Premier Palace: The Risk of Non-Russian Involvement in Alexander Smirnov’s anti-Biden Election Operation

Based on the transcript from the detention hearing, one reason Principal Senior Assistant Special Counsel Leo Wise failed to convince Nevada Magistrate Judge Daniel Albregts to detain Alexander Smirnov pretrial, is that in arguing Smirnov was a flight risk, Wise focused primarily on Smirnov’s ties to Russian intelligence, not other spy agencies.

That made it easier for Albregts to argue — repeating something Smirnov’s attorney, David Chesnoff, said — that Russian spooks are probably not too enamored of Smirnov right now, given the details included in court filings describing his reporting on Russian spies.

I — you know, I understand the concern about foreign intelligence agencies potentially resettling Mr. Smirnov outside of the United States/ his connections to them, but I think on some level that’s speculative as well because, as Mr. Chesnoff points out, I don’t know what Mr. Smirnov will be thought of in Russia/ but my guess is at this stage he probably thinks that’s not the most attractive place to go either if he was in fact inclined to go hide somewhere. So while I notice and note that that’s a concern and certainly raised by the Government that I should consider it, I just don’t know in the context of what’s happened in the last couple of weeks with his arrest and everything else that that is as grave a concern as the Government outlines.

This misunderstands the implied relationship of Smirnov to the Russians. For example, while Wise notes that Smirnov is not charged with spying (he’d have a tough time charging Smirnov with acting as a foreign agent without informing the Attorney General, given that the then-Attorney General was gleefully cheering what he was doing when he allegedly lied), he insinuates that Smirnov’s charged 2020 lie was part of a Russian influence operation.

MR. WISE: Understood, Your Honor. The defendant’s lies in this case have captured the national imagination. And while the — while the filing says they do not involve espionage, of course the charges do involve foreign intelligence services. The defendant claims to have met with Russian intelligence agencies on multiple occasions, and the U.S. intelligence community has concluded that Russian intelligence interfered in the 2020 election and continues to interfere in our elections by spreading misinformation.

What Wise didn’t emphasize, but which is no doubt the source of urgent concern, is that it’s not just Russian intelligence. As Wise addressed the limits of US extradition authority, he briefly noted there were other countries that, like Russia, would refuse to extradite Smirnov.

MR. WISE: These contacts make this defendant different from other defendants who merely have foreign ties, and they heighten the risk of flight dramatically. And that is because he can use these contacts with foreign intelligence services to flee and to resettle overseas, something I would again venture to say is almost unique in the presentation of a defendant being considered for the pretrial release.

THE COURT: So let’s say that happens. You don’t think that the Federal Government would have the ability to find him and take action to bring him back? You think that these Russian ties that you’re talking about are the type of people that would literally take him and secrete him from prosecution?

MR. WISE: If he were to resettle in Russian, we couldn’t extradite him. Russian won’t extradite under thesecircumstances. If he were to resettle in other — in third countries, we couldn’t extradite him. And so, yes, I think that is the case.

THE COURT: All right. Go ahead. I’ll —

MR. WISE: That’s even assuming we could find him. That’s even assuming we could find him.

For a dual Israeli citizen like Smirnov, those countries would, by law, include Israel. CNN reported last week that the FBI knew that Smirnov has also served as a source for Israel.

And while this is changing, those countries that would refuse extradition also likely include UAE, almost certainly another of the countries where Smirnov has been hanging out on mega yachts with Russian oligarchs.

Most of the details of Smirnov’s recent activity that David Weiss’ team chose to burn — and so the things that Albregts saw and Los Angeles Judge Otis Wright also received in their detention motion — does pertain to Russia.

The government put that reporting out of order in the detention memo, which obscures the timeline. I’m going to do the same, so as to first show the picture of Russian ties the government establishes. But as I’ll get to, those ties are built on two other relationships, relationships in Ukraine and Israel, that are critical to understanding Smirnov’s Russian relationships. [Note: I’ll be linking to the NV detention memo rather than the LA one; the declassified descriptions of his reporting are the same in both, but probably because of page limits, the LA one does not have most of the discussion about how Weiss intends to prove the case against Smirnov, which appears on pages 8-15 of the NV one.]

Here’s most of the timeline Smirnov gave his handler of how, along with discussing a way to end the Ukraine war, he also learned of a kompromat effort probably intending to use deep fake recordings of Hunter Biden. Note that the really interesting discussions post-date the September 27, 2023 FBI interview (marked in bold) at which Smirnov backtracked off some parts of his 2020 story and offered up details of another kompromat plan targeting the Bidens, which he already sourced in September 2023 to four Russian spies.

  • August 2023: Smirnov “had been introduced” to RI 2 (the unclassified report does not say, by whom), who was organizing a birthday party on his mega yacht that RO 2 would attend. At that point, the ties between two or three of the oligarchs involved and RO 2 are not yet clear.
  • September 27, 2023: Smirnov interviewed by different FBI agents, to whom he describes Premier Palace plan.
  • October 2023: Smirnov scores an invite to the birthday party on a Russian oligarch’s yacht in a Middle Eastern country (probably UAE). RO 1 and RI 1 were expected to attend.
  • October 2023: RO 1 is expected to attend the birthday party; Smirnov got a copy of RO 1’s passport.
  • November 2023: Smirnov has now met RO 1. RO 1 boasted that he has direct access to the “highest levels of the Russian government.” RO 1 is a top, unofficial representative to Country B. Smirnov got a picture of RO 1 in November 2023, while he was in Country A (meaning RO 1 stayed past the birthday party).
  • November 2023: RO 1 described the assassin teams in Ukraine, and offered to stop those efforts if Ukraine would stop targeting civilian family members of Russian officials living in Moscow. RO 1 also told Smirnov of plans for a winter attack in Ukraine and its intentions for that war.
  • December 2023: Smirnov attended a meeting at which RO 2 attended. The purpose of the meeting was to discuss a resolution to the Ukraine war. He had a separate conversation in which RO 1 told him about the kompromat operation at a “club” in a particular Ukrainian hotel, probably the Premier Palace. He explained they might use kompromat from the hotel in an election year operation. A Ukrainian government official later confirmed that kompromat operation was common knowledge.
  • December 2023: RO 1 and others tell Smirnov that RO 3 is the representative of RO 4, now listed as the former head of a particular unit of Russian intelligence.
  • January 2024: Smirnov told his handler he’d be traveling to Country A (probably UAE) to discuss a prisoner exchange between Ukraine and Russia with RO 1. [my emphasis]

Here are descriptions of the kinds of Russians with whom Smirnov was partying on mega yachts in the Middle East:

Russian Official 1: Son of former high-ranking RU government official, controls two groups of assassins, a RU representative to another country, ties to a particular RU intelligence service.

