I spent the weekend with family, so was a bit distracted as the US media had an epically stupid weekend (and today is a bank holiday, so). Twice, multiple outlets, including CNN and the NYT displayed the least competence to serve as a guardian for democracy.
It started when Trump, just hours after telling Fox’s Maria Bartiromo that he didn’t need to debate Kamala Harris because the Vice President was already known, tweeted on his social media site that he had “agreed” to a debate on Fox News.
There were lots of Irish outlets who might not know better. CNN should, but their first instinct was to publish a claim that the debate had been switched; by the end of the day they figured out the ploy.
NYT kept trying — as Margaret Sullivan and others noted, at first and second, they were struggling more than Drudge to understand what happened.
Headlines in the New York Times — probably the most influential mainstream news organization in the nation — matter even more. They make their way into the news ecosystem and can pollute the waters.
That’s why it’s so confounding when such headlines are either wrong or misleading. Consider this one in this past week’s New York Times:
Trump Agrees to a Fox News Debate with Harris on Sept. 4
Donald Trump speaks with Rachel Scott of ABC News at the National Association of Black Journalists conference on July 31 in Chicago. Trump’s comments during the event spawned poor headline choices / Getty
Reading this, a headline-grazer might think that the former president’s agreement was all that was necessary to make a Fox debate a reality. That Kamala Harris was on board. And that Donald Trump is ready for a fine, public-spirited exchange of views.
But that, of course, is not the case. In fact, Trump had backed out of a planned debate on Sept. 10th on ABC. He then came up with a new date, unilaterally changed the venue to Fox and decided it would be in an arena with a big audience, not in a studio with no audience.
Consider the Drudge Report’s headline, which — though not expressed in restrained journalistic language — does manage to get the truth across.
The Times, probably responding to the criticism, changed the headline online — twice!
Round 2: Trump Proposes a Fox News Debate
Round 3: Trump Backs Out of ABC Debate and Proposes One on Fox.
Then they faceplanted again, decided that Daily Mail was their assignment editor. They decided to chase the story of an affair Doug Emhoff had years before he even met Kamala Harris that — unlike some of Trump’s, did not involve sexual assault or dozens of felonies to cover up the affair. Then the NYT decided to join in the toddler chase, assigning two journalists to the story that still did not remotely involve any actions that could impact Harris’ fitness to be President (and adopted a double standard with Melania and any dalliances she has had).
Neither of these outlets have yet matched WaPo’s report on the suspect $10M payment via Egypt that kept Trump in his first race (even though CNN had led on the story prior to the WaPo’s recent story).
Indeed, when CNN did a story purporting to describe how Trump’s campaign has stumbled in the last two weeks, they didn’t mention the damning new evidence that Trump has been working for foreign countries all along.
American democracy has almost entirely spun free of any substance. And Trump is exploiting that situation to avoid any accountability.
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bawiggans says:
Memo: MSM to American Public
In Re: The “News”
I really don’t care. Do U?
Clare Kelly says:
Thank you for the reference to Margaret Sullivan’s newsletter, American Crisis.
Matt Foley says:
LOL at “toddler chase.” I love emptywheel.
If Trump won’t debate Harris because she’s already known then Harris shouldn’t debate Trump because he’s a known felon rapist adulterer. I wish she would just come out and say it; the gloves are already off and there’s no sense pretending he deserves civility. The MAGAs will cry “she so rude and nasty” but who cares.
The Trump tv ads make me ill. “Kamala Harris let dangerous criminals go free.” Every accusation is a confession.
CaptainCondorcet says:
What’s particularly funny about that line of attack on Harris is that a number of let’s call them “ultra-progressives” have posted for some time (and some still are posting) the exact opposite complaint, that she locked too many people away for too long. Which is going to make Trump’s argument look hollow at best if not false since people are more likely to trust Democrats slamming Democrats. I truly believe that either Trump’s team did no opposition research on Harris, or they did and he is too thick-skulled or misogynistic to actually bother understanding it.
grizebard says:
I think it’s more like throwing sh*t at the wall in the desperate hope that the more gullible will again fall for his worn-out MO. But since the latest polls seem to hint that Kamala has begun to overtake him, he increasingly risks that he will instead simply reveal himself to more and more decent Republicans and independents as the unpleasant erratic dirty old man that he truly is.
