Trump’s Handlers Attempt to Retcon His Fascist Attack on Haitian Migrants

According to Marc Caputo, the cat-eating screech that was one of the most disastrous moments of Donald Trump’s debate was supposed to be a planned bit.

DONALD TRUMP HAD A PLAN FOR Tuesday night’s presidential debate. But then the cat, neither abducted nor consumed, got his tongue and talking points.

If the moderators hit him for spreading a baseless urban legend about Haitian immigrants eating cats in the small city of Springfield, Ohio, the ex-president was supposed to execute a classic rope-a-dope strategy: He would dodge the punch and place the blame for the story on town locals; then he’d pivot to attacking Vice President Kamala Harris and the media over the toll of rampant immigration on housing, healthcare, and crime in Springfield.

It was all strategized in advance. There was just one problem: It required Trump to execute it.

But when the topic of immigration came up, the former president got sidetracked by taking umbrage with Harris’s insistence that he had uninspiring rallies. He then mentioned the possibility of World War III. Only after that did he launch into the rumors of pet-eating, and then without preparing viewers about the backstory.

“In Springfield, they’re eating the dogs,” Trump said. “The people that came in. They’re eating the cats. They’re eating — they’re eating the pets of the people that live there. And this is what’s happening in our country. And it’s a shame.”

This explanation — that Trump was only supposed to raise this if moderators dinged him for spreading a racist hoax — doesn’t make sense on several levels.

That’s true, most of all, because Trump himself raised the hoaxes he’s been spreading about Springfield and Aurora in his very first response, which was supposed to be about the economy.

On top of that, we have millions of people pouring into our country from prisons and jails, from mental institutions and insane asylums. And they’re coming in and they’re taking jobs that are occupied right now by African Americans and Hispanics and also unions. Unions are going to be affected very soon. And you see what’s happening. You see what’s happening with towns throughout the United States. You look at Springfield, Ohio. You look at Aurora in Colorado. They are taking over the towns. They’re taking over buildings. They’re going in violently. These are the people that she and Biden let into our country. And they’re destroying our country. They’re dangerous. They’re at the highest level of criminality. And we have to get them out. We have to get them out fast. I created one of the greatest economies in the history of our country. I’ll do it again and even better.

DAVID MUIR: We are going to get to immigration and border security during this debate. [my emphasis]

Debate first responses at any debate reflect a campaign’s primary focus and should be fresh from debate prep (though Trump invited Laura Loomer to fly to the debate with him, which is whom Mike Allen and Jim “Pool Boy” VandeHei blame for the meltdown). And Harris hadn’t yet started the process of beating Trump to a quivering mess yet, so that can’t explain why Trump raised it unbidden.

Trump repeated his immigration attack (this time not mentioning Aurora and Springfield) in response to Harris’ accusation that Trump exported chip technology to China.

But when you look at what she’s done to our country and when you look at these millions and millions of people that are pouring into our country monthly where it’s I believe 21 million people, not the 15 that people say, and I think it’s a lot higher than the 21. That’s bigger than New York state. Pouring in. And just look at what they’re doing to our country. They’re criminals. Many of these people coming in are criminals. And that’s bad for our economy too. You mentioned before, we’ll talk about immigration later.

Well, bad immigration is the worst thing that can happen to our economy. They have and she has destroyed our country with policy that’s insane. Almost policy that you’d say they have to hate our country.

His cat screech came not in response to a question to him about the hoax he had already raised (what Caputo claimed it was supposed to be), but as a follow-up to Harris’ response to Muir’s question about why the Biden Administration had waited so long to implement executive orders.

DAVID MUIR: But my question to you tonight is why did the administration wait until six months before the election to act and would you have done anything differently from President Biden on this?

