Journalists Struggle to Distinguish Elon Musk’s Chat from Press Conference They Validated
There’s a funny structure to WaPo’s story, bylined by five journalists, on Elon Musk’s chat with Donald Trump.
After discussing the technical problems that delayed the chat for 40 minutes — which Musk attributed to a DDOS attack, a claim anonymous Xitter employees disputed — it described how Musk “allowed the former president to deliver his preferred talking points and a stream of false statements” and mostly kept it comfortable. Then it contrasted that chatty style with the “challenging questions” Rachel Scott and Kadia Goba asked at the NABJ.
Musk billed the conversation with Trump as “unscripted with no limits on subject matter.” But during much of the discussion, he focused on comfortable topics for Trump, such as undocumented immigration. He also allowed the former president to deliver his preferred talking points and a stream of false statements, giving the chat some of the hallmarks of Trump’s signature campaign rallies.
The friendly conversation came after Trump reacted combatively to challenging questions at the National Association of Black Journalists convention — and as the GOP nominee is also attacking Harris for not doing interviews since she announced her campaign for president. Trump reiterated that criticism of Harris on the X Space and repeated his frequent claim that Harris’s rise to the top of the Democratic ticket amounted to a “coup.”
Those were paragraphs three and four.
Twelve paragraphs later, WaPo mentioned — with no comment on any challenge presented by journalists involved — the presser last week, where journalists allowed Trump to make the very same attacks that Musk did.
He has drawn headlines for falsely questioning her heritage, reigniting a feud with Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp (R) and holding a meandering news conference last week.
It’s as if there were no journalists with agency at that presser.
In his first three paragraphs, NYT’s Michael Gold was more succinct. He focused on technical issues, softball questions, and false claims.
What was supposed to be Donald J. Trump’s triumphant return to a social-media platform central to his presidency was marred by glitches on Monday night, when a livestreamed conversation on X between Mr. Trump and its owner, Elon Musk, was significantly delayed by technical issues.
But once their chat began, 40 minutes after it was scheduled, Mr. Musk’s and Mr. Trump’s newly developed camaraderie was on clear display, with the billionaire tech entrepreneur lobbing softball questions that allowed Mr. Trump to rattle off the talking points that have animated his presidential campaign.
The conversation offered little new information about Mr. Trump’s views. Over the course of more than two hours, Mr. Trump attacked Vice President Kamala Harris, his Democratic opponent, as a “phony” who, along with President Biden, failed to address crossings at the U.S. border with Mexico. He repeated a number of false claims, including that the 2020 election was rigged, the criminal cases against him were a conspiracy by the Biden administration to undermine his candidacy and the leaders of other nations were deliberately sending criminals and “their nonproductive people” to America.
Sure, like WaPo, eight paragraphs later, he contrasted that to the NABJ appearance. But he also suggested that poor Mr. Trump grew frustrated at his own press conference.
Last month, Mr. Trump was combative while being interviewed by a panel of Black female journalists at a National Association of Black Journalists convention, where he questioned Ms. Harris’s racial identity. Last week, he grew frustrated by questioning at a hastily scheduled news conference in Palm Beach, Fla., where his answers often meandered and a story he told about a helicopter ride drew significant scrutiny.
Apparently, Gold is so entranced with the three days NYT squandered by chasing down Trump’s false helicopter story he hasn’t figured out that it was no more than a vehicle for more lies about Kamala Harris.
Ultimately, though, the presser was the same: beset by technical problems created because journalists didn’t have mics, largely characterized by softball questions, and riddled with false claims.
Heck, even the combative (if you ignore Harris Faulkner) NABJ interview was also delayed, in part, by technical issues (though also Trump’s refusal to allow live fact-checking) and riddled with the same lies he keeps telling, including the attack on the authenticity of Kamala’s Blackness.
Gold complains that Musk’s conversation “offered little new information about Mr. Trump’s views.” But actual journalists could do no better. Importantly, Trump’s frustrations at the presser came in response to questions about crowd size and his flaccid campaign; Trump’s insecurities are nothing new.
