Trials of Insurrectionists are Not Simply an American Thing

Looking backwards to an imaginary past to justify a fascist future

While Donald Trump is defending himself in a NY courtroom (with other pre-trial battles being fought in other courtrooms), and while hundreds of January 6th insurrectionists sit in prison serving their sentences after their trials, and while other “Stop the Steal” related indictments move toward their own courtrooms, and while SCOTUS Justice Samuel Alito blames his wife for flying a US flag upside down for several days in the immediate aftermath of the January 6th insurrection, news of other trials of accused insurrectionists comes in from Deutsche Welle:

The most high-profile of three trials linked to a far-right coup plot begins on Tuesday in a newly erected courtroom on the outskirts of Frankfurt. The defendants are alleged to be the 10 ringleaders of a group led by German aristocrat Heinrich XIII Prince Reuss, and stand accused of preparing to commit high treason and of membership in a terrorist organization.

All the suspects, part of the so-called “Reichsbürger” movement, were allegedly plotting to overthrow the German government. They were allegedly planning to storm the German parliament and detain prominent politicians, including Chancellor Olaf Scholz, Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock and conservative opposition leader Friedrich Merz.

The Reichsbürger, or “citizens of the Reich,” reject Germany’s postwar state, claiming it was installed and controlled by the Allied powers who won World War II.

[snip]

The alleged military arm of this group has been facing court in Stuttgart since April 29. A further eight suspected members of the alleged association will have to stand trial in Munich from June 18 . . .

There’s more at the link, but a lot of it sounds disturbingly familiar:

  • Weapons: in raids during December 2022, “more than 380 firearms were confiscated, along with almost 150,000 pieces of ammunition.”
  • Support in the national parliament: “Birgit Malsack-Winkemann, a judge and former representative of the far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) party in the federal parliament, the Bundestag, . . . was allegedly to become justice minister after the coup.”
  • Dream of support within the military
  • Fantastic conspiracy theories about the deep state: “The prosecution has alleged that Reuss and his supporters believe that a “deep state” runs Germany and was planning to murder hundreds of children and teenagers. The group apparently believed the floods in Germany’s Ahr Valley in 2021 were an attempt to cover up murders already committed by flooding old government bunkers. Among Reuss’ supporters, there was talk of 600 dead children.”
  • Anger at COVID restrictions and plans to kidnap political leaders
  • Ties to Russia and plans for a future alliance.

The Guardian makes the parallels even more clear in their distillation of the 621 page indictment:

On trial are the group’s alleged ringleader, a self-styled aristocrat estate agent known as Prince Heinrich XIII, his Russian girlfriend, and seven other founding members including a former policeman and a former judge who is now an MP for the far-right AfD party.

According to federal prosecutors, the group planned to storm the Reichstag in Berlin with armed support via its paramilitary wing, to arrest members of the Bundestag, and to parade a shackled Olaf Scholz on German television in the hope and expectation of winning ordinary Germans around to their coup.

Call me crazy, but that sounds like a group of the January 6th plotters, doesn’t it?

Could it have worked? That’s apparently not a high possibility, but they were certainly heavily invested in making it happen:

Police say the group had amassed more than half a million euros in gold and cash, as well as hundreds of firearms, tens of thousands of rounds of ammunition and explosives. They had acquired satellite phones to stay in touch after the paramilitary wing had carried out plans to cut off the national communications networks and electricity.

The group had waited for “day X” to start the coup, with one believing the signal was the death of Queen Elizabeth II. When police stormed the house of one member, he shot at them, injuring two police officers.

Sophie Schönberger, an expert in constitutional law at Heinrich Heine University in Düsseldorf, and co-author of the book Reichsbürger, said: “The chances of such a putsch actually succeeding were not all that high, but it could have unleashed a considerable level of violence and was capable of sending shock waves through the system.”

CNN did an explainer of the Reichsbürger in March 2023, which included this:

Werner Patzelt, a political scientist and former professor at TU Dresden, believes the Reichsbürger is less of a “movement” but rather “a loosely coupled network of political stupids who believe that, or at least behave as if, the Federal Republic of Germany does not exist.”

“They claim that Germany is still an occupied country under US control, or a business enterprise registered in Frankfurt,” he told CNN.

“From such fictitious ‘facts’ they derive both a ‘right’ not to pay taxes and penalties, or to establish ‘provisional political authorities.’

