Trash Talk: Embracing Your Bi as in Coastal

[NB: check the byline, thanks. /~Rayne]

“Snacks are ready,” a text message read, including a photo of a decadent oozy appetizer overflowing with calories.

Ordinarily this kind of American excess arrives with the Super Bowl, but this year in Michigan it’s arrived with the rare NFL Conference Championship game in which the Detroit Lions meet the San Francisco 49rs at 6:30 p.m. ET in San Francisco.

I’m not understating the amount of energy the Lions’ success has spread over its home town and the state. I have a nibling who works for one of the Big Three automakers, has season tickets to the Lions, who said that their latest trip to Meijer grocery store was crazy.

Everyone was dressed in Lions’ paraphernalia and chanting “Go Lions!” at each other in greeting as they worked their way down the aisles.

My digital copy of the Detroit Free Press today is nothing but Honolulu Blue and Lions. Every beat must have a story with a Lions angle today.

Is this what it’s like when a city like Detroit, buffeted for decades by economic head winds, saddled with a football team which mirrors the economic battering, finally makes it out of the basement and wins its division?

I had to look at local newspapers for the host cities and their competitors’ home towns:

 

Here’s the match-up which started at 3:00 p.m. ET today in Kansas City MO. Sure looks like the Chiefs’ hometown takes today’s game in stride, as if it was just another day. Baltimore Sun devotes just over half the front page to the game with two stories — by the way, you have my sympathies, Baltimore, upon the launch of that right-wing moron Armstrong Williams’ opinion column in your paper.

Now compare and contrast the coverage in hometown papers for the Lions and the 49rs who meet at 6:30 p.m. ET today in San Francisco.

It be like that everywhere in Detroit and Michigan today, so much Honolulu Blue. SF’s paper is more excited about hosting the game for their team’s slot in the conference championship than KC is, but less so than the Freep is about the Lions appearing in SF.

There was a drone light show last night in Detroit; the Michigan Central Station was decked out in blue lights cheering on the Lions.

The biggest sign of excitement, though, is Ford Field today, where four massive screens have been set up for a watch party at which 34,000 attendees are expected.

Yes, like half the capacity of the stadium. Fox2Detroit reported,

“Tickets sold out unbelievably fast. We made an offer to our Lions Loyal Members, our season ticket holders, and then opened it up to the public,” she said. “After just a few hours, 34,000 tickets sold.”

Tickets were offered at half price or $10 each to season ticket holders. My nibling bought 10 tickets for themselves and friends, naturally.

I can’t even begin to imagine how much beer Ford Field concessions will sell today in the Power Hour before kickoff.

Damn — I just realized I screwed up thinking this was about bi-coastal championships with Baltimore on the east coast and San Francisco on the west coast.

It’s a tri-coastal day with Detroit on the northern fresh water coast. Let’s see which coasts get knocked out today.

This is an open thread.

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    • Rayne says:

      Sibling mentioned overhearing someone talking about a prayer in church which included, “In Goff we trust.”

  2. Badger Robert says:

    Is $83M +costs and interest a big enough number to pierce the media veil of immunity with which the media has covered Trump? Some people are saying,…

  3. pH unbalanced says:

    It’s been so cool watching everybody get hyped about the Lions — and yes, Meijer was an absolute zoo this morning.

    The only thing I’ve seen that’s compared to it was Seattle in ’95 when the Mariners made the playoffs for the first time, and the only reason that was wilder was because there was a game that mattered *every single day* for the month of September.

    But if the Lions can go all the way, this place is going *crazy*.

    • Rayne says:

      I can’t begin to imagine just how crazy the D will get if they win. The Detroit Pistons’ NBA championships: in 1989, 1990 and 2004 didn’t generate this much crazy as I recall. I can easily remember the Red Wings’ Stanley Cup win in 2002, though — my car window was smashed by a drunken drive-by celebrant and I lived more than 2 hours way from Detroit. If it gets crazier than that I’m going to hide in the basement.

      Hope my nibling goes easy on the alcohol this evening since they still have to drive home after the game. On the other hand there’s going to be a light day at work tomorrow across the Metro area if the Lions win.