The only thing that distinguished yesterday’s event from the one many mainstream campaign journalists validated with their participation is that Trump slurred his speech more yesterday.
My point is not that there’s some secret formula to elicit actual, truthful answers from Donald Trump. Trump doesn’t believe in truth; he believes in leveraging lies to exercise power. So no standard interview format will pin the man down.
Rather, it’s that journalists are indulging their own vanity by imagining they’re doing any better than Elon Musk.
Given that that’s the case — given that Trump’s attacks on the press have rendered them little more than props in his reality show — journalists ought to reflect on their own failures before they continue to screech that Kamala Harris, who in 23 days has vetted and picked a running mate, added key staffers, and done fairly epic campaign appearances in six swing states, has yet to offer a press conference to many of the same journalists who could do nothing more than make Trump squirm about crowd size.
I’m not saying a press conference with diligent journalists would not have value. I’m saying that if you struggle to distinguish the outcome of questioning from people being paid as professional journalists from what Elon Musk can elicit, your complaint is with the journalists, not Kamala Harris.
And until you fix that problem — until you fix all the inanity driven by a focus on the horse race rather than the outcomes — these journalists would offer little more than conflict narrative and drama if given the chance to question the Vice President about her campaign.
Update: In a piece calling on VP Harris to give a presser not because it’ll help but because it’s the right thing to do, Margaret Sullivan lays out all the inadequacies of journalists clamoring for one.
[W]hen the vice-president has interacted with reporters in recent weeks, as in a brief “gaggle” during a campaign stop, the questions were silly. Seeking campaign drama rather than substance, they centered on Donald Trump’s attacks or when she was planning to do a press conference. The former president, meanwhile, does talk to reporters, but he lies constantly; NPR tracked 162 lies and distortions in his hour-long press conference last week at Mar-a-Lago.
But Harris needs to overcome these objections and do what’s right.
She is running for the highest office in the nation, perhaps the most powerful perch in the world, and she owes it to every US citizen to be frank and forthcoming about what kind of president she intends to be.
To tell us – in an unscripted, open way – what she stands for.
[snip]
I don’t have a lot of confidence that the broken White House press corps would skillfully elicit the answers to those and other germane questions if given the chance. But Harris should show that she understands that, in a democracy, the press – at least in theory – represents the public, and that the sometimes adversarial relationship between the press and government is foundational.
In my opinion, Madam Vice President Harris should begin openly mocking journalists who ask ridiculous drama inspired horse race questions. She could illustrate their failures in much the same way Dr Wheeler does here. Goad them into doing their job.
A la baseball star Bryce Harper: “That’s a clown question, bro.”
Someone on xhitter suggested VP Harris do a sit-down with Lawrence O’Donnell.
With his coordinates set to the best American traditions in TV journalism, his persona and presentation would appeal to people who do not follow him on msnbc. And the American public would be treated to an honest and intelligent discussion of the true issues facing our country and the world.
I saw that in my feed too. It’s an excellent suggestion.
I saw Sullivan’s piece too, and this is the line that jumped out at me: “the questions were silly.”
Silly.
Not unimportant or ill-thought out or missing the mark or poorly framed.
Silly. Sometimes, it’s just one well-chosen word that sums things up the best.
See also “weird.”
VP Harris’ first press conference as candidate should be with the NABJ with the same three journalists who interviewed Trump.
The larger press conferences are largely worthless because the reporters ask questions worthy of 10 year olds. Maybe go back to the GW Bush press conferences where he had a list of reporters and called on them in sequence rather than calling on the loudest voice clamoring for attention.
And it is largely baked in that reporters and next day news analysts will hold her to a much higher standard than Trump. Trump can just be Trump, but Harris had better be a combination of Mother Teresa and Margaret Thatcher (before Alzheimer’s).
If Harris is smart and clever, and I believe she is, she should lean into being held to a higher standard than Trump – because everyone seeking high office should be held to a higher standard than has been applied to Trump, including Trump. Giving off that vibe would be good for her, good for the public and bad for Trump.