Russian Official 2: High-ranking member of specific RIS central to discussions of ending the Ukraine war. He has ties to both RI 1 (the senior member of a defense conglomerate) and RI 2 (the senior member of a RU steel company).

Russian Official 3: The representative of Russian Official 4.

Russian Official 4: Head of a particular unit of a RU intelligence service, ran a kompromat operation at a hotel, probably Premier Palace.

Russian Official 5: A Russian spy that Smirnov helped to flip for Country D, probably Israel. In 2019, RO 5 expressed some opposition to Putin.

Russian Official 6: RO 5 had familial ties to RO 6, a former high-ranking member of a Russian intelligence service. In 2019, RO 5 told Smirnov that RO 6 was also not happy with Putin, and said he RO 6 was close friends with RO 2.

Russian Individual 1: A high ranking member of a RU state-owned defense conglomerate.

Russian Individual 2: A high-ranking member of a RU steel company — the guy who owns the mega yacht that was in a Middle Eastern country in October 2023.

According to the timeline of reporting to his handler, Smirnov was just learning about the assassin teams in November and the Premier Palace kompromat plan in December, both from Russian Official 1, whom he describes first meeting in November.

But as the indictment describes, after Smirnov reportedly stood by all his reporting in a conversation with his handler in July 2023, when his FD-1023 first got released, in August, the handler turned over a bunch of things that made it clear Smirnov was lying.

43. On August 29, 2023, FBI investigators spoke with the Handler in reference to the 2020 1023. During that conversation, the Handler indicated that he and the Defendant had reviewed the 2020 1023 following its public release by members of Congress in July 2023, and the Defendant reaffirmed the accuracy of the statements contained in it.

44. The Handler provided investigators with messages he had with the Defendant, including the ones described above. Additionally, the Handler identified and reviewed with the Defendant travel records associated with both Associate 2 and the Defendant. The travel records were inconsistent with what the Defendant had previously told the Handler that was memorialized in the 2020 1023. The Defendant also provided email communications with both Associate 2 and Burisma personnel beginning in 2017 to the Handler, which the Handler reviewed with the Defendant and shared with FBI investigators. [my emphasis]

Remember: Scott Brady testified that they asked the handler about travel information in 2020 and (while Brady refused to address the particulars on follow-up), the result of that was a determination that the travel records corroborated the claim.

Mr. Brady. So we attempted to use open-source material to check against what was stated in the 1023. We also interfaced with the CHS’ handler about certain statements relating to travel and meetings to see if they were consistent with his or her understanding.

Q And did you determine if the information was consistent with the handler’s understanding?

A What we were able to identify, we found that it was consistent. And so we felt that there were sufficient indicia of credibility in this 1023 to pass it on to an office that had a predicated grand jury investigation.

Someone, or someones, are lying about the travel records corroborating Smirnov’s claims, either Brady and/or the handler.

Chesnoff — Smirnov’s lawyer — seems to plan to bring this handler down with Smirnov, because he revealed that Smirnov and the handler communicated via the handler’s private phone.

I can tell you. Your Honor, that there will be a vehement defense to the argument that in fact he was not truthful. He had this personal relationship with the handler. It was so personal, Your Honor, that he wouldn’t even call him on his FBI phone; he would call him on his personal phone. So we’re going to dig down once we start defending this case and we’re going to find out who knew what when.

We may yet learn that all the texts in the indictment showing that Smirnov explicitly responded to a story about Andrii Derkach manufacturing dirt by slamming Joe Biden happened on the handler’s phone.

Given what I know of David Weiss’ sawdust-as-cocaine clown show thus far, my guess is they haven’t actually nailed down what this handler knew when, and what he meant when he said, “that would be a game changer.”

Indeed, what appears to have happened is that either the handler warned Smirnov or (more likely) Smirnov figured out, as his lies started crumbling in his September 2023 interview, that his story was in trouble, so tried to throw out new information to Weiss’ team to “help” their criminal investigation of the President and his son.

After the indictment describes the many things Smirnov said in his September 27 interview that thoroughly discredited the story, he describes Smirnov telling Weiss’ team that he already knew of the Premier Palace kompromat and advising them they should check Hunter Biden’s travel records, which they didn’t have to do to know that the Premier Palace kompromat was based on a lie.

51. The Defendant also shared a new story with investigators. He wanted them to look into whether Businessperson 1 was recorded in a hotel in Kiev called the Premier Palace. The Defendant told investigators that the entire Premier Palace Hotel is “wired” and under the control of the Russians. The Defendant claimed that Businessperson 1 went to the hotel many times and that he had seen video footage of Businessperson 1 entering the Premier Palace Hotel.

52. The Defendant suggested that investigators check to see if Businessperson 1 made telephone calls from the Premier Palace Hotel since those calls would have been recorded by the Russians. The Defendant claimed to have obtained this information a month earlier by calling a high-level official in a foreign country. The Defendant also claimed to have learned this information from four different Russian officials.

53. The Defendant told investigators that the four different Russian officials are all top officials and two are the heads of the entities they represent. These Russians said that conversations with Ukrainians about ending the war will include the next U.S. election. The Defendant told investigators he is involved in negotiations over ending the war and had been for the previous four months. According to the Defendant, the Russians want Ukraine to assist in influencing the U.S. election, and the Defendant thinks the tapes of Businessperson 1 at the Premier Palace Hotel is all they have. The Defendant told investigators he wants them to ask Businessperson 1 how many times he visited and what he did while at the Premier Palace Hotel.

54. Businessperson 1 has never traveled to Ukraine. The few Burisma Board meetings that Businessperson 1 did attend were all outside of Ukraine. [my emphasis]

In an effort to claim he was getting useful information about Hunter Biden, then, Smirnov offered up the Premier Palace story and sourced it, already, to four top Russian officials.