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: So I’m the only person on this stage who has prosecuted transnational criminal organizations for the trafficking of guns, drugs, and human beings. And let me say that the United States Congress, including some of the most conservative members of the United States Senate, came up with a border security bill which I supported. And that bill would have put 1,500 more border agents on the border to help those folks who are working there right now over time trying to do their job. It would have allowed us to stem the flow of fentanyl coming into the United States. I know there are so many families watching tonight who have been personally affected by the surge of fentanyl in our country. That bill would have put more resources to allow us to prosecute transnational criminal organizations for trafficking in guns, drugs and human beings. But you know what happened to that bill? Donald Trump got on the phone, called up some folks in Congress, and said kill the bill. And you know why? Because he preferred to run on a problem instead of fixing a problem. And understand, this comes at a time where the people of our country actually need a leader who engages in solutions, who actually addresses the problems at hand. But what we have in the former president is someone who would prefer to run on a problem instead of fixing a problem. And I’ll tell you something, he’s going to talk about immigration a lot tonight even when it’s not the subject that is being raised. And I’m going to actually do something really unusual and I’m going to invite you to attend one of Donald Trump’s rallies because it’s a really interesting thing to watch. You will see during the course of his rallies he talks about fictional characters like Hannibal Lecter. He will talk about windmills cause cancer. And what you will also notice is that people start leaving his rallies early out of exhaustion and boredom. And I will tell you the one thing you will not hear him talk about is you. You will not hear him talk about your needs, your dreams, and your, your desires. And I’ll tell you, I believe you deserve a president who actually puts you first. And I pledge to you that I will.

DAVID MUIR: Vice President Harris, thank you. President Trump, on that point I want to get your response.

FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Well, I would like to respond.

DAVID MUIR: Let me just ask, though, why did you try to kill that bill and successfully so? That would have put thousands of additional agents and officers on the border.

FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: First let me respond as to the rallies. She said people start leaving. People don’t go to her rallies. There’s no reason to go. And the people that do go, she’s busing them in and paying them to be there. And then showing them in a different light. So, she can’t talk about that. People don’t leave my rallies. We have the biggest rallies, the most incredible rallies in the history of politics. That’s because people want to take their country back. Our country is being lost. We’re a failing nation. And it happened three and a half years ago. And what, what’s going on here, you’re going to end up in World War 3, just to go into another subject. What they have done to our country by allowing these millions and millions of people to come into our country. And look at what’s happening to the towns all over the United States. And a lot of towns don’t want to talk — not going to be Aurora or Springfield. A lot of towns don’t want to talk about it because they’re so embarrassed by it. In Springfield, they’re eating the dogs. The people that came in. They’re eating the cats. They’re eating — they’re eating the pets of the people that live there. And this is what’s happening in our country. And it’s a shame. As far as rallies are concerned, as far — the reason they go is they like what I say. They want to bring our country back. They want to make America great again. It’s a very simple phrase. Make America great again. She’s destroying this country. And if she becomes president, this country doesn’t have a chance of success. Not only success. We’ll end up being Venezuela on steroids.

DAVID MUIR: I just want to clarify here, you bring up Springfield, Ohio. And ABC News did reach out to the city manager there. He told us there have been no credible reports of specific claims of pets being harmed, injured or abused by individuals within the immigrant community —

FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Well, I’ve seen people on television

DAVID MUIR: Let me just say here this …

FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: The people on television say my dog was taken and used for food. So maybe he said that and maybe that’s a good thing to say for a city manager.

DAVID MUIR: I’m not taking this from television. I’m taking it from the city manager.

FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: But the people on television say their dog was eaten by the people that went there.

DAVID MUIR: Again, the Springfield city manager says there’s no evidence of that.

FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: We’ll find out

DAVID MUIR: Vice President Harris, I’ll let you respond to the rest of what you heard.

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Talk about extreme.

There’s little doubt that the psychic damage Harris did by calling his rallies “bor[ing]” rattled his response, leading him to first defend the virility of his rallies and only then to deliver the purportedly prepackaged Springfield comment, delivered as screech.

But what happened next is significant, given the retconning that Caputo got fed.

Trump’s meltdown might not have been so damaging were it not for Muir’s fact check, one of just three from the entire debate, but nevertheless the one that has led right wing trolls to offer bounties to try to create a less pathetic explanation than, “the people on my TV say.”