As for being asked silly questions a smart strategy would be to mock the question gently, suggesting that corporate media bosses seem to insist on such horse race questions, answer it shortly and invite the questioner to ask another question, something tougher that the voters would really like to know.
I prefer she pull a ‘True Detective’ out and say “You’re not asking the right questions, think it over and try again”
Oh how I would love to hear someone with power say that to any institution in America! No one asks the right questions any more, maybe never did. Except Marcy Wheeler! (And her marvelous supporters). I can honestly say that it would not surprise me at all if Kamala Harris does actually say that.
She should tell reporters to hold her and Trump to the same standard. Otherwise, they’re not serious.
Bring back Jeff Gannon!
Memories……..
THIS. ^^^^^
I agree with this idea, but – more broadly – any time it makes sense for Harris to do exactly what Trump did, except in a competent way, she should do that.
One other idea – ask Harris exactly the same questions, in the same order, that the moderators asked at the Biden-Trump debate, record the answers, and play them back to back with Trump’s answers, which weren’t responses to the questions at all.
Being able to compare apples to apples – appearing in the same venue, allowing (and, if this catches on, demanding) “compare and contrast” reporting, that would be a good thing.
That might be good ammunition for Harris-Walz ads and YouTube videos, if you slice the clips up, question by question.
But saying “I’ll do a press conference so you’ll quit bitching about me not doing press conferences” is just moronic.
Musk can’t get a webcast going yet people trust his self-driving vehicles to get them from point a to point b alive.
Yes, as opinion writer Marina Hyde put it in The Guardian:
“In the UK, we have an expression for benchmark incompetence: we say someone couldn’t organise a piss-up in a brewery. But a tech boss being unable to organise a tech event on a tech platform feels like a new industry standard: the brewery’s head of piss-ups being unable to launch a piss-up in his brewery. On Monday night you could watch live footage from any number of bird nesting boxes around the world, but it was impossible to watch any of the would-be president of the United States. That said, I’m afraid both species soiled their floors.”
When you use a long quote, cite the source’s url.
Link to source: Marina is frequently great, in my opinion.
https://www.theguardian.com/profile/marinahyde
Thanks for the link. For the daughter of a baronet, and an “old boy” from what is regarded as the most elite and well-endowed college at Oxford, she’s refreshingly down to earth.
ew: […] journalists ought to reflect on their own failures before they continue to screech that Kamala Harris, who in 23 days has vetted and picked a running mate, added key staffers, and done fairly epic campaign appearances in six swing states […]
…AND continued to do her day job of being Vice President of the United States.
That’s not entirely fair—Trump has been doing his day job of old man yelling at cloud since he left office. It must be exhausting. /s
And many a night-shift Truthing-at-the-moon
Not only since he left office , but also while in office.
Also, backwards and in heels.
Adam Serwer responded to Times reporter Jonathan Weisman’s idiotic take on the Trump press conference by writing “This is a good example of how a lot of people who cover politics actually know absolutely nothing about policy… ”
https://bsky.app/profile/adamserwer.bsky.social/post/3kzad535f2n27
The utter cluelessness on policy has been on display for press conferences with Democrats too, which is why questions focus are stupid variations on “how do you respond to this Trump accusation?” or “inflation is now X% what do you say to consumers who want lower prices?”
I’d add though that they’re almost all clueless about politics too. One of the big reasons they report credulously about Trump moderating his policies is they have no clue how GOP politics work. The relations between Trump, his top people, and state governments are a complete black box to reporters. Reporters like Weisman not only fail to understand the what, they can’t figure out the how.
“inflation is now X% what do you say to consumers who want lower prices?”
This, please. Apparently Trump polls better on the economy(!), but his proposed policies, like tariffs and kicking out foreign workers, would not be deflationary.
Harris is now polling better than Trump on the economy after years of Trump polling better than Biden.
