brandi Buchman, in her new gig at HuffPo. Nor were Politico’s Kyle Cheney and Josh Gerstein. While a subhed of the WaPo story on the brief promised “new” details, the story itself describes that we knew most of this before.
Much of the evidence against Trump in the case had already become public, either through previous filings, news reports or an extensive congressional investigation into the events of Jan. 6.
Tellingly, while NYT devoted a section of their four takeaways piece to “new” evidence, they specifically said none of this was “game-changing.”
The prosecutor revealed new evidence.
The brief contained far more detail than the indictment and included many specific allegations that were not previously part of the public record of the events leading up to the attack on the Capitol by a mob of Trump supporters on Jan. 6, 2021.
None of the new details were game-changing revelations, but they add further texture to the available history. For example, part of the brief focuses on a social media post that Mr. Trump sent on the afternoon of the attack on the Capitol, telling supporters that Vice President Mike Pence had let them all down.
Mr. Trump was sitting alone in the dining room off the Oval Office at the time. According to the brief, forensic data shows he was using the Twitter app on his phone and watching Fox News. Fox had just interviewed a man who was frustrated that Mr. Pence was not blocking the certification and then reported that a police officer may have been injured and the protesters had breached the Capitol.
Mr. Trump posted to Twitter that Mr. Pence had lacked the “courage” to do what was right. The mob became enraged at the vice president, and the Secret Service took him to a secure location. An aide to Mr. Trump rushed in to alert him to the peril Mr. Pence was in, but Mr. Trump looked at the aide and said only, “So what?” according to the brief. [my emphasis]
And much of this isn’t new.
We learned prosecutors were going to rely on forensic data from an expert notice submitted in December. The original indictment revealed that Trump was alone in his dining room when he sent the Tweet targeting Mike Pence. The superseding indictment added to the existing description in the original indictment that Trump was “watch[ing] events unfold” that his TV was showing “live coverage.” If you couldn’t already guess that meant he was watching Fox News, the January 6 Committee told us that in hearings and their final report. The actual content shown on Fox News at that moment is new to court filings, but it is publicly available. The Tweet itself, of course, has been discussed in detail starting from Trump’s impeachment. The Nick Luna comment, “So what?”, is new, but simply a better sourced version of Cassidy Hutchinson’s far more damning hearsay testimony of Mark Meadows telling Pat Cipollone that Trump thought Pence “deserves it” even as his supporters chanted “hang Mike Pence.”
The CNN piece that Honig linked to substantiate his claim this was new described that the filing provided “fullest picture yet of [Jack Smith’s] 2020 election case,” not that these were bombshells. It described “new” details to include:
Trump’s frayed relationship with former Vice President Mike Pence; FBI evidence of Trump’s phone usage on January 6, 2021, when rioters overtook the US Capitol; and conversations with family members and others where the then-president was fighting his loss to Joe Biden.
Those details of Trump’s phone usage — as I noted above — were actually covered in earlier filings and even the indictments. The one new attribution to a conversation with Trump’s family members — the “fight like hell” claim — is important mostly because it echoed the very public exhortation in the January 6 speech we all saw four years ago. And virtually all the references in the brief about Trump’s frayed relationship with Pence are parallel sourced to Mike Pence’s book, published years ago.
What Goldsmith cites instead of the NYT, where his op-ed was published (which, many people complained, didn’t play up the brief enough), was this ABC story. It promises stuff that is new, but then lists a bunch of stuff we knew already.
Special counsel Jack Smith has outlined new details of former President Donald Trump and his allies’ sweeping and “increasingly desperate” efforts to overturn his 2020 election loss, in a blockbuster court filing Wednesday aimed at defending Smith’s prosecution of Trump following the Supreme Court’s July immunity ruling.
Trump intentionally lied to the public, state election officials, and his own vice president in an effort to cling to power after losing the election, while privately describing some of the claims of election fraud as “crazy,” prosecutors alleged in the 165-page filing.
And it doesn’t substantiate its claims that this stuff is new.