  4. sunflores says:

    How much cash is Mr. Trump burning through these days? Those airplanes don’t fly themselves.

    Mr. Trump will have a cash flow crisis in 120 days.

  5. RipNoLonger says:

    In the sub-thread here about trump and finances… He’s long past being treated as a normal financial customer with reasonably accurate statements of assets and liabilities. DeutscheBank and others knew/assumed that he had backing from other non-disclosed sources. They were even able to get their own SCOTUS person appointed (Gorsuch replacing Kennedy.)

    Contrary to what many have predicted, I don’t see Donald every needing to beg for burgers. He’ll be supported from somewhere until he isn’t anymore. His poor, poor children – well that’s life.

  6. Joseph Andrews says:

    I’ve the game on (sound muted); the NFL is the best TV show on these days…

    Rayne, I presume you have seen this (I had not, was pointed to it by Jamelle Bouie’s latest at the NYTimes):

    https://newrepublic.com/article/154944/boeing-737-max-investigation-indonesia-lion-air-ethiopian-airlines-managerial-revolution

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/27/opinion/dobbs-roe-wade-states.html?searchResultPosition=1

    This article is, to me (a short-timer at GE decades ago…I could share a detail or two about GE’s corporate culture [at least at their R&D Center in Niskayuna NY]), spectacular–I am embarrassed to admit this is the first I’ve read from Maureen Tkacik’s word processor. Wonderful writing. On to Google!

    Your piece about the important ‘insider’ comment…on a moderated news site…on the 737 bolts thingie certainly rings true with me–thanks for shining light on it–making emptywheel essential reading for yours truly.

    • Legonaut says:

      Seconding the upvote on Maureen Tkacik!

      I, too, am a meatball refugee (2000-2007, Nikayuna R&D). Although Welch left soon after I started, his cultural legacy remained firmly in place until the day I left in spite of protestations to the contrary. (I could have slipped into working for a GE Aviation subsidiary after the relo, but I passed on the “opportunity”.)

      “Grotesquely lionized”, indeed!

  7. Sussex Trafalgar says:

    I know someone who played high school football against Jared Goff. And I saw Goff play at Cal before he played for the Rams and now the Lions.

    The 49ers are prone to injuries; their defense often looks fatigued in the 4th Quarter. And except for one DB, their secondary is often confused and beatable.

    If the Lions offensive line can continue to protect Goff long enough so Goff can checkoff to his second and third receivers, the Lions will score more points than the 49ers and win the game 24-14.

    • Molly Pitcher says:

      Marin Catholic, Purdy’s HS, is my son’s high school’s rival. Mr Pitcher and I are Cal grads, so we have seen a LOT of Goff. He is a great QB and a good person. Too bad he is playing for a reckless, emotional coach whose poor decision took that possibility of the Super Bowl away from them

      Congratulations to the Lions on a terrific season. They have a bright future as long as their coach doesn’t go off the rails in high stress moments.

      • Sussex Trafalgar says:

        I think it’s okay to go for it on fourth and short in regular season games; however, it is unwise to do it on the opponent’s home field in a sudden death game.

        Six degrees of separation—Purdy’s mother was a high school classmate of one of my wife’s nieces.

        I played against Marin Catholic in baseball and basketball back in the 1960s. Beautiful area.

      • CaboDano says:

        I had to talk my nephew off the ledge in Flint. Like all long-suffering Lions fans, he’s invested so much in them for so long, his first reaction was “Fire Campbell!” I get it. But in Campbell’s defense, he’d been 2 for 2 on 4th downs in the playoffs, and 75% in the regular season. As a long-suffering Charger fan, I saw this happen with our now fired coach, Brandon Staley. Early success with 4th downs caused him to go overboard in the usage of 4th and 3, 4th and 1, 4th and whatever. In Campbell’s case, you’re right…he get’s amped, but his players wanted those 4th down tries. Goff said as much and he was supported by others on the offense.

        Isn’t Monday morning quarterbacking grand? I feel for Lions fans, but the takeaway for me is what a great season they had! Nobody wanted any part of that juggernaut. Their speed is right up there with the Ravens. Take the chiefs in the SB. Mahomes/Kelcy/Taylor is a tough combo to beat!