It’s totally unclear what Smirnov told his hander. Weiss’ team might be hiding that intentionally, or it may be the case that Smirnov didn’t tell his handler that he was involved in another election influence operation until months later, sourcing it from Russian spies he had or claimed to have met in the interim. But the record at least implies that he told Weiss’ team about the assassination teams and the Premier Palace in September, then found a way to source it anew over the next several months to RO 1, whom Smirnov claimed to have met for the first time on some oligarch’s yacht in October.

In the same interview, Smirnov also claimed that, sometime no later than 2016, he developed ties with Viktor Shokin and Petro Poroshenko.

50. The Defendant told investigators that he had asked the then-Ukrainian President to arrange a meeting between himself and the then-Ukrainian Prosecutor General to talk about Burisma. The Defendant told investigators that this meeting occurred before the then-Ukrainian Prosecutor General resigned, which was early 2016. The Defendant also told investigators this meeting occurred before his meeting with Burisma Official 1 in the coffee shop in a German speaking country. The Defendant told investigators that after he met with the thenUkrainian Prosecutor General, he met with the then-Ukrainian President. The Defendant did not provide any of this information to the Handler in 2020.

With all that in mind, consider the rest of the timeline, the stuff that happened (or that Smirnov claimed happened) before the reporting laid out above.

  • 1992 to 2006: Smirnov lives in Israel, where his family still lives.
  • 2002: Smirnov helps flip RO 5 at the behest of Country D (probably Israel).
  • October 1, 2010: Smirnov starts to serve as a source for the FBI.
  • 2016 or earlier: Smirnov has direct communications with Shokin and Petro Poroshenko.
  • 2019: Smirnov first tells his handler about flipping RO 5 in 2002.
  • January 2022: RO 5 set up a meeting helped introduce Smirnov to RO 2. Then, Smirnov set up a meeting between RO 2 and a high-ranking official of Ukraine.
  • January 2022: Smirnov asked RO 2 for a favor — to protect a Ukrainian associate during any Russian invasion. RO 2 told Smirnov that based on RO 5’s representation that Smirnov was a “good guy,” he’d protect Smirnov’s associate. (Note that the FD-1023 described that Alexander Ostapenko, the guy who introduced Smirnov to Burisma, worked in the Zelenskyy administration.) RO 2 also told Smirnov that there was a 99% chance that, rather than full-blown war, the invasion would only be a skirmish.
  • February 2022: Smirnov provides his handler the back story to his relationship with RO 5 and through him RO 2. When working in Country D (probably Israel) in 2002, Smirnov helped flip two spies, including RO 5, for Country D. Country D had caught RO 5 spying, but gave him 48 hours to leave the country rather than expelling him. RO 5 continued to provide Smirnov intelligence, but never anything adverse to Russia. In 2019, RO 5, whose wife is related to a former Russian spook, RO 6, had described what Russia might look like under different leadership. Smirnov never met RO 6, but once spoke to him briefly over a car speaker phone.
  • February 28, 2022: Smirnov’s partner buys a condo in Las Vegas, using his money, for $1,425,000.
  • December 2022: A RU spy (not any of the identified ones) tells Smirnov the identity of a Russian spy living outside of RU.
  • January 2023: Smirnov confirms, from a different non-identified RU spy, the first name of the RU spy living outside of RU.
  • May 2023: Smirnov participates in discussions to end the Ukraine war
  • By September 2023: Smirnov already claimed knowledge of the Premier Palace kompromat, sourcing that knowledge to four RU Officials, almost certainly one he described meeting in later months.

In other words, there are a bunch of things that lie behind all the reporting about parties with Russian oligarchs on yachts in (probably) UAE that Weiss’ team burned.

First, Smirnov’s entrée into Russian intelligence came by helping someone — probably Israel — flip RO 5, years ago, back in 2002. Smirnov may have thought he had flipped RO 5, but RO 5 never gave him any intelligence about Russia. In other words, in the process of flipping RO 5 for a country that likely is Israel, Russia learned that Smirnov was in the business of flipping people, and strung him along for years.

Smirnov allegedly lied about conversations with Zlochevsky in 2016 that implicated Joe Biden. But his currently operative story is that he had ties with Viktor Shokin from that period — someone who was absolutely central in the 2020 influence operation. It’s not clear that Smirnov ever revealed that to his handler, which surely would have changed the import of those texts sent in response to a story claiming there were secret recordings about Shokin’s firing.

That’s not the only important Ukraine tie. In January 2022, as Russia prepares to invade Ukraine, Smirnov used his tie to Russian spooks, the guy he thought he had flipped years before, RO 5, to meet RO 2. After brokering a meeting, Smirnov then asked for a favor, that Russia protect his associate when they invaded. Then, RO 2 lied about Russia’s intention.

That’s critical background to Smirnov’s claim to be involved in peace negotiations: His entire relationship with Russian spooks is built off a series of lies.

Then, finally, there’s the question of whether Smirnov retroactively provided reporting to cover up what he admitted to Weiss’ team in September: that for months, he had been part of an information operation that involved interfering in the US election and as part of that he had advance knowledge of a plan to frame Hunter Biden.

Again.

Weiss’ team has hinted that Smirnov’s entire relationship with Russian intelligence was built off that effort to flip RO 5 for another country, almost certainly Israel.

But they’re not telling us what they know, if anything, about Israel’s ongoing involvement with all this.

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  2. Troutwaxer says:

    The real problem here goes way beyond the case against Hunger Biden, or even the case against Smirnov. The problem is this: If you read between the lines Smirnov is a speck. He’s an independent contractor who works for what? Any of four countries? “You want some Kompromat? I’ll give you Kompramat! Who do you want it on? I have report written already, you just give me name…”

    So gun-for-hire Smirnov wanders into an FBI office, and it’s Tuesday, and they’ve got nothing better to do than interview this speck, then these mostly-Republican, mostly Christian (Mormon?) G-Men decide he’s given them the anti-Biden crown jewels and they don’t even bother to check out his story (or maybe they do check it out and don’t care that he’s lying.) And they bring this crap to the DOJ, who has to know it’s crap, and the DOJ brings it to court, along with pictures of table saws and laptops they didn’t handle to any forensic standard and the Federal Judge actually lets the DOJ attorneys involved continue bringing the case! (And doesn’t report them to the Bar.)

    Hey guys! I got your swamp right here? You want a Deep State? You want a swamp! Read emptywheel – she’ll tell you all about it!

