Jack Smith’s Immunity Argument
Is here. I’ll write it up once I’ve read it.
Here’s the November 14, 2020 tweet IDing the following people.
CC1: Rudy
P10: Joe DiGenova
P11: Victoria Toensing
CC3: Sidney Powell
P12: Jenna Ellis
I’m about to go to bed. But the filing suggests that Trump was laughing with someone at Fox — possibly Tucker Carlson — about Sidney Powell.
That will make this evidence more comfortable for SCOTUS to reject.
“Make them riot” – Trump
I think that was one of his henchmen, [P5] Campaign Operative, but they are his proxy.
As you probably already know P5 is Trump Advisor Boris Epshteyn
That seems unlikely, since Epshteyn is probably CC6.
P5 seems like it might be Mike Roman? (page 54 describes some real conspiracy shit going on between the two of them)
P5 is probably Michael Roman, a minor Trump campaign operative who delivered lists of false electors to Capitol Hill in a bid to get them to Vice President Mike Pence on Jan. 6
post, w source link, naming redacted ?
cannot vett, from X.
https://x.com/ArtCandee/status/1841618087327523302
p.12, Trump (to P9, who is telling him he can’t prove election fraud in court):
“The details don’t matter.”
Oof! The first paragraph of the Factual Proffer is worth reprinting over and over! Three clear points!
The first two sentences are epic. With two words he kills it.
“Not so.”
T-shirt worthy!
Then-President Trump when informed Pence was in danger: “So What.”
Is there any time listed for that one? I was wondering if it was before Trump sent out the “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage” text.
That’s on pdf132/165 and Marcy has a screenshot, here:
https://x.com/emptywheel/status/1841623275039809537
The answer is TRUMP said “So, what” AFTER the 2:24 PM Xeet.
Thanks, harpie.
The throughline of these efforts was deceit: the defendant’s and co-conspirators’ knowingly false claims of election fraud.
Correct. Sometimes called by other words, e.g. disinformation, but always deceit. In contrast, the results of the election are presented as objective fact using a variety of rhetorical strategies. A powerful document.
An accurate table of redaction references and names will be a highly sought after thing!
I have a list of all the identities which I’ll be posting on my FB page within 30 minutes. On FB, I’m Kevin Gardenkind Hayden
If you want people here to read it, cut and paste it here. Driving clicks to other sites, especially FB, isn’t a good look.
You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. Except maybe Xitter.
this is the reason i recuperated and came ‘home’ —
cheers to Molly, and 165 pages of factual presentation.
Thanks for opening this and for the cast of characters (beginning of a cast of characters.) Really helps with reading.
I would greatly appreciate anyone who identifies P9 and anyone who helps with footnotes. On footnotes, e.g. what is GA – nnn? A link to a piece of evidence numbered nnn?
Chris Geidner thinks P9 is Eric Herschmann
https://bsky.app/profile/chrisgeidner.bsky.social/post/3l5kl7cv7g42w
[I haven’t read any of it, yet]
ty Harpie. Mr. Geidner quotes a paragraph with a lot of identifying info.
I ask because P9/Herschmann is one of the key links in one line of showing “Trump knew he had lost,” and is also both a WH employee and a link to the campaign, so may be a harder lift for the SC as “private” rather than “official”
Was he a friend of Jared’s? (So identified at the beginning.)
Bruce, Yes.
P9 is WH lawyer Greg Jacob
It’s totally Herschmann! No other Trump WH lawyer has been quoted using the word “Bullsh*t” as often as EH!
A revealing redaction slip-up close to the end (within the last ten pages), where Herschmann’s name got through, suggests that’s right.
Plus, of course, how the narrative matches what we know.
There’s actually a redaction fail for P9 that shows that it is Herschmann. On page 149, the fourth line from the bottom, they missed redacting his name. Read that in context and there’s no doubt.
Thanks! Brilliant –
And to all emptywheelers….such a fun & smart community.
Donating again soon!
Page 10 says “P9 was one of several attorneys who represented the defendant in his first impeachment trial in the Senate in 2019 and 2020, including presenting argument on the Senate floor on January 27, 2020.”
Herschmann was indeed one of the attorneys who presented on Trump’s behalf in the Senate on that day. (see 5:07 pm)
(William)Ockham’s Razor!
I should point out that there’s a new version of Smith’s filing that redacts the name Herschmann from that line.
My theory is that their redaction tool essentially does a find-and-replace.
They select a person’s name and set it to “P9” and the redaction tool produces black boxes with P9 written on them. They have to search for all the different ways they might have referenced that person, e.g. “Jacob” or “Greg Jacob” or “Mr. Jacob” and I assume their tool helps them do that… except that they had misspelled Herschmann’s name in this one place, and so the tool didn’t find it!
Even if human editors carefully reviewed the result, its such a long document that its possible for a human to just overlook something like that.
Oops! This is why I should read all the comments before trying to play smarty pants!
I think P1 might be Bannon.
Yes and guaranteed they’re all guilty. Painfully obvious.
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Apologies, understood.
and CC2 I think is Eastman, who spoke after Giuliani in the incriminating section with “trial by combat” (I could be wrong, sorry, that was a lot to skim!)
I think so too.
Not sure, but the quotation on P7 (… he’s just going to say he’s the winner) I thought was Roger Stone (?).
Actually, I take it back. I was thinking of a more profanity-laced comment from Stone, captured on video, to the same effect.
I think you’re right, SL.
Correct on Bannon. And P6 is Roger Stone. P46 is Bernie Kerik.
P1 is definitely Bannon; that’s one of the obvious ones, especially as you read all the way through.
His actions were not “official acts”.
The SC brief generated some projectile vomiting from Stevie Cheung:
“Deranged Jack Smith and Washington DC Radical Democrats are hell-bent on weaponizing the Justice Department in an attempt to cling to power…
…President Trump is dominating, and the Radical Democrats throughout the Deep State are freaking out. This entire case is a partisan, Unconstitutional Witch Hunt that should be dismissed entirely, together with ALL of the remaining Democrat hoaxes.”
Just another spirit of Jezebel twisting its head in 360s.
Gaawdaweful stuff to process.
Now I have to wonder how many of Trump’s wacky social media posts with drafted with so much improper letter case are really crafted by Steve Cheung.
Cheung reminds me a bit of Baghdad Bob.
I think the comment witnessed by P15 (“It doesn’t matter if you won or lost the election, you still have to fight like hell” is previously-unreported?
“Make them riot” is also not, to my knowledge, previously reported.
Very damning brief, I wonder if the MSM is actually going to bother reading it.
