In Advance of Robert Hur Hit Job, DOJ Updated Public Identification Policy
As Politico and NYT reported, there has been a fair amount of back and forth between lawyers for President Biden, Richard Sauber and Bob Bauer, and Bradley Weinsheimer, the career DOJ employee that Merrick Garland has put in the center of matters pertaining to Special Counsels.
I’ll come back to those more generally.
But I wanted to call attention to a particular part of the exchange. In a February 8 letter responding to a letter Biden’s attorneys sent to Merrick Garland, Weinsheimer excused Robert Hur’s gratuitous swipes at Biden this way:
Your claim that Special Counsel Hur inappropriately commented on uncharged conduct is misplaced. As an initial matter, as described above, rather than commenting on uncharged conduct, Special Counsel Hur was applying the evidence he gathered to the applicable law. While Department policy advises Department employees to exercise caution when describing uncharged conduct, the policy also provides that when considering a statement about uncharged individuals, deciding officials should consider whether public disclosure may advance a significant law enforcement interest, including [1] upholding the integrity of the investigation, and [2] whether the public has a significant need to know the information. [my emphasis and bracketed numbers]
As Biden’s attorneys described in their February 12 response, Weinsheimer’s response confused them at first, because they didn’t recognize the reference.
Then they found it in what they call “a recent addition to the Justice Manual.”
Finally, your letter also defends Special Counsel Hur’s comments by describing Department policy that, in your words, “provides that when considering a statement about uncharged individuals, deciding officials should consider whether public disclosure may advance a significant law enforcement interest, including upholding the integrity of the investigation, and whether the public has a significant need to know the information.” You did not provide a citation for this reference, and we were puzzled at its use as a defense of Special Counsel Hur’s conduct since we were unfamiliar with this language. Our uncertainty about the provenance of this reference and its applicability in this case was justified when we discovered that it appears to stem from a recent addition to the Justice Manual that has nothing to do with prosecutorial comments about uncharged conduct. That provision, Justice Manual 9-27.760, addresses whether it is appropriate to identify “by name or unnecessarily specific description” an uncharged party. It does not speak to appropriate “statements about uncharged individuals,” as you state. [my emphasis]
That got me looking for this “recent addition.”
Lo and behold, this month, February 2024, DOJ added a bunch of new language to the section of the Justice Manual describing “9-27.760 – Limitation on Identifying Uncharged Parties Publicly” (see the precursor). In addition to tweaking its applicability from those “officially” charged to those “publicly” charged, it added a bunch of new language. That language requires approval from a US Attorney, Assistant Attorney General, “or their designee,” before identifying someone in prosecution filings or a declination. It lists factors to consider.
For the same reasons, following the conclusion of a case (whether by closing of an investigation or conclusion of a prosecution), DOJ personnel should not publicly disclose the identity (either by name or unnecessarily specific description) of uncharged parties absent approval of the United States Attorney or Assistant Attorney General, or their designee. When evaluating whether to grant approval, the United States Attorney or Assistant Attorney General, or their designee, may consider factors such as:
- The privacy, safety, and reputational interests of uncharged parties;
- The potential effect of any statements on ongoing criminal investigations or prosecutions, see JM 1-7.600, 1-7.610;
- Whether public disclosure may advance significant law enforcement interests, such as where release of information is necessary to protect public safety or uphold the integrity of the law enforcement investigation; and
- Other legitimate and compelling governmental interests, including whether the public has a significant need to know the information.
Public statements concerning the identity of uncharged parties following the conclusion of a case are permissible only if the legitimate and compelling government interests served, including law enforcement interests, substantially outweigh the privacy and reputational interests of the uncharged parties. To the extent a public statement regarding uncharged parties meets this standard and is otherwise permitted by law, such disclosure must be limited to the extent necessary to advance the government interests served by the disclosure.
Significant justification for identifying uncharged parties commonly exists where it is ordered by the Court, is necessary to protect the integrity of the case, or assists the government in meeting its burden of proof. In these instances, the use of generalized terms or descriptions may be unfeasible or insufficient or may create confusion or false impressions for the judge or jury. For example, in conspiracy trials, the identity and conduct of uncharged parties are often highly relevant to the government’s case, and it is not feasible to shield that individual’s identity in proving the case. In such instances where significant justification exists relating to court proceedings and pleadings, prior approval by the appropriate United States Attorney or Assistant Attorney General is not necessary.