    /Rant mode off…

    …but I’m not wrong.

    • Rayne says:

      I think you mean “spec” as in specification, ex. work on spec.

      Speck = a cured meat Switzerland/Italy, or a small dark blotch, ex. fly speck.

        • emptywheel says:

          In other news, in writing this post I figured out the real meaning of bellwether, and that it has nothing to do with weather.

        • Savage Librarian says:

          Was the bellwether sheep dipped? But what I really want to know is: Are you saying Country C is Ukraine?

        • earlofhuntingdon says:

          Your work ought to be a bellwether of where the lamestream media should go, but it never seems to get the memo.

        • Savage Librarian says:

          Yes, definitely a fox! The 1st new car I ever bought was an Audi Fox. It was a showroom model with a custom paint job. Metallic chestnut. Reddish brown with a shimmer. We traveled together from the Atlantic to the Pacific. From the Great Lakes to the Florida Keys. I loved that little car.

      • bloopie2 says:

        The term “speck” brought to mind my Hungarian mother’s cooking from ages ago. Speck and Szalonna are two terms I remember. Speck, I think, was a type of cured ham. Szalonna was an old peasant meal we would make in the back yard, over an outdoor wood fire. On a rack over the fire, put some pork fat with its rind to cook. Meanwhile, put green pepper, onion and tomato slices on a piece of rye bread. Then use a campfire cooking tool to hold the bread under the fat, allowing the fat to drip onto the bread. Very tasty.

        • goatrodeo says:

          Ahhh, thanks for this. My wife is Hungarian too, and each year we have a Szalonna fire on a chilly night sometime in December. It’s a lot of work, kinda messy, and fulfills one’s annual quota for bacon fat consumption, but delicious and fun for the family, and keeps her memories alive even as Orban has dismantled much that served her well, like a free press and universities, oh, and democracy. The country is in quiet mourning as near I can sense based on our periodic phone calls home and my limited facility with Hungarian. Bizto!
          In other news, I made Babgulyas this weekend!

    • RipNoLonger says:

      While we’re dealing with specks, was the use of “Hunger Biden” intentional? I have a hard time keeping up with cute knicknames that are sometimes assigned.

      And I thought Republicans were real men (even the ones like MTG) and would instantly know that the table saw was covered with wood dust. Since they just finished remodeling their kitchen and adding a new 1,000 foot addition to their house. Guess I’m wrong, again

      • 90's Country says:

        I ‘spec’ most of the above comments have a kernel of truth. And it’s not speck but I once asked my wife’s grandmother in Dozier, Alabama (where Tim Cooks father was from) when uncle Uncle Teeb and Aunt June would arrive and she said “Oh I ‘spect they’ll be here tireckly.”

      • Troutwaxer says:

        ‘Hunger Biden’ was a typo. Sorry, but there was no snark intended. (Though the ‘g’ in ‘Hunger’ was the only part of the rant that was snark-free.)

    • Bob Roundhead says:

      The career folks at DOJ, CIA, Department of Homeland Security, FBI, etc IMO, do not accept the legitimacy of any electoral process which does not elect folks that hold the same political beliefs as themselves. They view those on the left as threats to national security. Their competence and biases are not to be questioned. It reminds me of the scene from “The Good Shepherd “
      “Joseph Palmi : Let me ask you something… we Italians, we got our families, and we got the church; the Irish, they have the homeland, Jews their tradition; even the niggers, they got their music. What about you people, Mr. Wilson, what do you have?
      Edward Wilson : The United States of America. The rest of you are just visiting.”

    • jecojeco says:

      Hi,
      Just want to throw out a little background, scanned the write up so apologies if I repeat:

      Chesnoff has repped Joe Bravo a Buffalo/LasVegas convicted mafia drug dealer and been his business partner. Chesnoff also repped Corey Lewandowski when he groped the wife of a GOP bigwig. Also repped a Nev felon convicted of 2020 election denial fraud. So Chesnoff comes from the trump sleazy lawyer bullpen and not too much of a stretch seeing him get pro-active in helping a key actor flee.

      Albregts ,the Las Vegas judge is a trump admin appointee (2019).

      None of this proves wrongdoing but they’re all trump orbit players

      PS I thought “Hunger” was intentional and humorous!

  3. BobBobCon says:

    The contrast between Smirnov and Gal Luft is interesting to me. While both are Israeli Anericans who were supposed to be star Biden whistleblowers before they were separately indicted, Luft’s entaglements seem to be overwhelmingly Chinese.

    I can’t begin to guess who might be able to cover both bases. It could be Americans, Israelis, a third country which has compromised one or both, or joint cooperation. But it does suggest this isn’t a single track Russia-GOP effort.

  4. Fancy Chicken says:

    With Weiss apparently so far ahead of his skis and without a properly built out team to successfully prosecute Smirnov, isn’t it time for Garland to at least ask questions, get involved somehow since going after Smirnov is going to upset the apple cart in the intelligence community or provide that team build-out even if we don’t hear about it anytime soon if ever?

    And why would Smirnov confess to being part of a Russian election interference effort to the same said country being interfered with?

    It doesn’t seem like he was telling the FBI he was part of that operation to help guard the US from those efforts but rather that Smirnov was making the assumption that his handler and higher-ups as well as Weiss would be happy to run with Russian provided information/kompromat in order to smear Bidens the way Comer et all have. I find that scenario to be horrifying as that suggests Russian intelligence is deliberately trying to work our Justice Department to its goals with willing partners inside.

    And I’m still boggled about Weiss’s actions all around.

    I know it’s going to take some time for some answers about just what exactly is going on here but I can’t shake the feeling that whatever it is has the potential of being a huge bombshell that reveals the extent of Russian manipulation within the Justice Department and our intelligence community.

  5. Error Prone says:

    Is there any chance Smirnove is Johatdhan Buma’s DYNAMO? A source in LA, pulled from Buma handling, all Buma indicates knowing, possibly assigned to another handler, one more amenable to objectives top down at DOJ at the time?
    https://www.emptywheel.net/2023/11/16/the-suspected-2019-exposure-of-jonathan-bumas-source/

    The handling history, the travel history both passports will show once a warrant is obtained, other stuff is still pending. I read somewhere that Biden has removed a visa requirement for travel between U.S. and Israeal, but that would need someone to verify, I cannot. If so, and when a visa requirement vanished, if at all, could matter. On voice deepfakes, decades ago a friend assisted a U.Wash. PhD candidate on a thesis aimed at tiny vocabulary voice recognition fitting hardware then available on a desktop, where a speker’s spectrum could be overlayed on another person’s speech, so by now the technology can do it as a packaged app. The cadence of the original speech, now, might even be tunable to another person’s speech pattern, I do not know. But if deepfakes are discernible cadence might matter.