Once opinion begins to turn, his usual antics could backfire, and make things escalate downhill for him very quickly.
Shumidog says:
“then Harris shouldn’t debate Trump because he’s a known felon rapist adulterer. I wish she would just come out and say it; the gloves are already off and there’s no sense pretending he deserves civility”
So do I. Being known as a bitch will go much further with that crowd.
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Rayne says:
Your theory doesn’t hold water, Exhibit A: Hillary Clinton.
giorgino says:
“Donald Trump continues to exploit people who imagine themselves to be journalists with reckless abandon.”
What, “the journalists with reckless abandon”? Or exploit people with reckless abandon who imagine themselves to be journalists?
I know you hate this kind of comment, but really…
Matt Foley says:
You lost me. Where do you see this?
Matt___B says:
On the main page beneath the photo, not in the article itself.
ExRacerX says:
My parsing:
Donald Trump (Subject) continues to exploit (Verb Phrase) people who imagine themselves to be journalists (Noun Phrase/Object) with reckless abandon (Prepositional Phrase modifying previous Verb Phrase).
I believe that conforms to your second framing of it.
Gil Bagnell says:
Yes, we know what it means, but there is an ambiguity caused by the placement of a verb modifier after two different verbs, giving rise to the assumption that the second (nearer) verb is the one modified. Maybe “With reckless abandon, Trump continues to exploit people who imagine themselves to be journalists.” That also puts the modifier close to the subject of the verb, Trump, who is the one who has the reckless abandon.
ExRacerX says:
“We”? You didn’t ask the question, Gil, and so I wasn’t typing at you.
Sandor Raven says:
“Reckless abondon”: why not just consider it applicable to BOTH?
earlofhuntingdon says:
I find your comment ambiguous; perhaps I mean inconsistent. You knew, and yet you made the comment.
giorgino says:
LOL!
RitaRita says:
Maybe the explanation for the poor journalism is the August heat and humidity. Where are the investigative reporters digging around to find out who yanked Trump off the stage at the NABJ?
Today’s online edition of the Washington Post has an article “JD Vance’s Marine Buddies Back his Service Over his Politics”.
There is this gem talking about his decision to enlist: “But his optimism was short-lived as the war, deemed necessary by President George W. Bush after spurious intelligence indicated a threat to US security…”. It then discussed Vance’s speech at the Heritage Foundation where he blamed the foreign service for the intelligence failure. Just bought right in to the Vance talking point that blames the foreign service and intelligence community for the convenient cherry-picking by Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc.
And they are still covering the assassination attempt and Secret Service failures without discussing the just released report by the DHS IG on the Secret Service’s handling of the events around Jan. 6th. Even with the redactions, it makes the Secret Service look like the Keystone Kops.
CovariantTensor says:
“Today’s online edition of the Washington Post has an article “JD Vance’s Marine Buddies Back his Service Over his Politics”.”
I learned for the first time in that article that Vance wasn’t even originally his name. So that removes all doubt in my mind that he is *not* related to Cyrus Sr., Secretary of State under Jimmy Carter, or Jr., Manhattan DA preceding Bragg.
earlofhuntingdon says:
Even that’s a stretch. Vance joined the Marines right out of high school. As an enlisted Marine, he worked in public affairs. Apparently, he’s never changed jobs.
His wiki entry quotes him as saying that the Marines, “taught me how to live like an adult” – that happens to a lot of Marines, but the average twenty-year old knows a lot more than their eighteen-year old self – and that he was “lucky to escape any real fighting.”
Mumbles_05AUG2024_2257h says:
He’s had three different last names, I believe.