  8. Tracy Lynn says:

    Although I’m a fair-weather 9er fan, it won’t break my heart too badly if the Lions pull off this upset. They played brilliant ball all season and, well, the city deserves it. If it happens, I hope the locals won’t go too crazy in celebration.

  9. bloopie2 says:

    The Guardian reports on some scientifig thinking that all those cloudy days the Great Lakes area has been having more recently (warm weather, lakes not frozen, more moisture in the air, more clouds, less sunlight) can cause seasonal affective disorder. (It’s not the horrid political situation making you feel like crap.) Here’s hoping that a Lions victory will assuage that! Go team!

  10. Old Rapier says:

    The NFL’s officials vendetta against Detroit has faded but obviously not ended. There is a 70% chance the officials will decide this game, for San Fran. I am not saying it’s conscious. It just is.

  11. Joseph Andrews says:

    I spent some of my formative years in Lake Orion, MI.

    …saw a couple of Lions games in old Tiger Stadium…sat in something called ‘The Coaches Corner’…seats which were in the center-field section of the ballpark. It was cold as hell. And wet. I remember the cigar smoke from the man next to me, a boy of eleven or so. Then he took a long, slow drink from his (what I thought were) binoculars.

    In those days (late 60s-early 70s), the Lions’ main rival? Bud Grant’s hated Minnesota VIkings. While we lived there, the Lions lost to the Vikings like clockwork, twice every year. Reading the Monday morning Detroit Free Press sports page was not fun the day after playing the Vikes.

    Bo Schembechler’s Michigan teams were very good in those days. But seldom great. As I recall the Wolverines always had placekicker problems. But while living I did learn of the word all good Michiganders learn.

    One word: ‘ohowihateohiostate’

    • Benji-am-Groot says:

      Dick Purtan fan?

      ‘Liquidate Ohio State and humble Woody Hayes –
      he breeds a lot of cattle in Columbus, send them home to graze…’

      Good times.

      • Joseph Andrews says:

        My parents LOVED Dick Purtan. Nice recollection!

        …I was a bit young then but did get my start listening to sportstalk radio: ‘Dial Dave Diles’; WXYZ?

        Al Ackerman was good on TV sports.

        …game has tightened up. Now tied.

        • Benji-am-Groot says:

          Don’t forget The Ghoul and Sir Graves Ghastly.

          Rita Bell anyone?

          George Pierrot presents perhaps?

  12. Joseph Andrews says:

    …as Hank Stram used to say, ‘the Lions are matriculating down the field’.

    The boys in Honolulu Blue are playing quite well.

    And we may find out if Brock Purdy is more than a game manager and lead his team back from a two touchdown deficit.

    • punaise says:

      Big steaming helping of crow on the menu tonight around the bay, followed by a dessert of humble pie.

    • P J Evans says:

      So far…but it’s not yet over. It’s taken them nearly 5 minutes to get from 56 seconds left to 47 seconds left.

    • Rugger_9 says:

      Well, the Niners won, but in a weird twist of fate the tale of 1957 was reversed. Pretty much the same kind of script, though, where a 24-7 lead was coughed up by turnovers, drops and bad luck. The Kitties will be back, though, probably next year.

      As for Purdy and Shanahan, if the last two weeks doesn’t end the trope that the Niners can’t win by coming from behind, I don’t know what would.

      Next up, KC for whom the Niners have unfinished business to attend to. However, they are a team that has the elements that SF doesn’t do particularly well against, with a mobile QB known for comebacks, a decent running game and a decent D. Let’s see the injury reports before placing bets.

  13. punaise says:

    Jeebus, what a shitshow in Santa Clara. Niners getting boat-raced, no answers. Shanahan left at the altar again.

    Congrats to Detroit – no way the Niners come back in the second half. I turned the game off.

    • phred says:

      I think it’s safe to turn back on punaise ; ) Not to get your hopes up, the Lions still lead, but the 2nd half is unlike the 1st so far, and this Packer fan is having flashbacks to last week ; )

      • punaise says:

        Thanks, phred, but I don’t want to jinx a potential comeback. Plus we have dinner guests arriving, none of whom give a hoot about American football (bunch of Celts – Irish, Scottish, Breton).

