Trump’s Broken-Down Helicopter Was a Vehicle to Make Up Shit about Kamala Harris

Two days and at least ten journalists later, we finally have an explanation for Trump’s story claiming to have almost died with Willie Brown.

As Politico first reported, Trump did almost crash in one of his helicopters with a Black politician. But it was former Los Angeles city councilman Nate Holden, not former San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown.

Trump’s former Executive Vice President Barbara Res wrote about it in her book.

On that ride, she said the pilots started feverishly maneuvering the equipment as the chopper lurched over the water. “From the corner of my eye, I can see in the cockpit and what I see is the co-pilot pumping a device with all his might,” Res wrote in her book. Donald Trump and Robert Trump were reassuring Holden.

“Very shortly thereafter the pilot let us know he had lost some instruments and we would need to make an emergency landing,” she wrote. “By now, the helicopter was shaking like crazy.”

After considerable turbulence, they landed safely in New Jersey at an airport where Trump had his commuter helicopters stored.

As Holden described it, he came onto the flight already worried because another of Trump’s helicopters had just gone down, killing three of Trump’s executives.

Holden recalled being a bit worried about the helicopter ride because it came not long after five people, including three high-level executives of Trump’s casinos, were killed when their chopper crashed in 1989 over Forked River, N.J.

But Holden says Trump told him they were in good hands, noting that he had two capable pilots. “He tells me to ‘look at the sky,’” Holden said. ‘Oh my God, it’s so beautiful.’”

At about the time Politico was publishing this story, Trump was on the phone with Maggie Haberman, complaining about the original NYT story reporting that the politician in question wasn’t Willie Brown.

In an angry phone call to a New York Times reporter as he landed several hours away from his planned rally in Bozeman, Mont., because of a mechanical issue on his plane, Mr. Trump excoriated The Times for its coverage of his meandering news conference on Thursday at Mar-a-Lago, his private club and home, during which he told of an emergency landing during a helicopter trip that he said both he and Mr. Brown had made together.

[snip]

“We have the flight records of the helicopter,” Mr. Trump insisted Friday, saying the helicopter had landed “in a field,” before shouting that he was “probably going to sue” over the Times article.

When asked to produce the flight records, Mr. Trump responded mockingly, repeating the request in a sing-song voice. As of early Friday evening, he had not provided them.

When Maggie and the two NYT journalists who first suggested maybe Trump was confusing Willie Brown with Jerry Brown matched the Politico story, they didn’t mention that Trump’s plane had maintenance issues last night, just like the helicopter 34 years ago. They didn’t mention it, even in spite of Holden’s memory of wondering how Trump could so badly neglect his equipment even after a helicopter crash the year before.

“Anyway,” he continued, “we start flying to Atlantic City. He’s talking about how great things are. And about 15, 20 minutes in, the pilot yells, ‘Shut up! Shut up!’”

The hydraulic system had failed, he said. “Donald turned white as snow,” Mr. Holden recalled. “He was shaking.”

Mr. Holden said that as the helicopter’s crew worked frantically to set the aircraft down safely, his own thoughts ran to a helicopter crash in 1989 that had killed three senior executives of Mr. Trump’s casinos over Forked River, N.J.

“I just thought, how the hell do you let your staff not maintain your aircraft after you just had a crash that killed some of your staff? How could you let this happen again? I thought, if we go down, this is your fault.”

This whole incident could serve as vehicle for commentary about how a billionaire who wants to run the country again can’t even keep his own gear running. It could provide opportunity to remind readers that Trump got elected in 2016 on a promise he’d spend on infrastructure, only to deliver a never-ending series of infrastructure weeks that nevertheless never delivered the promised investments. Heck, that might even provide opportunity to remind readers that  Kamala cast the tie-breaking vote on the American Rescue Plan in 2021, which funded infrastructure projects Republicans now like to claim credit for, and then cast the tie-breaking vote on the Inflation Reduction Act, which similarly invested in local communities. Tim Walz, too, was able to get infrastructure spending funded.

But that’s not how this started. That’s not why Trump told a story in which he swapped one Black politician with another widely known for being Kamala’s early mentor (apparently Trump told the story in response to a softball about Brown’s role in Kamala’s career).

Trump told this story to create the illusion that he remains close to Willie Brown, so close that Willie badmouths Kamala Harris to Trump. Trump told the story to make a claim that even Kamala’s early mentor now criticizes her.

Whether people have flown with Trump or not, they all deny that trash talking.

Yet that part of the story is getting buried. Holden’s denials appear in paragraph 24 in the Politico story.

Before he hung up with POLITICO, Holden assured a reporter that nobody discussed—let alone criticized—Kamala Harris as Trump claimed Brown did.

“He either mixed it up,” Holden said. “Or, he made it up. This was just too big to overlook. This is a big one. Conflating Willie Brown and me? The press is searching for the real story and they didn’t get it. You did.”

Willie Brown’s denials appear in paragraph 29 in the latest NYT version; Holden’s don’t appear at all.

Reached again Friday night, Mr. Brown reiterated that he had never flown in a helicopter with Mr. Trump and that he had not denigrated Ms. Harris to the former president because he admires and respects her.

“Those are the two things I am certain of,” he said. “All the rest of this is amusing.”

Jerry Brown’s denials appear in paragraph six of the original NYT story.

Jerry Brown, who left office in January 2019, said through a spokesman, “There was no emergency landing and no discussion of Kamala Harris.”

Willie Brown’s appear in paragraph 14.

Reached on his cellphone just after Mr. Trump’s news conference — at his regular lunch spot at Sam’s Grill in downtown San Francisco — Mr. Brown, 90, said the whole story was false. He had never ridden in a helicopter with Mr. Trump, he said. He had never nearly perished in any helicopter ride. And he remained an avid supporter of Ms. Harris’s.

[snip]

Ms. Harris ended their relationship nearly three decades ago, but Mr. Brown said he had always been a big fan and supporter of hers. “No hard feelings,” he said.