What’s hilarious is that a NY Times reporter took this as vindication of their claims that there was no anti-Biden drumbeat on inflation. At this point the conclusions are locked in and any evidence will be seen as backing them, no matter how absurd.
Much of the reason for rise of inflation is the result of COVID and the steps that needed to be taken to avoid an economic collapse. One step was giving out low interest loans to qualifying employers for the purposes of keeping employees on the payroll even as they were isolated in their homes (which they did not have to repay). A couple airlines came close to closing down, since the international community restricted access and people stopped long distance travel. Disruptions to the supply chain caused major problems to the recovery and extended the effects. The economy took a long time to stabilize from that worldwide catastrophe. If the reporters did their jobs instead of looking for the President to slip up, more people might be patient, instead of demanding everything to go back to normal immediately.
More importantly, there’s no returning to pre-pandemic conditions because millions of Americans died since then, as COVID and excess deaths and normal attrition numbers document. Corporations have taken advantage of the pandemic’s short-term supply disruptions to increase prices for record profits while refusing to respond to market pressure on labor supply.
Long-term failures of the market to address housing shortages combined with predatory investments exacerbate the problems.
Until both Congress and the White House are in sync about curative measures including fixing the stagnant federal minimum wage, inflation may remain a threat. The GOP-led House has already demonstrated repeatedly it’s not going to bat for the average American, only corporations and the investment class.
Unfortunately, most news media is owned by corporations and the investment class.
A lot of today’s inflation comes from monopoly/oligopoly power and price gouging.
I’ve been saying for a while that surveys about the economy are little more than a referendum on what those surveyed think about the president or politics. Especially Republicans.
The data indicates a good economy, maybe even great relative to historical numbers. Never bought the idea that there was some secret economic problem that doesn’t show up in the data that caused people to be unhappy. 90% partisan. Republicans keep talking about the bad economy so their sheep followers play along.
My reply to MAGAs complaining about “Bidenflation” is “Trump’s $2.2 trillion socialist COVID free money handout which MAGAs happily spent without repaying.”
The Republican candidate has no job, a lot of free time, and loves to hear himself talk and be the focal point of attention, the Vice President has 2 jobs, and so far reporter questions have been a waste of everyone’s time, why should she make room on her very full plate for more of that? Whatever we voters need, her opinion of Trump ain’t it. Maybe I’ll agree with Sullivan when the press corp shows they’re capable of journalism.
I’m on the verge of concluding that the only remotely competent employees at The New York Times are Melissa Clark and Will Shortz . . . and given that the Friday and Saturday puzzles are getting easier, I’m not so sure about Shortz.
I opened the NYT app on my iPad this morning, to find that the election coverage still featured a heading-link to “Walz Military Record”, many days after that story had basically been debunked; the link has only, finally, been taken down within the last hour or two. What on earth are these folks doing at “the paper of record”, since neither journalism nor editing appear to be on their task list?
Thank goodness for Marcy.
central NC’s largest metro area’s NBC affiliate still has their link to it up as well. 87
Don’t blame Shortz. He has been recovering from health issues for months and another editor is handling the puzzle.
What are “these folks doing”? Making money for the NYT. Every eyeball, no matter how critical, cast on an inane story is good for business. Always been that way, though what has changed, starting a couple decades ago, is the absence of editors. They were expensive and, therefore, stripped out of the process. A critical filter is gone. That and the competitive pressures of the 24/7 news cycle, as well as the obsession with access. It’s the reader who has to adjust expectations and, of course, take on the added burden of going to multiple news sources to get an accurate picture.
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at Harris’ first press conference, she should call on foreign journalists for the first five questions. i would wager their questions would be far better than their American counterparts.
Excellent idea.
It should also be radio; it’s the teevees that bring out the overacting pretend reporters.
Bit o’ history:
FDR and Steve Early invented the press conference. About a dozen reporters gathered around Roosevelt’s desk. No direct quotations allowed.
Reagan’s press conferences were ritualized. News outlets were told days in advance that their reporter would be called.
