What If You Had a Military Summit Defending the Future of Democracy and No One... Shooting at Trump Event 
What If You Had a Military Summit Defending the Future of Democracy and No One... Shooting at Trump Event
Donald Trump Jr has posted a “Who Is JD Vance” video to his socials. The video is from Vance’s Senate campaign launch and is tantamount to saying Vance is the veep who will do as Trump asks in 2028, should things get to that point.
That would also make Vance the person to beat in the GOP primary if Trump loses this year and it sticks.
It isn’t 2016. A Trump president in 2025 would be one that has learned. Learned how to destroy the American experiment from within. There will be no “White Knights” in his administration, nor in the government at large.
I sort of read “the VP who will do as Trump asks in 2028” as a typo for Jan 6, 2029. Do what Mike Pence wouldn’t.
I might listen to this drop again, but could you save me some time by pointing out where in this worthy podcast Marcy or Nicole mention Peter Thiel’s boi/most recent legislative purchase, JD Vance?
Thanks in advance.
Yes, but I am sure that Don Jr and the rest of the Trump mob family are wondering how they will control Vance if he were to become President. They will need leverage after their mob moss is gone.
Mob families are cunning, sharp, and skillful. The incompetent Trump crime family are none of those things.
At best, the Trump crime family is sophomoric, dimwitted, and reckless.
Right. I’m not sure much Trump family influence over the Republican party will survive once Donald, Sr. is gone. But the extra toxic style of politics, the shamelessness of the corruption, the subversion of rule of law—those legacies will last. Plenty of Republicans will be competing to take up the mantle, and Vance is one of the most power-hungry and ruthless.
Covered all the bases and that’s very satisfying, uplifting actually – to know that we can trust our own eyes and ears. I love that Nicole Sanders and her guests take the time to research, present facts, and present a clear explanation, and with humour – yes if you can’t laugh, you’ll just cry. Be tough, I know that gallows humour being from a family mostly in the health field.
You’re all probably sick of me and my constant referrals to Timothy Snyder’s 20 Lessons.
In this case I’ll refer to lesson 8.
Stand out. Someone has to. It is easy to follow along. It can feel strange to do or say something different. But without that unease, there is no freedom. Remember Rosa Parks. The moment you set an example, the spell of the status quo is broken, and others will follow. Thanks EW for this broadcast.
“Fridays with” is an invaluable cathartic exhale opportunity.
Thank you.
Normally I can’t even listen to Trump’s voice on news clips but Nicole’s “defiant” Trump gaffe-track, complete with error buzzer, will help me through the election.
I’m healed!
Among the many salient points, this one bears repeating to every breathless media figure: Who is Joe Biden ‘defying’?
Not the primary voters, for starters.
Spot on. Seems the celebs, some elected members of the Democrat party itself, and the etcetera believe the primary voters fall in line behind them.
The arrogance.
Hours later, I find myself chuckling again at Nicole’s song for the Ragin’ Cajun.
Unsatisfied with his previous legacy of bombastic bad takes, James Carville weighed in to double down because… the country needs to hear from another aggrieved southern white guy?
On the other hand, given his largely unsuccessful campaign strategy advice, perhaps it bodes well for Biden/Harris 2024 that he has done so.
Sadly, he’s campaigning for a few down-ballot candidates.
He must come cheap. I have to marvel at how bad some democratic strategists can be & still be employed as such.
was hoping there was talk on Biden’s rally in MI. It.Was.Glorious!
I’m going to watch this video now, I’m just so pumped that that rally was invigorating! I was jumping up and down, clapping..crying! thanks.
Thank You, I researched and watched the entire 44 minute video of the MI. rally today. Biden really is an incredibly intelligent, great President. WE the people see.
Thank You : )
The rally was hours after we taped. Even an hour or two after the show aired. But it was so good I may share the whole thing on Monday’s show!
Enjoyed watching you rock out to that tasty rendition of the great A cappella standard; Shut the Fuck Up. /g
excellent show Marcy and Nicole. Loved the ‘what was I saying’, ‘I got confused’ or the moment Marcy didn’t respond to Nicole’s statement and she had to call Marcy’s name, I thought ‘senior moment’. LOL It was all great perspective and soothed my troubled soul. To the Q of ‘why is the Press like this?’ and you didn’t know? Is this possibly the result of corporate media buyout of all stations and then dictate narrative? print too?