    With Russia mentioned extensively within the Smirnov indictment, and Israel not mentioned beyond dual citizenship, there are nuances travel records might disclose, while time on an offshore yacht might be harder to verify.

    Other than mention that Smirnov was taken into custody in Vegas after landing from international travel, the public knows little of where/when.

    The Vegas Magistrate allowing GPS monitored release is mind-boggling.

    Last thought, an argument can be made that Bibi and cabinet would rather a Trump win in a 2024 Biden-Trump election, and might want a thumb on the scale. No convenient link, but recent news is 3,300 new settlement units to be authorized, after a checkpoint shooting by three Palestinians in occupied territory. While Biden and others talk two-state.

    • happolati says:

      Good call. I suppose DYNAMO knowing all sorts of things about money laundering could fit with Smirnov’s alleged shady crypto dealings: https://cryptonews.net/news/ico/28602158/

      Also, this is from last year’s New Yorker article about Buma: “He [Buma] may have violated agency rules in seemingly minor ways—by being in contact with sources abroad without proper clearance, or by using his personal car for government business. He also got into a dispute with his supervisors about whether he had broken protocols about encrypted communication over personal electronic devices.” Sounds familiar, no?

    • bmaz says:

      “The Vegas Magistrate allowing GPS monitored release is mind-boggling.”

      No, it really is not at all. People seriously need to quit viewing release as the start of punishment for actors they hate. It is unbecoming.

      • Error Prone says:

        Do you think it would be as likely Smirnov getting release on GPS monitoring if he had not retained the lawyer who was in practice with the long term former Vegas mayor, who was succeeded by his wife as mayor, or were hometown ties not a factor?

        • bmaz says:

          He certainly should have been. The two counts he faces are 18 USC 1001 and 1519. Both relatively speaking lower level non-violent, non-repetitive, offenses, and he is currently cooperating. Were he my client, I would certainly expect release on the apparent terms. Having Dave Chesnoff appear for you never hurts though.

      • Rugger_9 says:

        Was the NV magistrate aware of the complete connections between Smirnov and the spooks? It had to factor into the calculation, and FWIW the SF Chronicle did a story about just how ineffective GPS monitoring is for those trying to dodge it. Even if Smirnov were OK, I have no trouble thinking that the FSB would want him away from US prosecutors who would ask inconvenient questions.

        • timbozone says:

          A better question is what the Federal judge in California that quickly issued a follow on arrest warrant knows that the Federal judge in Nevada does not.

        • HikaakiH says:

          The Nevada detention hearing was before a Fed. Magistrate Judge (which is the usual course of things for a detention hearing) whereas the California court that issued the arrest warrant is presided over by an Art. 3 Federal Judge, Otis D. Wright II.
          Judge Wright’s brief bio at https://www.fjc.gov/history/judges/wright-otis-d-ii shows: he was born in Alabama in 1944; served in the USMC in the 60’s; spent the 1970’s as a Deputy Sheriff for LA County during which time he earned his BA and JD degrees; then spent 3 to 4 years as a Deputy AG of California before 20+ years of private practice in LA; 2005-2007 Superior Court Judge; early 2007 nominated by GWB to be US District Court Judge.
          A bio of Nevada Fed. Mag. Judge Daniel Albregts is at https://www.nvd.uscourts.gov/court-information/judges/magistrate-judge-daniel-albregts/ and shows he spent some stints as a public defender.
          Perhaps therein lies a difference of opinion on the balance between pretrial detention and release.
          Judge Wright’s order for US Marshalls to bring Smirnov to his court was quite emphatic!

        • Rugger_9 says:

          Indeed, and that’s why I asked the question I did because of the rapidity of the district judge bigfooting the magistrate. Depending upon what the NV magistrate had in front of him, it may have been a valid outcome. If the NV magistrate did not have the full story, I think that is the problem to be fixed.

        • Rugger_9 says:

          How did a CA district (Central District) arrest warrant end up before a District of Nevada magistrate? Don’t they have magistrates in LA?

        • Rugger_9 says:

          Possibly, but I can’t help but think about forum shopping as an alternate explanation.

          IIRC, there was a case many years ago in TX where a finding of suicide was blessed by a justice of the peace pulled out of retirement (she was quite elderly, 80s or 90s) even though the circumstances were (ahem) iffy. However, it did cover some politico’s arse.

  6. happolati says:

    Thanks for the detailed overview.

    According to the Smirnov memo, RUSSIAN INDIVIDUAL 2 is a “high-ranking member of Russia’s largest steel and mining company” (so NLMK, Severstal, Evraz, Lebedinskiy..?), and this person’s yacht was most likely in the UAE in October-November of last year. It should be possible to figure out who this guy is using position data from stuff like Marinetraffic, right? Deripaska would be too easy, and he’s primarily in aluminium, not steel, I think.

      • happolati says:

        Ah, he was one of my other guesses. Makes sense for him to have access to these intel types given his Duma membership (and strong ties to organised crime…).

    • coalesced says:

      I’ve got the Madame Gu moored at Port Rashid, Dubai from March 2022 through November 2023 (my most current imaging is cloud covered so likely still there.) Shes directly across from the Queen Elizabeth 2. Latitude 25°15’46.59″N, Longitude 55°16’59.80″E

        • Eschscholzia says:

          The QE 2 was retired in 2008, and converted into a permanently moored hotel there in 2016, although I don’t know when the hotel opened. Like the Queen Mary in Long Beach CA.

          The date slider in Google Earth shows the inner harbor next to the QE 2 had working boats in it until mid-2018, then nothing but large yachts and super yachts since then.

          I learned bellwether in an odder context: a grad course on quantitative genetics where the prof (from NZ) used sheep breeding examples so “reproductive value” had units of $$. Wethers & bellwethers have RV = 0, but the quality of their wool can be used to better estimate the RV of their mother, sisters. aunts, nieces, etc.