Gavin Newsom’s denials appear in paragraph 20.

The subject of Ms. Harris, with whom Mr. Newsom had enjoyed a friendly rivalry, did not come up on the helicopter, he added. “We talked about everyone else, but not Kamala,” he said with a laugh.

This effusive denial from Willie Brown appears in paragraph 8 of the SF Chronicle’s early story reporting the former Mayor’s denials of flying with Trump.

Willie Brown told the Chronicle he did not say anything disparaging to Trump about Harris, whom he dated for about a year in the mid-1990s and appointed to two state commissions years before Harris was elected San Francisco district attorney in 2003.

“It’s just as accurate as all of the other components of what you’re asking me about,” Brown said. “No, not accurate at all.”

So Brown has never said anything bad about Harris to Trump?

“Nooooooo,” Brown said Thursday. “Hell, no.”

Trump told a makebelieve story so that he could lend credence to a claim that even a historic Black politician, the Vice President’s early mentor, doesn’t like Kamala anymore. And after chasing the story for two days, that part of the fabrication is being lost, buried beneath fact checks of who flew with whom.

It was just another lie among many Trump told about Kamala Harris at that presser, lies for which only some outlets are calling him out.

I raise this because of the campaign by a slew of mostly insipid male reporters who — whether goaded by Trump or not — are making the point he wanted them to take away from his presser: that Kamala hasn’t done a presser (because, Trump claims, she’s not smart enough).

Here’s how Maggie, in a piece that never directly called Trump on a single one of his lies about Kamala or polling or his crowds or the economy (it does note his claims that he left office peacefully are false), wrote it up in a piece with Shane Goldmacher and Jonathan Swan.

Former President Donald J. Trump tried on Thursday to shoehorn himself back into a national conversation that Vice President Kamala Harris has dominated for more than two weeks, holding an hourlong news conference in which he assailed Ms. Harris’s intelligence and taunted her for failing to field questions similarly from journalists.

[snip]

The goal of Mr. Trump’s news conference, which he announced on Thursday morning on his social media site, was to highlight that Ms. Harris has yet to hold a news conference of her own or to give an unscripted interview to the news media.

It was a point he made during his event, arguing that she had avoided doing so because “she’s not smart enough.”

Journalists have been running around for days suggesting that some vaunted Fourth Estate is entitled to interviews with and press conferences from Kamala Harris as if they add something, as if they have value to democracy.

And yet the biggest immediate news story that came out of an hour long presser (Trump’s dodges about abortion will have more lasting import), that he fabricated a story about Willie Brown, has not been described as just one of many efforts in the press conference to lie about the Vice President.

Trump gathered a bunch of journalists to get them to accuse Kamala of being too stupid to hold a press conference. And yet there’s no reflection that one of the biggest things he fed journalists was a fabricated story made to prop up all the rest of his lies about Kamala.

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  1. Ken Krayeske says:

    Willie Brown has the best quote at the end of this story.

    But if I see this access journalism tag line in another NYT political story, I’m gonna puke: “This story is based on interviews with more than a dozen people close to [insert politician here], nearly all of whom insisted on anonymity to describe private discussions and events.”

    It’s so formulaic and open to manipulation I just can’t.

    Maggie Haberman is 2024’s Judith Miller.

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  2. Mike Stone says:

    Trump is very skilled at playing the press. He tells a lie and they report it without calling it a lie. Someone speaks up and says it is a lie. The reporters go back to Trump to ask about the lie and he makes more lies and they report them. Someone speaks up and says they are lies. The reporters go back to Trump again to ask about the lies, and he makes even more lies…..rinse and repeat. It is like the reporters are a pet of his that he can fool over and over again and they fall for it every time.

      • wasD4v1d says:

        In a podcast by Erica Brozovsky (Otherwords), this is how cult leaders build their followers – it’s not about the best words, it’s about the most words. Lots of them. They don’t need to make sense, just keep talking.

  3. Capemaydave says:

    For the record: The hydraulic system had failed, he said. “Donald turned white as snow,” Mr. Holden recalled. “He was shaking.”

    Trump is NOT a limited fear response psychopath although he lacks empathy.

    PTSD from the shooting may well affect him. As a survivor of such myself, I know one key to overcoming the effects is to accept them, not deny them.

    As you note, Trump’s plane had to land early en route to Bozeman. He shot a video after that occurred which didn’t mention that fact.
    During his speech he noted that being President was a dangerous thing.

    He looks scared to me.

    • Magnet48 says:

      I’ve been thinking that as well. Added to the fun is Putin’s great joy at having his favorite assassin returned to him. His end has finally been made real to him from wherever it may come.

    • Fancy Chicken says:

      Agreed.

      And I don’t think it’s all about Biden handing the baton to Harris and her pulling ahead. I mean it’s partly that, don’t get me wrong, and it must be a powerful fear because he knows if he looses he may go to jail.

      However the media cycle runs faster than Trump processing to the best of his ability, an attempt on his life and the seemingly apparent physical trauma of loosing some hearing which must make him also feel vulnerable.

      Also in the NYT was a long Haberman and Swan piece on how Trump is lashing out at donor events and basically unable to get his shit together since Biden stepped out and the attempt on his life.

      Even a demented narcissist can have PTSD. His excuse for not having any rallies scheduled is that he’s “letting” the DNC take place and he’s going to do rallies after that.

      But his safe space of rallies are potentially now triggers of the trauma of that assignation attempt. And I imagine the problems with his plane last night triggered that trauma all over again.

      He has the emotional fluency of a rock and was brought up to never show weakness so he’ll never try to process that trauma therapeutically. If he is in fact struggling to process that trauma he’ll never be in a position to shift gears to a new opponent, talk policy or rationally enough to sound coherent because of how trauma hijacks your brain.

      I actually feel quite sad for Trump as he is obviously unwell, traumatized, and I believe he is going to continue to have an accelerating public breakdown and it will become obvious to the masses that he is being used as an orange puppet for all those Heritage Foundation loonies and crypto bros.

