Trials of Insurrectionists are Not Simply an American Thing
While Donald Trump is defending himself in a NY courtroom (with other pre-trial battles being fought in other courtrooms), and while hundreds of January 6th insurrectionists sit in prison serving their sentences after their trials, and while other “Stop the Steal” related indictments move toward their own courtrooms, and while SCOTUS Justice Samuel Alito blames his wife for flying a US flag upside down for several days in the immediate aftermath of the January 6th insurrection, news of other trials of accused insurrectionists comes in from Deutsche Welle:
The most high-profile of three trials linked to a far-right coup plot begins on Tuesday in a newly erected courtroom on the outskirts of Frankfurt. The defendants are alleged to be the 10 ringleaders of a group led by German aristocrat Heinrich XIII Prince Reuss, and stand accused of preparing to commit high treason and of membership in a terrorist organization.
All the suspects, part of the so-called “Reichsbürger” movement, were allegedly plotting to overthrow the German government. They were allegedly planning to storm the German parliament and detain prominent politicians, including Chancellor Olaf Scholz, Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock and conservative opposition leader Friedrich Merz.
The Reichsbürger, or “citizens of the Reich,” reject Germany’s postwar state, claiming it was installed and controlled by the Allied powers who won World War II.
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The alleged military arm of this group has been facing court in Stuttgart since April 29. A further eight suspected members of the alleged association will have to stand trial in Munich from June 18 . . .
There’s more at the link, but a lot of it sounds disturbingly familiar:
- Weapons: in raids during December 2022, “more than 380 firearms were confiscated, along with almost 150,000 pieces of ammunition.”
- Support in the national parliament: “Birgit Malsack-Winkemann, a judge and former representative of the far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) party in the federal parliament, the Bundestag, . . . was allegedly to become justice minister after the coup.”
- Dream of support within the military
- Fantastic conspiracy theories about the deep state: “The prosecution has alleged that Reuss and his supporters believe that a “deep state” runs Germany and was planning to murder hundreds of children and teenagers. The group apparently believed the floods in Germany’s Ahr Valley in 2021 were an attempt to cover up murders already committed by flooding old government bunkers. Among Reuss’ supporters, there was talk of 600 dead children.”
- Anger at COVID restrictions and plans to kidnap political leaders
- Ties to Russia and plans for a future alliance.
The Guardian makes the parallels even more clear in their distillation of the 621 page indictment:
On trial are the group’s alleged ringleader, a self-styled aristocrat estate agent known as Prince Heinrich XIII, his Russian girlfriend, and seven other founding members including a former policeman and a former judge who is now an MP for the far-right AfD party.
According to federal prosecutors, the group planned to storm the Reichstag in Berlin with armed support via its paramilitary wing, to arrest members of the Bundestag, and to parade a shackled Olaf Scholz on German television in the hope and expectation of winning ordinary Germans around to their coup.
Call me crazy, but that sounds like a group of the January 6th plotters, doesn’t it?
Could it have worked? That’s apparently not a high possibility, but they were certainly heavily invested in making it happen:
Police say the group had amassed more than half a million euros in gold and cash, as well as hundreds of firearms, tens of thousands of rounds of ammunition and explosives. They had acquired satellite phones to stay in touch after the paramilitary wing had carried out plans to cut off the national communications networks and electricity.
The group had waited for “day X” to start the coup, with one believing the signal was the death of Queen Elizabeth II. When police stormed the house of one member, he shot at them, injuring two police officers.
Sophie Schönberger, an expert in constitutional law at Heinrich Heine University in Düsseldorf, and co-author of the book Reichsbürger, said: “The chances of such a putsch actually succeeding were not all that high, but it could have unleashed a considerable level of violence and was capable of sending shock waves through the system.”
CNN did an explainer of the Reichsbürger in March 2023, which included this:
Werner Patzelt, a political scientist and former professor at TU Dresden, believes the Reichsbürger is less of a “movement” but rather “a loosely coupled network of political stupids who believe that, or at least behave as if, the Federal Republic of Germany does not exist.”
“They claim that Germany is still an occupied country under US control, or a business enterprise registered in Frankfurt,” he told CNN.
“From such fictitious ‘facts’ they derive both a ‘right’ not to pay taxes and penalties, or to establish ‘provisional political authorities.’
“Much of this is operetta-like. In some cases, however, criminal energy goes hand in hand with political nonsense, leading to attacks on financial or police officers.”
Followers refuse to cooperate with the German state in a number of ways including not paying taxes or choosing to print their own currency and identity cards.