The timeline shows that Trump raised Springfield, what Caputo calls, “a baseless urban legend,” himself, when he was still fresh and unsullied by Harris’ attacks. Then he had his screech. And then Muir offered a fact check that — let’s face it — right wingers didn’t expect (which therefore Trump’s debate preppers likely didn’t either).

No one expected the push back that Muir actually gave after the fact, yet it is central to the effort to retcon the screech.

As an interlude, make sure you seek out the various versions of Trump’s screech set to music, which I first saw from this guy.

A few more things happened, though, between Harris’ pummeling of Trump, his screech, and the time when people started  retconning it with Caputo: Stephen “Discount Goebbels” Miller similarly got pummeled, in that case by a Venezuelan journalist, José del Pino, asking why Miller — and by extension, Trump — have this ridiculous belief that Nicolas Maduro brought down crime by exporting criminals to the United States.

So before someone tried to retcon Trump’s meltdown with Caputo, both Trump and Miller had had humiliating meltdowns.

And before that, Miller had spent most of the two days leading up to the debate disseminating these same false claims, RTing at least ten tweets dehumanizing Haitians, especially in Springfield.

The retconning fed to Caputo lets not just Miller off the hook for spreading what Caputo calls “a baseless urban legend.” It lets JD Vance off too.

After all, Ohio Senator Vance was a key vector in the pet-eating story.

Even after people explained there was no evidence for it, even as he acknowledge that “these rumors [may] turn out to be false,” JD nevertheless encouraged other trolls to “keep the cat memes flowing.”

Caputo credulously accepts that JD’s explanation to Kaitlan Collins in the spin room (in an interview given around the same time that Miller was melting down when called on the fact that he was parroting Maduro’s false stats) that meming was just a way to highlight the underlying tensions in a small city with an influx of new residents, of whatever race and national origin.

It was left to his vice presidential nominee, JD Vance, to play cleanup and showcase the campaign’s strategy during an appearance on CNN 45 minutes after the debate had ended.

“This town has been ravaged by 20,000 migrants coming in . . . This is what Kamala Harris’s border policies have done,” Vance said. “The media didn’t care about the carnage wrought by these policies until we turned it into a meme about cats . . . If we have to meme about it to get the media to care, we’re going to keep on doing it because the media should care about what’s going on.”

The primary cleanup here was Caputo’s.

Caputo doesn’t mention Collins’ comparison of this hoax to Bigfoot. He doesn’t mention how Vance bulldozed through Collins’ point that Trump raised this even though officials have no evidence.

If someone calls your office and says they saw Bigfoot, that doesn’t mean they saw Bigfoot. You have a sense of responsibility as a running mate, he certainly does as the candidate to not promote false information, right?

Similarly, Caputo cleaned up what he describes Jason Miller’s attempt to “polish” this conspiracy.

In a CNN interview Wednesday morning, Miller also tried to polish Trump’s immigration remarks from the night before. He insisted the story of pet-eating Haitians wasn’t far-fetched by boosting a story from the conservative website the Federalist about a Springfield resident who recently called 911 to report four Haitians each carrying a goose (but the story didn’t mention cats, dogs, or pets).

Miller complained about the bias of the moderators for failing to fact-check Harris on issues like fracking and said they should have talked about the Biden-Harris administration’s “airlifts” of Haitian migrants into the United States.

[snip]

Later that morning on Truth Social, Trump posted an image of the police report as well as video of a woman in the city of Canton, Ohio (which is 173 miles away from Springfield) who was arrested for eating a cat. The woman is a U.S. citizen and not of Haitian descent, according to press reports.

Yes, Caputo noted how ridiculous it was for Miller and others to point to Haitians carrying geese (or a troubled non-immigrant woman 100 miles away who did eat a pet) to claim their Haitian hoax was defensible.

He didn’t note that Miller was on CNN falsely claiming the Haitians in Springfield are illegal (or that they were brought in deliberately). That is, Caputo cleaned up the false premise here: that Trump and his team are calling legal immigrants illegals, and on that basis fearmongering about someone eating your pet kitty.

This is the real issue, both in the dissemination and Caputo’s willingness to repackage it.