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The “Make them riot” bit was reported last December.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2023/12/06/trump-staffer-allegedly-urged-rioting-obstruct-detroit-absentee-vote-count-tcf-center-2020-election/71828795007/
Sorry for the bad autofill, Rayne! My browser just refuses to let me remove it for this site since I use ‘Sotek’ most other places.
And the fact I never saw coverage of that bit despite it not being new just … makes me sad. How the media decides that this shit isn’t worth giving coverage on par with “Biden old”, I will never understand. But thanks for the correction.
Abd I do believe P15 is Assistant to the President and Director of Oval Office Operations Nicholas Luna.
Not that I would ever defend the NYT after all the crap they have pulled, but they have made the entire thing available on line and given a link to download it. Have to give credit where due.
It’s available elseweb, so need to give the NYT a shout-out, unless you intended it for other reasons.
Here it is; the hour of reckoning for the old-school GOPers. If they don’t cast MAGA from the party now they may not get another chance this good.
But I also suspect they’re craven enough to wait and see if Trump somehow survives.
Of course.
Forget them, what’s important is the legal stuff, the SC, and this, it’s a battle. Jack Smith is like a Transformer (my son loved them lol) – he won’t let the SC allow the orange creep to slip the noose if he can help it.
It’s the “old school” gopers that created Trump. Starting from characters in the movie Vice on. Like Cheyney etal who were as lawless, if not more, than Trump and lucked out from prosecution. Now Cheyney and his family are all of a sudden anti what they created?
What we are witnessing in Jack Smith is a warrior (legal-like) taking up the challenge of a ‘not representing anyone other than themselves (or rather, their ‘beliefs’) Supreme Court. They’re supposed to be the ‘sober last word’. Independent?
What a fucking sad joke. Having said all that I like warriors.
Jack Smith, Mr. Tim Walz, and of course Kamala Harris.
Those who don’t buckle under the onslaught, keep on repeating the message with authentic conviction.
When we fight, we win.
None of the aforementioned btw, have anything to hide. Take comfort in that, and get the GOP bugs out of your head. You’re backing a winner.
Exactly.
However, I will caveat that the Clinton’s coming to town taught him a lot. I will contend Trump is a bipartisan creation.
Trump is a bipartisan creation? What’s the thinking behind that bit of fiction?
Dick Cheney, took the vice presidency in the original coup. He is now against his legacy, Donald Trump, who tried to do the same. I find that ironic. But still a positive development.
“Dick Cheney, took the vice presidency [twice] in the original coup.”
1.When named to find a candidate for vp, he named himself.
2. In the chad fight.
Exactly my Point. Cheney moved early and paid a heavy price.
But Vance was as much trying to change the public’s perception of him in preparation for 2028 as he was supporting the head of the ticket.
It feels like the exodus is beginning in earnest, with more and more Republicans endorsing Harris.
What “heavy” price did Cheney pay?
I’ve worked through the obvious ones so far. I’m about 40 pages in:
P1 Steve Bannon
P2 iCampaign Manager Trump 2020, Bill Stepien
P8 Chief of Staff for VP Mike Pence, Marc Short
P16 Arizona Governor, Doug Ducey
P17 Georgia Governor, Brian Kemp
P18 Arizona Speaker of the House, Rusty Bowers
P21 might be Mark Meadows
P25 Gabriel Sterling
P26 is Georgia Attorney General, Chris Carr
P29 Georgia election worker, Wandrea Shaye Moss
P30 Georgia election worker, Ruby Freeman (Moss’ mother)
P33 Georgia Secretary of State, Brad Raffensperger
P37 Michigan Senate Majority Leader, Mike Shirkey
P38 Michigan House Of Representatives Speaker, Lee Chatfield
P39 Republican National Committee Chair, Ronna McDaniel
P43 Republican National Committee Chief Counsel, Justin Riemer
P46 Chair of the Pennsylvania Republican Party, Lawrence Tabas
Thank you so much!
Yes! Thank you SO much, burnitclean!
Excellent. I flew through the doc, and enjoyed a later section featuring:
P52 – Bill Barr
P51 Tucker Carlson
ty!!!!! Harpie also pointed out that P9 may be Eric Herschmann https://x.com/chrisgeidner/status/1841575878746165726
One of my sources suggest P9 is WH lawyer Greg Jacob. I’m not sure which is correct.
There are a few comments above which indicate it’s most likely HERSCHMANN, but just something I happened to see in my travels [I haven’t read one whole page yet [arrgggg]]:
I just don’t think that’s JACOB.
It’s definitely Eric Herschmann. Greg Jacob did not meet Jared Kushner as a child, Herschmann did. Greg Jacob was not part of the first impeachment defense team, Herschmann was.
CC2 might be John Eastman.
I agree!
Yes. Clear as you continue reading.
Reading Marcy’s Xitter thread…
Two Georgia Senators [don’t know which is which]
P27 Perdue
P28 Loeffler
Marcy has P19 as Christina Bobb
You folks are incredible. Thank you.
Yes, P18 “Speaker of the Arizona House of Representatives” is Russell Bowers, and P19 “a Campaign staffer who worked with CC6” is Christina Bobb.
The relevant Trump retweet, Dec 4, 2020: https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1335462365370994689
Marcy:
P10 will be ELLIS [added not sure]
11/19/20 GUILIANI / POWELL / ELLIS News Conference: false election claims
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1329472200898994181
12:10 PM · Nov 19, 2020
added: huh…Marcy’s got P12 as ELLIS [above]
Who is the other person in the PHOTO at Rupar’s Xeet?
P50 [CISA Director] Chris KREBS [fired on 11/17/20]
Person 10 is Joe diGenova [Marcy’s got that, too above]
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/30/politics/joe-digenova-attorney-trump-campaign-chris-krebs-violence/index.html
Updated 7:55 PM EST, Tue December 1, 2020
CapitolHunters is also doing a Xitter THREAD:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1841583097763991896?refresh=1727917592
4:56 PM · Oct 2, 2024
P45 Dan SCAVINO
P3 Justin CLARK
https://bsky.app/profile/gabrielmalor.bsky.social/post/3l5klvxidts2b
October 2, 2024 at 4:41 PM
See this Kyle Cheney THREAD
https://x.com/kyledcheney/status/1610479413044314113
10:33 PM · Jan 3, 2023
P2 is probably Brad Parscale
(described as defendant’s “Campaign manager” on page 5)
Whoops… I retract this.
It seems that Bill Stepien was promoted to campaign manager on July 15, 2020, taking over from Parscale, so he probably is P2.