      • Molly Pitcher says:

        You are a better man than I. I can muster no empathy, sympathy or feeling for Trump beyond hatred. He is the catalyst for the unleashing of the most disgusting elements of the United States.

        There is not one redeeming thing to him. He is a waste of oxygen.

        And I hate him all the more because he makes me feel this way about another human being.

        • gertibird says:

          Glad to know I’m not the only one who feels this way. I’ll bet there are tens of millions of us.

  4. Frank Probst says:

    For the people whining about Kamala Harris not giving a press conference: What, exactly, would you like to ask her?

    • DrFunguy says:

      Thanks to Heather Cox Richard, we can answer this:
      “ Yesterday, after journalists had begun to complain that they did not have enough access to Harris, she came to them directly on the tarmac at the Detroit airport and asked, “What’cha got?” All but one of their questions were about Trump and his comments; the one question that was not about Trump came when a journalist asked when Harris would sit down for an interview. ”
      Letters from an American, August 9, 2024

      • earlofhuntingdon says:

        Sometimes, reporters can’t help but look a gift horse in the mouth. The last question to Harris, who was taking questions, was from a reporter, who asked when she would take questions. Gotta love ’em when they are so stuck in a meme, that can’t walk out of it.

  5. JanAnderson says:

    Lawrence O’Donnell’s (MSNBC 8/8) take on that so-called press conference is a glimmer of hope. He rips his own network, and media in general.
    Shames them. Good!

    • John Paul Jones says:

      I saw that and thought that his calling out the press for their failure to (a) call lies lies and (b) cover Kamala’s speech live once Trump had finished lyng was a tiny spark in the overall MSM gloom. As he said: “It’s 2016 all over again.” The Press has learned nothing in the intervening eight years.

  6. Konny_2022 says:

    Thank you very much for dissecting the reporting on this specific lie of Trump’s.

    When I first read some of the articles, I thought, yeah, he needed the (made-up) near-death situation to frame the lie that a former Harris mentor entrusted him with “terrible things” about Harris. Isn’t it common belief that everyone is telling the truth on their deathbed? So no elaboration needed on the “terrible things,” their plain existence would be the “truth.”

  7. not-the-dart says:

    Headline on Syracuse dot com dated July 12, 2017:

    Trump helicopter crash in NY kept secret to avoid embarrassing president (report)

    The report is from a Page Six publication dated July 11, 2017.

    A June 15 “incident” in Manhattan resulted when a tail rotor was sheared off during landing as it clipped a fence. Before being removed helipad workers taped over the Trump name. “Trump Organization did not return repeated calls…about…who was onboard”. “Trump family members still use his personal helicopters when he isn’t with them”.

    Trump says “he likes older aircraft because they have been ‘tested’ and have ‘been around’ per the Page Six article.

    • HikaakiH says:

      Trump says “he likes older aircraft because they have been ‘tested’ and have ‘been around’ per the Page Six article.

      Nothing at all to do with their relative cheapness compared to shiny, brand new flying machines.

      • P J Evans says:

        Or that they require more maintenance than newer machines.
        Donnie is not a savvy businessman – he’s a bean-counter.

        • gruntfuttock says:

          ‘Donnie is not a savvy businessman – he’s a bean-counter.’

          aka cheapskate, which I think is a more fitting term for somebody as obstreperous as Donnie ;-)

        • Chetnolian says:

          Largely not true of helicopters. Nearly all of their moving parts are lifted items which must be replaced at agreed periods to maintain certification.

      • John Paul Jones says:

        Maybe he should trade in the jet for a refurbished DC-4. There must be a few of them still knocking around the globe, and they’ve certainly been “tested” in the sense he means it. Decent range too.

    • earlofhuntingdon says:

      The first cause to suspect is pilot error, then loss of hydraulic and/or mechanical power. Losing tail rotor blades because the rotor “clipped a fence” is, needless to say, not supposed to happen.

      • Soundgood2 says:

        I spent many years in a helicopter shooting news over L.A. It sound like a hydraulic failure. It requires upper body strength to control the helicopter (think losing power steering) and a run on landing. It is a maneuver that like auto rotation is practiced by conscientious pilots. We practiced both all the time and experienced a hydraulics failure once in our AStar jet helicopter. It took two of us to steady the helicopter and land it safely on the runway.

  8. Magbeth4 says:

    “Former President Donald J. Trump tried on Thursday to shoehorn himself back into a national conversation…”

    The thing that bothers me about almost all newspaper stories, especially from the Times, is the inflated language used to report simple facts. I think it used to be called, “editorializing”
    because such language is not objective. “Shoehorn” is such a part of that kind of language.
    That may be what’s-her-name’s synonym for “interject,” but it is a loaded substitute. Mind you, I don’t mind if the Times finally gets on board with some reality checks on Trump, but such tinkering with language fills the newspaper in every article. It’s as if all their so-called Journalists are attempting to prove they could write novels, or best-selling political exposes.

    I am so weary of it all. It’s as if the Times, having boosted Trump into the White House, is drunk on that power, and has decided that it will make for more exciting “news” to pull him down. Frankly, I think he will do that himself, without any help from media. A grounded company/personal airplane is a fine example of his incompetence as an executive.

  9. earlofhuntingdon says:

    She describes a controlled emergency landing, not a near-crash. Unlike a plane, a helicopter’s rotors provide lift and propulsion. So, if there’s a potential problem that might interrupt power, your need to land quickly is paramount.

    • Bugboy321 says:

      It might be counter-intuitive, but it’s actually safer to land a helicopter than an airplane. Airplanes easily stall if you slow down, with helicopters you can flatten the blades and they spin, providing lift. So that’s what they train for when power goes out, autorotation.