All the evidence suggests this is not “a baseless urban legend.” Rather, it is a packaged neo-Nazi attack designed to sow violence against migrant communities.

According to a local leader in the Haitian community, while there were tensions, none of that boiled up until a car accident involving a legal Haitian ended up killing a school boy.

What were things like over the course of the first couple of years that you were living in Springfield? Was the community welcoming?

We were just here working peacefully and caring about our family and all of this. The community was okay. There was still a group of people in Springfield who saw the coming of the Haitians as a threat. But normally, generally, the community was so open with us. We had so many people working with us and things like this. Until the recent incident of the recent bus accident and people have been building up on that just to tell bad news about us.

So you think the bus accident was when things really started to change?

Yeah, it triggered it. There was some tension before but not like it came after the bus accident.

A neo-Nazi group responded to that by organizing a march in the town. And then one of them created a conflict at a local city commission.

Late last month, a neo-Nazi group called Blood Ties organized a march outside the Springfield Jazz and Blues Festival. At the Aug. 26 city commission meeting, Drake R. Berentz took credit for organizing that march while introducing himself via an anti-Black pseudonym. He was promptly removed from the hearing after stating, “Crime and savagery will only increase with every Haitian you bring in.”

A national far right network with intimate ties to Trump’s team start magnifying disinformation from Springfield.

Shortly after, racist claims aimed at the state’s Haitian community began to surge online, boosted by known disinformation outlets and eventually echoed by GOP officials.

The unfounded narrative that Haitian immigrants were eating pets reached national attention after being repeated this week first by Republican vice presidential nominee J.D. Vance (the junior senator from Ohio) and then his running mate Donald Trump at the latter’s debate with Kamala Harris.

The origins of the conspiracy theory remain largely unknown, but a New Lines investigation has identified several points of amplification from known spreaders of disinformation. Its fairly rapid spread reveals how extremist narratives travel from the fringes of the internet into the mouths of politicians, seemingly overnight.

Less than a week earlier, End Wokeness, an account on X (formally Twitter) that has been connected in the past to the white nationalist Jack Posobiec, shared a Facebook post alleging that Haitian immigrants were eating pets in Ohio. The claim was quickly repeated by the political commentator and founder of Turning Point USA, Charlie Kirk, during his broadcast hosted on Steve Bannon’s media network.

Kirk commented that this brought the United States “one step closer to the great replacement,” referring to a white nationalist narrative that claims non-white immigrants are replacing white people in the U.S. The narrative was originally obscure but has been increasingly embraced by the GOP mainstream in recent years.

Kirk is a close associate of Posobiec. Both his claims and the End Wokeness account’s tweet reference a single anonymous post on a private Facebook group as proof of their claims.

This was followed up on Sept. 8, when the End Wokeness account tweeted a video from a Springfield City Commission meeting where an influencer and podcaster named Anthony Harris claimed Haitian immigrants were eating ducks in the parks. This seemingly spawned from a repurposed image of a man holding a dead Canada goose in Columbus, Ohio, taken a month before.

This entire story, then, is about creating false stories in order to stoke far right violence against immigrants. It’s not an urban legend. It is deliberate propaganda.

It is already having real effects on the Haitians in Springfield.

And as such, it’s little different from the deliberate disinformation used to stoke the Dublin or Southport riots. Indeed, the networks behind all of them have very significant overlaps.

What is different here is that Trump is running to regain the presidency on such a platform of such disinformation. Trump’s team is riddled with participants in this transnational effort to stoke fascism with viral disinformation targeting immigrants; some of them aren’t even serving prison terms in Danbury FCI for covering up January 6! And Elon Musk has been all too happy to encourage it on Xitter.

Because of this — because of the way Trump’s team participates in this — Trump’s meltdown calls for far more than embarrassed retconning.

I don’t doubt that this was an orchestrated, intentional smear, one that Trump flubbed because Kamala Harris first made Trump insecure and then because Muir came ready with a fact-check. The fact that Trump’s handlers are trying to excuse it away as — in the Axios version — a matter of the fascist conspiracists he has admitted into his old man bubble, is a tell, but also an opportunity.