[updated February 2024] [my emphasis]
As Sauber and Bauer note, this section is not about whether you can call someone a doddering old man in a declination statement, it’s about whether you can name someone who has not been in a declination statement at all (for example, Hur named some, but not all, of the people interviewed in his report, including Biden’s ghost writer, who was already facing hacking threats). It simply is inapplicable.
But I find it just as interesting that Weinsheimer used language that could only have predated the draft report by days if not hours (the White House had reviewed and responded to the report by February 5). And he took that as permission to attack the doddering old man, rather than a restriction on doing so.
Frankly, I’m unsympathetic to some of the White House concerns. The report was and should have been made public. That’s not the problem.
The problem is it’s a shitty report that gets the law wrong, uses a political lens to assess key details (like Hur’s distinction between Ronald Reagan’s “diaries” and Biden’s “notebooks”), and takes unncessary swipes at Biden.
I think it was equally inappropriate for Hur to compare Biden’s conduct with Trump’s. That’s not his job, and having botched the analysis of 18 USC 793(e) (not to mention missed that unlike Biden, Trump had been cut off from classified briefings after leaving office), his comparison is useless.
Weinsheimer seems to be suggesting it was cool for Hur to attack the doddering old man and weigh in on an investigation he’s not involved in to defend his own failed prosecution. He’s fooling himself if he thinks this reassures the public.
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It’s not about ‘reassuring the public’ as much as providing the thinnest veneer of fig leaves to justify Hur’s claims for the RWNM. As I had noted in earlier posts, this full release does highlight just how biased Hur was and in a fairer world he’d be shunned by all decent society. However, this is the MAGAverse and Hur just made his bones for SCOTUS.
I also have zero doubt that all of this would be leaked out even if AG Garland did a more appropriate review and edit.
A FOIA request about what led to those changes might produce some interesting results.
I suspect Weinsheimer’s corrupt version of “upholding the integrity of the DoJ” is to comfort Trumpists and other right wingers, and to afflict those they oppose.
VRWC redux
Dear Marcy,
DAMN, you’re good at your job.
I want to say so much more (about Hur and, now, about Weinsheimer), but I’ll stop after wondering whether all of the well-justified complaints about what is, after all, the way Biden’s DoJ does special counsels, will be used to attack Smith’s investigation(s) of Trump.
I knew you were right to push back on Garland’s appointment of Hur after insufficient vetting (most recently, in your immediately-previous post), but I didn’t realize HOW right you were.
Thank you for all that you do.
Well, that’s the issue isn’t it.
There are REAL problems with having Weinsheimer overseeing SCO investigations, potentially even constitutional ones. And it’s not like Trump is giving Garland or anyone else any credit for doing that instead of running it through PADAG.
But Garland IS, also, doing the same with Jack Smith.
That said, I think we don’t actually know how good he is. He made some tactical decisions — such as, not indicting everyone else, yet. BUt we don’t know if they’re the right ones or if we’ll be bitching about him from the Gulag in 15 years.
Yes, very much so.
I ALMOST observed that we know more about the mistakes Garland has made during his tenure as AG than we know about the mistakes he hasn’t made.
If we do end up in the Gulag, I hope the library has honest histories of the 2020s.
If we do end up in the Gulag, there will be no honest histories of anything.
Etched on the stone walls with fingernails.
I think Weinsheimer is interpreting “uphold the integrity of the law enforcement investigation” to mean including materials to hold up the investigation to the American people as having integrity rather than including investigatory materials that ensures the investigation is presented with integrity.
“The problem is it’s a shitty report that gets the law wrong, uses a political lens to assess key details (like Hur’s distinction between Ronald Reagan’s “diaries” and Biden’s “notebooks”), and takes unnecessary swipes at Biden.
I think it was equally inappropriate for Hur to compare Biden’s conduct with Trump’s.”
Imagine changing a manual to justify poor writing and a political hit job. That is so desperate and debase.
I’ve been trying to track down the process, chain of command, chain of custody, and names tied to the manual change/update process to clarify who the final sign-off individual is on the manual.
https://www.mwe.com/insights/new-justice-manual-doj-attorney/
I wonder if the tail is wagging the dog. Did the manual change occur after the report was roughed out? Don’t know how long the document drafting takes but can the timing reflect prior knowledge?
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Biden could have/should have done what trump did or rather did not do. Mueller wanted to interview trump, but trump refused, probably on the advice of his lawyers. Biden could have/should have done the same. Then Biden’s lawyers would have answered written questions for him and they would have hedged the responses as trump did. Biden has not learned the lesson that trump’s MAGA world will use any and all opportunities to denigrate him.