      • earlofhuntingdon says:

        This one seems to have landed before it lost power, which is why such descents seem fast and dramatic compared to normal flight. They are. Fixed wing aircraft have a glide path – the distance they can fly before hitting the ground – based on speed and altitude when power is lost. Pilots know what that is and adjust it during flight. Helos can drop like a rock.

        • Bugboy321 says:

          “Helos can drop like a rock.”

          No they don’t. I’ve been through autorotation drills and real live emergency landings more than I can count. They are dangerous but most definitely NOT a rock drop, and that’s why pilots train for them.

          You know what drops like a rock? A stalled plane.

          ETA: I’ve flown exclusively in small helicopters, the Bell-47 and MD 500, maybe those big ones will drop like a rock.

        • earlofhuntingdon says:

          You know all this, but fixed wings drop like a rock when they are at low speed and/or high drag-to-lift configurations, like a tight turn or flaps down for take-off or landing. That’s a really bad time to lose power.

          Every fixed wing aircraft, though, has a glide-ratio. A typical ratio for a single engine prop aircraft flying straight and level, with no problems with flight controls, is about 9:1, or 9000 ft of glide for every 1000 ft of altitude. Or about 8.5 miles of glide descending from 5000. Add increased drag, flight control problems, or lowering speed by trying to climb, and the glide distance shortens, sometimes dramatically so.

        • Bugboy321 says:

          Replying to earlofhuntingdon August 10, 2024 at 5:32 pm:

          Sure that’s true, but you are ignoring that under stress situations, instinct is to pull up on the stick, which, now tell me how many pilots have made that mistake in their small aircraft and drill it into the ground yards from the runway? A fuck ton a lot of them and most of them are not here to tell about it.

          You are also ignoring low altitude flight, and helicopters by definition are low altitude aircraft. You are at 200 feet and lose power, what do you do? In a fixed wing you pray there is a LZ within your glide path, or you kiss your ass goodbye.

          There’s a good goddamned reason why FAA doesn’t allow fixed wing to fly that low, unless it’s landing, or for spraying for mosquitoes, operations of which I have managed for several decades with both fixed wing and rotary.

          In a helicopter you find a clear spot and you flatten the blades, gliding to the ground in a well rehearsed emergency procedure. Instinct here is also to pull up, which increases the AOA on the blades and stalls them. THAT’s when they drop like a rock, when the pilot chokes on the procedure. No one talking about “every 1000 ft of altitude”, here, and most helicopters operate below 1000ft altitude.

        • earlofhuntingdon says:

          Of course context matters. I mentioned some of those concerns in the comment, which you seem to have glossed over.

  10. earlofhuntingdon says:

    Kamala Harris isn’t smart to handle a press conference? What a hoot. Compared to Trump, she’s Einstein. Her ability to handle herself and read a crowd is superb. She can deal with paragraph-long questions without blinking. Trump gets lost after the first, Mr. President. It’s one reason he did so poorly at the NABJ conference: their questions were absurdly long. Even had he not planned to ignore them, he could never have followed them. This propaganda is easy to debunk with a simple montage of clips. It’s criminal that the press gives it legs by not doing so.

    • Shadowalker says:

      She has to be careful since being Vice President to a sitting President that she doesn’t undermine his policies while putting out what her own policies will be. She said that her staff will work that into the schedule at the end of the month, which happens to be after the convention where traditionally policy was made public in the platform.

      • earlofhuntingdon says:

        I imagine policies will keep evolving as she and her people get to them. This campaign and prep are being compressed compared to a normal campaign.

        • Shadowalker says:

          Exactly. I’m sure she’s been discussing policy with Joe, together they should carry things forwards as the transition plays out. She’s been working with moving his policies forward for the past 3 1/2 years, now all of a sudden she has to take control of the campaign, the party, and decide on a running mate that helps the campaign. Doesn’t help that the press never dug too deep (even just under the surface) into Trump’s policies.

    • xyxyxyxy says:

      He’s talking to his “suckers and losers” who are taking the hook, line and sinker. Who else would buy this shit and also his nfts, sneakers, bibles!!! or anything else this “billionaire” hawks?

    • Attygmgm says:

      “Not smart” and “low IQ” seem risky labels for Trump to use now that he says he will debate the Vice President. He’s driving down the expectations of her, which he may well regret.

      • earlofhuntingdon says:

        His projection won’t help him here. His criticism won’t affect Harris or Walz. If Trump does poorly against Harris, a sure bet, it will make him look even worse to those who believed his false claim that she wasn’t much of a threat to his eminence or brilliance.

    • rbba_06MAR2020_1251h says:

      Didn’t trump say Kamala is …”not smart enough”?

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  11. Konny_2022 says:

    I only now read the Haberman article cited in the post above (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/09/us/politics/trump-helicopter-landing.html). The last paragraph, not quoted by Marcy, reads:

    He has also told the helicopter story before, in his 2023 book, “Letters to Trump,” in which he published letters to him from a number of people, including Mr. Brown. In the book, Mr. Trump wrote, “We actually had an emergency landing in a helicopter together. It was a little scary for both of us, but thankfully we made it.”

    I cannot check on Trump’s book. But if that’s true: Should he be able to put out a lie for use more than a year later?

  12. Badger Robert says:

    The main story is the organic firestorm of the Harris/Walz ticket. Any coverage of the former President is part of the deliberate dumbing down of the news. Its much easier to report on one man and his demented fantasies than to discuss the future of the country.
    Harris/Walz will probably be better off minimizing their reliance on the mainstream media. In the 21st century, social media and streaming services can supplement the old fashioned 20th century rallies.

    • RipNoLonger says:

      Anything that the next administration can do to minimize the impact of these “journalists” who are parroting one party’s opinion (with the force of their owners) would be welcome.

      I don’t know how much can be done in the WH press cluster-f, but it seems that some controls on who controls the gathering would be useful.

      Having said that, I miss that total train-wreck of Sean Spicer (soon followed by other wretches.)

  13. Sussex Trafalgar says:

    Excellent piece that highlights Trump’s malignant narcissistic pathological liar personality!