Brad Parscale then went through some sort of rough patch, and stepped down from his Trump campaign position around the end of Sept 2020. (NPR article about it)
No, not Parscale because he was replaced as the campaign manager on July 15, 2020, by Bill Stepien.
Cool. I’ll take a look at the pdf. If it’s editable, make a script that replaces the redacted name with the real name from the supplied list.
Check on P46; I believe it is Bernie Keirk.
Here is a list from Daily Kos (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/10/2/2274391/-First-draft-identifying-all-the-redacted-players-based-on-public-records-and-Gemini-Pro)
Alias Person Role
P1 Steve Bannon
P2 Bill Stephen Campaign Manager
P3 Justin Clark Deputy Campaign Manager
P4 Jason Miller Senior Campaign Advisor
P5 Michael Roman Campaign Staffer
P6 Roger Stone DJT Advisor
P7 Mark Meadows WH COS
P8 Marc Short Pence COS
P9 Greg Jacob Pence Counsel
P10 Joseph DiGenova
P11 Victoria Toensing
P12 Jenna Ellis DJT Lawyer
P13 Jared Kushner DJT SIL
P14 Ivanka Trump DJT Daughter
P15 Nicholas Luna WH Aide
P16 Doug Ducey AZ Governor
P17 Brian Kemp GA Governor
P18 Rusty Bowers AZ House Speaker
P19 Liz Harington Campaign Spokesperson
P20 Kory Langhofer Bowers’ Lawyer
P21 Mark Meadows WH COS
P22 Brad Raffensberger GA SOS
P23 Cleta Mitchell DJT Lawyer
P24 Jacki Pick
P25 Gabriel Sterling GA Official
P26 Christopher Carr GA AG
P27 David Perdue GA Senator
P28 Kelly Loeffler GA Senator
P29 Ruby Freeman GA Election Worker
P30 Shaye Moss GA Election Worker
P31 Kurt Hilbert DJT Lawyer in GA
P32 Ray Smith III DJT Lawyer
P33 Brad Raffensberger GA SOS
P34 Ryan Germany GA Deputy SOS
P35 Alex Kaufman Raffensberger General Counsel
P36 Robert Cheerly DJT Lawyer
P37 Mike Shirkey MI Senate Majority Leader
P38 Lee Chatfield MI House Speaker
P39 Ronna McDaniel RNC Chairperson
P40
P41 Scott Gragson NV Operative
P42 Molly Michael DJT EA
P43 Justin Reimer RNC Chief Counsel
P44 Sophia Lai RNC Spokesperson
P45 Dan Scavino DJT Media Director
P46 Bernie Keirk PA Republican Party Chair
P47 Al Schmidt Philadelphia City Commisioner
P48 Michael Coudrey Online Figure
P49 Brian Hagedom WI Supreme Court Justice
P50 Chris Krebs CISA Director
P51 Tucker Carlson Foz News Host
P52 William Barr AG
P53 Kelli Ward AZ GOP Chair
P54 Hannah Salem DJT Campaign Staffer
P55 Boris Epshteyn DJT Advisor
P56 Cleta Mitchell DJT Lawyer
P57 Lou Barletta PA Elector (Former Congresmen)
P58 Greg Jacob Pence Counsel
P59 Pat Cipollone WH Counsel
P60 Kayleigh McEnany WH Press Secretary
P61 Karen Fann AZ Senate President
P62 Ken Paxton Texas AG
P63 Eric Schmitt MO AG
P64 Caroline Wren J6 Rally Organizer
P65 Julie Fancelli J6 Rally Funder
P66 Dustin Stockton J6 Rally Organizer
P67 Shealah Craighead WH Photographer
P68 Raheem Kassam Commentator
P69 Peter Navarro WH Trade Advisor
P70 Ivan Raiklin Operative
P71 Eric Herschmann Deputy WH Counsel
P72 Pam Bondi DJT Campaign Adviser
P73 Dan Scavino WH Staffer
P74 Rudy Guiliani DJT Lawyer
P75
P76 Sydney Powell DJT Lawyer
P77 WH Counsel Ethics
CC1 Rudy Guiliani DJT Lawyer
CC2 John Eastman DJT Lawyer
CC3 Sidney Powell DJT Lawyer
CC4
CC5 Kenneth Cheesboro
CC6 Jeffrey Clark DOJ Official
P57 Lou Barletta PA Elector (Former Congresmen)
p. 53 describes P57 as “a former U.S. Representative and U.S. Attorney … who opted out of the [fake elector] plan” — that’s Thomas Marino, who was also a U.S. Attorney and opted out of the plan. Barletta was a former U.S. Representative but not a U.S. Attorney and he was a fake elector.
P54 Hannah Salem DJT Campaign Staffer
I think this is Tim Murtaugh, who was on the “certifying illegal votes” text message thread with P3 Justin Clark/P4 Jason Miller/P9 Eric Herschmann, per https://www.newsweek.com/arizona-gold-fake-electors-trump-allies-indictment-1894131
The former President’s campaign knew what was coming because his attorneys had seen the filing. The Harris/Walz campaign seems to have had accurate anticipation of what was going to happen. Its not about a minor brag about assaulting women, its about something everyone in the US experienced together.
I am waiting Ms. Wheeler’s further comments, though its late in Ireland.
“The Harris/Walz campaign seems to have had accurate anticipation of what was going to happen.”
Pretty sure VP Harris’ background gave her the chops to accurately anticipate what was going to happen.
Marcy’s working through it on Xitter. Here she is on the ThreadReaderApp:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1841584763024638217.html
5:03 PM · Oct 2, 2024
Added: It’s only one Xeet so far, though.
There is more visible now.
Only got to page 51 so far and am stuck on the thought that Trump is just not a strategic thinker.
For example, if during Covid he had said yes, it’s difficult but we can get through it together, like W’s “Speech on the Rubble” after 9/11, Trump would have been re-elected.
If he had conceded after his loss, he would have the power without the constraints of the presidency.
All Presidents have a bit of narcissism and sociopathy, (how could they not?) But, and I’ve obviously spent WAY too much time thinking about him, he is just incapable of thinking beyond and immediate “win” in order to achieve a longer term goal.
I’ve chewed and spit up folks like this up in business many times.
Of course,
Possibly related: deteriorating capacity to plan and sequence events is a feature of frontotemporal dementia.
