Hunter Biden Claims All Zhaos Look the Same to Joseph Ziegler

From the time Gary Shapley provided Congress obviously flawed summaries of WhatsApp texts, stripped of their identifiers, from an iCloud backup of Hunter Biden’s, I’ve argued their treatment reflects badly on the IRS agents involved.

When Abbe Lowell claimed, before Hunter was charged, that the IRS agents had gotten the identify of Hunter’s interlocutor wrong, I noted that the summaries, lacking identifiers, prevented what should be easy adjudication of this dispute.

The summary matters, a lot. That’s because Lowell claims that Shapley — or whoever did these summaries — misidentified the Hunter Biden interlocutor whose last name begins with Z.

In one excerpt that has now gotten a great deal of media attention, Mr. Biden is alleged to have been sitting next to his father on July 30, 2017, when he allegedly sent a WhatsApp message, urging the completion of some business transaction. See Shapley Tr. at 14. The inference is that the referenced message was being sent to an official of CEFC (China Energy) to forward a false narrative about the Bidens’ involvement in that company. The facts, which some media has now reported, are that President Biden and our client were not together that day, the company being referenced was not CEFC but Harvest Financial Group (with a person who also had the initial “Z”), and that no transaction actually occurred. More important, your own actions call into question the authenticity of that communication and your subsequent use of it. In short, the images you circulated online are complete fakes. Many media articles confirm that data purported to have come from Mr. Biden’s devices has been altered or manipulated. You, or someone else, did that again. All of the misstatements about this communication and your use of a false text are good examples of how providing one-sided, untested, and slanted information leads to improper conclusions. [my emphasis]

This is a remarkable claim, because — if true — it suggests the IRS was investigating Hunter Biden based on wildly incorrect assumptions about the identity of his interlocutors.

Abbe Lowell claims that the IRS agents who investigated his client for five years — the son of the President!!! — didn’t know to whom he was talking! I’ve heard a lot of outlandish claims from defense attorneys (though Lowell is far more credible than the grifters who defend a lot of January 6 defendants), But this is an utterly inflammatory claim.

Had Shapley used responsible summaries, rather than the unprofessional script he did use, it might be possible to figure out who is right, here, because then we could compare the actual number or email account used.

When Luke Broadwater tried to manufacture a partisan both-sides dispute out of this discrepancy, I noted the real conflict came between Republicans, some of whom said the Zhao in question was Henry, others who said it was Raymond.

The summary and the fabrications of the text and Smith’s use of the initials “HZ” matter because there’s a dispute between Republicans and their IRS source about the identity of the person involved.

Shapley said the texts involved Henry Zhao, consistent with Smith’s fabrication.

But in a later release, James Comer described the interlocutor as Raymond Zhao — which is consistent with the interjection in the summary (and other communications regarding this business deal).

On July 30, 2017, Hunter Biden sent a WhatsApp message to Raymond Zhao—a CEFC associate—regarding the $10 million capital payment:

As we’ll see, Broadwater predictably “fact checks” this as a dispute between Democrats and Republicans. It’s not. Before you get there, you first have to adjudicate a conflict between the guy who led the IRS investigation for more than two years, Gary Shapley, and James Comer. It’s a conflict sustained by the shoddiness of the underlying IRS work.

This is a story showing not only that James Comer and Jason Smith don’t know what they’re talking about, but are willing to lie and fabricate nevertheless, but even the IRS agents may not know what they’re talking about, and if they don’t, it’s because the standard of diligence on the investigation of Joe Biden’s son was such that they didn’t even include the identifier of the person to whom Hunter was talking, which would make it easy or at least possible to adjudicate this dispute.

In Wednesday’s hearing, after such time as they had received discovery on this material, Hunter Biden and Abbe Lowell provided a new explanation for the discrepancy: That the first text (but only the first text) was accidentally sent to Henry Zhao, and the follow-up texts — which were therefore necessarily unrelated — came from Raymond Zhao.

Q This is a giant text pack prepared by the IRS investigators, summarizing, and in many cases, quoting WhatsApp message.

Mr. Lowell. Do you have the underlying message?

[Redacted] We have this document. This is what we have.

Mr. Lowell. I want to point out on the record that is all known to you that we have great reservations about the accuracy and completeness of what two IRS agents who have decided to go on television and try to promote what they believe should happen to Mr. Biden as having made a complete record.

And when there have been records, they have not been complete?

And when they make summaries, they are often quoting from texts or communications, which appear to have been altered by those other than themselves.

So with all that, you can certainly ask your questions. But I do not accept the premise that what you’re about to ask him is either an authentic or authenticated or a complete document.

[Redacted]: Okay.

Mr. Lowell. With that in mind, let’s go.

[Redacted] Okay.