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Andrew Card: longtime automotive lobbyist and a guy who thinks he taught Lee Atwater all he knew. As a govt employee, he admonished new govt high-flyers that the worst choice they could make was to work for the govt.
higgs boson says:
Having trouble understanding the last paragraph: “American democracy has almost entirely spun free of any substance” ??
CaptainCondorcet says:
Without wanting to claim exactly what Dr. Wheeler was thinking, I read that line as indicating that the work of democracy (more specifically a democratic republic) such as candidate selection, candidate campaigning, and ultimately the act of deliberating between candidates culminating in a fair and free vote, has been compromised. That we are past the realm of heuristics as shortcuts for policies (which has been the case throughout American history) and into gimmicks as alternatives for policies, with the very institutions allegedly entrusted to safeguard democratic norms being some of the primary gimmick-users. There are numerous cases that this might be so, Dr. Wheeler has just chosen to focus on a big one – the seeming inability of our media to accept that Trump’s lies are of a different breed than the usual “half-truths” politicians love to use.
CovariantTensor says:
I took it to mean that we voters are being asked to choose based on meaningless criteria that the media are spinning for us.
Fancy Chicken says:
And why didn’t NYT or any major outlet other than WAPO call out Trump for lying that his agreement to debate on ABC was with Biden and therefore null and void now that Harris was the nominee?
ABC’s rules for the June and September debates only give parameter for candidates to qualify and do not mention any by name.
This. Another day, another new low in US journalism.
FiestyBlueBird says:
Fuck the media.
And not to dismiss the danger of Trump — we all know he’s damned dangerous, especially paired with the Supremes — but…
If Kamala’s support keeps snowballing; e.g., more things like, say, a fast growing “Republicans for Harris” movement — this could be fun.
I wish someone would take Elizabeth Cotten’s Fox Chase and string it out and lengthen the quickening pace heart of the song.
And dedicate it to the Harris campaign.
The young people are coming for Donald. He’s old. And he’s on the run.
Back to the TV now. Young people are running in Paris. Fast.
CovariantTensor says:
Harris should show up for the debate on the 10th and debate either Trump or an empty podium. I expect that’s what she will do. Even money on what Trump does.
The ABC debate on the 10th is presumably already set and scheduled–camera crew and staff, etc. If Trump wants to schedule an alternative “debate” on Fox, with a full arena (obviously of Trump supporters) then it’s on him. But that would just be a Trump rally, which is “known”. It should come out of his pocket.
Rayne says:
You’re just chattering now, exposing the fact you haven’t been paying attention.
Harris, who on Friday secured the delegate votes needed to clinch the Democratic nomination for the November 5 election, said Saturday that she plans to participate in the originally planned debate.
“It’s interesting how ‘any time, any place’ becomes ‘one specific time, one specific safe space,'” she wrote on social media platform X. “I’ll be there on Sept. 10, like he agreed to. I hope to see him there.”
I should also note that Googling for “harris debate abc september 10” nearly all the results start with “Trump [verb]…” while this Reuters-VOA entry is a lone exception. Ridiculous how the commercial media is spinning Trump’s exit from the debate for him and for free.
earlofhuntingdon says:
Yes, Trump reneged on a deal without a valid reason – a lifelong habit – and the press is letting him get away with it. His counterproposal is just that. An ask. Harris wisely rejected it. But it’s hard to see that from reading the lamestream press.
Alan Charbonneau says:
She probably made the right move, but I’d like to see her call his bluff. Go on Fox and tear him to shreds in front of his followers.
O/T Jenna Ellis has flipped in AZ false electors case.😁
Rayne says:
Please avoid using emojis as they are not searchable. Emoticons are acceptable.
Molly Pitcher says:
From Politico: “Bloomberg said today that they’d taken “disciplinary action” against multiple staffers involved in the much-criticized move last week to break news of the EVAN GERSHKOVICH prisoner swap before it was concluded. Per N.Y. Mag’s Charlotte Klein , star White House reporter JENNIFER JACOBS was fired.”
After Bloomberg’s story was posted online, the White House called the outlet asking for the story to be removed as Gershkovich and other prisoners had not yet been freed, according to this person. Bloomberg declined to take the story down, which frustrated the White House.