  1. He’s haunted. He can’t stand being seen as a loser. So it’s impossible to fully admit he didn’t win in 2020. He looks to distractions like crowd size and adoring coverage for solace. So, seemingly silly taunts — like Harris’ “people start leaving his rallies early out of exhaustion and boredom” — hit deep.
  2. He falls for fake news. For a guy who made “fake news” a household term, he falls for it often and easily. It wasn’t hard to learn that the allegations of Haitians eating pet dogs and cats were silly and wrong. But far-right activist Laura Loomer was on the plane ride to the debate with him, egging him on.
  3. He’s old. A wise man told us three types of people never change: Old guys. Rich guys. Guys with their names on the building. So the chances that Trump — a 78-year-old, self-proclaimed billionaire with his name on buildings, bottles and golf courses — will change are, um, nil.
  4. His bubble lies to him. All politicians live in self-protective bubbles. But Trump’s, which extends from his social media cocoon to his Mar-a-Lago luxury, is almost impossible to penetrate with hard truths. There’s always a Loomer to tell Trump he’s winning … even when he’s not.

Usually, this far right disinformation is supposed to be a little smoother than this — like JD delivered it, rather than the screech with which Trump did.

But, in spite of the excuses fed to Bulwark and Axios, the screech is the real thing. It is who Trump is. It is the ugliness with which this is all intended.

And rather than accepting excuses because the former President’s delivery made the ugliness readily visible in front of millions, we need to be clear that these memes are not, in fact, an effort to focus attention on the growing pains of a town with booming population.

Rather, they are a deliberate attempt to dehumanize people to either sow fear among voters — Trump even targeted this at union voters! — or violence if that fails.

After Kamala Harris rattled his ego, Trump showed himself for who he and his extended network really are. When people show you who they really are, believe them.

Update: Paul Waldman notes the intentionality of all this as well.

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  1. Matt Foley says:

    People eating cats and dogs? Come on. Obviously Trump was joking; you left out his “I lost by a whisker” setup.

    You liberals have no sense of humor.

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  2. dopefish says:

    The charitable person in me wants to believe that Trump is so brain-addled that he didn’t understand he was repeating racist memes with no basis in reality. But as we’ve seen over the past decade, that’s who Trump is.

    He’s brought an ugliness to U.S. politics that I never would have imagined before it was here. He mainstreamed far-right extremists and gave them permission to say the quiet part out loud. He normalized political violence and took every chance he had to divide Americans instead of bringing them together like any real President would do. No wonder Putin likes him so much. (“Nashatrampushka”)

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    • Magbeth4 says:

      Trump is not doing this because he is “addle-brained.” He knows exactly what and why he is doing this. This is who his father was and this is who he is and always has been: a bigot and a racist.

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        • SteveBev says:

          Trump chooses to regurgitate racist memes, because they have a “truthie-ness” to them, confirming his pre-existing prejudices, and he does so also because he knows they have the power to stoke grievances and anger amongst his followers for exactly the same reasons.

          Truth is irrelevant to these choices, and on the question of belief : the only important belief of Trump here is his conviction that the memes serve his purpose in a grasp for power.

    • earlofhuntingdon says:

      Trump is almost certainly suffering from dementia. It interferes with his memory, speech, gait, timing, and delivery. But his racism, misogyny, and violence predate its onset.

      They are fundamental to who he is and has always been. They are why he hires bent personalities, like Stephen and Jason Miller. They are meant to extend his hate and make it politically more effective.

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      • SteveBev says:

        As someone who has had significant dealings with people living with dementia it has been my experience that as the disease strips away various capabilities the core personality is what is retained longest, essentially kind people retain that despite their fears and worries, defensive, touchy mean spirited individuals become ever more hostile and recalcitrant.
        My parents, fortunately for me were in the first category. The parent of a former partner, and the parent of my brother-in-law were each very much in the latter category, sadly.