BY [Redacted]:

Q Just to set expectations here, I’m going to refer to three. Okay? Then we’ll be done with this document for now.

A Page 3?

Q I’m going to refer to three sort of topics —

A Okay.

Q — within this giant document, not 148. We’re not going to go through every page. I’m sort of managing your expectations here.

A Thank you.

Q I’d like you to turn to page 4, and it’s a message dated July 30th, 2017. It’s about halfway down the page and it begins, “WA message with SM.” And that’s the — that stands for Sportsman, and that’s what they called you, and Zhao. Have you identified the one that I’m referring to?

Mr. Lowell. It’s down the page. It’s the only one for the 30th?

[Redacted]. Correct.

Mr. Lowell. Okay. Yes.

BY [Redacted]:

Q And so the text, according to the IRS, the Federal investigators, say, “Z, please have the director call me, moment James or Tony or Jim. Have him call me tonight. I’m sitting here with my father, and we would like to understand why the commitment made has not been fulfilled.

“I’m very concerned that the chairman has either changed his mind or broken our deal without telling me or that he’s unaware of the promises and assurances that have been made have not been kept.

“Tell the director I would like to resolve this now before it gets out of hand, and now means tonight. And, Z, if I get a call or text from anyone involved in this other than you, Zhang or the chairman, I will make certain that between the man sitting next to me and every person he knows and my ability to forever hold a grudge that you will regret  not following my direction.

All too often people make mistakes — sorry.

“All too often people mistake kindness for weakness, and all too often I’m standing over the top of them, saying, I warned you.

“From this moment until whenever he reaches me. It’s 9:45 a.m. here and I assume 9:45 p.m. there. So his night is running out.”

Zhao responds, “Copy. I will call you on WhatsApp.”

You respond, “Okay, my friend. I’m sitting here, waiting for the call, with my father. I sure hope whatever it is are you doing is very, very, very important.”

Then Zhao says, “Hi, Hunter. Is it a good time to call now? Hi, Hunter, Director did not answer my call, but he got the message you just mentioned.”

A Yeah.

Q Do you have any recollection of sending these?

A No, but I’ve seen this and —

Mr. Lowell. Is there a question?

[Redacted]. Yes. Does he have a recollection of sending the message?

The Witness. And I do not, but I do know this. I have now seen it, which it’s been presented. I would say two things about this message.

Mr. Nadler. Can you speak up?

The Witness. I would say two things about this message. The first thing is this.

Is that the Zhao that this is sent to is not the Zhao that was connected to CEFC.

BY [Redacted]:

Q Okay.

A Which I think is the best indication of how out of my mind I was at this moment in time.

Again, I don’t — my addiction is not an excuse, but I can tell you this: I am more embarrassed of this text message, if it actually did come from me, than any text message I’ve ever sent.

The fact of the matter is, is that there’s no other text message that you have in which I say anything remotely to this. And I was out of my mind. I can also tell you this: My father was not sitting next to me. My father had no awareness. My father had no awareness of the business that I was doing. My father never benefited from any of the business that I was doing.

And so, I take full responsibility for being an absolute ass and idiot when I sent this message, if I did send this message.

Q Okay.

[Redacted]. When you say it wasn’t Zhao from CEFC, who —

Mr. Nadler. Would you speak up, please?

[Redacted]. Which Zhao are you referring to if it wasn’t from CEFC?

The Witness. The number that I believe it went to was to Henry Zhao. Zhao is a very common — it’s not a surname — surname in China. I mean, obviously, very common surname. And I, like an idiot, directed it towards Henry Zhao who had no involvement, who had no understanding or even remotely knew what the hell I was even Goddamn talking about. Excuse my language

BY [Redacted]:

Q And he seems to —

A No, no, no, no, no, the Zhao — it’s a different — you’re conflating now.

Q Okay.

A And this why this report from the IRS is absolutely wrong. They’re two different messages.

The Zhao that calls me is not related to the message that was sent. I speak to him the next day. They’re two completely different sets of messages. One goes a number because, I made the Goddamn — excuse my language again — because I made like an idiot, and I was drunk and probably high, sent a — this ridiculous message to a Zhao, to a Henry Zhao.

But then the next day, I speak to a Raymond Zhao, who has never received the message that Henry Zhao got. And so that’s why this report is very misleading in many ways.

Mr. Lowell. That’s exactly why I raised the point before you decided to ask questions. The IRS agents —

The Witness. I gave —

Mr. Lowell. — took two different times and two different messages and conflated them. That’s what he’s explaining.

The Witness. And I can — and we can show you that.

And I also could show you that on that message, there was never a Chinese flag and a picture of it, as I think was shown in the Oversight Committee before. [my emphasis]

If I understand it correct, Henry Zhao was involved in an earlier business deal, Raymond Zhao is the one with ties to CEFC.