I know the “free press” is a thing, but reporting as fact something that hasn’t happened yet, is not what I’d call responsible journalism.
earlofhuntingdon says:
There is a tendency in govt and in corporate America to make only the little people pay a price. Under that rule, it’s better to put one journalist on the dole and mark the copybooks of a few more than it is to hold senior editors and the publisher to the same standard.
Fraud Guy says:
The bucks flow to the top, but stop at the bottom.
Harry Eagar says:
Editors, not reporters, call the shots. Unless Bloomberg is strange.
I think you give too much credit to the Times and the rest of the Media for being “blind” to their journalists'(sic) framing of the news. I think it is intentional. Those folks represent the Oligarchy and the other big money players, like banks, which would do just great under another Trump regime.
I, too, noticed the sneaky little stories about Emhoff, which should not have been published.
He is not the candidate. It was years ago, and I’ll just bet some of those pointing the finger have been in similar situations in their early days. Yes, by all means, print something similar about Melania’s “escort services” days. (Sleeziness is a Trump brand.)
timbozone says:
Yes, it is possible that the editors intended what was written to be published.
ShallMustMay08 says:
If this is valid, it looks to me like FOX had already offered Wiles and LaCivita here with a request to a different date to sponsor “a” debate. NYT went to press with garbage for 4Sep, but FOX wants 17Sep.
I saw this two days ago. Won’t vouch for it myself obv, but could see that NYT did not care to cross check anything. (Hope the link is okay to add here; threads does not track me (to my knowledge ;))
As to the chasing sex, NYT has no interest in American democracy. Full circle to the Yellow Lady.
Matt Foley says:
Press Release:
I have agreed with my lender that I will buy Mar a Lago for $200,000. The owner has claimed it is worth over $1 billion but he has not been offered a better price than mine today. Alternatively, I will wrestle him for it in front of a FULL ARENA CROWD. Michael Cohen will be the referee.
earlofhuntingdon says:
Odd numbers you chose. Membership at MAL used to cost $200,000, double what it was before Trump ran for president. He just bumped it to $1,000,000. He must need the money. By November, it won’t be worth the original sticker price.
xyxyxyxy says:
You must have missed the 2015 news that he was going to self-fund his campaign.
earlofhuntingdon says:
You make the oddest assumptions.
scroogemcduck says:
That’s simply terrible news about Doug Emhoff. After reading that, I definitely won’t be voting for him to be President.
/s
dogshelpgod says:
If only Emhoff had been smart enough to pay hush money, he would have not lost your vote. I can forgive his affair, but I’m not voting for him because now all of a sudden he claims he’s Jewish.
Rayne says:
I hope you intended that as snark — and I don’t mean about voting for First Spouse. -__-
grizebard says:
=splutter= Nor for that dodgy Kavanaugie character who keeps getting in the news dressed in a burkha. Oughterbealaw, I say…
xyxyxyxy says:
Would you if he cheated on his three other wives and had them all get abortions, all of which which we won’t know about till the October surprise?
OldTulsaDude says:
When will the New York Times be offered in grocery store checkout lines?
Error Prone says:
When there is a contract, and one side offers a modification, isn’t the norm to see what the other side says, accept or reject? In press terms, if something is said where contacting the Harris campaign is the norm, wtf is afoot if that is not done before going to publishing on a tweet?
Who are these people?
xyxyxyxy says:
“Justice” Gorsuch said it all on Fox on Sunday: FUCK YOU, unlike when in the case with the truck driver, before he became a justice, you should have frozen to death; your tough luck that you’re alive.
Rayne says:
Spend a little more time on clarity before publishing something like this. Better yet, use direct quotes and cite sources.
Matt___B August 6, 2024 at 7:17 am
Sounds like the guy feels he’s overworked and underpaid. If so, quit and go drive a truck.