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  3. Magbeth4 says:

    For people who spread rumors such as the one Loomer and Trump and Vance have spread,
    the question for anyone who hears such a rumor is to ask, ” who is ‘they.'” Rumors generally begin with the phrase, “They say..”. (A lesson my father taught me because of his being a target for such anti-immigrant ranting in the Forties.) Countering rumors is one way to stop the spread of a rumor. It’s just much more difficult now with the Internet and Social Media and Mass Media. Hitler must be turning over in his grave with envy.

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      • Benji-am-Groot says:

        ‘Allo, my name is Inigo Montoya – you killed my father, prepare to die.’

        Consider how many times he said that to Count Rugen, and how it rattled the six-fingered man.

        Whenever I hear anyone – particularly a wing-nut-job MAGAt use that line I have a stock response:

        * “who are ‘they’?”

        * “what do ‘they’ want?”

        * “and how many of ‘them’ are there?”

        And I repeat it ad nauseam up to and including interrupting/talking over the offending MAGAt until they walk away or give me a rude response – then walk away.

        Seriously, I have manners and decent self-restraint but for some reason the ‘they/them’ argument gets me to the point of taking off the manners gloves.

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  4. Matt___B says:

    Calling Howard Dean – which “candidate screech” was more damning? Next up: a “cackle contest” between Hillary and Kamala. Never mind.

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  5. Peterr says:

    Trump’s handlers seem to be worried about their next gigs. “Wasn’t my fault!”

    And yes, that should not mask the underlying thing going on here. Even if Trump had run the play as they had designed, it was built to dehumanize and demonize The Other.

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  6. coalesced says:

    Posobiec planted the seeds of this propaganda hit in his recent book “Unhuman”:

    “Haiti would become synonymous with voodoo occult rituals, and Boukman was a top practitioner who led the rites. To the assembled crowd he passed around a cup of animal blood which everyone drank, and he called out: The God of the whites pushes them to crime but he wants us to do good deeds. But the God who is so good orders is to vengeance. He will direct our hands and give us help. Throw away the God of the whites who thirsts for our tears. Then the blood massacres began…Men and women and so many screaming children, it didn’t matter. If you were French, you were hacked to death.”

    JD Vance wrote the book’s forward.

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    • Matt Foley says:

      All this talk of dead cats. I can’t be the only one who thought of Stella “demon seed” Immanuel. Remember her? Trump’s “covid expert”.

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    • SteveBev says:

      This book

      Unhumans
      The Secret History of Communist Revolutions (and How to Crush Them)
      Jack Posobiec, Joshua Lisec, Stephen K Bannon

      Steve Bannon wrote the foreword

      But Vance wrote a review which is quoted as promotional blurb on the publishers website
      Skyhorse Publishing
      Also Tucker C,
      Don Jr, Gen Flynn
      Robert Stacy McCain, The American Spectator
      Dr. Peter Boghossian

      A veritable collection of “the Hate and the Bad”

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  7. Matt Foley says:

    Ah yes, the old MAGA tip-of-the-iceberg play.

    Take a single instance of an unconfirmed rumor (cat eaten, election fraud, Biden influence peddling, etc).

    Spread it in the MAGA echo chamber.

    Claim “people are saying it.”

    When there’s pushback fake objectivity by saying “Americans are concerned there could be a lot more of this happening but we won’t know unless we have a full investigation”.

    When the investigation finds nothing claim “Of course we didn’t find it! The Soros deep state is hiding it. What more proof do you need of the Dems rampant corruption?”

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  8. Badger Robert says:

    I took as intentional as described by Ms. Wheeler, because I had already learned that the Aurora story was a concocted legend. By the way, Aurora, CO is one of those racist pockets that are numerous in the US.

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  9. Amicus12 says:

    I know someone who was working at Comet Ping Pong when the gunman showed up in response to the conspiracy stories. I later explained to him and others that these were simply a later day variation on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The fabrications did what they were intended to do.

    Substitute eating babies for eating pets and you have more of the same with respect to the Haitians in Springfield.

    But Trump saw fit to double-down on the Protocols by accusing Democrats of killing infants after birth in his prattle about reproductive rights.