No. He shouldn’t have. He was right to do the interview.
It’s the report that is bad, not Biden’s choices.
I disagree with all due respect to your in depth legal (legendary) analysis in so many situations.There are both legal and political considerations for Biden and trump in running for president in 2024. Just look at what trump is doing in his current legal cases. He is losing badly in court, but he then publicly disparages the prosecutor(s) and/or the Judge(s) playing the victim. His MAGA cult followers believe him. Swing Voters? Who knows. Biden has to protect himself prospectively rather than retrospectively if he is to win in November.
Can you defeat a fascist playing by rules that the fascist Does not recognize as existing? Guess we will find out.
Biden already has, so he has that going for him.
We’ll see who has learned more from 2020 in the rematch, although it’s far from certain Trump has given up his bad habits.
In addition to that, he needs to consider whether losing the Palestinian-American/Muslim votes in Michigan is inconsequential or not. They are being encouraged to vote “uncommited” in the upcoming MI primaries, ostensibly to send a message to Biden before the general election. If that message is not acknowledged by Biden, they just may not vote for President in November.
Oh dear, this is just Jill Stein by other means. Under duress, the bien-pensant left splinter apart whilst the right, whether recalling Franklin or merely by instinct, hang together like glue. And not for the first time. Will people never learn..?
Jill Stein ran at a different time, with a different Dem candidate, so this is nowhere near.
While it will be interesting to see how many vote “uncommitted” in protest, I think that the situation on the ground in the Middle East is so fluid that it really isn’t worth worrying about what the domestic political fallout will be in nine months.
I don’t know if things will get better or worse (and for whom) but they won’t be the same.
Are you suggesting Biden start acting like Trump? The presidential election is still in the early stages. It’s not a sprint, but a marathon and many things can happen that will have a much greater impact on the campaign. It’s how Biden deals with those that will make the difference.
He pulled together NATO which Trump tried his best to destroy. He helped avert some major labor strikes that both union and management could live with, without causing disruptions that would have an effect on the economy. The list goes on.
As to Hur’s portrayal of his faltering memory. All Biden has to do is show how wrong Hur was in making that assessment, simply by competently carrying out the duties of the office he holds and deal with what situations come up, as he has been doing the past three years.
Of course not. President Biden is a decent man. That being said, the threat of political violence is real and growing. It is being fed by a compliant press and in this case, a politicized justice department official.
Biden will do fine. He got to where he is by not being stupid, by not being extreme. His people have had four years in office.
Trump has a loyal base. So if Dem GOTV is done with vigor to neutralize that base, Biden’s in for four more.
And – He could get both houses of Congress. GOTV will be the measure of how well he and the party do. Also, the Michigan Muslim vote, where else can it go? Cut off the nose to spite the face? Not really a smart move. The Bernie vote figured it out and so can the Muslim vote.
The Bernie vote in Michigan didn’t figure it out in 2016 if the 80K undervote which let to Trump winning Michigan by a little over 10K votes is any proof.
Just like the Nader vote did in Florida in 2000?
If the Michigan GOP’s civil war doesn’t end soon, they may not have a Presidential Elector slate for November’s election, plus they are broke. They aren’t the only state party with problems either.
Trump didn’t testify. That’s one small contributing factor to his losing as an incumbent. Of course, the rotten economy in Fall 2020 had a bigger effect. Still, his not testifying bother some folks. Given the margins of the election, those votes mattered.
Agreed!
What must happen now is that when SC Robert Hur testifies in the House, the Democrats must dispense with the “Romper Room” five minute speeches and, instead, give all their five minutes to a bonafide trial attorney working on behalf of them who can challenge Hur with all the inconsistencies in his report that you have identified.
“Romper Room” five minute speeches is a waste of time; a competent trial attorney questioning Hur under oath about the inconsistencies and oddities in his report is time well spent.
Yes.
Is any of this shittyness, and dickish moves, that have plagued both Biden’s cases cause for the IG to get involved?
Only if you want to bury a controversy. That’s not a route that has yielded much accountability.
As crummy as Hur’s cheap shots were, the media can still turn it around by playing up the bulk of Hur’s report – if they really wanted to.