  14. Peterr says:

    At the beginning of the season, The Kid announced that he was tired of the Chefs and their inevitablitity (according to the local media) and so would be rooting for teh Kittehs.

    And Rayne, yiou are underestimating the local media. The KC Star has more reporters on the Chefs Beat than they do state and local politics, which is a damn shame these days. For that matter, they have more stories covering Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce than they do local politics.

  15. phred says:

    My heart goes out to the Motor City and their fans. But congrats to the Niners and their fans : )

    Looks like there’s gonna be a lot of red at the Super Bowl this year…

  16. Benji-am-Groot says:

    Well, that loss sucked but it was one hell of a good game.

    Congrats to the Niners, and hopes for continued Lions success.

    What would George Plimpton do?

  17. Rayne says:

    You know how I know the Lions lost though I’m not watching the game?

    No gunfire and fireworks going off right now. Otherwise it would sound like New Year’s.

    That Aiyuk catch off Vildor’s face mask sucked the air out of the 4th. Freak hand of gods’ action.

      • Rayne says:

        That last quarter…that’s so Detroit Lions. This season has been unlike their last couple decades right up to the last quarter.

        • Rugger_9 says:

          Well, it wouldn’t be a Lions playoff loss without some weirdness. I will say this, however: Dan Campbell will have this team back next year, division winner schedule or not. They’ll also get the Niners, who might look very different next year especially if Trent Williams retires.

          I would say that every young team needs their reminder about how hard it is to finish, but Detroit paid those dues long ago.

    • vigetnovus says:

      Freaking ridiculous. I wonder what the non-penalty yellow flag was for? Defensive pass interference? That would’ve been absolute BS, if anything I think there was offensive pass interference on that play. And they should’ve walked it back because of it.

      • Rugger_9 says:

        Nope on both counts. It was whether there was some adventures surrounding the face mask IIRC. As for penalties, the refs were consistent and that’s really all that can be expected. Both sides got away with stuff and FWIW not on that particular play.

    • Ginevra diBenci says:

      That play nailed it my heart. It reminded me of Lamar Jackson catching his own pass in the Ravens game–freak plays make it so you can’t miss a second of these games.

      That final onside kick could’ve worked, too. Against all odds, but Lions might’ve recovered it. They just seemed defeated by then.

  18. Alan Charbonneau says:

    Too bad ‘bout dem Lions. But a great season.
    Last year the Buccaneers got into the playoffs with a losing record and Detroit had a good record but missed the playoffs. I wish there was a rule to keep losing teams out of the playoffs even if they win their division. They should give the team with the best record who did not make the playoffs, their spot. Last year that would’ve been the Lions.

    • Rugger_9 says:

      I agree with that idea. Division titles would be celebrated with banners and all, but the top seven teams would advance to the playoffs by record and the usual tiebreakers. Since all teams play 12 conference games there is some equity with the note that the division lucky enough to get the ‘weaklings’ would have a built-in advantage.

      • Epicurus says:

        Then why have divisions or conferences for that matter? Why not just have the top fourteen teams for the playoffs if it is a true meritocracy people want?

        • Epicurus says:

          I don’t think you and NFL owners are aligned. The current system gets the owners a home playoff game if they win the division with a losing record. That’s a fair amount of money. Per USA today the average ticket price in 2023 was $377. For a 60,000 seat stadium that is $22,620,000 for gate receipts. They get 60% (I think) after 21.6% is subtracted for game day expenses – visiting team gets 40%, which is about $10,640,000 for the home team, $7,094,000 for the losers. Unsure how parking, concessions, etc, are shared if at all. If they win and play the following week in a same sized stadium,they pick up another $7,094,000, win or lose. I don’t think any of these owners is going to pass up a chance at making at least $10,640,000 or more even if they have a losing record.

        • Epicurus says:

          I am wrong. There is a pooling arrangement for all 32 teams from the playoffs. Participants get $1 or 2 MM for expenses. So your point may be valid.