    I was texting with my children during the debate. My assessment was succinct: “It’s Hitlerite.”

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  10. Robot-seventeen says:

    Thanks for writing about this! It’s been pretty clear the Trump-O-Sphere has been desperate to gin up Blood Libel smears for both Democrats and immigrants and at this point it isn’t even camouflaged. Why this doesn’t get any traction (except for Marcy and EW) is beyond me. Are the current roster of editors and “journalists” ignorant about this part of human history? Compliant? Both?

    I believe the idea of abortion being a preferred form of contraception for women is an older substitute perpetuated by men, who of course have never gone through the procedure. I thought the right couldn’t get much lower, but I guess they just keep digging. Disgusting.

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  11. harpie says:

    City Hall in Springfield, Ohio, Is Closed After Bomb Threat The city said that “multiple facilities” had received the emailed threat. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/12/us/politics/springfield-ohio-bomb-threat-trump-pets.html Sept. 12, 2024 Updated 12:10 p.m. ET

    […] By early on Thursday, the authorities had not made a connection between the threat and the rhetoric at the debate.

    The bomb threat prompted law enforcement to respond immediately and order City Hall to be evacuated as a precautionary measure, it said. The community was asked to avoid the area around the building.

    It was not immediately clear which agencies and organizations had received the threat. City and law enforcement officials were not available to reply to questions about the nature of the threat. The motive was also unclear.

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  12. bloopie2 says:

    My only knowledge of pet eating comes from the 1960’s film “King Rat” in which George Segal et al. were prisoners starving in a POW camp in Singapore. When one officer’s pet dog eats a chicken being raised for later consumption, the dog is killed. Shortly thereafter, some of the inmates have real (not rat) meat for dinner, and on asking where it came from, are told, “Hawkins’ dog”.

    Not a nice moment in the film. At least in the debate we knew that what was being said, wasn’t real.

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  13. Mister_Sterling says:

    I swore I would never comment here again. This is a site for lawyers with severe superiority complexes. But here goes.

    I think Trump’s “They are eating the dogs,” moment is going to have a greater impact on how people see him than his mob’s attack on Congress. How? I’ll be as quick as I can:

    16 million more Americans watched this debate than watched Biden’s debate in June. Take it from a 9/11 survivor, the week after Labor Day is a great week to ensure there are more people around compared to the early summer months. Back to school time (which is also UN General Assembly time) is probably the best week to get anyone’s attention.

    Hate to say it, but seeing Trump spout Nazi nonsense is far easier for the typical busy American to understand than a two month conspiracy to send a mob to attack Congress on a workday.

    About that. Think back to January 6 2021. It was a weekday afternoon. Over 100,000 Americans died of COVID that month (the deadliest of the ongoing pandemic – we’re down to 4,000 per month). I myself was helping to administer the first vaccines. I was going back and forth between following the terrorist attack and wrangling an endless line of New Yorkers to get vaccinated. Man, a lot was happening in addition to Trump’s coup by proxy.

    As Ross Perot would frequently say in his 1992 debates, “It’s simple.” What Trump did on Tuesday night is really simple. Just as Harris was able to provoke that craziness on live TV, perhaps that moment can re-awaken the American tradition of recognizing that when a candidate says something a wee too crazy, they are done.

    May Harris now slowly pull away in the polls. Trump did something so simple and shocking, he might not be able to survive this time.

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    • Rayne says:

      Helpful hint: don’t start a comment with a crack denigrating this site. Why would anyone want to read what follows, especially when it’s another 289 words long?

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  14. vigetnovus says:

    This is absolutely the case. Note that DOJ indicted the leaders of one of these far-right white nationalist networks on Monday for doing exactly these sorts of things. Perhaps that’s why this operation didn’t go as they planned.

    Here’s the link to the DOJ press release: Link.

    In addition, the tactics are right out of the Doppleganger dossier/affadavit: create fake news stories and what look like authoritative sources to back up these fables to give a pretext for spreading the more widely.

    See, it’s kind of hard for these operations to work, when the bots and the foreign troll farmers have been successfully neutralized by the DOJ and the IC.

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