Wrt all presidents having a bit of narcissism and sociopathy — you actually wrote that this week when Jimmy Carter turned 100? O_o
Trump’s lack of strategic thinking pre-dates the deterioration we are witnessing, in real time, today. For example, when he opened his second casino in AC, it was highly leveraged. So leveraged, in fact, his money men told him the carrying costs were so high that he would have to cannibalize his existing casino’s market share in order to carry the loan. A person who cannot foresee the impacts of decisions, good or bad, is not a strategic thinker.
Perhaps, though, you were reacting more to my opinion that US Presidents are inherently narcissistic. In my opinion, narcissism, and a bit of sociopathy are necessary traits to stand for President of the United States. How could they not be? Leader of the most powerful country on the planet? It takes a lot of ego to think that you are the rightful person to have that job.
Even beloved Jimmy Carter, if his wife is to be believed, indicated that he was a bit of a handful. His daughter was treated horribly by the press and others,in his term, but he ran a second time anyway.
Yes, Carter is an excellent former President. As an American I am proud to be related to him in citizenship. If I had to quantify, though, I would put Mr. Carter at 20% narcissist 80% empathetic. Trump, 100%, narcissist, (pathologically so).
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True, without covid trump would have been re-elected in a landslide.
You express a thought I’ve had about narcissism and self-regard in pols. So I haven’t found complaints about trump’s narcissism to be enlightening or helpful. What I see in him is what I think you see: the classic con artist, whose payoff is less in loot than in a rush of euphoria from besting the mark in the moment.
I was able to easily identify about 20 just from stuff I learned reading Emptywheel these past months. What stands out to me is how much time and attention Trump was devoting to this when he was ostensibly supposed to be running the country. Also no mention of Chuck Grassley and his claim that he might be presiding over the proceedings if Pence were for some reason not available. I can also see why Trump’s team is so anxious to get the Pence stuff thrown out as part of the “official acts.”
That Grassley stuff drives me NUTS. We’ll probably never find out how deeply he was involved in these shenanigans… because ***Senator***.
Regarding Grassley, when he made that statement, whether he thought the fix was in or not (and if the latter, it may have been to intimidate Pence into folding), he then reversed his statement minutes later, which signals to me that the lawyer buried in his brainpan started screaming about his exposure should the chips fall as they eventually did.
Grassley isn’t that smart. He was so thrilled about standing in for Pence that he blurted it out to the media. Within seconds someone was on the phone telling him to retract it immediately! It was supposed to be secret. They didn’t want Pence to know they were planning to replace him. Grassley spilled the beans and alerted Pence in the process.
If this conjecture or speculation, please say so.
If it’s fact, provide supporting documentation to back your statement.
It’s worth remembering that when Trump was spending so much time, people like Maggie Haberman knew something was up. If they didn’t have the details, it was because they weren’t asking questions.
It’s similar to what happened in the early months of 2020 when nutjob Covid deniers were roaming the White House and talking to Trump about how it was all fake and at most a few Americans would die. Insider reporters like Haberman knew weird stuff was happening, but decided it wasn’t a story and focused instead on rumors like what Hope Hicks might be doing. Tens of thousands of people died because the alarms were slow to ring.
As with the governments other filings, I appreciate the straight-forward language. From p. 46:
(The roots and consequences of this foray were also covered by media – here’s a link from Time, Dec. 15, 2021.)
I want to know why Chuck Grassley believed HE would be the one presiding over the electoral vote count.
Old man Ego? Like tfg?
Giuliani? Bannon? Last kick at the can? The losers always come back if they can. Look at Europe.
Believes whatever his staff tells him?
I’ve read that Grassley’s staff pretty much controls his operation and has for some time, making decisions and priming him to promote their ideas.
Which are not, by and large, beneficial to most citizens.
Great minds think alike
Case in point – Trump.
The losers come back championing the fringe, down on ‘others’, women, the poor, the intellectual, ‘experts’ – it’s been the playbook in Russia since Putin showed up, adopted by Hungary, Belarus, and more. The GOP, outnumbered, has adopted it. Recognize this, it’s an old playbook playing out in America.
I wonder if Nunes is numbered.
https: // abovethelaw.com/2024/10/the-devin-nunes-defamation-juggernaut-runs-aground/
If Pence was thinking of ducking out (and thus not having to face the wrath of Trump and his minions), Grassley would have been the constitutional officer to preside over the Senate.
This isn’t a conspiracy thing, nor something specific to counting the electoral college votes on January 6; it’s written into the constitution and rules of the Senate that if the VP is not present, the President Pro Tem (Grassley, in this case) presides or appoints someone to preside.
Of course. But why did Grassley think Pence was going to recuse? Did Pence tell him that? Or did others say he would be… “made unavailable”?
Read Chesebro’s wiki again. Pretty sure Pence didn’t tell Grassley. Some combination of Epshteyn, Giuliani, Chesebro and Eastman, I think.
I’m not sure why, but I’ve always thought that Senator Grassley knew Mike Pence wouldn’t be available to preside over the electoral vote certification. The question being how would he know that?
Grassley was/is not a reliable actor, especially were he to have replaced Pence. After all the work Pence did to try to find a way to give Trump what he wanted, and coming up empty, even with Dan Quayle, I suspect he knew that about Grassley.
We talked about [CC5] CHESEBRO’s President of the Senate theory here:
https://www.emptywheel.net/2022/05/31/the-bell-can-never-be-unrung-the-five-times-durhams-prosecutors-flouted-judge-coopers-orders/#comment-938918
Marcy had retweeted a Kyle Cheney THREAD:
I don’t know any more than anyone else, but right now I’m thinking about how Pence refused to be transported away from the Capitol by SS, fearing he might not return.
That got stuck in my memory, too. I wonder if Pence ever was asked about his motives to stay and/or what he said about his reasons.
I recall seeing an Interview with Pence (I’m afraid I’m unable to recollect where for the moment thus give a reference)
Wherein Pence relates wavering over the Xmas period about presiding over the Count. He described that resulted in an heartfelt discussion with his son, and his son in essence calling him to duty.
I have a feeling that this anecdote maybe in Pence’s book, and the interview was shortly following it’s publication.
That interview also discussed his determination to remain at the Capitol as a determination for him to ensure his duty was done.
If I am right, it is interesting that the two events were linked in his mind in this way; suggesting the unspoken premise that there was another who would not perform the duty in the same way.
Grassley was told in strictest confidence that he would be standing in for Pence and that he would be the one presiding over the count and ensuring that Trump was reelected. He understood that the plan to reelect Trump was a big secret but didn’t realise his part in it was also supposed to be secret. The problem was that he was so thrilled to be standing in for Pence that he blurted it out to the media, much to the alarm of the plotters at the White House. They rang him immediately and told him to retract his statement but it was too late. Pence was now alerted to their plans to sideline him. The intention was to send him overseas on some urgent errand but Pence was determined to ensure he was in DC on Jan 6. He knew Grassley would do anything he was told and he wasn’t about to let him take over. I’m sure Jack Smith knows all about it. Grassley’s proposed role was moot in the end.