  19. Rugger_9 says:

    An attorney named Brian Manookian posted on X that because Alina Habba failed to challenge any of the exhibits among other rookie mistakes, she foreclosed on any opportunity to appeal by not establishing any appeal points at all. Those of the legal persuasion with access to the transcripts, could you please confirm this is indeed the case?

    It’s important because the true power of Defendant-1 rests upon his ability to buy help or buy off his adversaries. Between the $83.3 million and the prospects of the state of NY upping the ante 4-5x plus taking away the ability to cover the fines, I have to wonder how long until the money well runs dry. If it’s after the GOP convention (assuming they hold one, remember how the 2020 platform was literally whatever Defendant-1 wanted) that would be completely terrific, leading to a D wave to restore democracy. One can dream.

    • earlofhuntingdon says:

      Manookian isn’t the only commentator to suggest that Habba failed to preserve issues for appeal. It seems likely; she displayed little knowledge of how to conduct herself or a trial, and probably knows less about appellate practice. If Trump can find the cash, she can still file an appeal, but it’s success seems improbable.

      Separately, the press likes to conflate the damages from the two civil suits Trump lost to Carroll. I suppose because it likes bigger numbers, but they are independent claims. Trump has apparently already posted a cash bond of $5m to appeal the first suit. Finding the cash to appeal his second loss will be harder.

      What that means is that Carroll is assured of collecting what Trump owes her on the first suit. She’s 80. She can live nicely on that for the foreseeable future. She could then afford and is probably eager to make Trump pay the full amount he will owe under the second suit.

      • xyxyxyxy says:

        If he was going to claim he didn’t have the money to pay Carroll,$48 million suddenly turned up, “But buried in the sixth footnote of the 12-page letter is what the Daily Beast indicated is a clue that Trump may have evaded taxes on $48 million in income, with Jones writing that the massive sum — which Trump has claimed for years that he owes as a debt to one of his companies — never existed.

        • earlofhuntingdon says:

          As you know, debt forgiveness carries a tax cost, but it’s not cash. So $48m did not just suddenly turn up. Besides, it appears to date back to 2008.

        • xyxyxyxy says:

          It is not cash, but it was on his financials which he would present as “evidence” as to his financial net worth if that ever came up in fight over his ability to pay.

        • earlofhuntingdon says:

          If he actually booked it, it was as a loan, which would reduce his net worth. If it were rolled up properly on a consolidated financial statement, that should make it a wash, since he appears to have wholly-owned the creditor. But who knows? Trump only knows GAAP as a store that doesn’t sell clothes that fit him.

          A bigger problem is that transactions of this magnitude are not credible when not documented. Nor are loans that do not accrue interest, because neither are arm’s length transactions, making them big red flags. Jones pointed to several of them.

          That should bolster any argument Engoron might need to establish that Trump’s f/s are and have been wholly unreliable, and are one reason Trump’s NY businesses should be dissolved.

        • xyxyxyxy says:

          Remember what Trump said about his compiled (no outside accountants’ opinion provided) financial statements in trial before Judge Engoron, “lenders to me, beware”?
          An audit is done to make sure that internal controls are sufficient to prevent “material” fraud, etc. and do not assure that there is no fraud, etc.
          Well, here’s commentary on audited (a high level of accountants’ opinion, but no assurance as to material fraud, etc.) financial statements:
          A recent court case involving BDO USA’s audit of AmTrust Financial Services questioned the value of external audits. In the case, as columnist Blake Oliver writes, the appeals court found that the audit opinion was so general that a reasonable investor couldn’t be expected to rely on it. It’s true that the audit has long been simply a kind of pass/fail test, but the court’s decision casts doubt on how material the auditor’s opinion should be when it comes to safeguarding investors from fraud. Much of the boilerplate language in typical audit opinions seems to be a way of avoiding legal liability. In this case the court indeed found that the investors’ “claim that these statements were knowingly and verifiably false when made does not cure their generality, which is what prevents them from rising to the level of materiality required to form the basis for assessing a potential investment.” However, as a general matter, this seems to negate the value of the audit as a way of uncovering fraud and other financial chicanery. Although the ruling was limited to this one case and won’t necessarily set a precedent, it does present a troubling example of how audits are perceived by a federal appeals court and perhaps the wider public.
          The Public Company Accounting Oversight Board (PCAOB) has been trying to make sure that auditors get tougher and don’t merely do a superficial job in examining their clients’ financial statements….
          Accounting Today

          I don’t know what all this means, but here it is.