I’ve started going around asking if people have registered to vote, put up signs offering to drive folks to register at my senior center. I might even make a sign and stand on Hwy 126 and Territorial Rd VOTE FOR DEMOCRACY. good evening.
Love the actions you are taking! Well done,
When you take people to register, ask them about friends and neighbors you (or they) can help register. Get a little multiplier going.
I know that spot! PERFECT place for a sign like that. Do it!
The media silence on what Joe Biden said on the campaign trail is evidence consistent with Ms. Wheeler’s observations. The “Biden is too old” line was always a con to allow journalists to print and announce simplified baloney that avoided discussing what has happened in the last four years. It seems like the political equivalent of football quarterback stories. Its much simpler to write and talk about the failures or successes of the quarterback than to analyze what the team is so dependent on one player.
I retired from a library system which has 20 branches and a large main library. In the time I was there, I worked in 10 different locations serving diverse communities. As a manager, not only did I routinely assist customers with their needs, I also spent a great deal of time on logistical and analytical tasks.
Consequently, I’ve come to think of the present situation in similar terms. I am very grateful that Joe Biden is our President. He is and has been working to our benefit and to the benefit of a healthy world order every single day, all while having to clean up the terrible mess that Trump made (and continues to make.) Nobody can honestly dispute that.
Nor can we dispute that there are logistical issues within the party. I don’t know the specifics of particular members of Congress. But the concerns do seem to be growing, and some may have merit.
Analytically, I can’t help but think of one logical possibility. If the Biden-Harris ticket wins and POTUS later becomes unable to continue in a robust manner, there is no guarantee that Harris would be able to secure a VP of her own if she were to become President. This would be an obvious vulnerability to security. But if Joe Biden were to throw his full support behind her now, he could become the bridge that he once said he would be.
It would be a historic accomplishment if he succeeded in helping her to achieve a national goal representative of the democracy we say we value. And it would also eliminate the jeopardy of potentially being placed in a position of not having a VP securely in place for the next term or administration.
It also might help to repair that rift still in the national psyche caused by Clarence Thomas when he lied about Anita Hill. Imagine how different things might have been.
Just a reminder for those few who don’t know it: in such a circumstance the first in line behind her would be Mike Johnson or Hakeem Jeffries (at least presumptively). Let’s hope for a House and Senate that would (a) make it Jeffries (b) rapidly approve her VP choice.
I’m not clear who assume the responsibilities temporarily during a President’s medical procedures when there is no VP; presumably the Speaker again?
Of course this is all spinning out what is for now a speculation.
I thought it would be the Secretary of State who would be next in line before the Speaker of the House.
The Michigan rally was great! Biden has his verbal stumbles, but his message was delivered with the passion which we don’t see when he is performing in his role as President. The Candidate has fire in his belly!
Speaker, Senate Pres pro tem, then Sec State.
Reagan’s Sec’y of State thought so, too. He said so on TV. He was wrong.
See, Presidential Succession Act, 1947, as amended. Under an earlier version of the statute, the Sec’y State was first in line, after the VP. That was changed in 1947, to put the Speaker and then Senate President Pro Tem ahead of the Sec’y State, presumably because they were elected, not appointed, officials.
The difficulty is that appointing a new VP, when the VP becomes President, requires a majority vote in both the House and Senate. If Dems don’t take both houses, it will be hard to name anyone.
re “shots fired” at Trump rally: just watched the footage, and Trump reacts to something hitting the side of his right face, then the Secret Service pull him down onto the ground and swarm him for several seconds, then the slowly get him up and you can see blood on the side of his face and blood on the cloth they were putting on it. seems like area by his right ear is bleeding. trump raised his fist and yelled as they rushed him off stage.
fuck
(note: this comment was in moderation so getting posted after much more info is out…)
Yes, sorry about the delay. One thing I haven’t heard in any reporting so far is the time of the shooting — your auto-modded comment gets me closer to the time.
He said top of his right ear.
That’s…awfully close to fatal.
And when they got him down, he should have *stayed* down until they told him it was safe. The videos show that he didn’t want to go down OR stay down.