    If someone had the time, I’m betting researching the relationship between Maggie Haberman and Laura Perlmutter would yield evidence showing Laura Perlmutter is Haberman’s source for her inside scoop on Trump.

  14. Bugboy321 says:

    “…how Trump could so badly neglect his equipment even after a helicopter crash the year before.”

    Trump thrives on the “Squirrel!” principle, every single move he makes usually has its purpose of covering for some previous boneheaded move. It’s no coincidence he’s having kittens about some memory that has a common thread of equipment maintenance issues, an apt metaphor for how he runs (or not runs) his ship.

    It’s bad enough that he’s gaslighting everyone about his haphazard ground game, but crashing the plane? We need better writers…

    ETA: I never knew Trump “refurbished” a commercial airliner chassis instead of buying a new one like the big boys do. Used car salesman indeed?

      • Bugboy321 says:

        Custom order jets are apparently bigger and have more amenities. I’m not sure FAA would be ok with a franken-plane? Who the hell knows for private use?

    • P J Evans says:

      Cheapskate, I think. He isn’t as rich as he claims – most of his “wealth” is licensing agreements – so he can’t afford a new plane.

      • earlofhuntingdon says:

        He – rather his campaign – could afford to lease one. He’s just a cheap sod, who never thinks ahead.

        • Rayne says:

          In one of these recent threads a community member shared a link to an article in StatNews which discussed Trump’s linguistics and possible indications of dementia.

          Mentioned in that article is the possibility Trump’s frontal cortex is affected — that’s the part of the brain which does planning. Trump’s increasing failure to organize resources and energy based on forecasting suggests Trump has frontotemporal dementia and has had it for a while. He’s not just cheap but damaged.

        • Shadowalker says:

          He purchased the plane from Microsoft founder Paul Allen in 2011 to replace the 727 he held onto from the failed Trump Shuttle. Paul Allen purchased it from an airline (I think based in South America). The problem with aircraft that regularly fly at high altitude, is that the repeated cycles of pressurization in flight and normalization for landings creates over time micro fractures in the hull and diminishes seal efficiencies, to the point where it can no longer maintain air pressure. It didn’t help that the aircraft was stored at an airport in NY state outside for the four years he was in office.

        • earlofhuntingdon says:

          A wealthy owner would ordinarily delegate maintenance and other issues related to owning or leasing an aircraft to a manager or pilot. They wouldn’t know the what or why about major or minor maintenance items. They would ordinarily want to know cost, and whether they meet or exceed the estimates one normally does when buying or leasing an aircraft.

          Like everything else, Trump probably micromanages that stuff. As you say, he’s cheap and damaged.

      • DrFunguy says:

        @ Rayne says: August 10, 2024 at 3:05 pm
        “…Trump’s linguistics and possible indications of dementia.”
        This.
        Plus, we’ve yet to see the post-shooting brain scan. Given that the FBI seems to concur with the bleeding ear having resulted from a gunshot wound, rather than shrapnel, brain-damage is distinctly possible (as many on this blog have mentioned).

    • rbba_06MAR2020_1251h says:

      I remember reading that the trump plane sat at the former Stewart AFB ‘for some time’ and was refurbished after his presidency. The plane represents his pride of ownership but seems scary as the vehicle of a presidential candidate.

    • Alan Charbonneau says:

      Rayne, psychologists John Gartner, Harry Segal have a podcast called “Shrinking Trump” where they discuss Trump’s dementia annd provide examples of his phonetic and semantic paraphasia.

  15. Naomi Schiff says:

    People here in the Bay Area are pretty amused by the fabulist invocation of Willie Brown. One very minor correction: word “one” missing in penultimate graph:
    “And yet . . . has not been described as just of many efforts. . .”

  16. Savage Librarian says:

    Whirly Gig

    Donald Trump flew in a helicopter
    Just a prop for lies he wants to share
    But it’s sad, his lies don’t work so well
    Things now are clear enough
    He’s lost his time to shine

    He wants to return to things forgotten
    And he makes up stuff to try to shame
    Things have changed
    He doesn’t have it now
    We see him clear enough
    He’s lost his time to shine

    Stalking about,
    drooling on crowds, well
    He’ll dick about
    Then he’ll choke, feels so cowed

    If he finds that we can roundly see thru
    (roundly see thru)
    Tell he’s gone pell mell
    And that he’s lyin’ (he’s lyin’)
    Please let on
    Don’t let him stoke his part
    Don’t let him shoot the breeze
    He’s lost his time to shine

    Stalking about,
    drooling on crowds, well
    He’ll dick about
    Then he’ll choke, feels so cowed

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rsriNQdf5A

    “Alvin Seville & The Chipmunks – Mrs. Brown You’ve Got a Lovely Daughter”

  17. Matt___B says:

    OT’ish: Pro Publica has just published an astonishing 23 videos on its YT channel ranging from 1/2 hour to 1 hour each, which are unedited “training” videos from Heritage/Project 2025 intended to “educate” future government workers in a Trump/future fascist administration in the “how” of implementing their wide-ranging plans for the uh, full deconstruction of the administrative state…here’s a link to the first of the 23 videos:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2kGi7z52bA&t=317s

    • earlofhuntingdon says:

      Managing a coup from the inside is hard work. And Donny and his staff don’t speak Spanish, so many behavioral models are beyond them.

      • Matt___B says:

        I believe that much of the Project 2025 plans are adapted from Orban’s model in Hungary, obtained through their partner org the Danube Institute:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danube_Institute

        It’s a “dictatorship franchise” model, a la McDonalds:

        you too can establish an autocracy in your country by following these simple, tried-and-tested steps…our 23 training videos contain all the information you’ll need to achieve successful results…

        (/s)

  18. Matt Foley says:

    Time to cut helicopter maintenance regulations. Trump knows more about helicopter maintenance than anybody. MAGA!