        • earlofhuntingdon says:

          I don’t know what that means either; I can’t even tell who wrote it.

          But remember when Judge Engoron said that none of Trump’s attempts to disclaim liability for his f/s worked, when he was disclosing information uniquely within the discloser’s control. All the disclaimers accomplished was to make clear the blame shifted from his accountants to Donald Trump.

        • xyxyxyxy says:

          True, I just felt that even in audited financials it’s still “buyer beware”.
          Article: https://view.newsletters.arizent.com/messages/1706547613498721c67c71366/raw

          [Moderator’s note: Put some effort into cleaning up URLs you share in comments so that EW community members’ privacy isn’t violated. All of this:

          ?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=V2_ACT_Audit%26Accounting_20210503%2B%27-%27%2B01292024&bt_ee=DPaUXvsDcEjRPbAE0R9SQPDbxY5Cs%2BBuSQ1D8A7wUPgs%2BQbCr71BIIhAKq9Zw6hb&bt_ts=1706547613500

          is tracking bullshit which tells the accounting company that YOU shared their NEWSLETTER which was part of an advertising CAMPAIGN from May 3, 2021 sent to YOU by EMAIL, and likely a bunch more about your device, your browser, and the users which followed the link are then linked to YOU personally through this site. Cut it off and check the link in your own browser before sharing it. /~Rayne]

        • earlofhuntingdon says:

          The problems with url tracking info, properly marking quotations, and keeping them within fair use guidelines are mentioned here almost weekly, which might explain my curt tone.

        • earlofhuntingdon says:

          You know that for most urls, the part from the question mark to the end is tracking information and should be deleted? That was also a long verbatim quote, not set off by quotation marks or html commands.

        • Rayne says:

          Thanks, EoH. Ugh. I hope nobody clicked on that link before I got to it because there’s stuff in that URL I can’t explain. May just be info about the server or service but it’s absolutely unnecessary to community members here.

        • Matt Foley says:

          Earlofhuntingdon,
          Thanks for that info on tracking URL; I didn’t know that!
          I just learned that Firefox has a Strict privacy setting to disable tracking URLs.

        • RitaRita says:

          Those who rely on audits should assess the capabilities of the firm rendering the audit and read the audit, including all of the fine print and footnotes. Often there will be a section on scope and methodology.

        • xyxyxyxy says:

          As far as assessing the capabilities of the auditing firm, I believe the Enron auditors were probably the most highly respected CPA firms and gave Enron a clean audit report and Enron still went down.
          I know originally oversight agencies said it was the auditors’ fault and the Big 5 firm folded, except for it’s consulting business. I think eventually the firm was cleared, but I’m not sure and it was too late at that point.

        • xyxyxyxy says:

          When you say “Trump”, readers should understand, he’s not preparing any of these statements.
          He or his higher up financial people are telling subordinates, directly or indirectly, what they want to see, or not see, on those statements.
          Or the financial higher ups and/or subordinates may be doing it on their own to, maybe or not, like let’s say screw him.
          He, like most of us, wouldn’t know what we’re looking at.

        • earlofhuntingdon says:

          LOL.

          You described a ceo telling his subordinates what f/s results he wants to see, not to describe what’s there. Sounds like per se fraud to me.

        • xyxyxyxy says:

          As far as documenting, he never did any in the hope that crimes could not be pinned on him.
          I believe one of the reasons he’s in trouble in J6 crimes is because of him breaking down and documenting on J6 and one of the biggest pieces of evidence in the documents theft is that Costello was documenting.

      • Rugger_9 says:

        It really seems to me that Habba was trying to appeal the first trial for liability during this trial. However, that ship might have sailed already due to failures to file Notices of Appeal and appropriate grounds for doing so. I don’t know how long a civil defendant has in federal court to file appeals.

        One also wonders why Kise didn’t fill in the gaps, but apparently his job was to look smug at the table and argue with Judge Kaplan.