Tobias Ginsburg is a German journalist who reported undercover on Germany’s far-right scene.
“You meet people there of all walks of life,” Ginsburg said. “I met the stereotypes, but also normal people, the dentist from downtown, someone working with the tax revenue service, just normal people. Some had no idea what they had entered.”
What we are fighting in the US is not specific to the US. Whether these groups are coordinated (Russia, anyone?) or simply people in both countries being filled with nationalist gingoism, hatred and fear of The Other(s), and nostalgic views of a triumphant history that never was, those who dream fascist fantasies and work to bring them to life are alive and well around the world.
What bmaz says about the Trump trials here is true about the Reichsbürger trials in Germany. In and of themselves, these trials are not “magic bullets” that will immaculately solve the problems presented by these folks. “We tried them, found them guilty, and now everything is peachy keen” is no way to declare an insurrection over. While the trials are necessary part of addressing these problems, true solutions need to go much deeper and need to address the attractiveness of the AfD in Germany and the MAGA wing of the GOP in the US.
The MAGA wing of the GOP is essentially the whole bird, with few exceptions.
Vielen dank.
Thank you, Peterr, for this sobering post. The crazy denialism of the “Reichsbürger” is hard to believe, but it would be crazy to not take them seriously.
It’s most likely just a coincidene but makes me wonder nevertheless what I found ealier today on the internet: a Biden-Harris HQ post on X that Trump wants to create a “Unified Reich.” — https://[blank]x[blank].com/BidenHQ/status%5Bblank%5D/1792729818443727313 (I’m not sure if their links are permitted here; for the link to work, “[blank]” at 3 places should be removed).
The Biden/Harris post was a response to Truth Social repost which contained that language. The Trumpers blamed a staffer who failed to see the word “reich” and that post has now been removed. Draw your own conclusions.
Why does this remind me of the credits in Monty Python and the Holy Grail?
And don’t get me started on the llamas . . .
Thanks for the laugh. The credits were some of the best parts of the show.
I can heartily recommend watching it with “Subtitles For People Who Don’t Like The Film” on. It’s cobbled together from Shakespeare’s Henry IV and pretty closely matches what is happening in the film.
” The crazy denialism of the “Reichsbürger” is hard to believe, but it would be crazy to not take them seriously.”
Some people didn’t take Hitler seriously, at first.
That was partly because his little groupuscule was one of dozens of far-right, antisemitic, anti-communist parties, that is, there was a signal, but it was at first combined with a lot of noise. It was the 1923 putsch that put him on the national map, and got him access to more funding avenues. Even so, the party made no significant electoral headway until the Crash of 1929 upended the whole society.
As to the legitimacy or not of the German state, the Reichsburger’s ideas sound a lot like Sovereign Citizen BS. As we learn every day, stupid is bottomless.
The reason it sounds like Sovereign Citizen BS is that it actually is a German offshoot of the Sovereign Citizen movement. I haven’t seen this mentioned by the media, despite the trial getting some coverage here as well.
YouTuber Munecat has a good overview of this movement and their various offshoots (link is to the Reichsbürger part).
Jim Stewartson is calling on the press, military and government to act against the ongoing take-down of democracy and America:
https://www.mind-war.com/p/i-saw-a-monster
I Saw a Monster
Nearly four years later, it has shed its most of its camouflage.
The monster is fascism, an ideology bereft of humanity, empathy & compassion. It projects itself through human psychopathy, through a psychology of pure power and domination. People like Putin, Mike Flynn, Elon Musk and Donald Trump are just its claws.
Over just the last week, in America, the monster has made its goals very clear. It is rampaging through our population, sucking people up into its maw, while we sit by and gawk at it, or avert our eyes to obsess about Stormy Daniels.
Mike Flynn’s national insurrection tour took a multiple day stop in Omaha, where the Nazi training camp 88 Tactical, which chose a name that is a code for “Heil Hitler,” is located. Flynn took the opportunity to show himself shooting a gun there.
Six months ago, Mike Flynn said to Sandy Hook-denier Alex Jones “the sound of the guns is freedom.” Mike Flynn is preparing people, including people in law enforcement, for civil war, to fight for a New Confederacy.
Flynn is deploying his countless operators, Q believers, “citizen journalists,” digital soldiers and anti-government militias across the country, including “Pence Card” creator, January 6th insurrection-planner, Ivan Raiklin, whose call for “live swatting raids” and executions of Flynn and Trump’s enemies went viral on Elon Musk’s psychological warfare platform.