Instead of focusing in on Hur’s questionable use of “willfully” and “poor memory”, the media could stress that a year-long investigation cleared Biden by highlighting all of the many reasons why Donald Trump’s indictments were justified compared to Biden. MSM let themselves look flat-footed against the conservative spin machine. They should have quickly reported the release as a comprehensive exoneration of Biden against culpability along with a scathing rebuke of Trump’s case in contrast. And note that it was done by a Republican Special Counsel who is a Trump supporter.
There is still opportunity for the media to get it right. They can hammer home Hur’s findings that no criminal charges against Biden were warranted and how serious Trump’s indictments are according to Hur. The media should also sprinkle in suggestions that Hur made some uncalled-for jabs at Biden’s memory in a probable attempt to escape the wrath of Trump and the right.
The right knows that most of the public never gets into the weeds of these investigations. They will read the words “Mueller Report”, “Durham Report”, and “Hur Report” and see it as either good or bad for Trump or Dems based on what their news source tells them. The right understands that if they can get out in front of the media with their own spin, it won’t matter what the actual contents said because their supporters will accept the conclusion they’ve been sold to accept.
Right now, the words “Hur Report” are being sold as devastating for Joe Biden. MSM could easily turn that around. It only requires that they do their job.
I suggest you listen to the newest episode of On the Media. I am unfamiliar with Jack Shafer but I found his parsing more than interesting.
https://www.npr.org/podcasts/452538775/on-the-media
If it was anything like his garbage piece for Politico, it was, well, garbage.
Decades ago Shafer was an actual press critic, and in the classic sense of a critic being someone who examined methods and systems and talked about how the sausage got made.
In recent years he’s become a crank. He sees his role is purely a critic of press critics, but not in the good sense of a critic. He’s just against people who perform real critical analysis, and looks for whatever way he can to dismiss them.
He’s lazy, and refuses to engage in what serious critics say, and is endlessly creating strawmen that falsely represent what people are saying so he can simply handwave them off. He’s become the thing he used to skewer, and it’s frankly embarassing to see.
Thanks for the clarification and yeah that is the vibe I got but I did not have enough information to make an informed comment.
He’s apparently also a staunch libertarian, with the usual anti-govt biases.
Shafer once fell into the camp of libertarians who were capable of independent thought, in the Ken White model.
More recently he’s collapsed into the groupthink of the worst of them, though.
I think it’s telling that Shafer was a mentor of Erik Wemple at the Washington City Paper. Wemple used to have insightful things to say decades ago, but now he’s become as big of an embarassment in terms of carrying water for a narrow set of sources as Jeff Gerth.
Did Hur have this revision to the manual in mind while finishing his report? He seemed very selective when it came to identifying those in Biden’s orbit. Among his VP staff, Hur seems determined to showcase a parable of the Good Soldier vs. the Sleazy Bureaucrat.
The latter gets named, as well as ID’d by title, whereas the conscientious Good (and literally military) Staffer, the one who tried in vain to right Biden’s loose ship of classified documents, gets the exact opposite treatment–her identity carefully concealed. And I would swear Hur draws attention to his own conscientiousness as he gloms approvingly onto hers.
EW’s post above puts this in an even less flattering light.
How does an attorney’s unscientific assessment of someone’s cognitive ability uphold the integrity of the investigation and reassure the public?
Perhaps SC Hur thought that taking gratuitous swipes at a political figure would assuage the opponents of that political figure. This looks like the legal equivalent of “fair and balanced”.
Perhaps Hur wants Trump to win the next election and did the best he could to help bring that about.
And simultaneously built a defense for himself against being called before a House committee and dressed down for not charging President Biden.
lol. The bozo MAGATs in the House will call Hur if and when it suddenly occurs to them to do so.
The Comer Clown Committee has already dropped hints about wanting to speak to Hur. After the Bobulinsky fiasco masquerading as testimony, I would expect Comer would close the hearing (Hur would be OK with that). However, the Ds still get to take Hur apart, five minutes at a time. Perhaps as a public service the board could send along some question ideas.
The obvious irony is that a few years ago when trained psychiatrists and psychologists began raising issues of Trump’s mental fitness, there were endless articles saying it was inappropriate for experts to weigh in without personally examining him in depth.
All of those people have gone silent as far as complete nonexpert Hur’s judgment. If pressed, they’d claim they’re not biased, but they’re so immersed in a deeply biased system they can’t even see the double standards they operate by.
NY Times ran an opinion piece by a neuroscientist that addressed the issue of forgetting and discussed when forgetting becomes a clinical issue. He noted that the forgetfulness documented by Hur was not of clinical concern.