“Much of this is operetta-like. In some cases, however, criminal energy goes hand in hand with political nonsense, leading to attacks on financial or police officers.”

Followers refuse to cooperate with the German state in a number of ways including not paying taxes or choosing to print their own currency and identity cards.

Tobias Ginsburg is a German journalist who reported undercover on Germany’s far-right scene.

“You meet people there of all walks of life,” Ginsburg said. “I met the stereotypes, but also normal people, the dentist from downtown, someone working with the tax revenue service, just normal people. Some had no idea what they had entered.”

What we are fighting in the US is not specific to the US. Whether these groups are coordinated (Russia, anyone?) or simply people in both countries being filled with nationalist gingoism, hatred and fear of The Other(s), and nostalgic views of a triumphant history that never was, those who dream fascist fantasies and work to bring them to life are alive and well around the world.

What bmaz says about the Trump trials here is true about the Reichsbürger trials in Germany. In and of themselves, these trials are not “magic bullets” that will immaculately solve the problems presented by these folks. “We tried them, found them guilty, and now everything is peachy keen” is no way to declare an insurrection over. While the trials are necessary part of addressing these problems, true solutions need to go much deeper and need to address the attractiveness of the AfD in Germany and the MAGA wing of the GOP in the US.

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  1. Konny_2022 says:

    Thank you, Peterr, for this sobering post. The crazy denialism of the “Reichsbürger” is hard to believe, but it would be crazy to not take them seriously.

    It’s most likely just a coincidene but makes me wonder nevertheless what I found ealier today on the internet: a Biden-Harris HQ post on X that Trump wants to create a “Unified Reich.” — https://[blank]x[blank].com/BidenHQ/status%5Bblank%5D/1792729818443727313 (I’m not sure if their links are permitted here; for the link to work, “[blank]” at 3 places should be removed).

    • Matt___B says:

      The Biden/Harris post was a response to Truth Social repost which contained that language. The Trumpers blamed a staffer who failed to see the word “reich” and that post has now been removed. Draw your own conclusions.

      • Peterr says:

        Why does this remind me of the credits in Monty Python and the Holy Grail?

        Songs
        NEIL INNES

        Additional music
        DEWOLFE

        A Møøse once bit my sister…

        * * *
        Costume Designer
        HAZEL PETHIG

        No realli! She was Karving her initials øn the møøse with the sharpened end of an interspace tøøthbrush given her by Svenge – her brother-in-law -an Oslo dentist and star of many Norwegian møvies: “The Høt Hands of an Oslo Dentist”, “Fillings of Passion”, “The Huge Mølars of Horst Nordfink”…

        * * *
        We apologise for the fault in the subtitles. Those responsible have been sacked.

        * * *
        Mynd you, møøse bites Kan be pretty nasti…

        * * *
        We apologise again for the fault in the subtitles.
        Those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked,
        have been sacked.

        And don’t get me started on the llamas . . .

        • EuroTark says:

          I can heartily recommend watching it with “Subtitles For People Who Don’t Like The Film” on. It’s cobbled together from Shakespeare’s Henry IV and pretty closely matches what is happening in the film.

    • CovariantTensor says:

      ” The crazy denialism of the “Reichsbürger” is hard to believe, but it would be crazy to not take them seriously.”

      Some people didn’t take Hitler seriously, at first.

      • John Paul Jones says:

        That was partly because his little groupuscule was one of dozens of far-right, antisemitic, anti-communist parties, that is, there was a signal, but it was at first combined with a lot of noise. It was the 1923 putsch that put him on the national map, and got him access to more funding avenues. Even so, the party made no significant electoral headway until the Crash of 1929 upended the whole society.

        As to the legitimacy or not of the German state, the Reichsburger’s ideas sound a lot like Sovereign Citizen BS. As we learn every day, stupid is bottomless.

        • EuroTark says:

          The reason it sounds like Sovereign Citizen BS is that it actually is a German offshoot of the Sovereign Citizen movement. I haven’t seen this mentioned by the media, despite the trial getting some coverage here as well.

          YouTuber Munecat has a good overview of this movement and their various offshoots (link is to the Reichsbürger part).

      • bevbuddy says:

        Jim Stewartson is calling on the press, military and government to act against the ongoing take-down of democracy and America:

        https://www.mind-war.com/p/i-saw-a-monster
        I Saw a Monster
        Nearly four years later, it has shed its most of its camouflage.