Here’s how Shapley presented the text in his first deposition.

And here’s the exhibit on which House Republicans are likely relying.

There are still a number of inconsistencies with this story, but it really doesn’t make sense to address them without full context (which Hunter presumably has).

In any case, the text string is still somewhat damning to Hunter; his conversations with CEFC continued the same thread, cutting Tony Bobulinski and the others out of the deal.

But I will say this: I already have questions about where WhatsApp texts got saved, not least because at the time, having access to one WhatsApp instance would give you access to the rest of it.

All the more so given that, if we can trust the warrant and Joseph Ziegler’s description of the source of these texts (Apple Backup 3, which the warrant describes as an Apple 6S backup), the timing is curious. Hunter used an iPhone 6S much earlier than 2017, and he initiated a new one on February 9, 2019, just as his devices were packed up for delivery to John Paul Mac Isaac.

Whatever the explanation, it seems that rather than work through a discrepancy, or just leaving out texts that couldn’t be explained, the IRS just blew through inconsistencies.

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    • initial40forlorn says:

      WhatsApp vulns are known and spyware is prevalent. Certain evidence is only as reliable as the proper forensics analysis and data comparisons so desperately needed re: all of Hunter’s” various sources of data. Send it all to CitizenLab to see if Pegasus or any of the other fuckeryTech was ever used? Cmon IRS/FBI

  2. P’villain says:

    I just read that portion of the transcript. Lowell and Biden had clearly prepared carefully for this topic, and Biden’s aggression in the colloquy, coming just after the much-reported Jared Kushner double-standard dust-up, made me think that Lowell and Biden feel like they’re on solid ground here – that their storyline is unshakeable. It helps when the inquisitors are so hapless.

      • Peterr says:

        Cross certain members of the Spanish Inquisition who don’t know what they are doing with a certain pet shop owner who refuses to accept the fact that the parrot he sold is actually dead, and you’re on the right track.

        For instance . . .

        COMER: NOBODY expects the House Oversight Inquisition! Our chief weapon is surprise…surprise and fear…fear and surprise…. Our two weapons are fear and surprise…and ruthless efficiency…. Our *three* weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency…and an almost fanatical devotion to the Trump…. Our *four*…no… *Amongst* our weapons…. Amongst our weaponry…are such elements as fear, surprise…. I’ll come in again.

        COMER: Fear, surprise, and a most ruthless– [controls himself with a supreme effort] Ooooh! Now, Representative — the rack!

        [ANDY BIGGS produces a plastic-coated dish-drying rack. COMER looks at it and clenches his teeth in an effort not to lose control. He hums heavily to cover his anger]

        COMER: You….Right! Tie him down.

        [GAETZ and BIGGS make a pathetic attempt to tie him on to the drying rack]

        COMER: Right! How do you plead?
        BIDEN: Innocent.
        COMER: Ha! Right! Representative, give the rack [oh dear] give the rack a turn. . . .

        . . . crossed with . . .

        COMER: Well, this investivation is…it’s, ah…probably pining for the fjords.

        LOWELL: This investigation is not pinin’! It’s passed on! This investigation is no more! It has ceased to be! It’s expired and gone to meet its maker! It’s a stiff! Bereft of life, it rests in peace! If you hadn’t nailed it to the GOP agenda, it’d be pushing up the daisies! It’s metabolic processes are now ‘istory! It’s off the twig! It’s kicked the bucket! It’s shuffled off its mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin’ choir invisibile!! THIS IS AN EX-INVESTIGATION!!

        Or words to that effect.

      • P-villain says:

        They do have subpoena power, though, which they have exercised extensively. But only Rumpelstiltskin can spin straw into gold.

    • Rayne says:

      RawStory? Again? Have we not been clear that original reporting should be cited and not a regurgitator like RawStory, which “borrowed” Media Matters For America’s Lis Power’s tweet at the dead bird app.

        • Rayne says:

          You have received far more grace than the average commenter receives here because attacks on moderators and contributors like this aren’t permitted.

          Or do you not recall the many phone calls you made to me over the years to move commenters who similarly attacked you to auto-mod or blacklist?

          You’ve made two such cracks aimed at me today, and a borderline one at Marcy. Find something more constructive to do with your time and expertise.

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      • Harry Eagar says:

        When I clicked on the link at RS, it took me to X, which I thought you were opposed to sending emptywheelers to.

        • Rayne says:

          You claim you’re a former news man. Did you always use diluted sources? Could you not figure out how to cite MMFA?