  7. zscoreUSA says:

    Dang, this guy flips spies to Israel at only age 22 and is the middle of all these Ukraine – Russia negotiations, this smells really bad. This article is helpful to follow along, this wilderness of mirrors.

    Also, FBI handler using personal phone and being friendly with the source?
    “Let me try to prove it for you bro”

    • AgainBrain says:

      Which brings us back to “…but rather that Smirnov was making the assumption that his handler and higher-ups as well as Weiss would be happy to run with Russian provided information/kompromat in order to smear Bidens the way Comer et all have.”

      Fancy Chicken’s feeling certainly appears the shortest path for connecting more than a few dots. Many Congressional GOP certainly haven’t shied away from disregarding reality in favor of promoting lies they prefer of late, as well as keeping company with “less savory” types of late just because they share certain goals. Is it really so far fetched they’d willingly work “with” (for) RIS if they believed it would help them reach their goals (esp. given the ultimate autocratic / anti-democratic nature of their goals)?

      Put another way: Has discouraging calls of “treason” inhibited recognizing actual treason? (j/k, but with a kernel of actual concern)

      • John Paul Jones says:

        In US terms, treason is a very specific crime. Nothing in what Smirnov or the House Republicans have done comes close to the statutory definition. Plus, the latter are covered under the Speech & Debate clause.

        • AgainBrain says:

          Just to clarify, I’m aware of the legal specificity of “treason”, wasn’t suggesting so much with anything around Smirnov. I was suggesting the potential existed among the darker possibility that members of Executive and/or Legislative could be actively coordinating “with” (for) RIS towards bringing down our government.

          As the evidence mounts that some or all of these folks were acting with the worst-possible-faith intentions and ends, we need to consider that such coordination isn’t as far-fetched as it might seem — particular given Trump’s relationship with and enamor of Putin, and their seeming willingness to put his needs and wants ahead of everything else.

        • bmaz says:

          What a load of garbage. So, you understood the parameters and implications, and rolled with it anyway? THAT was your best take, to insinuate bullshit and then walk back?

          Seriously? The “evidence of treason” is NOT mounting. Trump and Putin are not even close. Please don’t make this site stupid with bullshit.

        • AgainBrain says:

          Well aware, believe it or not I actually feel similarly about it. That said, as we discover the ever-greater depths of their corruption and malfeasance, we do begin to creep towards a point where the actuality enters the picture.

          Just to further complicate meeting the definition, unlike international wars, pinning down the “beginning of hostilities” in modern civil wars can also be surprisingly difficult (without substantial hindsight distance, anyway).

        • Rayne says:

          That’s it, you’re done in this thread. Your concern trolling about treason in spite of feedback will end now. With less than 100 comments under your belt here under four usernames since 2020, you haven’t earned a lot of cred here — you’re depleting what little you’ve accumulated by continuing to press on this issue.

          One more time because it’s not getting through your fucking head: IT’S NOT TREASON WITHOUT A DECLARED ENEMY AND A DECLARED WAR.

          Read the law carefully and then go take a seat in shade.

          18 U.S. Code § 2381 – Treason

          Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States

          See the words “war” and “enemies”? That. Foreign agents working inside the government for a foreign government are spies, not combatants.

          Now hit the shade.

        • OneFineMonster says:

          I need some help parsing the vehemence behind this. Is it because mislabeling the threat pushes us further from identifying and dealing with the actual threat?

          [Moderator’s note: First, we have covered this subject ad nauseam here, the topic now like federal RICO — it’s never treason, don’t even talk about it. Second, the topic derails conversation in this thread and acts like a distributed denial of service. You have now ignored moderation demand to stop going off topic into this subject which has been abused for years. Thirdly, it’s after 1:00 am here and I’d like to go to bed without commenters continuing to beat this years-dead horse so yeah, I’m going to be a vehement bitch about it. /~Rayne]

        • bmaz says:

          Hi there Rayne: How about crediting where you came to that knowledge. It sure was not on your own. It was from me, both as to treason and RICO. But ignore that and act like it was you; good plan.

          You are a backstabber. Have the guts to acknowledge that which came before your “moderation team”.

        • Rayne says:

          First, you can’t take credit for teaching me about treason; your first comment about treason looked like this as did the several you made about treason thereafter. I’ve repeatedly cited 18 USC 2381 itself for years now.

          Second, I’d have put up Popehat’s post “It’s never RICO” except this is what I found last night at this link:

          Perhaps I should have linked this for attribution. Or perhaps this instead. Not particularly helpful now.

    • coalesced says:

      Definitely agree with the strangeness of the texts. While I have zero knowledge base in the world of intrigue/espionage, Smirnov’s texts with his handler are telling. “Let me try to prove it for you bro” is certainly the highlight, but his overall tone/approach hints at him having a desired endgame, but currently in the throes of finding the necessary methods.

      I agree with BobBobCon’s above noted sentiment: “it does suggest this isn’t a single track Russia-GOP effort.”

  8. Harry Eagar says:

    So four — count ’em, 4 — Rooskie spies are all talking to this guy about sekrit operations? This does not sound like top-drawer spycraft, but then I reflect on the Keystone Kops arrangements that funneled most of the USSR’s American operations through a depressed, drunken Elizabeth Bentley, and I
    think, well, Troutwaxer could be on to something.

    Was it only 12 years ago that the skulduggery was being done by Macedonian teen-agers?

  9. Mike Stone says:

    As always, an informative read. I can spend 10 minutes here each day and learn more than 10 hours of reading my hometown paper the WaPo.

    Anyway, you can bet that with the success of Smirnov there will be hundreds more of these types searching for waiting ears at the US DOJ.

  10. RitaRita says:

    I am still shocked that anyone in the DOJ/FBI or in the news media would look at anything emanating from Russia or Ukraine without a healthy dose of skepticism. The testimony of the State Department personnel in the first Trump impeachment trial laid bare the duplicity and the love of forging and counterfeiting documents of many of the power players in Ukraine, especially those who are pro-Putin.

    I wonder if the shelving of Russian experts like Bruce Orr has undermined the FBI’s ability to bring the appropriate level of scrutiny to claims coming from Ukraine or Russia.

    • earlofhuntingdon says:

      I don’t know. But the USG had such a problem, starting in the early fifties, as McCarthy era-Republicans ensured that America’s China and East Asian experts became unemployable, as scapegoats for Mao’s victory in the decades long Chinese civil war.