        The monster is fascism, an ideology bereft of humanity, empathy & compassion. It projects itself through human psychopathy, through a psychology of pure power and domination. People like Putin, Mike Flynn, Elon Musk and Donald Trump are just its claws.

        Over just the last week, in America, the monster has made its goals very clear. It is rampaging through our population, sucking people up into its maw, while we sit by and gawk at it, or avert our eyes to obsess about Stormy Daniels.

        Mike Flynn’s national insurrection tour took a multiple day stop in Omaha, where the Nazi training camp 88 Tactical, which chose a name that is a code for “Heil Hitler,” is located. Flynn took the opportunity to show himself shooting a gun there.

        Six months ago, Mike Flynn said to Sandy Hook-denier Alex Jones “the sound of the guns is freedom.” Mike Flynn is preparing people, including people in law enforcement, for civil war, to fight for a New Confederacy.

        Flynn is deploying his countless operators, Q believers, “citizen journalists,” digital soldiers and anti-government militias across the country, including “Pence Card” creator, January 6th insurrection-planner, Ivan Raiklin, whose call for “live swatting raids” and executions of Flynn and Trump’s enemies went viral on Elon Musk’s psychological warfare platform.

        snip

        Our mission, should we choose to accept it, is to demand that the media, the government, and the military do their jobs, and stop railroading us into the monster’s mouth. We know the plan for the election. We need to expose it and disrupt it before it happens. It’s going to require a counterinsurgency.

        At the risk of repeating myself, fascism never stops. You cannot negotiate with it. You cannot coexist with it. The monster must be defeated. Rise up.

        • bevbuddy says:

          FYI:

          https://www.mind-war.com/p/the-rough-plan-for-the-end-of-america

          The Rough Plan for the End of America, Version 3.0
          Our enemies, foreign and domestic, are projecting their tactics. All we have to do is listen.
          Jim Stewartson

          We’re in for a rough ride over the next eight months — until the inauguration. I think it’s important not to sugarcoat it. Our adversaries, foreign and domestic, are not hiding their plan, although it’s still got lots of moving parts. I’ve boiled down the outlines based on what they are telling us themselves.

          This plan is being backed and executed by the same transnational organized crime network in the act of trying to overthrow a third US presidential election in a row.

          Here’s how they did it 2016 ( https://www.mind-war.com/p/how-did-the-russians-steal-the-2016 ). Here’s how they tried in 2020 ( https://www.mind-war.com/p/-the-insurrection-was-plan-b ). This time they have a lot more resources in place — and a lot more practice.

          The Rough Plan for the End of America, Version 3.0

  2. Matt Foley says:

    Storming the German parliament sounds like tourists to me. It is almost summer, after all. Didn’t Rick Steves do an episode on this?

  3. Troutwaxer says:

    ~Skeptical glance at the indictment~

    “Russian girlfriend, huh?”

    ~Hands indictment back~

  4. Dan B_21MAY2024_1601h says:

    January 6th, the Reichsbürger plot, and the attack on the Brazilian Congress . . .I sense a trend here

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    • Rayne says:

      Our perspective tends to be rather western/European. The period 2020-present has been extremely active compared to the period 2010-2020, but many of the coups are in the global south which tend not to be covered well by US media. For example:

      Niger – July 26, 2023 (Niger has since ordered U.S. military out of the country)

      Burkina Faso – January 24, 2022 and September 30, 2022

      Sudan – October 25, 2021 and ongoing since April 15, 2023

      Guinea – September 5, 2021

      Mali – August 18, 2020 and May 24, 2021

      Haiti – July 7, 2021 (assassination of President Jovenel Moise) and April 24, 2024 (resignation of Ariel Henry under threat)

      Myanmar – February 1, 2021 (insurgency continues)

      The increased number of coups on the African continent are in no small manner influenced by outsiders — the former Wagner Group comes to mind in particular as it strove to destabilize relations between African nations and the U.S. Can’t imagine what would have motivated Wagner Group…

  5. TooLoose LeTruck says:

    Several observations here…

    First off, a “Reichsbürger” sounds like something you’d buy at a really crappy German fast food outlet…

    Second, blaming a staffer for failing to see the word ‘reich’ sounds a little too much like Alito blaming his wife for the upside down flag flying outside his house for several days…

    Third, as far as different groups as far apart geographically as American and German radicals goes, the internet solved that problem quite some time ago. Factor in encrypted messaging apps and lord knows what’s being discussed in some corners that the rest of us never hear about.