  19. CantankerousDave says:

    The lesson that the GOP has learned and mastered over the past 20+ years is that the American public will always remember the lie, not the retraction or correction.

  20. Terry Salad says:

    Confabulation is one indication of Alzheimer’s and both of Trumps parents died with dementia. Any press want to follow up on this? If it had been Biden, it would be front page news for days.

    • Shadowalker says:

      His mother’s dementia was related to the injuries she received from a purse snatcher in the 90’s. His father’s was Alzheimer related.

    • Savage Librarian says:

      One day, when she was 92, I heard my mother laughing at something in her bedroom. I went in and asked what it was. She pointed and said, “I’m laughing at that little red-haired boy.” I just nodded and smiled and said he was cute. When she was 95, she used to shush me because she was listening to her friend who was talking with her through the HVAC vents.

      There were a number of times I was able to calm her by telling her that some of her thoughts were like dreams that seemed real or alive. In fact, I’ve read about some research done on the relationship between memory and dreaming. I wonder who will be the first person who cares enough about the country, or enough about Donald Trump, to find a way to assess and address his medical condition and needs.

      • earlofhuntingdon says:

        Based on his past behavior, his extreme vanity about his height and weight, his hair and face color, his longstanding fear of the same dementia his father had, Trump would never voluntarily submit to a formal evaluation. He wouldn’t want to know, and he wouldn’t want a record of it, which might leak.

      • rbba_06MAR2020_1251h says:

        I do think about the defense tactics trump will use as the many legal cases get back on track. He has been ‘allowed’ to run his foul mouth prior to then including the most heinous verbal campaign ever for the presidency. Will he then be pleading mental incompetency or insanity as defense when guilty is the apparent verdict?

  21. VinnieGambone says:

    Average voters can’t follow most of the intricacies, say, of J6 cases. But I’d wager many, like myself, were sick of those White House lawn shots of Trump trying to speak over the noise of a helicopter waiting to wisk his fat ass away. Hated that ploy. What a waste of money. I’d make a commercial about that. Total phony. Beyond weird.

  22. RitaRita says:

    I vacillate between thinking Trump is declining mentally and thinking he is too clever to be in decline.

    His “press conference” was intended to grab back the national stage and to inject new memes into the mainstream media. He now has the press chasing the story of the mythical helicopter ride and whether Willie Brown or Jerry Brown trashed Harris instead of writing stories about the many false claims and moments of incoherence in that press conference. He is using the press conferences as free television ads where he can be spew his fire hose of lies unchecked by the respectful and cowed media. As he did with the helicopter press gaggles as President, he set up the conference where reporters questions can’t be heard. This helps him avoid answering the question and allows him to do his accordion riffs on whatever theme he chooses.

    But as clever as he is, he can’t hide for long his tendency to meander and to devolve into gibberish. His reply on the contraceptive pill was incomprehensible. The articles summarizing his press conference gloss over the gibberish, if they mention it at all. I imagine Putin and Xi and other leaders are taking note of the incoherence. Maybe the news media should be looking at the issue of cognitive decline instead of looking at helicopter passengers.

    • earlofhuntingdon says:

      My read is that Trump is feral, with an exceptional eye for the weak and corruptible, but rarely clever, and in serious decline.

      • Challenger says:

        In most cases serious mental decline is across the board and all “skills”. Three weeks ago he was on a glide path to the Presidency. Moments after a bullet grazed his ear, he had the presence of mind to create, to some, an iconic image raising his fist. He is an older tub of goo, and also a dictator on the move.

      • Spencer Dawkins says:

        EOH: My wife and I feed about eight feral cats(*) in our carport, and I endorse this message.

        (*) Relax. They’re all fixed. I went to high school in Texas when sex ed wasn’t abstinence-only, right? I know where kittens come from …

    • Matt Foley says:

      His gibberish is inching closer to Paula White’s glossolalia. Must be the MAGA holy spirit inside him.

  23. VinnieGambone says:

    Average voters can’t follow most of the intricacies, say, of J6 cases. But I’d wager many, like myself, were sick of those White House lawn shots of Trump trying to speak over the noise of a helicopter waiting to wisk his ass away. Hated that ploy. What a waste of money.

  24. Magnet48 says:

    He doesn’t know how to act any other way so even in decline he’s still manipulative just no longer capable of much beyond gibberish.

  25. Matt___B says:

    MSNBC interview with Barbara Res, former Trump exec, this morning. Barbara was actually on the helicopter with Trump and Nate Holden that almost crashed in New Jersey in 1990:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFBFFWj3i3c

    (Nate Holden and Willie Brown were friends and political colleagues, though Willie Brown was way more well-known nationally…)

  26. Bob Roundhead says:

    Off topic but, it’s being reported that the trump campaign was hacked and internal communications are being released to the media. My bet is that the medias handling of these documents will protect the trump campaign.

    • Rayne says:

      A link to such reporting would be nice because it’s just unsubstantiated rumor or gossip without one.

      • Bob Roundhead says:

        Next time I will link to the source. My assumption was that if I had picked up on it in the zeitgeist, it was already well known here. As of now, the reporting is on the hack, not the content. The reason I mentioned it out of topic is to point out what I believe will happen in comparison to how the press handled the DNC and subsequent hacks. Apparently politico has been getting this material for almost two weeks (according to the article), but has yet to report on the content of the hack. This level of deference was not shown to Madam Secretary Clinton.

    • earlofhuntingdon says:

      One of Rayne’s points is bring your homework. But sources are out there. You just have to let them in.

      Whether Trump’s system was hacked is another question. So is how good was his IT. He’s a cheap bastard, but he must also be one of the world’s great targets for hackers.

      • allan_in_upstate says:

        We received internal Trump documents from ‘Robert.’ The campaign just confirmed it was hacked. [Politico]

        https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/10/trump-campaign-hack-00173503

        “Former President Donald Trump’s campaign said Saturday that some of its internal communications had been hacked.