For example, the immunity filing explains how prosecutors know that Trump called Sidney Powell “crazy:” after Tucker Carlson ripped her to shreds, Trump let Dan Scavino and P7 — who may be Hope Hicks — listen to a conversation with Powell on speakerphone while he mocked her. That he called her crazy was included in the original indictment’s description of Powell.
One other thing some blow-ins to this story claimed was new — Mike Roman’s instruction to “Make them riot” — was also something already revealed in a December filing.
What Honig and Goldsmith are all worked up about is not new news, but editors who, trying to hype stories about this filing, felt the need to oversell the amount of new news in it.
Their concern arises out of click-bait, not the substance of the immunity filing itself.
And from that, Goldsmith scolds that Smith should have justified filing this brief in response to an order from Judge Chutkan.
[T]he department has not publicly justified its actions in the election prosecution, and its failure to do so in this highest-of-stakes context is a mistake.
Only, even Goldsmith’s claim that the department didn’t justify its actions is not entirely accurate.
Jack Smith hasn’t told us what internal DOJ deliberations were. But he did publicly reveal that before he did anything in the wake of the SCOTUS remand, he spent most of a month “consult[ing] with other Department of Justice components” regarding DOJ “rules, regulations … and policies” about “the most appropriate schedule” moving forward.
The Government continues to assess the new precedent set forth last month in the Supreme Court’s decision in Trump v. United States, 144 S. Ct. 2312 (2024), including through consultation with other Department of Justice components. See 28 C.F.R. § 600.7(a) (“A Special Counsel shall comply with the rules, regulations, procedures, practices and policies of the Department of Justice,” including “consult[ing] with appropriate offices within the Department for guidance with respect to established practices, policies and procedures of the Department . . . .”). Although those consultations are well underway, the Government has not finalized its position on the most appropriate schedule for the parties to brief issues related to the decision.
DOJ is never going to reveal these deliberations (and Jack Goldsmith knows that better than most, given the number of far more important internal deliberations involving Goldsmith himself, dating to two decades ago, that we’ve never been allowed to and won’t ever be allowed to see).
But they did tell us they engaged in them. Jack Smith literally told us that he was spending weeks consulting about how to comply with DOJ policies regarding timing even before he superseded the indictment.
Only that detail — the one that they keep harping about — appears to be news to Honig and Goldsmith.
So chalk this up to yet another instance where the people complaining about what Jack Smith did, instead, only reveal they don’t know what Jack Smith did.
Update: Trump submitted, under seal, another request not to have any evidence released before the election. It cites both Honig and Goldsmith. Neither, of course, address the point Trump claims to be making.
President Trump maintains his objections, see ECF No. 248, based on overt and inappropriate election interference, violations of longstanding DOJ policy, the Office’s previous safety-related representations in this District and the Southern District of Florida, grand jury secrecy, and the influence on potential witnesses and jurors of prejudicial pretrial publicity—which predictably followed from the filing of the redacted “Motion for Immunity Determinations.”2
2 See, e.g., Ellie Honig, Jack Smith’s October Cheap Shot, N.Y. Magazine (Oct. 3, 2024), https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/jack-smith-october-surprise-donald-trump.html; see also Jack Goldsmith, Jack Smith Owes Us an Explanation, N.Y. Times (Oct. 9, 2024), https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/09/opinion/jack-smith-trump-biden.html.
Trump’s deadline to submit objections to Jack Smith’s proposed redactions is today at 5PM ET. Last time, when Trump made no substantive suggestions, Judge Chutkan released the file.
This post is just what I was hoping for (see:
dannyboysays:
October 9, 2024 at 9:04 am
I’m hoping for a discussion here of the American Enterprise Institute hit job on Jack Smith, authored by Jack Goldsmith in today’s NYT.)
BUT THAT WAS FAST!
AND LOADED WITH ALL THE FACTS I NEED TO KNOW, BUT DON’T, BECAUSE NEWS COVERAGE IS ILL-INFORMING.