I was working at The Des Moines Register, which was called on once in the 5 years Reagan and I overlapped. The big cheeses spent days debating what question at ask. (I was not part of this but some of it occurred next to my desk.)
The question they had our outstanding reporter George Anthan ask was about farm policy. It was a serious matter but silly to the extent that it was too far into the weeds to expect any president, especially Reagan, to give a useful answer, and he didn’t.
Trump and the late Charlie Manson have many similar traits.
One similar trait is both were pathological liars incapable of telling the truth when interviewed, questioned or interrogated.
I once knew law enforcement personnel who had the displeasure of having to interrogate Manson. They viewed him as an incorrigible buffoon.
Trump is an incorrigible buffoon.
This short essay which is a summary of a thesis of his book Mark Leopold (lecturer in social anthropology at the University of Sussex)
makes some interesting points on ‘political buffoonery’ comparing Trump and Boris Johnson to the main subject-Idi Amin.
https://yalebooks.yale.edu/2021/03/23/idi-amin-and-the-uses-of-political-buffoonery/
One set of observations stood out linking buffoonery to a particular form of aggressive masculinity and sexual manipulation/ predation. I am less sure of the authors linkage to a particular masculine body type – Manson would not fit that physiological type, and nor would Russell Brand, but they are both IMHO buffoons nevertheless
The rare application of buffoon to women is another interesting observation- but MTG maybe the exception which proves the rule
Good source. Interesting book. Trump and Boris Johnson seem to illustrate his points. Paraphrasing, buffoonery,
1) Leads opponents to underestimate the buffoon;
2) Allows them to claim their serious points were jokes, something Trump does every day;
3) Appeals to supporters;
4) Distracts from the serious, frightening or incompetent, behavior of the buffoon; and
5) Confuses opponents about how to respond to the buffoon’s outrages. Likewise, the press.
Idi Amin brings back junior high English class memories! I wrote a short composition about the guy! (I don’t believe I still have it anywhere. But I might. Somewhere.)
Even back then with just a dead tree newspaper source, I’d picked up on the fact the guy was a piece of work. And bad news.
Yes, interesting piece at your link.
girding myself for whatever inane questions Trump and Harris will be asked at what are called debates, my fantasy rules: as Trump will never answer the actual question and moderators are unable to cut him off…:
* Trump gets 2 minutes to answer the question. If at end of time he has ignored the actual question and bloviated, Harris gets 2 minutes to answer the Q, then an additional 2 minutes to say anything she wants. Rinse/Repeat.
Trump is occasionally asked tough (not necessarily serious but tough) questions, and he has a standard response: ‘That’s a nasty question.’
If I were drawing up the perfect rules, if trump responds using the word nasty, the conference is stopped until he answers.
A boy can dream.
The rake stepping proceeds apace! I witness the growing drum beat of “OH, CAN’T SHE JUST THROW US A BONE OR MY “JOURNALIST” FEE FEES WILL ACHE?!”, an argument which will be buried the minute Harris gives some lucky reporter a sit down. Does the Trump Campaign really expect the Democrats to win their election for them? It seems so…
I’m waiting to hear back if and when Margaret Sullivan requested an interview.
Until that time, I’m sticking with “Et tu, Margaret?”.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/kamala-harris-trump-abortion-israel-hamas-war-1235034796/
Et, tu? She’s no longer an active reporter. In semi-retirement, she writes an opinion column. You might want to redirect your ire to those more responsible.
Thanks for your kind suggestion and concerned ire.
Margaret Sullivan not only has an active substack and *newsletter*, she is the Executive Director for the Craig Newmark Center for Journalism Ethics and Security, and a member of the Society of Professional Journalists (SPJ).
Sarcasm doesn’t change my point. Substack and a newsletter are venues to make money from writing, not necessarily reporting. Since she became the NYT last Public Editor, in 2012, her specialty has been writing opinion columns about reporting, including at the WaPo and now the Guardian. Executive and board positions, you left out several, are just that, not active reporting.