It is shameful for Hur and the responsible news media not to inform themselves and the public with science instead of relying on age-related stereotypes.
Agree on all points. Link to that opinion piece (I used the “share full article” option):
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/12/opinion/neuroscientist-on-biden-age-memory.html?unlocked_article_code=1.W00.-A10.aVRMlAERBlRK&smid=url-share
Here it is on the Internet Archive:
Biden Seems Forgetful, but That Doesn’t Mean He Is ‘Forgetting’ Feb. 12, 2024, 5:01 a.m. ET
https://web.archive.org/web/20240212110426/https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/12/opinion/neuroscientist-on-biden-age-memory.html
Well, this doesn’t seem to be working with, even though I subscribe to NYT and am logged in at the moment. Sorry about that.
“Frankly, I’m unsympathetic to some of the White House concerns. The report was and should have been made public. That’s not the problem.
The problem is it’s a shitty report that gets the law wrong, uses a political lens to assess key details (like Hur’s distinction between Ronald Reagan’s “diaries” and Biden’s “notebooks”), and takes unnecessary swipes at Biden.”
I disagree. Because the report got the law wrong, etc, it should not have been made public until corrected.
Wow, good catch Marcy. I’m pretty sure that Weinsheimer rewriting the rule books days or even hours before arguing for release of the report “as is” goes directly against upholding “the integrity of the law enforcement investigation,” and the same can be said of Hur’s disgustingly age-ist remarks.
And does the public have “a significant need to know the information” that Biden is old and sometimes forgetful?? Biden admits as much. What the public needs to know is that Biden, unlike Trump, surrounded himself with a capable and effective staff and Cabinet (plus decades of experience in how Congress actually works). That’s called wisdome and Hur is too corrupted and age-ist to see it. But (a majority of) voters aren’t.
So, I guess these rules apply to any of Smith’s reports as well, but I hope he doesn’t feed into the “both sides do it” meme.
It would be useful to follow the change process for signatories and underlying reasons for the change. I know in the medical device world policy changes like this are not done on the fly like this was, and it’s a pretty serious change. Peterr and klynn are already on it.
OT, but so typical: it appears that the gold hightops have red soles which is a trademark of Christian Louboutin. Not only is it a trademark infringement (always expensive to litigate) it will likely be filed in the EU which doesn’t like Defendant-1 for a lot of reasons and has a different standard for culpability. Also, the fine print says it could take months to ship the shoes and it’s not Defendant-1’s fault, so there.
Sad. But if Trump has structured this properly – LOL – the designer, manufacturer, and/or seller might be liable, but probably not the licensee. He didn’t design, make or sell the shoe, he provided permission to use a logo.
A normal licensee might have checked out such things, though, and many licensees want quality assurances for the products they put their name to. Historically, Trump just wants the money; he’ll put his name on any old thing.
If there’s litigation, we might see whether the “no refunds” policy holds up, especially if the seller is unable to deliver shoes at all, owing to a trademark violation. Mind you, who knows where the money already paid ended up. Another load Trump has dumped in his elephantine wake.
Marcy, you wrote, “But I find it just as interesting that Weinsheimer used language that could only have predated the draft report by days if not hours (the White House had reviewed and responded to the report by February 5). And he took that as permission to attack the doddering old man, rather than a restriction on doing so.” I am wondering instead of with the Hur Report in mind, if you think there any chance this new guidance might have been developed to help answer questions from the prosecutors drafting the Smirnov indictment, instead. The team may have been having a problem deciding whether they would need to name Giuliani with the prior guidelines. I do not know this, but the Smirnov indictment was released on Feb 14. From your Feb 15 post, “The indictment ties Smirnov’s efforts to frame Joe Biden with Rudy Giuliani’s efforts, though without naming Rudy.”
I did not read carefully. The DOJ policy is “at the conclusion of a case”. My imagination flew off on whether DOJ leadership might have had to debate whether it was in the “public interest” to divulge that Smirnov approached the FBI through a side channel set up by the former Attorney General so that a political operative could share information with the DOJ about the former President’s political enemies, or if that kind of thing is left to underlings. Emphasizing these facts might tarnish the reputation of the DOJ, which would not be in the public’s interest! Maybe Congress can get to the bottom of all this. It’s hard to get your head around it.
How much input/oversight does Merritt Garland have over rule changes like this?
Ordinarily, that’s probably something the Deputy AG – Lisa Monaco, who is in charge of day-to-day operations – would handle.