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Our mission, should we choose to accept it, is to demand that the media, the government, and the military do their jobs, and stop railroading us into the monster’s mouth. We know the plan for the election. We need to expose it and disrupt it before it happens. It’s going to require a counterinsurgency.
At the risk of repeating myself, fascism never stops. You cannot negotiate with it. You cannot coexist with it. The monster must be defeated. Rise up.
FYI:
https://www.mind-war.com/p/the-rough-plan-for-the-end-of-america
The Rough Plan for the End of America, Version 3.0
Our enemies, foreign and domestic, are projecting their tactics. All we have to do is listen.
Jim Stewartson
We’re in for a rough ride over the next eight months — until the inauguration. I think it’s important not to sugarcoat it. Our adversaries, foreign and domestic, are not hiding their plan, although it’s still got lots of moving parts. I’ve boiled down the outlines based on what they are telling us themselves.
This plan is being backed and executed by the same transnational organized crime network in the act of trying to overthrow a third US presidential election in a row.
Here’s how they did it 2016 ( https://www.mind-war.com/p/how-did-the-russians-steal-the-2016 ). Here’s how they tried in 2020 ( https://www.mind-war.com/p/-the-insurrection-was-plan-b ). This time they have a lot more resources in place — and a lot more practice.
The Rough Plan for the End of America, Version 3.0
Storming the German parliament sounds like tourists to me. It is almost summer, after all. Didn’t Rick Steves do an episode on this?
~Skeptical glance at the indictment~
“Russian girlfriend, huh?”
~Hands indictment back~
January 6th, the Reichsbürger plot, and the attack on the Brazilian Congress . . .I sense a trend here
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Our perspective tends to be rather western/European. The period 2020-present has been extremely active compared to the period 2010-2020, but many of the coups are in the global south which tend not to be covered well by US media. For example:
The increased number of coups on the African continent are in no small manner influenced by outsiders — the former Wagner Group comes to mind in particular as it strove to destabilize relations between African nations and the U.S. Can’t imagine what would have motivated Wagner Group…
Minerals.
Several observations here…
First off, a “Reichsbürger” sounds like something you’d buy at a really crappy German fast food outlet…
Second, blaming a staffer for failing to see the word ‘reich’ sounds a little too much like Alito blaming his wife for the upside down flag flying outside his house for several days…
Third, as far as different groups as far apart geographically as American and German radicals goes, the internet solved that problem quite some time ago. Factor in encrypted messaging apps and lord knows what’s being discussed in some corners that the rest of us never hear about.
And fourth… thank you for drawing attention to this, Peterr… I’ve been following this story line off and on for several years now and I think it’s good to put this out in the open a bit more.
As someone said above me, it could be not only crazy, but also quite dangerous, to not pay attention here.
If anyone’s so inclined, I recommend ‘Führer-Ex: Memoirs of a Former Neo-Nazi’ written by Ingo Hasselbach.
An excellent, if a bit dated, look inside the world of the serious, hard-core German Neo-nazi movement.
Thanks for the post. One person gone unmentioned so far in comments is Steve Bannon, who definitely seems to be all about starting and sustaining a global movement of miscreants.
Speaking of global, does anybody know of any good, current and relable English language journalism on (hopefully) post-Bolano Brazil? Thanks in advance!
The Guardian does a decent job if not as in depth as a Brazilian news outlet might. https://www.theguardian.com/world/brazil
Thanks!
OT:
In what was literally the most important debate of his life Trump folded. Weak. Can’t even defend himself in court but man does he love to talk in the hall. Cancel the POTUS debates, he’s not worthy.
He’ll find a way to walk from the debates and blame it on Biden.
The text about the unified Reich is a direct (unattributed of course) lift from the Wikipedia “World War I” article, in the description of the background to the war, specifically the desire to emulate the Royal Navy. It refers to the Second Reich of course. But I don’t think its inclusion, let alone the presentation as a fake newspaper lede makes it any more excusable.
More broadly, it refers back to the Gute Alte Tagen when Bismark brought together a bunch of small German-speaking states into a single, Greater Germany, which he ruled over for almost 20 years to make it a force to be reckoned with across Europe.
After WWI, with the crippling reparations payments and other sanctions imposed on Germany by the Treaty of Versailles, many Germans longed for a new Bismark to make Germany great again, and Hitler said “Pick me! Pick me!”
That’s the Weimar Republic in a nutshell! Thanks, Peterr. I’d only include after “… Versailles,” and “many Germans” the words “and the experience of the hyperinflation of 1923,”.