Community Members: please avoid spreading or generating misinformation or disinformation. See WNYC Studio’s On The Media’s pointers on how to make sense of ongoing reporting:
BREAKING NEWS CONSUMER’S HANDBOOK
1. In the immediate aftermath, news outlets will get it wrong.
2. Don’t trust anonymous sources.
3. Don’t trust stories that cite another news outlet as the source of the information.
4. There’s almost never a second shooter.
5. Pay attention to the language the media uses.
• “We are getting reports”… could mean anything.
• “We are seeking confirmation”… means they don’t have it.
• “[News outlet] has learned”… means it has a scoop or is going out on limb.
6. Look for news outlets close to the incident.
7. Compare multiple sources.
8. Big news brings out the fakers. And photoshoppers.
9. Beware reflexive retweeting. Some of this is on you.
Link to the handbook.
Thank you. The Secret Service and other law enforcement deserve a few days to investigate and provide some facts.
Thank you for setting an example and Marcy for her stalwart leadership.
Thanks for those cautions. The only speculation I’m going to make is how widely the campaign and the media will be showing that photo of TFG with his fist raised in defiance. A PR team or campaign strategist could not have asked for a better image.
Damn.
Yeah, it’s a propaganda bonanza.
NYT has a story by the photographer Doug Mills:
A Times Photographer Who Was Feet Away From Trump Describes the Shooting “I hope I get the right shot. I hope I’m not shot myself,” said Doug Mills, who has been photographing presidents since 1983. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/13/us/politics/doug-mills-trump-photo.html Doug Mills [Doug Mills photographed the Trump rally in Butler, Pa.] July 13, 2024
Just to be clear what I’m saying…
ANY person would be shocked and drained,
but somehow TRUMP got the photo he needed.
Mills’ photo(s) didn’t speak to me – this photo by Anne Moneymaker/Getty Images did.
https://images.cnbctv18.com/uploads/2024/07/413852535-2024-07-727f3c2075bedad7b520cda5a6f7c421-scaled.jpg?im=Resize,width=360,aspect=fit,type=normal
She had an incredible location to get this shot, must have great reflexes. She got what I think was the last photo of Trump before he realized what had happened and his reflexive narcissism kicked in, swamping this brief bit of vulnerability.
Trump and the right-wing will detest this photo for making Trump look human.
Thanks for posting that, Rayne.
Great description: “Trump before he realized what had happened and his reflexive narcissism kicked in”.
I couldn’t remember where I’d seen it.
Yes, Rayne, that is quite a photo. If I didn’t loathe him so much, I would feel sorry for an old man in shock after such an attack.
A friend recently told me that her mother (94, widowed, Jewish, fairly active, moderately good health) has been saying she’s really not interested in living much longer because she’s afraid for the future. I can relate, but I’m keeping on keeping on (money, postcards, etc)
I’m not writing about the event…I’m writing about how the media is covering the event.
Biden Condemns Shooting at Trump Rally, Calling it ‘Sick’ “There’s no place in America for this kind of violence,” President Biden said in a nationally televised statement. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/13/us/politics/biden-trump-rally.html
Peter Baker July 13, 2024 [VIDEO]
FU for that “Biden’s relative slowness” !!!
Also, it’s aggravating that Biden has temporarily relinquished the political communications arena because of this…TRUMP will take full advantage of that silence.
Also…in Baker’s list of “similar expressions by other senior Democrats”
he OMITS to list Bill and Hillary CLINTON and then writes:
I hear you re: “relinquished the political communications”, yet it’s fairly standard to pull advertisement in order to reexamine the language after such incidents.
I’m waiting to hear any indication that TRUMP’s campaign is
also reexamining language…I won’t hold my breath.
10/2/20 [The TRUMPs and lots of WH people
are testing positive for COVID, TRUMP going to hospital]
https://x.com/kylegriffin1/status/1312150576482807808
6:00 PM · Oct 2, 2020
https://x.com/kylegriffin1/status/1312173056945655808
7:30 PM · Oct 2, 2020
Is Jonathan Turley bothsidesing this issue? Because it looks like Trump and the GOP are ramping up their partisan attacks, while the Dems play the gentleman. Surely, there’s a middle ground that doesn’t cede the whole field to Republicans.
https://x.com/jaketapper/status/1312154745176375296
6:17 PM · Oct 2, 2020
I am FVCKING Exhausted with DEMS constantly bringing a knife to a nuclear war.