    And fourth… thank you for drawing attention to this, Peterr… I’ve been following this story line off and on for several years now and I think it’s good to put this out in the open a bit more.

    As someone said above me, it could be not only crazy, but also quite dangerous, to not pay attention here.

    If anyone’s so inclined, I recommend ‘Führer-Ex: Memoirs of a Former Neo-Nazi’ written by Ingo Hasselbach.

    An excellent, if a bit dated, look inside the world of the serious, hard-core German Neo-nazi movement.

  6. Just Some Guy says:

    Thanks for the post. One person gone unmentioned so far in comments is Steve Bannon, who definitely seems to be all about starting and sustaining a global movement of miscreants.

    Speaking of global, does anybody know of any good, current and relable English language journalism on (hopefully) post-Bolano Brazil? Thanks in advance!

  7. Matt Foley says:

    OT:
    In what was literally the most important debate of his life Trump folded. Weak. Can’t even defend himself in court but man does he love to talk in the hall. Cancel the POTUS debates, he’s not worthy.

  8. David Brooks says:

    The text about the unified Reich is a direct (unattributed of course) lift from the Wikipedia “World War I” article, in the description of the background to the war, specifically the desire to emulate the Royal Navy. It refers to the Second Reich of course. But I don’t think its inclusion, let alone the presentation as a fake newspaper lede makes it any more excusable.

    • Peterr says:

      More broadly, it refers back to the Gute Alte Tagen when Bismark brought together a bunch of small German-speaking states into a single, Greater Germany, which he ruled over for almost 20 years to make it a force to be reckoned with across Europe.

      After WWI, with the crippling reparations payments and other sanctions imposed on Germany by the Treaty of Versailles, many Germans longed for a new Bismark to make Germany great again, and Hitler said “Pick me! Pick me!”

      • Konny_2022 says:

        As coincidences sometimes work: I had submitted a comment earlier today (which got stuck in moderation, most likely b/c of a link included), praising Peterr’s comment (2nd para.) as “The Weimar Republic in a nutshell,” and just proposed to add a hint on the hyperinflation in Germany in 1923. Only hours later, I came across a book title in a completely different context, that goes with the subject: Frederick Taylor (2013), “The Downfall of Money: Germany’s Hyperinflation and the Destruction of the Middle Class.”

        I haven’t read it yet, but maybe someone else has.

  9. Tech Support says:

    Not sure if I should be perversely reassured that “sovereign citizen”-style claptrap isn’t limited to the United States, or whether I should feel perversely complicit in the Internet’s promulgation of American wingnuttery.

    • Peterr says:

      It used to be that wingnuts on opposites sides of the Atlantic Ocean had to spend weeks waiting for letters or newspapers or visitors to arrive, to hear what was happening “over there”. Today, a few clicks on a keyboard lets folks connect instantly, resulting in more cross-fertilization of wingnuttery.

      Of course, it also works for those who *like* democracy, if we choose to use it.

      • misnomer bjet says:

        One of the first EO’s the Sharpie signed undid the slight inroad we had gained under the Obama Admin (inclusion of right wing white boys in the definition of potential domestic terrorists) which could get federal funding, and until then, was proba the closest thing we had to Germany’s BfV; their domestic intelligence agency charged with protecting democratic order from extremist threats.

        BfV classified AfD as ‘potentially’ extreme in 2021. This authorizes surveillance and infiltration. Some of AfD’s local branches are classified as (confirmed) extremist.

        I wonder if BfV fulfill its duties in ways beyond LE; more along the lines of what you suggest.

        I bet a fair percent of folks who got sucked into Qanon, which the Reichberger ‘movement’ has been compared to, would be attracted to nationwide adult education campaigns with similar qualities (shorn of malignancy); a treasure hunt that teaches critical thinking skills, and their value (to functional democracy).

        • Peterr says:

          Germany has strong freedom of speech and association laws, but they also have very strict anti-Nazi laws as well. The AfD has fought being subject to those anti-Nazi laws in court, and to date the courts have *not* been terribly sympathetic to their arguments.

          Again, from Deutsche Welle on May 13:

          A higher regional court in western Germany rejected on Monday an appeal by the Alternative for Germany (AfD) party against its classification as a “suspected” far-right extremist organization.

          The judges at the court in Münster said the designation was appropriate and did not violate the constitution or European law.

          “The court finds there is sufficient evidence that the AfD pursues goals that run against the human dignity of certain groups and against democracy,” they wrote.