        Since Habba apparently never objected to the exhibits, then the valuations contained within them could be untouchable in an appeal and the jury’s verdict would stand. As it is, Roberta Kaplan has already said she’s able to start the collection process now.

        • Rugger_9 says:

          Kise did do some objecting along the way, but maybe I’m thinking of the NYS prosecution. Either way, I would have expected some cross-training.

  20. emptywheel says:

    The upside of a devastating loss in an exciting season is that now I can go full KC Swfit to drive the fascists crazy.

    The degree to which they’re going to melt down over her in the next two weeks may swing the election.

    • Benji-am-Groot says:

      Interesting how the trivial shit lands on them. But enough to throw them off balance enough to swing an election? Stranger things have happened.

      New co-worker on site, Barbara – safety professional – and coincidently I recently watched the Barbie movie (gift to the Missus). And so I began referring to one of the MAGAts here as ‘Ken’ and the doofus has not yet put it together other than to state ‘that’s not my name’.

      Looking forward to seeing the two of them together for the full Barbie and Ken effect – apologies in advance to Barb (her preference) but given what little bit I know of her odds are she will be rocking with silent laughter when it happens.

      And the MAGAt may finally get it. Priceless.

    • harpie says:

      Yes! This is what this Michigan-born fan will be doing too.

      Marcy, other than Xitter, where can I read your comments on social media? I can no longer access Xitter or Nitter, and am starting to have withdrawal symptoms. [lol]
      I really don’t want to be a member there, but I may just have to so I can at least try to keep up with everything.

    • Badger Robert says:

      The impact of Ms. Swift is hard to estimate. But the range of possibilities includes greater than the Beatles in the aftermath of the assassination of JFK. The MAGA are correct in their fears.
      She could make voting fun.
      And a piece of construction paper with a picture of a crow on it should be offered to Mr. Carlson in the event the Chiefs win.

    • CaboDano says:

      I’ve been pasting the AI photo of Tay wearing the “Nope” tee shirt with Trump’s hair and tie wherever I can. It’s triggering them mightily.

  21. Badger Robert says:

    Habba was incompetent. That violates Rule 1.1 of the model ethical code.
    There was attorney and defendant misconduct. Experienced federal practitioners should know whether there will be financial sanctions because of that misconduct.
    If Trump appeals the $83M that should help the asset structure of the Kaplan/Crawley law firm. They will collect their share at some point.
    There is no statute of limitations on unreported taxable income. The IRS will be interested. Trump will have to produce some type of loan documents. That will cause a battle of experts on authenticity and on accounting audits.

    • Ginevra diBenci says:

      Could Trump mount an ineffective/incompetent defense appeal? I’ve been wondering if he chose Habba, with her utter lack of experience in the arena, for exactly this reason.

      • earlofhuntingdon says:

        Only applies in criminal cases. In civil cases, the client is stuck with his choice and its consequences. If the lawyer committed malpractice, he might have a claim against her. But that would have no effect on the trial or appeal.

        • P-villain says:

          Trump v. Habba? Now that’s a ticket I might pay for.

          [Moderator’s note: You’re still having a problem with using the same punctuation mark in your username each time. You have accrued 10 comments with one and 238 comments with the other; the future comment system will reject the former.

          (10) as P’villain – single quote [& #039;] in HTML
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          Consider using a dash instead of either if this is too difficult. Please get this straightened out or plan to lose comments to moderation. / ~Rayne]

  22. Allagashed says:

    Well, that was interesting. I don’t think I’ve ever actually watched two entire football games all the way through, let alone on the same day. I grew up in a hockey culture; Boston and Montreal equates to Michigan and Ohio State apparently. Well, on to the next thrilling winter sports spectacular. No, not the Super Bowl. I speak of course of Truck Day in Boston! February 5th! I know, Red Sox ownership are doing their best Nero imitation while Boston burns, but some of us will still enjoy everything about spring training. It might be the best part of our season. Heartfelt condolences to all the Lions fans this morning. I was hoping…

  23. bloopie2 says:

    Not sure if this has been discussed yet, regarding the Barbara Jones oversight work. I think it’s different from the “loan”. Apparently, Jones reported Friday that she wasn’t informed of cash transfers totaling more than $40 million from the organization’s trust that were sent directly to Trump, even though each transfer was more than $5 million. She said she only discovered the transactions after her team conducted a review of the trust account’s bank statements.