      • Tracy Lynn says:

        Can you point to specific references about these Chinese and East Asian experts? I would love to read more about this. I couldn’t find anything in a cursory search engine search.

        • earlofhuntingdon says:

          The most famous group of Orientalists and Sinologists at the State Dept during the 1930s and 1940s was called the China Hands, and included O. Edmund Clubb, John Paton Davies Jr, Owen Lattimore, John S. Service, and John Carter Vincent. Journalists Edgar Snow and Theodore White’s careers were also viciously derailed.

  11. freebird says:

    The lengths Smirnov and cohorts went to frame Hunter Biden is bemusing, sloppy and sophomoric. All that was needed-since Burisma had his billing and wire instructions-was to wire funds to Hunter’s account with no instructions. Hunter was a junkie who spent money like water. Any wire received would have gone to wine, women and bongs. It would have been harder with the president since they didn’t have his instructions and probably would have rescinded the wire transfer. I worked in banking so I know that money transfers get misplaced all the time and can sit in accounts for months with no one noticing. I was offered bribes, knew guys that took bribes, knew embezzlers and dealt with crooked borrowers. With that said, these guys needed to employ more skilled crooks.

    • Ginevra diBenci says:

      I would agree, except that these sloppy crooks did plenty of damage despite (or because of) the corners they cut. The biggest one strikes me as putting Hunter in Ukraine when he never was there. How did all these DOJ wonder boys let that slip through to the GOP frothers without checking it first?

      I would love to hear more about your experiences in the banking world, freebird. That world overlaps with the world of spooks and handlers in ways you must have great insight into, including with this particular tangled web.

  12. gmokegmoke says:

    Posted this a few days ago:

    There is speculation at DailyKos that Smirnov may not only be an informant for the CIA, a spy for the Russian, but also, perhaps, a spy for the Mossad. Have no idea whether the speculation holds up but here is the source:
    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/2/21/2224706/-Some-odd-things-about-the-Russian-Israeli-indicted-in-the-Hunter-Biden-case

    Reply
    Rayne
    February 21, 2024 at 4:49 pm
    Can we please preface this kind of speculation with a bit more of a caveat, that the link is content by a DKos community member not reviewed by the site?

    It could be wholly accurate but we are DEEP into territory where influence ops will spin wildly to salvage their attacks on Hunter Biden and his father.

    -30-

    “There is speculation…. Have no idea whether the speculation holds up but here is the source…” This is a variation of the “truth sandwich form” which George Lakoff advises people to use: state accurate facts at the beginning before mentioning the lie then repeat the accurate facts again. Rayne’s response has confirmed that there has always been a reason why I thought Lakoff was a little too simplistic.

    I guess next time, if there is a next time, I’ll do a triple-decker – flag speculation as speculation at the beginning, flag speculation again at the end, and then add a speculation flag as a coda to finish.

    But perhaps that won’t work either.

    • Rayne says:

      Please understand that a majority of readers here will only read what you share here in comments — they will not click through a link though it’s a best practice to provide a link here because of the caliber of folks who do actually clickthrough.

    • earlofhuntingdon says:

      Simply using “speculation” does convey the context or meaning you seem to think it does. It doesn’t convey, for example, the distinction between informed “speculation” by a skilled and knowledgeable professional and supposition by an unknown blog poster, who may have no basis for their speculation than the last Newsmax article they read. I would read and consider the views of the former; I would ignore the latter.

  13. earthworm says:

    the title of this post, THE RISK OF NON-RUSSIAN INVOLVEMENT IN ALEXANDER SMIRNOV’S ANTI-BIDEN ELECTION OPERATION, seems to invite speculation.
    what do i know? i am just a low level flatlander who comes here to learn from more informed people.
    however, it seems to scream Mossad, and that may be a no-no to even post.

    • Henry the Horse says:

      Since we are sliding down the speculation slope, it was rumored that Jared Kushner couldn’t pass his security clearance for among other reasons being a Mossad agent.

      Then of course Trump gave him one anyway.

      That would seemingly be another dot in this masterpiece of pointillism.

      • Rayne says:

        Come on, Henry, you know how this works. Is this just idle chit-chat over a urinal cake or the guesstimate of someone with intelligence chops?

        This isn’t the dead bird app where any shit flies so long as Elmo approves.

  14. Sussex Trafalgar says:

    Smirnov and his legal team will confront Judge Otis Wright tomorrow.

    Judge Wright has vast experience dealing with organized crime syndicates, including international crime syndicates, and the attorneys who regularly represent such organized crime syndicates. Such attorneys are a special breed of attorneys.

    Wright has dealt with plenty of them both as a prosecutor and as a judge.

    Smirnov and his attorneys had better not play hide and seek legal games with this judge.

    Judge Wright will also straighten out the prosecutors if need be.

    • coalesced says:

      Smirnov’s attorney David Z. Chesnoff was recently honored with the Las Vegas Scopus Award on Jan. 20 2024, presented by American Friends of the Hebrew University (AFHU) for his “strengthening of connections between Las Vegas and the Hebrew University.”

      AFHU CEO Joshua Rednik thanks Chesnoff for “His recent visit to Israel to serve as a hospital volunteer.”

      Previous Scopus Award recipients include Barbra Streisand, Leonard Bernstein, Bob Hope, Frank Sinatra, Elizabeth Taylor and Elie Wiesel, Benjamin Netanyahu, Steven Spielberg, among others.

      https://www.jns.org/wire/philanthropist-david-z-chesnoff-receives-afhu-scopus-award/

    • OneFineMonster says:

      I wonder what sort of details Judge Wright is trained to look out for; what shadows his experience has taught him to peer into.

      Guy needs to write a book.

  15. Tech Support says:

    So…

    If in 2002 Smirnov believes he has flipped an asset for the Israelis and has not, in fact, actually done so… That means he’s been a tool the whole time, yes? He meets the people the Russians want him to meet, learns what they want him to learn, etc.

    In that sense, how much has Weiss burned that is of actual value besides letting them know we know?

    What did the FBI start getting out of him in 2010?

    To what extent does the IC care about this guy?

    This is a lot of info and I’m still baffled.

    • vigetnovus says:

      Which makes me think the FBI has known this the entire time. They’ve used him for the good Intel and ignored the deza. Until Bill Barr came around, that is.