      • Error Prone says:

        I’ll defend the RawStory link. It is a safe link, and RS did not link to any original source. Some do not participate at all on twitter.com, my term for dealing with the name change, and you possibly are a follower of the person who posted there and spotted it. From the RS link I can paste part of the headline into a browser search, and expand reading from there. It was a helpful link to me. I hate twitter.com

  3. Zinsky123 says:

    Fascinating! I must have been on vacation last July when you posted the analysis of the WhatsApp messages and their “summary”. I thought Byron Donalds presentation of the WhatsApp messages was the most bogus and phony part of Comer’s hearings.

  4. P-villain says:

    This, near the end of the deposition, is comedy gold. Whatever law school graduated Matt Gaetz should be ashamed.

    Mr. Gaetz. More or less than 50?
    The Witness. Again, Mr. Gaetz, I cannot answer with any specificity —
    Mr. Lowell. Why don’t you go to 100 or 200 or 500, because the answer will be the same.
    The Witness. I do not know. Yeah.
    Mr. Gaetz. Okay. More or less than 500 times have you paid expenses for your dad? Mr. Lowell. Go to 1,000. He just said he doesn’t know. Take any number you want.
    Mr. Gaetz. I did. I picked 500.
    Mr. Lowell. Okay.
    Mr. Gaetz. Can I get an answer?
    The Witness. I think I already answered it. I’m not —
    Mr. Gaetz. No, you didn’t answer as to 500.
    The Witness. Five million. I don’t have any recollection, no matter how large you make the number or how small you make the number. I don’t have, with any specificity, without any documentation in front of me, to be able to quantify how many times over the course of my 54 years of life and my adulthood in which I paid an incidental bill or dinner for my dad or, you know, the ski rentals when we went skiing together. I don’t know.
    Mr. Gaetz. So it sounds like your finances were pretty interwoven.
    Mr. Lowell. Will the record show that we’re all laughing?
    The Witness. I mean, are you kidding me? No. I don’t — again —
    Mr. Gaetz. So do you —
    The Witness. I’m sorry, Mr. Gaetz, I’ll take you seriously. And it’s hard to do —

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  5. SAOmadelonger says:

    I was at a talk on the Chinese language the other day and one of the comments was the sheer frequency of common last names. Zhao was in the top 10. The most popular 2 (neither of them Zhao) had, each over 200M people in China alone with the last name. By contrast, there are only 2 million people in the US with the most common last name, which is Smith.

  6. Susan D Einbinder says:

    It really is the case that the federal employees who did these ‘investigations’ were totally incompetent, isn’t it? Stunning … I thought that the hiring and regular review process would at least control against true stupidity, but I guess this system has also atrophied. Does anyone know about this as a systematic issue?

  7. freebird says:

    Comer keeps talking about influence peddling after Biden left office. So that meant that the Bidens would have used their influence with the Trump administration and the Republicans who want to put them in jail.

    • Ginevra diBenci says:

      In this case, it’s July 2017, not only after Biden left office but before he was publicly known to be contemplating running for president. I still don’t get how Comer, Jordan, and Smith think this doesn’t lead directly to Jared’s two billion from the Saudis, because that’s the obvious comparison.

      • freebird says:

        Another thing that they keep doing is to call China our enemy as we buy trillions in goods. The Trumps have had trademarks and manufactured products from China. Talk of hypocrisy.

        • tje.esq@23 says:

          Freebird –

          You and Rep. Eric Swalwell (D-Calif.) are on the same page. During the transcribed deposition of “The Witness” — Hunter Biden — after Hunter confirms (bottom, p. 134) that Joe Biden has never “operated a hotel,” either “prior to the Presidency or before,” Swalwall continues his (sarcastic) questioning (p. 135).

          1 Mr. Swalwell. So he’s never operated a hotel where foreign nationals spent millions at that hotel while he was in office?

          3 The Witness. No, he has not.

          4 Mr. Swalwell. Did your father ever employ in the Oval Office any direct family member to also work in the Oval Office?

          6 The Witness. My father has never employed any direct family members, to my knowledge.

          8 Mr. Swalwell. While your father was President, did anyone in the family receive 41 trademarks from China?

          10 The Witness. No.

          11 Mr. Swalwell. As President and the leader of the party, has your father ever tried to install as the chairperson of the party a daughter-in-law or anyone else in the family?

          13 The Witness. No. And I don’t think that anyone in my family would be crazy enough to want to be the chairperson of the DNC.

          15 Mr. Swalwell. Has your father ever in his time as an adult been fined $355 million by any State that he worked in?

          17 The Witness. No, he has not, thank God.

          18 Mr. Swalwell. Anyone in your family ever strike a multibillion dollar deal with the Saudi Government while your father was in office?

          20 The Witness. No.

          21 Mr. Swalwell. That’s all I’ve got.

          22 The Witness. Thank you

  8. David F. Snyder says:

    … having access to one WhatsApp instance would give you access to the rest of it. …

    I presume because WhatsApp hands over the entire record instead of a restricted date-range. Or am I reading this wrong?

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