If this conjecture or speculation, please say so.
If it’s fact, provide supporting documentation to back your statement.
I don’t see this as some kind of ‘October surprise’ – it’s not about the election, it’s about the rule of law and the current SC. Jack Smith didn’t whine, he adjusted to the reality of the SC such as it is, moved forward, undeterred.
He’s a champion.
We all need to be such.
It’s about the rule of law, sure. Smith is a non-whiny mensch—check.
Make no mistake, though—this filing is the very definition of an October Surprise.
Screams volumes.
Pence refused to comply with plan to overturn the 2020 election. Trump told him, “You’re too honest.”
In other words, won’t lie, won’t go along to get along. Trump has taken America down into the world of Germany 1930’s –
the ‘just go along with it.’
Vance upset he was fact checked, proven a liar, on live tv? The man took it as an insult, an affront. How dare you?
What do you suppose will happen if the likes of him and his boss take power?
No one will ever accuse Vance of being too honest.
I’m wondering if Donnie knows that Vance is going to try taking him out at the first opportunity.
All Vance would have to do is let nature take its course, but he might join the Don over a few extra happy meals. Odds are Vance would be president by the end of year two.
or even honest too! maybe ; )
Replying to:
P J Evans October 2, 2024 at 11:35 pm
“I’m wondering if Donnie knows that Vance is going to try taking him out at the first opportunity.”
Trump doesn’t dine out. Vance will bring him Big Macs with extra cheese and extra special sauce at his first opportunity.
Today’s GOP isn’t just dishonest. They Diss-honesty.
A list of the actors at
https://x.com/ArtCandee/status/1841633655430775166/photo/1
better to have them in a text form rather than an image
Thank you. I’ll try to transcribe.
Voila – (current version of Preview will extract text from a png):
CC1 – Rudy Guiliani
CC2 – John Eastman – Trump lawyer
CC3 – Sidney Powell Trump lawyer
CC4 – Jeffery Clark – DOJ Official
CC5 – Kenneth Chesebro – Drafted fake elector memos
CC6 – Boris Epshteyn – Private campaign advisor
P1 – Steve Bannon
P2 – Bill Stepien – Campaign Manager
P3 – Justin Clark – Deputy Campaign Manager
P4 – Jason Miller – Senior Campaign Advisor
P5 – Michael Roman – Campaign staffer -disrupting vote counts
P6 – Roger Stone – Longtime Trump advisor
P7 – Mark Meadows – White House Chief of Staff
P8 – Mark Short – Pence Chief of staff
P9 – Greg Jacob White House Lawyer
P10 – Joseph DiGenova – Lawyer
P11 – Victoria Toensing – Lawyer
P12 – Jenna Ellis – Trump Lawyer
P13 – Jared Kushner – Trump’s son-in-law
P14 – Ivanka Trump – Trump’s daughter
P15 – Assistant to the President and Director of Oval Office Operations – Nicholas F. Luna
P16 – Arizona Gov Doug Ducey
P17 – Brian Kemp – Georgia Governor
P18 – Rusty Bowers – AZ House Speaker
P19 – Christina Bobb – Campaign Staffer
P20 – Kory Langhofer – Bowers’ lawyer
P21 – Mark Meadows – White House Chief of Staff
P22 – Brad Raffensperger – Georgia Secretary of State
P23 – Cleta Mitchell – Trump’s lawyer
P24 – Jacki Pick – presented misleading footage
P25 – Gabriel Sterling – GA official
P26 – Georgia Attorney General Chris Carr
P27 – U.S. Senator David Purdue
P28 – U.S. Senator Kelly Loeffler
P29 – Ruby Freeman – GA election worker- falsely accused
P30 – Shaye Moss – GA election worker- Freeman’s daughter
P31 – Kurt Hilbert – Trump’s lawyer in GA
P32 – Ray Smith III – Trump’s lawyer in Trump v. Kemp
P33 – Brad Raffensperger – GA Secretary of State
P34 – Ryan Germany – GA Deputy Secretary of State
P35 – Alex Kaufman – Raffensperger’s general counsel
P36 – Robert Cheeley – Trump lawyer on GA call
P37 – Mike Shirkey – MI Senate Majority Leader
P38 – Lee Chatfield – MI House Speaker
P39 – RNC Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel
P41 – Scott Gragson – NV operative assisting in MI
P42 – Molly Michael – Trump’s executive assistant
P43 – Justin Riemer – RNC Chief Counsel
P44 – Sophia Lai – RNC spokesperson
P45 – Dan Scavino – Trump’s social media director
P46 – Bernie Kerik – PA Republican Party Chair
P47 – Al Schmidt – Philadelphia City Commissioner
P48 – Michael Coudrey – Pro-Trump online figure
P49 – Brian Hagedorn – WI Supreme Court Justice
P50 – Chris Krebs – CISA Director
P51 – Tucker Carlson – Fox News host
P52 – William Barr – Attorney General
P53 – Kelli Ward – AZ GOP Chair, fake elector scheme
P54 – Hannah Salem – Trump campaign staffer
P55 – Boris Epshteyn – Trump advisor
P56 – Cleta Mitchell – Trump lawyer
P57 – Lou Barletta – Former Congressman, PA elector
P58 – Greg Jacob – Pence’s Counsel
P59 – Pat Cipollone – White House counsel
P60 – Kayleigh McEnany – WH Press Secretary
P61 – Karen Fann – AZ Senate President
P62 – Ken Paxton – TX Attorney General
P63 – Eric Schmitt – MO Attorney General
P64 – Caroline Wren – Jan 6 rally organizer
P65 – Julie Fancelli – Jan 6 rally funder
P66 – Dustin Stockton – Jan 6 rally organizer
P67 – Shealah Craighead – WH photographer
P68 – Raheem Kassam – Conservative commentator
P69 – Peter Navarro – WH trade advisor
P70 – Jenna Ellis – Trump lawyer
P71 – Eric Herschmann – Deputy WH Counsel
P72 – Pam Bondi – Trump Campaign advisor
P73 – Dan Scavino – WH staffer
P74 – Rudy Giuliani – Trump’s lawyer
P75 – Unknown
P76 – Sidney Powell – Trump’s lawyer
Brandi Buchman thinks P46 is Lawrence Tabas: https://x.com/Brandi_Buchman/status/1841650140190273999
I don’t know enough to confirm if she’s correct, though.