Zinsky123 says:
So many Trump crimes, so little time. They haven’t properly investigated the bid-rigging allegations related to Trump’s interference in the construction of the new FBI building in 2017. Or charged him with tax evasion for the 40 year tax scam that the NYT uncovered. Or the 26 other women who have alleged sexual assault against Trump who have not had their day on court with the short-fingered vulgarian. This man should have gone to prison years ago.
xyxyxyxy says:
This man should have gone to prison DECADES ago.
Mumbles_05AUG2024_2257h says:
The head fake in the Trump agrees to debate with Fox News story was immediately obvious to anyone paying attention. I often go over to Fox News to engage in a little Kremlinology…and satisfaction when they demonstrate what idiots they are.
My response was to post: Hitler rand Goebbels agree to terms of debate with Churchill.
Fox News is an interesting place to lurk around. They have a little thing in the corner that allegedly shows how many “people ” are viewing each article. You can actually see “them” line up like an army of reserves to battle off non-MAGAts when an important story is about to drop and they want to distract you.
On Sunday morning, they were lined up to go after folks when news of the Egypt story was about to get more traction beyond just the WaPo. Whether from the Sunday newspapers or the morning talk shows. That was also the morning that Fox threw out Trump’s “agreement” to a debate with Fox, if I recall correctly.
A large percentage of their “viewers” are clearly bots, trolls, and for all I know, typists somewhere click-clacking at their typewriters in a warehouse. The goal is to get so many comments, almost all of which are one-liners, dropping at one time so that the thoughtful commentators will never see the light of day but will get washed downstream before you can see it.
It’s kind of fun to try to battle them back.
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Memo: MSM to American Public
In Re: The “News”
I really don’t care. Do U?
Thank you for the reference to Margaret Sullivan’s newsletter, American Crisis.
LOL at “toddler chase.” I love emptywheel.
If Trump won’t debate Harris because she’s already known then Harris shouldn’t debate Trump because he’s a known felon rapist adulterer. I wish she would just come out and say it; the gloves are already off and there’s no sense pretending he deserves civility. The MAGAs will cry “she so rude and nasty” but who cares.
The Trump tv ads make me ill. “Kamala Harris let dangerous criminals go free.” Every accusation is a confession.
What’s particularly funny about that line of attack on Harris is that a number of let’s call them “ultra-progressives” have posted for some time (and some still are posting) the exact opposite complaint, that she locked too many people away for too long. Which is going to make Trump’s argument look hollow at best if not false since people are more likely to trust Democrats slamming Democrats. I truly believe that either Trump’s team did no opposition research on Harris, or they did and he is too thick-skulled or misogynistic to actually bother understanding it.
I think it’s more like throwing sh*t at the wall in the desperate hope that the more gullible will again fall for his worn-out MO. But since the latest polls seem to hint that Kamala has begun to overtake him, he increasingly risks that he will instead simply reveal himself to more and more decent Republicans and independents as the unpleasant erratic dirty old man that he truly is.
Once opinion begins to turn, his usual antics could backfire, and make things escalate downhill for him very quickly.
“then Harris shouldn’t debate Trump because he’s a known felon rapist adulterer. I wish she would just come out and say it; the gloves are already off and there’s no sense pretending he deserves civility”
So do I. Being known as a bitch will go much further with that crowd.
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Your theory doesn’t hold water, Exhibit A: Hillary Clinton.
“Donald Trump continues to exploit people who imagine themselves to be journalists with reckless abandon.”
What, “the journalists with reckless abandon”? Or exploit people with reckless abandon who imagine themselves to be journalists?
I know you hate this kind of comment, but really…
You lost me. Where do you see this?
On the main page beneath the photo, not in the article itself.
My parsing:
Donald Trump (Subject) continues to exploit (Verb Phrase) people who imagine themselves to be journalists (Noun Phrase/Object) with reckless abandon (Prepositional Phrase modifying previous Verb Phrase).
I believe that conforms to your second framing of it.
Yes, we know what it means, but there is an ambiguity caused by the placement of a verb modifier after two different verbs, giving rise to the assumption that the second (nearer) verb is the one modified. Maybe “With reckless abandon, Trump continues to exploit people who imagine themselves to be journalists.” That also puts the modifier close to the subject of the verb, Trump, who is the one who has the reckless abandon.