This is hardly imaginable these days, for details see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic.
As coincidences sometimes work: I had submitted a comment earlier today (which got stuck in moderation, most likely b/c of a link included), praising Peterr’s comment (2nd para.) as “The Weimar Republic in a nutshell,” and just proposed to add a hint on the hyperinflation in Germany in 1923. Only hours later, I came across a book title in a completely different context, that goes with the subject: Frederick Taylor (2013), “The Downfall of Money: Germany’s Hyperinflation and the Destruction of the Middle Class.”
I haven’t read it yet, but maybe someone else has.
Not sure if I should be perversely reassured that “sovereign citizen”-style claptrap isn’t limited to the United States, or whether I should feel perversely complicit in the Internet’s promulgation of American wingnuttery.
It used to be that wingnuts on opposites sides of the Atlantic Ocean had to spend weeks waiting for letters or newspapers or visitors to arrive, to hear what was happening “over there”. Today, a few clicks on a keyboard lets folks connect instantly, resulting in more cross-fertilization of wingnuttery.
Of course, it also works for those who *like* democracy, if we choose to use it.
One of the first EO’s the Sharpie signed undid the slight inroad we had gained under the Obama Admin (inclusion of right wing white boys in the definition of potential domestic terrorists) which could get federal funding, and until then, was proba the closest thing we had to Germany’s BfV; their domestic intelligence agency charged with protecting democratic order from extremist threats.
BfV classified AfD as ‘potentially’ extreme in 2021. This authorizes surveillance and infiltration. Some of AfD’s local branches are classified as (confirmed) extremist.
I wonder if BfV fulfill its duties in ways beyond LE; more along the lines of what you suggest.
I bet a fair percent of folks who got sucked into Qanon, which the Reichberger ‘movement’ has been compared to, would be attracted to nationwide adult education campaigns with similar qualities (shorn of malignancy); a treasure hunt that teaches critical thinking skills, and their value (to functional democracy).
Germany has strong freedom of speech and association laws, but they also have very strict anti-Nazi laws as well. The AfD has fought being subject to those anti-Nazi laws in court, and to date the courts have *not* been terribly sympathetic to their arguments.
Again, from Deutsche Welle on May 13:
https://www.dw.com/en/german-court-upholds-afd-suspected-extremist-status/a-69060959
A free society has not been the normal state for human civilization. It takes much effort to maintain and only a few to steal it away from the majority.
Much worse forms of social structure have been the norm.
Thanks for the post, Peterr. I vaguely recall reading about the arrest back when it happened, after Jan 6, and wondered if coups were becoming a thing.
I did a bit of wiki to check out #13 (Heinrich XIII) and it seems that while he wasn’t really unlucky, he certainly did let a great castle go to waste (Thallwitz, built 1580, now in neglected condition).
Thanks for writing about this, Peterr!
From the Die Deutsche Welle article:
That reminded me of #TallWillardGuy, Philip Luelsdorff, who was mentioned in #J6TL.
This is a CapitolHunters THREAD from 6/25/21 on the ThreadReader:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1408958890398519298.html
Luelsdorff was part of our conversation here:
https://www.emptywheel.net/2021/08/23/stop-the-steal-hints-of-the-january-5-rallies-in-the-january-6-riot-investigation/#comment-900728
[Peterr, Could you free a comment of mine from the pokey when you get a chance? Thanks!]
The unhinged MAGA “meme team” apparently behind Trump’s “unified Reich” video
Apparent “meme team” leader Brenden Dilley told women not to “worry your pretty head about those politics” and that “what you need to concern yourself with is how come the floors in the kitchen aren’t as shiny as they were two weeks ago” https://www.mediamatters.org/donald-trump/unhinged-maga-meme-team-apparently-behind-trumps-unified-reich-video 05/21/24
Done!
[I know little to nothing about what causes comments to get caught in the filters, but I suspect the general subject matter of this post may make more comments than usual get stuck.]
Thanks so much Peterr!
Sounds like he’s gonna try out as a kicker for the Kansas City Chiefs! /snark
Shakin’ my damn head.
They ALL look the same to me…
but there’s a lot more to that article if you get a chance to read it.
Will do. Thank you!
Here’s a good piece linking Butker, Alito and “the cult of fascists”:
https://bsky.app/profile/juliusgoat.bsky.social/post/3kstwltvx2n2q
May 19, 2024 at 10:09 AM
This is part of what Marcy writes about today, here:
https://www.emptywheel.net/2024/05/23/natalie-harp-gatekeeper-to-the-reich/