Looking at the coverage this morning, it strikes me that all of the “news” outlets have missed the actual news from the Musk/Trump event: “Republican candidate for President of the United States displayed signs of alarming health issues as he repeatedly slurred words and lisped through a series of incoherent and false statements”
I gather that USAToday covered that whatever-it-was better than either NYT or WaPo.
Yep.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2024/08/12/trump-musk-interview-x-twitter-spaces-disaster/74774628007/
I couldn’t find where I saw it – thanks for the link!
USA Today’s bottom line: “Trump’s interview with Elon Musk was an unmitigated disaster.”
But it missed a Trump health-related issue: Trump’s new lisp and increased slurring of words. If he has a personal physician who still has a license, they might be concerned about whether he’s had a cerebral event. Is that why he’s spending so much time at MAL, in the middle of a presidential campaign?
https://crooksandliars.com/2024/08/drudge-report-trump-slurs
Salon and the Daily Beast also report on Trump’s new lisp. When a Trump spokesthperson goes out of their way to gaslight reporters, and claim they didn’t hear what they heard, it’s a sure sign he’s newly lisping and they’re worried about it. As with other things associated with the Kremlin, you can’t be sure something is true until it’s officially denied.
https://www.salon.com/2024/08/13/rising-concerns-about-his-age-and-well-being-lisps-through-disastrous-livestream-with-musk/
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-spox-responds-to-speculation-of-trump-lisp-during-x-spaces-chat-with-elon-musk
Thome are thaying it’th an audio comprethion ithue—the thibilent thyllablth get thquathed.
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trumps-lisp-during-elon-musk-interview-raises-questions-1938324
Thorry for the Newthweek link.
O RLY?
“He was rambling, babbling on about crowd sizes and immigration and President Joe Biden and whatever else seemed to pass through his mind. He was also badly slurring his words, raising questions about his health, and doing nothing to knock down rising concerns about his age and well-being.
“He sounded like a disoriented, racist Daffy Duck.”
Gosh, it’s as if that were the lede that journalists keep burying, as if they were hiding Blackbeard’s gold.
When Harris gives a press conference, she might set some ground rules.
— Come prepared to ask about me and the priorities of my administration. If you want to know something about Donald Trump, ask him, Don’t waste my time.
— Be committed to ask Donald Trump the same sort of questions you ask me, in the same tone of voice, and don’t take no for an answer. Ignore him if he refuses to answer your questions. That means he’s not serious. Make that the story.
— Take me at my world. When Donald Trump tells you something, do the same. He has no sense of humor and doesn’t make jokes. He just doesn’t want to be liable for what he says and plans to do. Hold him to account, as you do me.
— I’m happy to take hardball questions. I’m not afraid of a good pitch and I bat well. Be prepared to field the ball when it comes back at you. If you ask me hardball questions, but give Trump a pass or say, “That’s just Donald,” that tells me you’re not serious. I don’t have time for that. There’s too much to do.
Three times at NABJ Trump complained about the lateness/equipment:
1. She’s going to do it with Zoom and she’s not coming, and then you were half an hour late. Just so we understand, I have too much respect for you to be late. They couldn’t get their equipment working or something.
2. And for you to start off a question and answer period, especially when you’re 35 minutes late because you couldn’t get your equipment to work, in such a hostile manner, I think it’s a disgrace. I really do think it’s a disgrace.
3. So first of all, it’s very hard to hear you for whatever reason because of the fact that they have bad equipment ’cause I guess this woman was unable to get the right equipment. But it’s very hard for me to hear you, but I can hear every other word. It’s very difficult, actually. But so I don’t know if they can fix it or do something with it, but I’ll do the best I can with it.
Musk’s equipment problems caused a 40 minute delay. Did Trump complain even once?
I understand the real reason his NABJ conference started late was he was arguing against “real time fact checking” which was finally declined.
Pushing VP Harris into a press conference before the DNC is a trap. Trump wants her to say things in the press conference that do not match up with positions she has said in years past, so he can slam her as not being honest or flip flopping ( a brush that has been used to tar Vance).