      I wonder if his primary usefulness was to plant legends for RIS and Israeli intelligence…

      • OneFineMonster says:

        Shouldn’t we be less inclined after the evidence of past 6 years to just assume complex mastery on the part of intel agencies?

        • timbozone says:

          We should believe that we do not know and cannot know the levels of indirection involved unless we are the ones doing that indirection. And even then, we might be part of an even bigger or smaller game than we think.

  16. Rayne says:

    Apropos of nothing, I wonder if now-deceased Sheldon Adelson’s wife Miriam continues his activism from their home in Las Vegas.

    I wish we knew where two of the 13 Russian nationals indicted for their role in the 2016 election influence operations happened to stop in Nevada and who they might have interacted with then in June 2014.

    https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_Adelson
    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/read-the-full-indictment-of-13-russian-nationals-for-election-interference

    ADDER: Also worth noting former CIA director John Brennan’s very last words in this interview with Michael Steele on MSNBC’s The Weekend yesterday.

    Former CIA Director explains how Russia is using ‘Republican lawmakers as tools’
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_9l9zYhsVY

    • OneFineMonster says:

      What the hell is going on? I’m starting to think regional alliances and nationalism really have little do with any of this. It’s just about transnational criminality.

      • Rayne says:

        That’s exactly what’s going on, transnational organized crime. It’s much easier to do crime in countries which have been destabilized.

        Slow down, by the way — this isn’t the dead bird app. Three comments in less than five minutes which all needed manual clearance is a bit much.

        • AndTheSlithyToves says:

          Don’t know if you saw this, Rayne, but Mark Cuban sold part of his stake (and a good chunk of Dallas property) in the Dallas Mavericks to Adelson’s widow: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/sports/mark-cuban-explains-sold-majority-stake-dallas-mavericks-rcna131499
          I was kind of shocked when I read it, because Cuban was a big supporter of Hillary in the 2016 election. Money makes strange bedfellows (I also recalled your mentioning of Adelson’s questionable casino activities in Southeast Asia).
          P.S. I babysat former Mavs coach, Rick Carlisle, and his baby brother when they were toddlers!
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Carlisle

        • Rayne says:

          Folks at certain levels of money and celebrity find themselves in insular worlds where information doesn’t reach them directly. In Cuban’s case wrt Dallas Mavericks, the information he’d have would have been winnowed down to who was able to raise the funds and meet his terms or offer reasonable ones. He wouldn’t have been looking at this through a political lens even though he’s got better than usual savvy when it comes to issues like health care expenses to average Americans. Nor do I think Cuban would have seen this deal as a squeeze play after his rejection of Trump hotels.

          Similarly, I don’t think he’s seen meeting and corresponding with Steve Bannon as a toxic decision, went and met someone he saw as politically connected to the White House.

        • wetzel-rhymes-with says:

          That’s right, Rayne. What challenges are different for an intelligence service in interacting with the intelligence services of a mafia state? Bribery and compromise, sure, but nobody is “ideologically motivated”. Does Russia even act like a “nation”. Who are these oligarchical formations with their own “assassin teams”? Globalization refers to a general cultural homogenization. This is not cultural mosaic, so I think it’s crazy to worry if Kushner is an Israeli agent. He’s an American! We should avoid “Great Man” theory or potentially anti-semitic tropes. Kushner’s got as much in common with MBS as the Koch brothers.

          Smirnov got marooned. He is in a real geography with national boundaries where he forgot there is “the law”. The law is still for you and me and him. We perceive a “mafia” growing in influence around the world with Putin at the top, but maybe coordination of some oligarchs is a form of social relation between them, a mutualism. These power networks are a kind of challenge to the nation state, I think.

        • timbozone says:

          I doubt Smirnov “forgot” anything here. He got caught up in what appears to be too many lies…at least that’s what is alleged in the indictment.

        • timbozone says:

          Kushner is more like Smirnov… but with the explicit financial backing of Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince.

        • Rugger_9 says:

          For which we do not know the ‘pro quo’ for the 2 billion dollars of quid. MBS does nothing for free, and FWIW since Jared was already out of the WH when that particular deal was signed, the list of possibilities seems short. That’s a lot of bikkies for ‘future considerations’.

  17. harpie says:

    Allison Gill [Mueller She Wrote]:

    Did Smirnov’s Lawyer Try to Help Him Flee the US?
    https://post.news/@/MuellerSheWrote/2csZqqCKxyPxX4iAUMJd6bZbYJ9

    […] Smirnov’s lawyer doesn’t say another word about the accusation, but acknowledges it was made. Either way, I asked a friend (Clearing the Fog on Twitter) about who Smirnov’s lawyer is. Is he a shady dude? Is it a public defender? Is it the kind of guy that would conspire to help a criminal defendant flee the country? Guess what came up.

    Smirnov’s lawyer, David Chesnoff, has alleged mob ties. […]

    The big questions are whether this is simply a reconsideration of Smirnov’s release, or if there’s something more nefarious going on, but the statements in the CA Judge’s order seem out of the ordinary to me. “Defendant should be brought promptly to this court” and “there is to be no deviation from this Order”. Not to mention “It has come to this court’s attention that counsel for defendant” did something to “likely facilitate” Smirnov’s escape. […]

    [Gill:] Indeed at 9 AM Monday, February 26th, 2024 [12 PM ET], the US Marshal Service is to bring the defendant (to this court) for a detention hearing. The US Marshal service is advised there is to be no deviation from this Order.” (That bold type is from the court. Not me) […]

    • earlofhuntingdon says:

      The Kochs never do anyone a favor, unless they get a bigger one in return. Haley has always been the understudy, there to open the play, if the star gets sick, drunk, or stuck in prison. The Kochs might have decided that they don’t need to pay her to do that. The field will be littered with would be understudies, if Trump does that. Sadly for the US, his replacement will end up being someone who has always been loyal to Trump. But the Kochs withdrawing won’t necessarily stop Haley’s campaign.

    • timbozone says:

      Huh. Yeah, it’s not clear what Haley is going to do after Super Tuesday, although it’s very likely to be pulling the plug here. Note that Haley is going to want something for endorsing Trump—unlikely to be a free endorsement at this point.

  18. CoffeeFiend says:

    I think of this article about the Trump 2016 hacks being an Israeli operation masked by Russia quite a bit… https://www.thenation.com/article/world/trump-israel-collusion/

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