“We”? You didn’t ask the question, Gil, and so I wasn’t typing at you.
“Reckless abondon”: why not just consider it applicable to BOTH?
I find your comment ambiguous; perhaps I mean inconsistent. You knew, and yet you made the comment.
LOL!
Maybe the explanation for the poor journalism is the August heat and humidity. Where are the investigative reporters digging around to find out who yanked Trump off the stage at the NABJ?
Today’s online edition of the Washington Post has an article “JD Vance’s Marine Buddies Back his Service Over his Politics”.
There is this gem talking about his decision to enlist: “But his optimism was short-lived as the war, deemed necessary by President George W. Bush after spurious intelligence indicated a threat to US security…”. It then discussed Vance’s speech at the Heritage Foundation where he blamed the foreign service for the intelligence failure. Just bought right in to the Vance talking point that blames the foreign service and intelligence community for the convenient cherry-picking by Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc.
And they are still covering the assassination attempt and Secret Service failures without discussing the just released report by the DHS IG on the Secret Service’s handling of the events around Jan. 6th. Even with the redactions, it makes the Secret Service look like the Keystone Kops.
“Today’s online edition of the Washington Post has an article “JD Vance’s Marine Buddies Back his Service Over his Politics”.”
I learned for the first time in that article that Vance wasn’t even originally his name. So that removes all doubt in my mind that he is *not* related to Cyrus Sr., Secretary of State under Jimmy Carter, or Jr., Manhattan DA preceding Bragg.
Even that’s a stretch. Vance joined the Marines right out of high school. As an enlisted Marine, he worked in public affairs. Apparently, he’s never changed jobs.
His wiki entry quotes him as saying that the Marines, “taught me how to live like an adult” – that happens to a lot of Marines, but the average twenty-year old knows a lot more than their eighteen-year old self – and that he was “lucky to escape any real fighting.”
He’s had three different last names, I believe.
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That would be the Cyrus Vance Jr. who dropped the prosecution of Donald Jr. and Ivanka Trump for real estate fraud (re Trump SoHo) after he met with Marc Kasowitz.
https://www.propublica.org/article/ivanka-donald-trump-jr-close-to-being-charged-felony-fraud
Maybe the Vance name gave Trump Sr. some warm fuzzy memories of things working out the way he wanted.
“From a marketing point of view, you don’t introduce new products in August.” -Andrew Card, Dubya’s Chief of Staff, 2002.
https://www.democracynow.org/2002/9/9/headlines/card_from_a_marketing_point_of_view_you_dont_introduce_new_products_in_august
Andrew Card: longtime automotive lobbyist and a guy who thinks he taught Lee Atwater all he knew. As a govt employee, he admonished new govt high-flyers that the worst choice they could make was to work for the govt.
Having trouble understanding the last paragraph: “American democracy has almost entirely spun free of any substance” ??
Without wanting to claim exactly what Dr. Wheeler was thinking, I read that line as indicating that the work of democracy (more specifically a democratic republic) such as candidate selection, candidate campaigning, and ultimately the act of deliberating between candidates culminating in a fair and free vote, has been compromised. That we are past the realm of heuristics as shortcuts for policies (which has been the case throughout American history) and into gimmicks as alternatives for policies, with the very institutions allegedly entrusted to safeguard democratic norms being some of the primary gimmick-users. There are numerous cases that this might be so, Dr. Wheeler has just chosen to focus on a big one – the seeming inability of our media to accept that Trump’s lies are of a different breed than the usual “half-truths” politicians love to use.
I took it to mean that we voters are being asked to choose based on meaningless criteria that the media are spinning for us.
And why didn’t NYT or any major outlet other than WAPO call out Trump for lying that his agreement to debate on ABC was with Biden and therefore null and void now that Harris was the nominee?
ABC’s rules for the June and September debates only give parameter for candidates to qualify and do not mention any by name.
https://abc.com/news/adaaae86-2621-41c7-b8f3-33a5215783f2/category/1138628
This. Another day, another new low in US journalism.