She should not be goaded into saying any more to the press than she is already doing until after the convention.
FL Resister @ August 13, 2024 at 8:42 am, has an excellent idea in having her first be a one on one with Lawrence O’Donnell. He is so incensed at the appallingly bad job the media is doing, that his questions would be thoughtful and devoid of ‘gotcha’.
Yes and yes.
If “access” is what the media pack desperately crave, then make them work for it. Grant it only to those reporters who do their jobs properly and earn the necessary respect. Starting with O’Donnell as a good example.
There’s a TRANSCRIPT at a site called The Singju Post, which I haven’t heard of before.
Ana Marie Cox links to it here:
https://bsky.app/profile/anamariecox.bsky.social/post/3kzmfdyzq622n
Aug 13, 2024 at 12:09 PM
I’d be careful* visiting The Singju Post. Let Cox do the heavy lifting.
* be careful = I’m not going to visit it.
OK…THANK YOU, Rayne!
It’s the perfect phishing vector, must say — post the only known transcript of last night’s madness and watch all the journalists flock to it.
*smdh*
Hunter Walker:
https://bsky.app/profile/hunterw.bsky.social/post/3kzmfbfpmu22c
Aug 13, 2024 at 12:07 PM
With all due respect to Mitchell, the now-ingrained adversarial relationship between the press and a foundational responsibility to inform the public of “all that’s fit to print” is a much more serious concern. Hollow bothsides-ism just doesn’t hack it. (pun intended.)
Pretty funny snippet from a Josh Marshall piece more or less on this topic:
It still is Trump’s main “governing document,” to the extent he has anything beyond, “I’m your retribution.”
He may have changed names or incorporated stuff into his campaign, so that it no longer refers to Project 2025. But the ideas and staffing remain the same. That would be routine for real estate salesman Trump. Whatever it’s called, Project 2025 remains the pathway into government for thousands of people, besides Trump, who should never be in government, let alone running it.
Yep. The only humor was ” impulsive grunts”.
Trump is more famous for his repulsive stunts
compulsive shunts (around *reality*)
Avulsive affronts
“Journalists Struggle to Distinguish Elon Musk’s Chat from Press Conference They Validated.”
I had to check to make sure that headline wasn’t from Borowitz or The Onion. But sadly, it is not satire nor exaggeration.
Keep it up.
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The only sensible response to the “interview” was filed this morning by the UAW.
So my question about the Musk / Trump tech fart last night is, was it legal ? Musk founded a PAC for Trump. Is Musk allowed to interact with Trump about the election in this way ? Is this is a grey area regarding election laws ?
The whole thing was advertised in advance as having been paid for by “Donald J Trump for President 2024, Inc” so receipts should be forthcoming in due course.
Whether Musk was paid for his time is a question, and if not what the value to be ascribed to that in kind contribution should be is the follow up.
So why was the news media covering a 2 hour paid political advertisement?
I guess the news media feels it is newsworthy when billionaires’ country club talk goes public.
A political contribution in kind provided with the help of foreign investors, it should be noted every time this is discussed.
On Aug 12, 2024 at 8:24 PM [ET] William Shakespeare [on Bluesky] wrote:
https://bsky.app/profile/shakespeare.bsky.social/post/3kzkqkvom2t26
On Aug 12, 2024 at 9:16 PM [ET] William Shakespeare [on Bluesky] wrote:
https://bsky.app/profile/shakespeare.bsky.social/post/3kzkth5zi7u2y
On Aug 12, 2024 at 9:19 PM [ET] William Shakespeare [on Bluesky] wrote:
https://bsky.app/profile/shakespeare.bsky.social/post/3kzktnsyhfy22
LOL!
HAH! Hamlet, Act III, Scene I:
Emphasis mine.
Musk’s old tweets throw Trump under the bus.
https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-old-tweet-criticizing-trump-1938636
https://www.salon.com/2024/08/13/rising-concerns-about-his-age-and-well-being-lisps-through-disastrous-livestream-with-musk/