        The acknowledgment came after POLITICO began receiving emails from an anonymous account with documents from inside Trump’s operation. …

        “These documents were obtained illegally from foreign sources hostile to the United States, intended to interfere with the 2024 election and sow chaos throughout our Democratic process,” Cheung said. … ”

        Unlike 2016. /s

        • P-villain says:

          Accusations that the Biden Administration colluded with Iran to execute the hacking, and that Harris was involved, to follow in 3, 2, 1. . .

        • earlofhuntingdon says:

          You and mamake haven’t heeded Rayne’s oft-repeated lament that commenters should do their own homework.

        • BobBobCon says:

          You’d have to be an absolute idiot in the press to touch this stuff with a ten foot pole unless you have every expert in the world validating it.

          And that should go double for any claim out of the Trump camp.

          I have my doubts about whether many of them remember what happened to Dan Rather, though, and the number of potential traps as far as hacking is even greater.

        • earlofhuntingdon says:

          To BobBobCon, yes, the press has a Dan Rather problem. You’d need to vet the material better than Trump vetted his running mate. Marcy’s next post deals with that.

      • Shadowalker says:

        Private polling shows Trump under 50% in a matchup vs Harris in Ohio. Then material related to JD Vance gets hacked and released. Meanwhile, JD has been nothing more than a speed bump vs the Harris/Walz juggernaut (this despite all the press he has received). Looks like someone either in the campaign or closely tied wants to replace JD while they have time.

        • Shadowalker says:

          I don’t think Trump will replace JD, he’s too stubborn plus he would be admitting to a mistake. It is more likely he’ll change the campaign staff, which he’s done for both 2016 and 2020.

        • Rayne says:

          Reply to Shadowalker
          August 10, 2024 at 7:06 pm

          I don’t think Trump *can* replace Vance at this point in the campaign unless Vance were to exit of his own volition or dare I say an act of God forced the issue. Far too many states are already prepping their ballots.

        • Shadowalker says:

          Reply to Rayne
          August 10, 2024 at 7:26 pm

          It can be done. But time is running out, no later than the end of the month. It’s much easier to change who’s supposed to be running the campaign.

  27. RaflW_10AUG2024_1619h says:

    Of course Harris doesn’t owe anyone an interview. That said, she might want to give interviews. One of the issues with the news industry is that after a couple rallies, they’re no longer ‘news’ (exception: Trump’s 2016 campaign, which got far too much earned media. But that’s a whole ‘nother can of worms).

    Anyhoo: If I could advise the Harris-Walz campaign (mighty arrogant of me), I’d say she should do a solid sit-down with the best quality interviewer / reporter the campaign can figure out in each of the swing states she visits.

    Grant real, substantive interviews with papers, TV and/or radio in the markets that matter. It gets the message out, sends a separate signal to the NYT to f— itself for their absurd self-importance, and squashes the “she hasn’t done press” malarkey.

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    • Rayne says:

      Anyhoo: If I could advise the Harris-Walz campaign (mighty arrogant of me), I’d say she should do a solid sit-down with the best quality interviewer / reporter the campaign can figure out in each of the swing states she visits.

      There are a couple likely reasons for Harris not doing interviews before August 22: she will not formally be the Democratic Party’s nominee until the completion of the nomination process at the DNC Convention, and her platform is only now being completed with formal adoption at the convention.

      • Peterr says:

        Shifting from the presumptive VP nominee to the presumptive Presidential nominee is NOT a minor thing. It’s not like she’s taking it easy with all the free time she has by not doing a major press conference.

        As I recall from various reports, when Biden dropped out and it was apparent she would be the nominee, she told everyone on the campaign staff that she wants them all to continue in their jobs. That’s a very wise move, but then she had to sit down with the senior staff and talk strategy, which was very different.

        Think about what the staff had been planning. They had to plan a schedule for the candidate (Biden) that also took into account his official presidential schedule, as well as his physical condition (i.e., more time for rest). Harris, as the sitting VP, has a very different set of official obligations to schedule around for the campaign, as well as a very different physical condition. This changes a *lot* of what the senior campaign staff would suggest, and they likely had to spend a good chunk of time with Harris simply to chart the course for the pre-convention campaigning.

        Harris replacing Biden at the top of the ticket was NOT simply coming up with a new logo and ordering new stationery.

        • Rayne says:

          A-yup. Not to mention all the other issues attached to the current VP’s situation (ex. tie breaker as President of the Senate, engagement with other ongoing Biden administration work, so on).

          The very first question a candidate in Harris’s situation should reasonably expect: what will be different about a Harris-Walz administration compared to Biden-Harris. She really couldn’t say without an amount of chrono-distance from Biden, and her running mate confirmed. Harris-Walz have a whopping 16 days from the announcement of VP candidate, half of which occurs between the end of the swing state tour and the beginning of the DNC Convention. Not exactly a lot of time to hammer out the next four years’ plan to then regurgitate on demand by barking goldfish.

          And then the next likely question which will likely refer to comparison of Trump-Vance and the RNC/Trump platform which continues to be manipulated to create the illusion of distance between Trump-Vance and Project 2025.

        • Badger Robert says:

          There was even more to it than that.
          Biden’s motivation and his message was to stop Trump and much his message was a dark warning.
          But Harris/Walz can take Biden’s faith in the USA and expand that theme and make their campaign about a positive future.
          Harris/Walz have grasped a freedom theme. And are campaigning about a future that they obviously can be part of. With Trump suddenly at an obvious age disadvantage, which he did not have to deal with in either 2016 or 2020, several different approaches opened up for Harris/Walz.
          The media can ignore Trump’s increasing disorientation, but there is massive evidence that the polls that showed voters considered both Biden and Trump to be too old to be President were accurate.

  28. DiffPaul says:

    (First Post here, lurker)

    Ahem, there are many articulate and intelligent posters here. But you all seem to be talking about ‘Trump Lies’. So when has talking about then ever changed anything? When has bitching about the media ever changed anything?