I believe P48 is actually Bernard Kerik.
On page 131 of the filing, it says
This archive of Trump’s tweets from that day mentions at 05:56:40 a “RT @BernardKerik: RT @BernardKerik: These are the four cowardice Pennsylvania legislators that intend to allow the Democrat machine to #StealtheVote! #Coward…”
And it looks like this was the original tweet by Bernard Kerik.
P68 is probably incorrect. I believe P68 is actually Mike Flynn, because of this description on page 133:
This archive of Trump’s tweets on Nov 30, 2020 includes one at 01:05:11 UTC attacking 60 Minutes (the mentioned “P50 Tweet”, about Chris Kreb’s interview on 60 Minutes) and then about 20 minutes later, a tweet at 01:25:50 UTC that says simply: “GREAT NEWS! Is Fake News @60Minutes watching this?” followed by this link: https://t.co/v9T2MUmGss which is to a tweet by “General Mike Flynn” that says:
P57 is probably not Lou Barletta. Various sources say Barletta participated in the fake-electors plot, but page 53 of Smith’s immunity filing describes P57 like this:
Apparently there is another Pennsylvania former U.S. Rep who was also a U.S. Attorney, and who was “Slated to sign [as a fake elector] but replaced”, and that is Tom Marino.
Edit: here’s another article listing Marino as one of the Trump electors who “backed out of the plan as discussions turned toward submitting themselves as false electors”.
DavidStarr – Thanks for doing the work on that!
dopefish – Thanks for all of the corrections / additions!
I’m sure there will be some further changes before it’s finalized, but it’s much easier for me at least to work with it in this format. We should also compare and integrate burnitclean‘s list above.
As Midtowngirl deduced [“bullsh*t!”] and WilliamOckham proved above,
P9 is definitely HERSCHMANN.
While CC3 is definitely Sidney Powell just wondering why she would also be listed as P76.
You have:
P31 – Kurt Hilbert – Trump’s lawyer in GA
P32 – Ray Smith III – Trump’s lawyer in Trump v. Kemp
P34 – Ryan Germany – GA Deputy Secretary of State
P35 – Alex Kaufman – Raffensperger’s general counsel
P36 – Robert Cheeley – Trump lawyer on GA call
I have:
P31 = Cleta Mitchell
P32 = Kurt R. Hilbert
P34 = GA Lt. Gov. Geoff Duncan
P35 = GA Secretary of State General Counsel Ryan Germany
P36 = Alex Kaufman of Fox Rothschild
See p. 29, from the Raffensperger call: (1) “Okay, thank you very much. Hello P33 and P35 and everybody.” From the call transcript: “Okay, thank you very much. Hello Brad and Ryan and everybody.”
(2) “Joining the defendant on the call were Chief of Staff P21 and three private attorneys–P32 and P36 counsel of record in Trump v. Kemp and the attorneys whom CC2 had emailed about the defendants false verification, and P31 whom P21 introduced on the call as someone ‘who is not the attorney of record but has been involved.'”
The call transcript says: “You also have the attorneys that represent the president, Kurt and Alex and Cleta Mitchell — who is not the attorney of record but has been involved — myself and then the president.”
P31 is Cleta Mitchell, who was introduced on the call in that manner.
P32 is Kurt Hilbert, who is described on p. 27 as “P32 lead counsel for the defendant as candidate in Trump v. Kemp”.
I think P36 = Alex Kaufman, since he was the Alex on the call, even though he denies being counsel for Trump (and he and his father subsequently resigned from Fox Rothschild after he was identified as the Alex on the call). I’ve seen several legends that assign P36 to Robert Cheeley, but he’s not referenced in the call transcript.
I’m pretty sure some of those are wrong.
P31 is definitely Cleta Mitchell, not Kurt Hilbert. Kurt is actually P32. P33 is Brad Raffensperger, P34 is Geoff Duncan, P35 is Ryan Germany, and P36 is “Alex” (another “counsel of record in Trump v. Kemp” with Kurt).
My source is the CNN transcript of the Raffensperger-Trump call:
Edit: forgot my source for P34 being Geoff Duncan, which is this Trump tweet (see page 27)
Further confirmation that P32 is Kurt Hilbert, can be found on page 110:
CNN’s transcript of that Raffensperger-Trump call shows it was Hilbert who said the quoted bits.
Ahhh, I think I was wrong about P36 being “Alex” (“Alex” from the call transcript probably refers to Alex Kaufman, but I think I was mistaken about him being a counsel of record in that Trump v. Kemp case).
https://www.atlantajewishtimes.com/alex-kaufman-speaks-out-about-trumps-call-to-ga-secretary-of-state/
On an iPad I just copied and pasted the list into the Notes app. You could probably copy and paste it into Pages as well. It can then be edited in either app.
That list incorrectly says P22 is Brad Raffensperger, but P22 was described as “a Campaign attorney” on page 22.
That list also says P30 is Shaye Moss, but I think P30 is actually her mother Ruby Freeman. My sources are (1) this WaPo article from June 21, 2022 and (2) the CNN article with the audio of that Raffensperger-Trump phone call.
Aha.. page 25, talking about Rudy on Dec 10 says “He then named two election workers–P29 and her mother, P30–and baselessly accused them of…”
That pretty much confirms that P29 is Shaye Moss and P30 is her mother Ruby Freeman.
October
surpriseanvil dropOne could almost add a few supreme court justices as CCs, given the appalling criminality they tried to immunize.
Odds are the Supreme Court is not through trying to immunize Donald Trump.
Perhaps I’m dreaming, but after the DC circuit gets through with the first appeal, what are the odds that the SC says – this is not yet ripe for consideration, and passes until the trial is done? Is that even possible?
Sure it’s possible, but the odds are somewhere between nil and none. The Supreme Court’s majority doesn’t want a trial about these facts in open court any more than Trump does.
If Trump loses (and SCOTUS doesn’t install him anyway, through corrupt means) what would be their motivation to keep protecting him?
If he’s not their POTUS puppet, what value does he have?
Yes, that occurred to me too. Once the election is over and Trump loses, the corrupt justices on SCOTUS no longer have any self-interest in protecting him.
Not his value so much as that of a good number among the supporting cast whose reckoning has not yet occurred, but could be effectively forestalled by making this case non-prosecutable.