Fuck the media.
And not to dismiss the danger of Trump — we all know he’s damned dangerous, especially paired with the Supremes — but…
If Kamala’s support keeps snowballing; e.g., more things like, say, a fast growing “Republicans for Harris” movement — this could be fun.
I wish someone would take Elizabeth Cotten’s Fox Chase and string it out and lengthen the quickening pace heart of the song.
And dedicate it to the Harris campaign.
The young people are coming for Donald. He’s old. And he’s on the run.
Back to the TV now. Young people are running in Paris. Fast.
Harris should show up for the debate on the 10th and debate either Trump or an empty podium. I expect that’s what she will do. Even money on what Trump does.
The ABC debate on the 10th is presumably already set and scheduled–camera crew and staff, etc. If Trump wants to schedule an alternative “debate” on Fox, with a full arena (obviously of Trump supporters) then it’s on him. But that would just be a Trump rally, which is “known”. It should come out of his pocket.
You’re just chattering now, exposing the fact you haven’t been paying attention.
Reuters via VOA: Harris rejects Trump’s idea to debate her on FOX with live audience
August 03, 2024 8:18 PM
Excerpt:
I should also note that Googling for “harris debate abc september 10” nearly all the results start with “Trump [verb]…” while this Reuters-VOA entry is a lone exception. Ridiculous how the commercial media is spinning Trump’s exit from the debate for him and for free.
Yes, Trump reneged on a deal without a valid reason – a lifelong habit – and the press is letting him get away with it. His counterproposal is just that. An ask. Harris wisely rejected it. But it’s hard to see that from reading the lamestream press.
She probably made the right move, but I’d like to see her call his bluff. Go on Fox and tear him to shreds in front of his followers.
O/T Jenna Ellis has flipped in AZ false electors case.😁
Please avoid using emojis as they are not searchable. Emoticons are acceptable.
From Politico: “Bloomberg said today that they’d taken “disciplinary action” against multiple staffers involved in the much-criticized move last week to break news of the EVAN GERSHKOVICH prisoner swap before it was concluded. Per N.Y. Mag’s Charlotte Klein , star White House reporter JENNIFER JACOBS was fired.”
Good!
What I’d like to know, is who at Bloomberg refused to take the story down when the White House called shortly after they posted it. From CNN:
I know the “free press” is a thing, but reporting as fact something that hasn’t happened yet, is not what I’d call responsible journalism.
There is a tendency in govt and in corporate America to make only the little people pay a price. Under that rule, it’s better to put one journalist on the dole and mark the copybooks of a few more than it is to hold senior editors and the publisher to the same standard.
The bucks flow to the top, but stop at the bottom.
Editors, not reporters, call the shots. Unless Bloomberg is strange.
(It’s website is certainly strange.)
I think you give too much credit to the Times and the rest of the Media for being “blind” to their journalists'(sic) framing of the news. I think it is intentional. Those folks represent the Oligarchy and the other big money players, like banks, which would do just great under another Trump regime.
I, too, noticed the sneaky little stories about Emhoff, which should not have been published.
He is not the candidate. It was years ago, and I’ll just bet some of those pointing the finger have been in similar situations in their early days. Yes, by all means, print something similar about Melania’s “escort services” days. (Sleeziness is a Trump brand.)
Yes, it is possible that the editors intended what was written to be published.
If this is valid, it looks to me like FOX had already offered Wiles and LaCivita here with a request to a different date to sponsor “a” debate. NYT went to press with garbage for 4Sep, but FOX wants 17Sep.
I saw this two days ago. Won’t vouch for it myself obv, but could see that NYT did not care to cross check anything. (Hope the link is okay to add here; threads does not track me (to my knowledge ;))
https://www.threads.net/@yasharali/post/C-N7M4ePeYw
As to the chasing sex, NYT has no interest in American democracy. Full circle to the Yellow Lady.