  24. harpie says:

    Continuing the discussion of TRUMP FRAUD from above here:

    https://nitter.cz/SollenbergerRC/status/1751999498946060745
    Jan 29, 2024 · 4:03 PM UTC

    NEW: Trump’s lawyers tried to push back on the claim that a $48 million personal debt didn’t exist, but just made it weirder. They told the court the loan was real, but didn’t say it was a loan to *Trump.* They said it was to another LLC. [THREAD] [link]

      • earlofhuntingdon says:

        A comment on one in that thread. Sollenberger is arguing with a commentator about whether the alleged $48 million was a loan to Trump – what Trump’s lawyers told Sollenberger, which matched his tax filings – or to a Trump entity. The commenter said that if that entity was an LLC wholly-owned by Trump, it made no difference. Not true.

        If the LLC was wholly-owned by Trump, it might be disregarded, but only for tax purposes. That means only the tax costs or benefits from its profits and losses would pass through to Trump. The LLC as a legal entity would exist for all other purposes, including having the authority to transact business, with limited liability for its owner(s). So, if it was the debtor on that $48m loan, that’s not the same thing as Trump being the debtor.

        • Rayne says:

          Depends on what the LLC was established to do. If the LLC wasn’t doing anything except functioning as a loaner/debtor for the purposes of creating a debt to offset income, it’s not a legitimate business entity.

        • earlofhuntingdon says:

          Good point. Trump is renowned for abusing the legal entities he creates. Just since (and probably because of) Jones’s appointment as monitor, for example, and as she points out in her letter, the Trump Org has shut down about 110 of its 530 or so entities.

          My point was that the LLC’s existence and capacity to do business are not affected by the fact that it may be a pass-through entity for tax purposes. It is not a pass-through for commercial purposes, including acting as a debtor or creditor on a loan. That would defeat its purpose of providing limited legal liability for its owner/operators. (I’ve had this argument with a few tax specialists before.)

        • RitaRita says:

          Related entity transactions would normally be netted out for an accurate financial picture of the Trump Organization.

          I think this was one of NY AG’s issues.

        • earlofhuntingdon says:

          Yes. That also came up in a comment upthread at 3.09pm.

          I bet there are a few int’l transfer pricing problems, too, since Trump seems to have made a career out of ignoring arm’s length pricing for related-party transactions. And then there’s Rayne’s bete noire: Trump’s domestic and offshore golf courses.

    • xyxyxyxy says:

      Reid has always been a bad time manager.
      So if it comes down to the last two minutes of the game, let’s see if his history continues.

  25. Charles Wolf says:

    I always believed football was too stupid to be political.
    Silly me. Whooda thunk even the disgraced MAGAts would come up with this fixed game nonsense.

  26. MsJennyMD says:

    FYI: PBS – Frontline: Democracy on Trial, Tuesday, January 30th
    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/democracy-on-trial/
    FRONTLINE investigates the roots of the criminal cases against former President Trump stemming from his 2020 election loss. With the presidential race for 2024 underway, veteran political filmmaker Michael Kirk and his team examine the House Jan. 6 committee’s evidence, the historic charges against Trump and the threat to democracy. This 2.5-hour documentary premieres on PBS Tues., Jan. 30, at a special time, 9/8c (check local listings).

    “Democracy on Trial” The Case Against Trump for His Role in the 2020 Election | Amanpour and Company
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir7SJsWkdhE
    Michael Kirk is the filmmaker behind a new Frontline documentary, “Democracy on Trial.” It charts special counsel Jack Smith’s indictment against former President Donald Trump, which alleges federal election interference in 2020. Kirk tells Hari Sreenivasan why he chose to release the film now.

  27. bmaz says:

    Hi there. I invented “Trash Talk”. Why not go back to your own “Three Things” persona instead of stealing my work product? This is not proper Trash Talk.

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