But you know that any other response from Obama would have been denigrated even more severely because uppity brown people need to be obedient and silent when not.
Thanks, harpie.
Re: “I’m not writing about the event…I’m writing about how the media is covering the event.”
I normally listen to NPR’s Weekend Edition on Sunday Mornings while I’m doing the week’s laundry. It’s usually fairly innocuous. (Weekend Edition, not my laundry).
This morning, in a moment calling for journalistic restraint, NPR gave us Mara Liasson calling a shooting a ‘win for Donald Trump’, and Ayesha Rascoe repeating JD Vance’s craven and opportunistic message directly blaming President Biden for the shooting.
I’m now chuckling at myself shooting off an email to NPR’s Public Editor with links to On The Media’s Breaking News Consumers Handbook, NPR’s own Code of Ethics, and SPJ’s Code of Ethics.
I felt fairly hopeless and needed to take some sort of action against the shattering of my heretofore Sunday haven. Even the wool dryer balls with a few drops of lavender oil didn’t help, lol.
Once again, I thank both Marcy for her clear headed response, and Rayne for her stewardship.
I listened to NPR this morning as well, and this exchange really ticked me off:
She explicitly asked him a both-and question, and he pretended that it was either-or and refused to answer the question, and she let him get away with it. I’m so fed up with reporters who don’t know how to call someone out on refusing to answer the question.
I should have added that his unspoken but clearly implied answer was “no, I don’t condemn Republican rhetoric,” and he should have been asked why not, not that he would have actually answered that either.
Verdad.
It is FINALLY occurring to me (at long long last) that our media whores cue up these kinds of questions to ask in order to display their purported objectivity, and they don’t give a flying crap what answers they get. I for one was hoping that the massive gulf between the unparalleled bile and viciousness of the Trumpian response to his near-death experience, seen against the relative good will displayed in every official Dem response, would wake some of these media clowns (AND their producers) up. Clearly, I need to get my head examined.
About that raised fist, someone on ‘X’ commented that the raised fist is a thing fascist dictators do. Putin even weighed in. Lucky trump wasn’t indoors near a 13th floor window.
Well, raised fist is certainly something Josh Hawley would do.
David Frum:
https://web.archive.org/web/20240714150316/https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/07/donald-trump-democracy-dictator/679006/
Thank you and…wow.
Another column that I recommend, by A. R. Moxon:
https://www.the-reframe.com/gambling-in-casablanca/
Again, I thank you.
From the lede to his conclusion, he does indeed deliver “sharply faceted jewels of concision”*
To wit:
“Being blamed for a world of political violence by the people who force us to live in it, and are now shocked-shocked!—by it. Navigating the daily trauma of living in a bully’s paradise.”
[snip]
“As long as MAGA America continues to force us to live in their world of menace and abuse, I recommend we decline to take the blame for getting hit, and instead keep opposing them with exactly the same vigor as before, in the same way, and for the exact same reason: Not because we want a world of violence, but because we want a world without, and because we understand what is causing violence, and because in our opposition we are demonstrating our hopeful and expectant commitment to something better.
Hopefully they won’t be shocked.”
* Review of A..R. Moxon’s “The Revisionaries”
NPR
December 8, 2019
Trump endangered himself and his security by refusing to leave the stage. “I need my shoes!” Then he stood up on the limo making himself a target. Unfit for office.
They’re already selling t-shirts.
That raised-fist pose was deliberate on his part. It was unnecessary, too – the cult will still claim he’s a martyr.
Faux News is calling hm a “warrior” for that. More balls than brains.
Actually, neither. Just a rancid ego, who measures success by ratings, regardless of cost to others.
Yes. Trump refusing to get down, stay down, and refusing to leave the stage without his shoes endangered the lives of the USSS personnel who were shielding him with their own bodies. I can’t watch clips of him being such a selfish narcissistic asshole more worried about his image than about safety of himself and USSS personnel.
Absolutely. Perhaps it was the lifts he wanted, not the shoes.