Press Release:
I have agreed with my lender that I will buy Mar a Lago for $200,000. The owner has claimed it is worth over $1 billion but he has not been offered a better price than mine today. Alternatively, I will wrestle him for it in front of a FULL ARENA CROWD. Michael Cohen will be the referee.
Odd numbers you chose. Membership at MAL used to cost $200,000, double what it was before Trump ran for president. He just bumped it to $1,000,000. He must need the money. By November, it won’t be worth the original sticker price.
You must have missed the 2015 news that he was going to self-fund his campaign.
You make the oddest assumptions.
That’s simply terrible news about Doug Emhoff. After reading that, I definitely won’t be voting for him to be President.
/s
If only Emhoff had been smart enough to pay hush money, he would have not lost your vote. I can forgive his affair, but I’m not voting for him because now all of a sudden he claims he’s Jewish.
I hope you intended that as snark — and I don’t mean about voting for First Spouse. -__-
=splutter= Nor for that dodgy Kavanaugie character who keeps getting in the news dressed in a burkha. Oughterbealaw, I say…
Would you if he cheated on his three other wives and had them all get abortions, all of which which we won’t know about till the October surprise?
When will the New York Times be offered in grocery store checkout lines?
When there is a contract, and one side offers a modification, isn’t the norm to see what the other side says, accept or reject? In press terms, if something is said where contacting the Harris campaign is the norm, wtf is afoot if that is not done before going to publishing on a tweet?
Who are these people?
“Justice” Gorsuch said it all on Fox on Sunday: FUCK YOU, unlike when in the case with the truck driver, before he became a justice, you should have frozen to death; your tough luck that you’re alive.
Spend a little more time on clarity before publishing something like this. Better yet, use direct quotes and cite sources.
“Justice Neil Gorsuch warns Biden to ‘be careful’ with Supreme Court reforms
In an interview with Fox News, Justice Neil Gorsuch highlighted the need for a fair justice system” . https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/justice-neil-gorsuch-warns-biden-careful-supreme-court-reforms-rcna165085 and “ Judge Gorsuch and the frozen truck driver” https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/21/opinions/judge-gorsuch-the-frozen-truck-driver-opinion-callan/index.html
And then there’s this little gem just published in the Atlantic – “America has too many laws”:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/08/america-has-too-many-laws-neil-gorsuch/679237/
Matt___B August 6, 2024 at 7:17 am
Sounds like the guy feels he’s overworked and underpaid. If so, quit and go drive a truck.
So many Trump crimes, so little time. They haven’t properly investigated the bid-rigging allegations related to Trump’s interference in the construction of the new FBI building in 2017. Or charged him with tax evasion for the 40 year tax scam that the NYT uncovered. Or the 26 other women who have alleged sexual assault against Trump who have not had their day on court with the short-fingered vulgarian. This man should have gone to prison years ago.
This man should have gone to prison DECADES ago.
The head fake in the Trump agrees to debate with Fox News story was immediately obvious to anyone paying attention. I often go over to Fox News to engage in a little Kremlinology…and satisfaction when they demonstrate what idiots they are.
My response was to post: Hitler rand Goebbels agree to terms of debate with Churchill.
Fox News is an interesting place to lurk around. They have a little thing in the corner that allegedly shows how many “people ” are viewing each article. You can actually see “them” line up like an army of reserves to battle off non-MAGAts when an important story is about to drop and they want to distract you.
On Sunday morning, they were lined up to go after folks when news of the Egypt story was about to get more traction beyond just the WaPo. Whether from the Sunday newspapers or the morning talk shows. That was also the morning that Fox threw out Trump’s “agreement” to a debate with Fox, if I recall correctly.
A large percentage of their “viewers” are clearly bots, trolls, and for all I know, typists somewhere click-clacking at their typewriters in a warehouse. The goal is to get so many comments, almost all of which are one-liners, dropping at one time so that the thoughtful commentators will never see the light of day but will get washed downstream before you can see it.
It’s kind of fun to try to battle them back.
[Moderator’s note: see your comment at 10:57 pm in this thread. /~Rayne]