    Kamala’s play here is to use judo and use Trump’s skills at lying against him.

    The big plus that’s driving her popularity is that she’s not one of the tired old men that were running for Pres a few weeks ago. She’s not 80 or so years old.

    The judo move is to use Trump’s skill at lying against him by instead attributing them (and his weird Hannibal Lector, etc weirdness) to bring OLD.

    Who among us hasn’t had an older family member start to lose it by getting memories wrong or saying weird stuff? (that’s rhetorical no examples please)

    Kamala and all Dems should say over and over how Trump seems to be old, with bad memory recall, weird ramblings, and tiredness (fewer campaign stops).

    People hated that this was a race against two old men. One isn’t there anymore. Keep to the message (Reps sure would) that Trump’s still an old man and push that proof!

    There’s no way Trump would ever.step down so there’s no danger of his replacement. What is a danger still to many undecideds is an old addled man becoming pres.

    And stay away from scaring people that Vance would take over b/c that just encourages and gives an excuse for Trump to replace him,

    Quit talking about Trump lying and start talking about how he’s flaccidly losing his marbles. That’ll get him to make even more mistakes/lies and takes away one of his greatest sources of power. Once ‘old and addled, perhaps dementia’ takes hold every lie, every ‘mistake’ becomes a liability for that old carny.

    Judo, people, Judo.

    • Rayne says:

      First, there are constructive reasons why this particular site discusses Trump’s lies:

      • we do media criticism here and the media has proven itself incapable of detecting Trump’s lies OR pointing them out to the public;
      • we do political criticism here and that includes pointing out politicians’ lies, with Trump being one of the worst liars in US politics;
      • we also cover the intersection of civil liberties and national security, both of which have been and are at risk because of Trump’s venality and lies.

      We’re not here just to help the Harris-Walz campaign.

      Secondly, there are two things for you to note as a first time commenter:

      • what you wrote is a comment; what Marcy wrote is a post. Please be sure to use the correct terminology as you are not a poster at the site and should instead be commenting about the post’s topic;
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      Welcome to emptywheel.

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    • Peterr says:

      Well said, and welcome to the comments!

      One little addition, though: bitching about the media *has* helped in various places. The biggest example goes back to the Scooter Libby Trial, where Marcy and others from the now-defunct Firedoglake did liveblogging of the trial because we were tired of the way the mainstream media was covering it. Slowly but surely, the media learned from Marcy et al. that actually reporting on what was actually said, actually admitted into evidence, and actually argued matters. Marcy, in a feat I’ve never seen elsewhere, managed to both live-blog *and* fact-check the arguments in real time. Good reporters soon learned that following Marcy could make their own work better, and the best reporters gave her credit for her work.

    • earlofhuntingdon says:

      The problem with analogies is that they are often incomplete or wrong, they go stale over time, and everyone who uses them thinks it’s the first time they’ve been used.

  29. Knox Bronson says:

    A friend of mine who used to be a model told me about riding with Trump on a helicopter in Florida on the way to see a prize fight a number of years back. She was not his date. There were other people on the helicopter.
    All she would say was that he was a super-creep, beyond words, and she didn’t want to talk about it at all.
    I know, big surprise.
    At least it didn’t crash!

  30. NaMaErA says:

    So, to summarize…
    1. Trump wanted to slut-shame Kamala, so he brain-wormed his way to bringing up Willie Brown and the helicopter story but forgot WHICH black CA pol he nearly died beside, and is now doubling down on his lie/brain-worm bc it keeps Willie Brown in the news which hopefully gets more Kamala/Willie mentions.
    2. The hack? Complete fabricated story of an internal leak meant to somehow damage the Dems. Nope!

  31. EatenByGrues says:

    While Trump may think he’s being clever, I don’t really see anyone in the media rehashing the Brown/Harris relationship, other than mentioning that it existed, which is old, old news. Trump may have distracted The Press–but they don’t seem to be chasing the squirrel they want him to be chasing.

    Which actually is a pleasant surprise–while I don’t think anyone really cares about a consensual relationship between two single individuals (treating Brown, who was estranged and separated from his wife at the time, a woman he is STILL legally married to, as single), I was half expecting to see tawdry accusations of nepotism and “sleeping her way to the top”–a common line of attack on successful women–being recycled by the media, which likes to treat any flaw in the resume of a Democrat as a fatal one, and anything else they have accomplished thereafter is “fruit of the poison tree”. (See, for instance, concern about Elizabeth Warren claiming Cherokee heritage on an application form FORTY YEARS ago, or a mangled sentence that Tim Walz made concerning his military service being treated as an outright lie and/or “stolen valor”, even though he’s been forthright on the matter in all other places and times, and his military record is no secret).

    The fact that Trump is a horndog and draft dodger himself is irrelevant–any challenger must be perfect, otherwise “both sides are dirty” applies.

  32. MsJennyMD says:

    Yes, make-believe story because he is a make-believer. Clearly an exploiter of humanity to the nth degree.

  33. Alan Charbonneau says:

    Marcy makes good points, but this story highlights Trump’s dementia. Even if he had a moment in which his brain worked and concocted this story to make journalists focus on everything other than him saying Kamala is stupid, the attention it’s got has amplified the impression that his mind is gone. I think it hurts him, though I agree the reporters are not doing their jobs by letting the slam against Kamala get buried in their stories.

  34. Challenger says:

    Another great post by Marcy. If I were explaining the contents of this post to a non Emptywheeler this information about Trump is a page out of Putin’s Dictators Handbook. Trump smears his opponent and floods the zone with shit. His followers don’t know what to believe, and there are a lot of them. Other pages from the Handbook include :corrupting the Supreme Court, and Judges, the republican party, attacking the press, the voting system and on and on. I hate to say it but he is having some pretty good success in achieving his goals. It is a multiprong attack on democracy. Until Kamala beats his fat flatulent ass, he is closer to taking over the country, than jail or a mental hospital.

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