THANKS for this, Marcy! I have been steaming about Goldsmith’s piece since seeing the headline about 5 hours ago. [steam coming out of my ears emoji]
Here’s Goldsmith [and Benjamin Wittes], writing about Comey’s antics in 2016:
James Comey, Hillary Clinton, and the Email Investigation: A Guide for the Perplexed https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/james-comey-hillary-clinton-and-email-investigation-guide-perplexed October 29, 2016
IMPOSSIBLE they said.
GOLDSMITH, today:
Mr. Goldsmith is a master at politicizing something, while claiming that someone else is doing it.
“What Honig and Goldsmith are all worked up about is not new news, but editors who, trying to hype stories about this filing, felt the need to oversell the amount of new news in it. Their concern arises out of click-bait, not the substance of the immunity filing itself.”
I think it’s too big of an ask for corporate news editors to get into substance, especially this close to the election. The substance surrounding TFG is not only not sexy, it’s a buzzkill (whatever you do, don’t damage the lifestyle, real estate, food, or business sections!). Corporate editors can, however, click-bate enough to drive up engagement and portray performative journalism. The smart move is to play both ends to stay in business. Democracy isn’t even in the top five for these people.
Corporate news media doesn’t like to go into substance at any time. Sadly for everyone, it’s their bloody job, especially in the months before an election. That’s when that information counts most.
Their shtick that it’s not newsy or sexy is cover, in many cases, for an outcome they want. NBC, for example, has a documentary ready about Donald Trump’s child separation policy. He promises to do lots more of it, and then some. But NBC decided not to show it until December. Nice illustration of how not to inform voters or cover an election.
I’ve come around to the opinion that their job has changed. Materially. Journalism 101 still exists, but not in corporate news media. They can’t coexist, they’re at cross purposes.
Their First Amendment protections exist only so that they can do the job they now don’t want to do.
They may want to sell pics of cute panda cubs and penguins, and local healthcare monopoly infomercials. They might be embarrassed to sell hard news because it might make someone feel uncomfortable. Doesn’t mean we have to accept or subsidize it.
If I recall correctly, didn’t SC Smith basically punt the ball to Judge Chutkan on both the timing of the briefing and the making public of the unredacted brief? And didn’t she opine that the proximity of the election was not relevant to her decisions?
But the point that the brief didn’t break new ground is well taken as is the observation that internal DOJ consultation was undertaken.
Perhaps this DOJ procedural rule needs revisiting. Prejudice to a defendant who is running for public office and avoidance of the appearance of partisanship are important considerations. But so is the right of the public to know.
And who has been declared “immune” in so many ways. Officially. FFS.
I am less moved by the claims of “newness” this close to the election when I recall that one of the reasons so much of the case is being litigated now is because Trump’s legal team took pretty much every delaying tactic they could. It seems to me that one of EW’s main points in her post is the word “December.”
Goldsmith got just clobbered in comments, which are now already closed
at only 721 after about 8 hours.
A fraction of what his government service and public advocacy deserves.
“Jack… that piece you did… GREAT engagement metrics. More like that buddy!”
– Marketing dept.
This.
I had the NYT page still open, and it now shows in the comments section 1081 comments. How and when did the additional 360 comments come in? (The section is still — or again? — closed.)
The comments are moderated, so I guess these are the ones that had already been written, but not yet posted when the section was closed.
[I don’t comment often, but when I do, it’s up to a 2-hour lag time…it makes me even MORE appreciative of Marcy, Rayne and team at emptywheel!]
Ok, that seems the obvious explanation, thank you.
Sadly my comment that they should retract Goldsmith’s piece was not published. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
JSG:
I wouldn’t be surprised if it had not been published
even if yours was the very first comment submitted.