Plus the stops for multiple fist bumps. On top of which, he’s three hundred pounds of wide girth and immovable joints.
Re: lifts
Which is why I suggested he was concerned with image.
Even if he’d been mortally wounded he would not want to face more damage to his ego.
Replying to Harpie:
harpie
July 14, 2024 at 1:09 pm
“I’m waiting to hear any indication that TRUMP’s campaign is
also reexamining language…I won’t hold my breath.”
My guess is only to add even more inflammatory rhetoric and images, if JD Vance is any indication, in accordance with their modus operandi.
Want to see the fundraising email the TRUMP camp
sent out before 11:00 PM last night?:
https://bsky.app/profile/pbump.com/post/3kx7lrhmgv22e
Jul 13, 2024 at 11:08 PM The fundraising pitch. [screenshot]
We got a fundraising letter from Ben Carson. We sent it back with a “Thoughts and prayers” charged to credit card that expires “Nov. 5, 2024 or when Trump goes to prison”.
Vance is likely still slapping on kneepads to suck up to Trump. He’ll continue the rhetoric because he knows that’s what Trump wants.
Vance must be taking tips from Lil’ Lindsey, who has kneepads to spare.
Dan Gillmor re: NY POST:
https://mastodon.social/@dangillmor/112783642933338644
Jul 14, 2024, 03:23 AM
Shooter was a white Republican exercising his right to carry an assault style rifle. Let’s sit back and watch the MAGA cult spin this.
Rifle belonged to his father. And a local who knew the guy said he was bullied in school and wore hunting clothes to class.
Every single damned sign,
My Youtube feed filled up with clips from international sources last night regarding this event. And all of them were notably slanted rightwards:
Sky News Australia (a Murdoch property, so of course), India Today, OneIndia News, Republic World (also from India). Sky News was particularly Biden-unfriendly, criticizing Biden for his “slow response” (Jan. 6 anyone?) and the 3 Indian outlets, which I had never heard of before, also seemed rather opinionated, and I guess reflective of the overall attitude of the Modi government. I shouldn’t be surprised, but I kind of thought the U.S. had a monopoly on watered-down propaganda masquerading as “news”.
Re: “and the 3 Indian outlets, which I had never heard of before, also seemed rather opinionated”
See:
“Over 265 fake local news sites in more than 65 countries are managed by an Indian influence network.”
EU Disinfo Lab
November 26, 2019
https://www.disinfo.eu/publications/uncovered-265-coordinated-fake-local-media-outlets-serving-indian-interests
“Slow response” – he responded faster than Donnie did to 1/6.
In my opinion, the attempt on Trump’s life enables the right to achieve three important things:
First, there will be claims that Trump is a “superman” leader who is able to take gunfire and walk away. Trump and the right will use this to claim that Trump is fearless, healthy, energetic, clever, fast on his feet, etc., while Biden will be portrayed as an old man.
Second, this will provide Trump and the right with the reason to engage in violence against their enemies, real and imagined.
Third, some part of the population will have sympathy for Trump and as a result this may cause some number of “undecided” or “changeable” voters to cast a vote for Trump.
It’s still nearly four months to the election. It’s not likely to have that much effect – especially since he’ll be *worse* than he was.
Most importantly, has George Clooney weighed in yet?
/s
LOL! Oh, my goodness, I needed that! :-)
OT:
Cannon has dismissed the classified documents case against Trump:
“Former President Trump’s Motion to Dismiss Indictment Based on the Unlawful Appointment and Funding of Special Counsel Jack Smith is GRANTED in accordance with this Order [ECF No. 326]. The Superseding Indictment is DISMISSED because Special Counsel Smith’s appointment violates the Appointments Clause of the United States Constitution.”
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67490070/672/united-states-v-trump/
Marcy already has a post up about it.
‘X’ is awash with many asking the questions no one in media is asking, & contending that given trump’s predilection for lying that the “assassination” attempt was staged. What seems to be true is that no bullet hit his ear which would have been mutilated they said had it actually been hit. He was cut by broken glass from a teleprompter. Two members of local police who were there described it as ‘shrapnel’ from the destroyed onstage equipment. Everyone in that area was pelted with broken shards from the equipment.