Agree. And this is why the election is not just about President of the United States (POTUS) but about a clean sweep of Congress so that legislation can be passed and not obstructed by a pro-Putin GOP in Congress. The current Republican party remains a threat to the integrity of the US. We need a new party to replace it. If a clean sweep, then passing legislation to reform Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS), stop term limits, end Gerrymandering and the Electoral College as well as the Filibuster must be entertained. Yes, we have the Constitution but we must also remember the critical change in context of what America was and what it is now. I also feel that the POTUS should not be immune from criminality– or else we are back to having a King.
That list looks pretty solid. Rudy is clearly CC1, not sure why he’d also be P74. And P1 is obviously Bannon. Why he is not a co-conspirator since SC Smith makes clear Bannon was involved from at least October and at the nexus of Trump, the “legal” coup team, the media propagandists, and the MAGA-Supremacist groups.
Be careful with it though, I’m pretty sure there are at least a few mistakes on that list, and accuracy is important here.
That list says P7 is Mark Meadows, but that needs some corroboration I think. P7 was described on page 5 as “a White House staffer and Campaign volunteer”. Whereas P21 was identified as “Chief of Staff” on page 22, so P21 clearly does refer to Mark Meadows.
I wondered if P7 might be Kellyanne? I agree it can’t be Mark Meadows because he’s definitely P21.
Could ? (P7) be Cassidy Hutchinson? For sure, a WH staffer, and I assume she worked on the Campaign as well.
Another incorrect name from that list: it says P44 is “Sophia Lai – RNC spokesperson”.
I think P44 might actually be Liz Harrington, who Justin Riemer (P43) was reported as writing to (to criticize the efforts of Giuliani and Ellis) on Nov. 28, 2019 in this WaPo story by Josh Dawsey on July 12, 2021.
Oops — on Nov 28, 2020*, right after the election. Sigh
Ha ha. That list claims P9 to be “Greg Jacob – White house lawyer”.
This is clearly incorrect, for two reasons:
(1) P9 is definitely Eric Herschmann. For example, see this tweet last year by Kyle Cheney which showed that it was Herschmann who replied to a text messsage from P4 that said “Star Wars bar”, with the reply “Certifying illegal votes.” Now see page 53 of Jack Smith’s filing today which attributed that reply to P9.
(2) Even if we didn’t know P9 was Herschmann, Greg Jacob was Mike Pence’s legal counsel at the time, and warned him against participating in this crazy plot of Eastman’s. Just reading the actions attributed to P9 in Smith’s filing, makes it obvious P9 isn’t Jacob.
P58 clearly is Greg Jacob, though. Page 69 says
This has been previously reported (e.g. this article at factcheck.org) as something Greg Jacob said to Eastman.
Adding to Dopefish’s corrections list: fyi – P7 is a “she” WH staffer & campaign volunteer (Alyssa Farrah Griffin or Sarah Mathews or Cassidy Hutchison???) and is mentioned on pgs.155, 147, 44, 45
JUST FOCUSSING ON ATTORNEYS besides
– CoConspirators 1,2,3,4,5 and 6:
+ P9 is Eric Herschman — CONFIRMED DUE TO MISTAKE IN REDACTIONS — pg. 149, 4th line from bottom of page
– P10,11,12 Marcy IDs as DiGenova, Toensing, & Jenna Ellis, respectively
+ P20 Rusty Bower’s attorney, as DavidStarr notes
+ P22 is Alex Cannon, I’ve inferred from Politico article. P73 tells Herschman that P22 can be trusted, pg. 152.
– P23 is Ray Smith III, I confirmed by FN 100, pg. 21 Georgia election hearing testimony at 30:54,
backed up to here to get the witness’ identity
– P24, as asserted above, could indeed by Jacki Pick Deason, but GA attorney Robert Cheeley did the same at a GA hearing (IDed by the NYTimes as occurring on Dec. 30, though). see P74 below.
– P31 is Cleta Mitchell, corrected above
= P32 is Kurt Hilbert, confirmed on p. 110 & above
+ P35 is Ga SoS attn. Ryan Germany – misnumbered in DavidStarr’s first comprehensive list above, by one slot (P34 is Geoff Duncan, Ga Lt. Gov at the time)
= P36 is Alex Kaufmann as DopeFish corrects in 12:24 post
+ P43 Justin Reimer, RNC Counsel
+ P46 is Lawrence Tabas, Brandi Buchman assets, as Dopefish notes at 3:36a
~ P53 is Jack Wilenchek, I matched to
NY Times article
~ P55 & 56 are two “Star Wars Bar” attorneys that even Jason Miller would not trust enough to hire, see pg. 151, who could be in header of email in the NYTimes article just above. P56 attends meeting on pg. 151 at Va campaign headquarters with others, but P55 does not.
+ P57 is Tom Marino, confirmed above
+ P58 Greg Jacob, Pence Attn, noted above
+ P59 Pat Cipillone, WH Counsel
– P70 is Ivan Raiklin, according to X.com account of John Kruzel, a Campaign surrogate who had posted a facially fake White House legal brief/memorandum titled “Operation ‘PENCE’ CARD”
+ P71 Pat Philbin, Deputy WH Counsel
+ P72 is Matt Morgan, I think, though DavidStarr asserts to be Pam Bondi (Fla, AG). On pg. 151, P72 gives Herschman a “tutorial on campaign basics and operations,” and is repeatedly mentioned along with P3, who is campaign attorney & Deputy Campaign Manager Justin Clark (see Politico article linked above)
= P73 is not IDed as a lawyer, but on pg. 152 is the “campaign staffer” whom lawyer Eric Herschman asks if P22 (Alex Cannon, I believe) was someone Herschman “could trust.”
– P74 might be Robert Cheeley, but the
NY Times says he testified on Dec. 30th, not Dec. 10th, as specified on pgs. 152-153.
= P75 is Managing Director of Simpatico or Berkeley Research (pg. 153), companies hired by the Trump Campaign to research election fraud (might not be an attn).
= P76 might be Jay Sekulow??? pg. 13 says he is Trump’s private attorney who “was not optimistic about the election challenges.”
+ P77, pg. 151 identifies as the WH Counsel’s office person “who handled ethics issues”
Attorneys General:
+ P52 Barr
– P62 Paxton (Tx)
– P63 Schmidt (MS, now US Senator)
+ P26 Carr (GA)
Judge:
+ P49 Brian Hagedorn, WI SC Justice
LawFare reports P7 to be Hope Hicks, they believe.
Agree that Eric Herschmann (P9)** is Eric Herschmann. See page 11 of Smith brief where Eric Herschmann (P9)** described as “began working in the WH as an assistant to the President in August 2020.”
Google states re Herschmann:
In office August 3, 2020 – January 20, 2021 Serving with Jared Kushner, Stephen Miller
That was a lovely read.