There are two issues of propriety in the conduct of criminal proceedings that Honig, Goldsmith, and Trumpers more generally, seek to elide and confuse to legitimise Trumps complaints of victimisation, which I characterise for the sake of simplicity:
1: Ambush •by• the proceedings
2: Ambush •within•the proceedings
As to the first: the DoJ manual policies, and informal policy grafted on top (60 or 90 “rules” ) are aimed to avoid embarrassing political candidates by announcements of pre indictment investigations and announcements of indictments, in circumstances which are damaging and are difficult to rebut. The superseding indictment does not in any way infringe the relevant principles.
As to the second, it is a matter of due process rights that defendants be given adequate opportunities to meet new facts which emerge during the currency of the pre-trial phase of criminal proceedings, which have or might have a bearing on eg the admissibility of evidence on the charges they face.
A lot of the commentary on the Immunity filing has been framed around the supposed novelty of parts of information. As EW has argued above, based on the diligence of he work over many months, little if anything is novel information to the public record. The novelty, such as there is, arises solely from the appreciation of how Smith assembles the facts and evidence at his disposal, for the purposes of argument.
What few people pay attention to, is how Trumps complaints of “ambush” within the proceedings have been resolved, and the wider implications of the resolution of his application for further disclosure to meet the Immunity brief.
Basically Trump has been told
“You have had ALL THIS evidence and information FOR AGES, none of this in fact is any sort of surprise to you, and you are not prejudiced in any way, get your shit together and on we go!!”
This absolutely undercuts the Honig/Goldsmith narratives: Trump has always known the evidential base of the case against his immunity claim, and the public has known most of it, had they paid attention.
The consultation by the DoJ in advance of the superseding indictment had in mind no doubt avoiding any possibility of “ambush by the proceedings”
There are no new charges, no radical expansion of the indictment, the are not even any expansions of existing conspiracy counts by eg adding additional allegations to means and methods, overt acts, or new sub-plots in furtherance of the broader conspiracy.
Thus despite the convolutions Honig/Goldsmith et al engage in there are no ambushes being conducted by the SC either by the proceedings (Superseding Indictment) or within the proceedings (Immunity argument).
Right: Also, rather than rebut anything here before the election, they asked for a delay until well after it.
Doesn’t that merit some attention? If this evidence was flawed, they’d want to rebut it immediately.
They don’t have any substantive response to it. They just want to run out the clock.
“Trump has always known the evidential base of the case against his immunity claim, and the public has known most of it, had they paid attention.” My thanks to emptywheel for all the in depth analysis of the case and court filings. Without that I would be caught in the fog of real information, disinformation, and sometimes misleading stories/ headlines.
Thanks for this comment, and for spelling this out so clearly that even a layperson like me can understand it.
Smith seems to have done what he has done at every turn in both of his cases: the best thing he could while calmly and professionally following the law and DoJ policy.
Apparently Patrick Byrne has fled the country. https://x.com/TimInHonolulu/status/1703095128595087775
“Patrick Byrne, the founder and former CEO of Overstock.com, has hired a lawyer facing criminal charges in Michigan for allegedly tampering with voting machines to defend him in a $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit.
Stefanie Lambert filed an appearance, opens new tab in Washington, D.C., federal court on Tuesday on behalf of Byrne, who has been fighting a defamation lawsuit from Dominion Voting Systems for the past three years.”
https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/ex-overstock-ceo-taps-indicted-pro-trump-lawyer-defense-counsel-dominion-lawsuit-2024-03-13/
Maybe due to this?
And then there is this:
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/ex-overstock-ceo-once-again-violated-protective-order-hours-after-hearing-to-disqualify-kraken-lawyer-dominion-tells-judge/amp/
And this:
A pro-Trump lawyer facing criminal charges for illegally accessing Michigan voting machines after the 2020 election was disqualified Tuesday from representing former Overstock CEO Patrick Byrne after a judge found her and Byrne responsible for leaking up to 1 million confidential records turned over in a separate defamation lawsuit.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/08/13/dominion-voting-systems-stefanie-lambert-trump-election/
I think he’s also being sued by Hunter Biden?