          “There are grounds to suspect at least part of the party wants to accord second-rank status to German citizens with a migration background.”

          The party criticized the decision, claiming that the proceedings lacked “sufficient clarification of the facts.” It said it would “of course” lodge another appeal.

          https://www.dw.com/en/german-court-upholds-afd-suspected-extremist-status/a-69060959

  10. Fedupin10 says:

    A free society has not been the normal state for human civilization. It takes much effort to maintain and only a few to steal it away from the majority.
    Much worse forms of social structure have been the norm.

  11. Booksellerb4 says:

    Thanks for the post, Peterr. I vaguely recall reading about the arrest back when it happened, after Jan 6, and wondered if coups were becoming a thing.

    I did a bit of wiki to check out #13 (Heinrich XIII) and it seems that while he wasn’t really unlucky, he certainly did let a great castle go to waste (Thallwitz, built 1580, now in neglected condition).

  12. harpie says:

    Thanks for writing about this, Peterr!
    From the Die Deutsche Welle article:

    […] Self-styled prince as ringleader The alleged ringleader of the Reichsbürger group facing charges in Frankfurt is Heinrich XIII Prince Reuss, a 72-year-old estate agent from Frankfurt and descendant of an aristocratic family. Supporters had allegedly earmarked Reuss for the role of provisional head of a German state. […]

    That reminded me of #TallWillardGuy, Philip Luelsdorff, who was mentioned in #J6TL.
    This is a CapitolHunters THREAD from 6/25/21 on the ThreadReader:
    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1408958890398519298.html

    Director of Business Development for 1AP [First Amendment Praetorian]; he & RPL filed the Sep. 2020 incorporation docs. A small-timer: serial DC business owner, unsuccessful poker player, arrest for theft. So..why him? 18/

    He’s a bit overshadowed by mom, who claims she’s an exiled Russian aristocrat, Baroness von Luelsdorff; Dad likely a multilingual professor. Philip whined in 2017 to NPR “You are expecting to do as well as your father and you can’t.. It’s emasculating” 19/ [Photos][links][…]

    Luelsdorff was part of our conversation here:
    https://www.emptywheel.net/2021/08/23/stop-the-steal-hints-of-the-january-5-rallies-in-the-january-6-riot-investigation/#comment-900728

  13. harpie says:

    [Peterr, Could you free a comment of mine from the pokey when you get a chance? Thanks!]

    The unhinged MAGA “meme team” apparently behind Trump’s “unified Reich” video
    Apparent “meme team” leader Brenden Dilley told women not to “worry your pretty head about those politics” and that “what you need to concern yourself with is how come the floors in the kitchen aren’t as shiny as they were two weeks ago” https://www.mediamatters.org/donald-trump/unhinged-maga-meme-team-apparently-behind-trumps-unified-reich-video 05/21/24

    After former President Donald Trump posted a video mentioning a “unified Reich,” his campaign blamed a “random account” but left out that the account is seemingly part of a pro-Trump “meme team” that has ties to the campaign and is apparently led by Brenden Dilley, a podcaster who regularly spews extreme and hateful rhetoric on his online show. […]

    • Peterr says:

      Done!

      [I know little to nothing about what causes comments to get caught in the filters, but I suspect the general subject matter of this post may make more comments than usual get stuck.]

    • Just Some Guy says:

      Sounds like he’s gonna try out as a kicker for the Kansas City Chiefs! /snark

      Shakin’ my damn head.

      • harpie says:

        They ALL look the same to me…
        but there’s a lot more to that article if you get a chance to read it.

      • harpie says:

        Here’s a good piece linking Butker, Alito and “the cult of fascists”:

        https://bsky.app/profile/juliusgoat.bsky.social/post/3kstwltvx2n2q
        May 19, 2024 at 10:09 AM

        I wrote about Harrison Butker, Sam Alito, the cult of fascists that intend to control our bodies and lives, and why we need to start treating people who have demolished all good faith as if they have demolished all good faith.

        The case for lying to fascists: [link]

        […] And, yes, Butker is a good kicker. He is famous for kicking oblong balls as hard as he gets for the ladies on behalf of Jesus, and as straight as we’re told he definitely is, and whatever else one might say about him, he certainly can perform that action with proficiency and skill, which it seemingly qualifies him to speak about life, the universe, and everything to young graduates at Benedictine College.

        And speak he did! Harrison Butker went wide wide wide right last week, as you might have heard. […]

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