Thank you!
Mr. Smith certainly is an asset. Very interesting. I’m sure Trump and co. are a tad pissed Mr. Smith sees the two roles, personal and presidential.
This blog is better than any movie or t.v. show
Just a thought concerning filling in the blanks. Often, the first time a redaction is done, the first and last names of the person are used. Subsequently, only the surname is used. Hence, any proposed name has to fit in the blacked out space when written in Times New Roman at 12 point size. We are not going to fit Hippopotamus Mississippi into a black box that is only four characters wide.
Early on (page 12), there are “two expert consulting firms” mentioned as C1, C2, C3. These have not been identified in the list above.
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It appears that C1 and C2 are Simpatico and Berkeley Research Group, although which is which is not clear.
Ken Block is the founder of Simpatico Software Systems, no?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2024/01/02/trump-lies-voter-fraud-2020-impact-2024-election/72057016007/
The latest motion by Trump’s lawyers:
The filing ends with
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149.253.0_1.pdf
LOL!
At the bottom of page 7 of Judge Chutkan’s order unsealing this filing, she puts Trump’s lawyers on notice:
IANAL but I predict that if they keep doing that crap, Trump’s lawyers will be sanctioned before this case is over.
YES! :-) CHUTKAN has had a LOT of crap to wade through, and it seems to me she’s been quite [almost too] patient…but it looks like TRUMP et al’s schtick is [finally] wearing thin.
And Marcy includes it in the discussion here:
https://www.emptywheel.net/2024/10/03/the-immunity-brief-how-we-got-here-where-were-going/
Ed, Marcy and Peterr are discussing this at the next post:
https://www.emptywheel.net/2024/10/03/john-roberts-sordid-legacy-14-pages-of-mean-tweets/#comment-1072848
Before reading Smith’s filing, the sidebar index item, “Trump’s use of Twitter,” by its title strikes me that having Whitehouse.gov, for official acts and describing them, Twitter is individualized use, for whining and attacking. as Trump did, and is wholly unofficial. Nothing about Twitter is Presidential, it is a glorified community bulletin board. Gloified by size, not depth. Some may disagree. It offers timeliness and wide circulation for those posting there. Elon made it “X” with less censorship. Dorsey has now moved to crypto to build more phantom wealth to go with dollars and built energy sucking infrastructure – link, e.g., https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2023/10/05/jack-dorseys-block-unveils-new-bitcoin-hardware-wallet/
I am perplexed by the collective legal expertise about who is who in this court filing. It is not the collection of amoral actors labelled anonymously, it is the actors who are not in the document.
I have called a noob on this website because I don’t comprehend some of the blow hard ritual of our legal system, but I really gotta laugh here.
It is like watching a bunch of football fans talk about the super bowl, the data for each player, and the predicted outcome of the game. All the while the damn fucking football game is fixed by the aristocrats to ensure that you watch another commercial about “better car insurance”.
The way this entire process is playing out, from the supreme court on down, is a blatant display of aristocratic control of our legal system to benefit about 1,000 rich families in this nation. The ultra wealthy own the legal system. They are going to prop up this clown to weaken governance, weak government equals strong marketplace.
We have two legal systems in this nation, one for the rich and one for the poor. Like, duh, if brain dead moron presidential candidate is convicted, he won’t go to jail. But, someone jumping a subway ticket gate gets their head blown off.
You just spent 215 words complaining while chewing up valuable comment real estate.
Don’t do this. It’s unhelpful.
“We have two legal systems in this nation, one for the rich and one for the poor.”
I think you’re slightly missing the point; just delete the word “legal”.
If you’re rich you can live your entire life in “systems” not accessible to the poor.
(Sorry Rayne)
Perhaps we can all edit this together:
https://docs. google. com/spreadsheets/d/1SgGLjxUQhxKHnFHhB-5wn6ixjl-OvrgJiQwPPENK2UA/edit?gid=0#gid=0
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Has anyone produced an edited version of the brief with the names substituted for the anonimyzation notation (perhaps color coded as to certainty)? There is a Google doc of the names posted here:
https:// docs. google. com/spreadsheets/d/1SgGLjxUQhxKHnFHhB-5wn6ixjl-OvrgJiQwPPENK2UA/htmlview#gid=0
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Apparently NYT doesn’t think this is a story. Not a peep in the paper of record yet as far as I can tell.
It’s there, see
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/02/us/politics/trump-jan-6-case-jack-smith-evidence.html
or
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2024/10/03/nytfrontpage/scan.pdf
Thank you
A shout out to all the “Detectives” this post has attracted. Comments prove the community is not lacking puzzle solvers. Good job!
Is anyone aware of a fully searchable version of the document? Where a person with OCR software has converted imaged pages to searchable text?
TPM has a link to a searchable PDF version
Not so, at least for the version I am able to access at TPM, within “UNSEALED: Jack Smith Details Why Trump Isn’t Immune From Prosecution For Jan. 6 Crimes”
The first few pages are searchable, but the pages with blacked-out text (meaning most of the pages) are not.
WaPo has a fully OCRed version.
https://wapo.st/3ZQg4tW
Yes! That is helpful, thank you.
THANK YOU SO MUCH for this, DavidStarr!!
It will be very useful! :-)
Reading the updated list from OG list poster, @Opinion_Skinny, UPDATE 11pm ET, Oct 2, 2024 https://x.com/Opinion_Skinny/status/1841682285457715519/photo/2
I’m wondering why the names of Powell and Kerik appear twice under two different redaction codes?
CC3 and P76 are both Sidney Powell, Trump’s lawyer. Is it because she is both a “Possible Witness” (P76) and also a Co-conspirator (C3)?
Okay, but P46 is both Bernard “Bernie” Kerik, the PA Republican Party Chair, and P48 is Bernie Kerik, a Pro-Trump online figure. Odd.
Here is a short list of names that I have not seen mentioned in the comments but who may have played important parts:
Margo Martin
Molly Michael
Stefan Passantino
William (Will) Russell – former White House special assistant and the deputy director of presidential advance operations who works or worked for the 2024 campaign.
Andrew GIULIANI
P42 = Molly Michael
P77 = Stefan Passantino (per the ethics complaint against him, he fits the description on p. 151) https://ldad.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Ethics-Complaint-against-Stefan-Passantino.pdf
P46 isn’t Bernie Kerik, it’s PA GOP Chair Lawrence Tabas.
P48 is Kerik, as per p. 40’s reference to this tweet: https://x.com/BernardKerik/status/1334944478180888586