Yes! Unfortunately, I cannot find any recent sources other than the Daily Mail or media only linking to Daily Mail articles. But yes, with the latest on Hunter Biden, I thought the timing interesting.
What’s the latest on Hunter Biden? (Sorry, it’s been a busy week or two.)
The reason we know Byrne fled is because it has come out in discovery disputes in Hunter’s LA lawsuit against Byrne for claiming he had ties to Iran. Byrne is trying to avoid a US-based deposition (or in any country that would adhere to rule of law).
Incidentally, in other news, Hunter’s lawsuit against the IRS for letting his data leak appears to be moving towards settlement. Once that settles, I’m not sure how the IRS agents avoid repercussions.
Thanks EW. You’re a gem!
There is this from Dkos:
https://www.dailykos.com/story/2024/10/9/2275686/-Donald-s-sinking-ship-features-the-first-fleeing-litigant
He claims the government of Venezuela is out to get him.
He needs help.
I strongly;y suggest it is NOT new because someone is a lazy and/or incompetent reporter who simply is incapable or chooses not to do the work/research in order be informed and inform others.
Thank goodness we have Marcy and others like those she mentioned who do the work.
When it IS new they will tell you so.
To be fair, with a bad journalist the (to me) is implied in the byline.
Steely Dan:
I can see by what you carry that you come from Barrytown
Stick that (Steely Dan) where the sun don’t shine, Trump et al.
“Take that big Jim Crow and get outta here!”
Opinion section of the Times
Jack Smith’s chargin’ Rudy
Goldsmith’s stupid lies
His piece lies
It was a cryin’ disgrace
(Marcy put him in his place)
On the front page
Byline’s Maggie’s
Was a book of Trump lies
With no remedies
(None for me please)
Surely will scream out of sorrow
But what’s published tomorrow
I can’t read anymore
While Trump runs aground
(While Vance runs his mouth)
Break away
Just when it seems so clear
Subscription’s over now
Sink your big grey lady
And get out of here
nice
Oh punaise, you are a gem. Never change please
:-)
Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
Damn it, punaise. You rickrolled a moderator! LOL
@Rayne: whoopsie!
Sorry, OT but noteworthy:
Georgia MAGA election board launches investigation into 2020 election fraud.
https://apnews.com/article/fulton-county-georgia-election-monitor-state-election-board-def361d5de62242f553c61d1d55416e0
Clearly, Trump and Vance have “moved on” and are “looking ahead.”
IIRC, Vance is “focused on the future.”
JD Vance is only focused on “his” future, not “the” future.
A distinction without a difference to a man of destiny
Only because he assumes no one’s history or future matters, except his. Trump looked in the mirror, and picked a running mate that matched what he saw.
earlofhuntingdon
October 9, 2024 at 8:50 pm
Trump saw Vance making obeisance, and as the Spirit of Trump moved across the face of Vance Trump beheld Vance’s rebirth into the light of Trump, and it was good.
And Trump proclaimed “celebrate and be glad, because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.”
Jaysus, the man’s history, worked in the prosecutor’s office of the ICC, not to mention, domestically.
Who do these clickbait clowns think they’re talking about? They look the fools, because that’s what they are.
Seeking spots on political “news”, for their own interests.
Meh.
I don’t think that Propaganda considers Truth it’s friend. When shilling for the American Enterprise Institute, the idea is to replay The Best Hits. The rubes never get tired of them, no thinking required, repitition is key, and you can dance to the beat!
[“Best Hits” is my double entendre of the day.]
MARCY WHEELER on “TALKING FEDS” with Harry Litman
““a survey of some important points that were maybe missed in the first time around, as people, including me, were very quickly foraging.
And to do it,
•we have really the perfect person• :
Marcy Wheeler, known to many of you, but she’s long been known by the handle Empty Wheel.”
From Talking Feds: A Second Look At The Jack Smith Brief, 10 Oct 2024
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/talking-feds/id1456045551
Includes transcript
This material may be protected by copyright.
Also
https://youtu.be/ESDrB0QPfi0
Excellent by EW as always