How and Why to Charge Trump First
In the wake of the news of Trump’s target letter in the January 6 investigation, journalists have found no Trump associate willing to admit, on the record, to having received a target letter themselves, leading to questions about whether Jack Smith might charge Trump and only later add co-conspirators.
In this thread, I suggested there might be (unusual) merit to charging Trump — the head of the conspiracy — first, then add in everyone else. A bunch of people asked what I meant — so this post attempts to explain my thinking.
It builds on this post, written before the first January 6 Committee hearings. That post relied on three judge’s opinions conceiving Trump’s role in the January 6 attack:
- Amit Mehta’s opinion sustaining the lawsuits against Trump for January 6
- David Carter’s opinion finding crime-fraud exception for some John Eastman’s email
- Reggie Walton’s opinion that proving Trump’s effect on the rioters must stem from the Trump communications the rioters actually knew of, including Trump’s December 19 tweet announcing the event and (for those who watched) his Ellipse speech; the Proud Boys are a special case because of Trump’s September 29 debate comment and because almost all Proud Boys skipped Trump’s speech
I used those opinions to lay out what the judges — two who were familiar with January 6, one who relied on J6C’s representations about it — viewed as evidence supporting that Trump committed a crime. Once you understand that the bodies at the Capitol were a key way Trump obstructed the vote certification (something included in Judge Carter’s opinion but often overlooked), then the import of Trump’s impact on rioters becomes more clear. It narrows the evidence needed to prove Trump’s obstruction beyond what most people understand — and very nearly maps the dozens of successful obstruction prosecutions DOJ already obtained, which I first started mapping out in August 2021.
This table updates my earlier one (and remains mostly a talking document — there’s a lot missing). It adopts the two most likely standards for “corrupt purpose” that the DC Circuit might adopt in the Thomas Robertson appeal. And it includes a number of details — largely focused on Mike Pence — on which both J6C and the investigation have focused for over a year.
My argument is that, to prosecute Trump, you need to obtain proof of the stuff highlighted in yellow, largely focused on his effect on Pence and on the mob. To prosecute Trump’s lackeys, you need to collect a lot more information and, likely, will need to flip some people. The rest of the table shows what it would take to include the others.
Jack Smith obviously thinks he has the evidence to charge Trump (though the circus involving Will Russall yesterday could have created a few hurdles).
With the obstruction charge — assuming the reports of a “witness tampering” charge really refer to 18 USC 1512(c)(2) — Smith has obviously already secured almost all the Pence-related people whose testimony really matters, including Pence himself. Two key exceptions are Rudy Giuliani and John Eastman. But the testimony of the former was locked in in a two-day proffer a few weeks ago and the testimony of the latter was locked in in sworn testimony in Eastman’s disbarment trial in the same time period.
The one other exception I can think of is Ivanka.
With regards to the mob, Smith can rely on the statements of offense of hundreds of convicted defendants, including people who had a key role in the attack, including the Proud Boys and even some others who played a key role in specific breaches.
That’s my understanding of how you could charge Trump (at least with obstruction) before charging a bunch of his lackeys: the evidence requires less proof of the conspiring on comms that may still be in filter reviews.
Why is another matter.
First, if you’re going to charge Trump you need to do so as soon as possible, because of the election. If you charge Trump alone (though it’s not clear that’s really happening), you might be able to get to trial before August 2024.
Another reason to charge Trump is that it undercuts his ability to buy silence from other witnesses. If people are no longer protecting Trump, they may be less willing to add to their own legal jeopardy by lying.
It’s possible, too, that some of the charges would be prophylactic. If Smith were charging Trump as well for attempting to tamper with Cassidy Hutchinson’s testimony to J6C — something about which we know she gave testimony last September — it might give Trump somewhat more caution before tampering with the testimony of others.
If Smith charged Trump with attempting to discount Black and Latino voters, as opposed to just all Biden voters, it might raise the stakes on Trump’s efforts to disenfranchise minority voters in 2024.
In both cases, such charges might give prosecutors cause to include specific prohibitions in release conditions (though Trump will undoubtedly still be released).
It’s still not clear what conduct Smith would charge as a conspiracy (18 USC 371). It could be attempting to install Jeffrey Clark to aid his attempts to discredit the election (privilege reviews for which started in May 2022). It could be the fake electors plot (though I’m not convinced that Smith has locked in the testimony of all relevant witnesses yet). But here, too, charging Trump with conspiracy while identifying as-yet uncharged co-conspirators might lead them to hesitate before helping Trump.
I think, in general, anxious commentators underestimate the degree to which Smith is going to want to lock in each and every witness before charging a certain part of this larger conspiracy. J6C’s delay in releasing transcripts actually contributed to the difficulty, and probably added several months of delay in January and February. But if Smith were to charge obstruction on a narrowly targeted Pence-and-the-mob charge, then it would limit the necessary evidence to testimony and evidence DOJ already spent years collecting.
Update: Very belatedly fixed Will Russell’s last name.
“Proof Trump claimed vote was fraudulent”
Isn’t it important, including for corrupt intent, to prove Trump KNEW his claims about this were false? Evidence about the plan to declare victory anyway is helpful here, but aren’t the statements quoted by Cassidy Hutchinson in her testimony, if well corroborated, the real game changer?
“I don’t want people to know we lost, Mark. This is embarrassing. Figure it out.”
“I’ve had a few conversation with the President where he acknowldged he’s lost. He hasn’t acknowledged that he wants to concede, but he acknowledges that he lost the election.”
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-admitted-embarrassing-lost-according-035350508.html
Ratcliffe reportedly testified to the grand jury in April. Meadows and Farrah Griffin in June.
No. That’s shite analysis from TV lawyers that I debunked here.
https://www.emptywheel.net/2023/07/14/maggie-and-mike-back-together-again-this-time-on-or-with-corrupt-purpose/
It has already been litigated dozens of times for Jan6 defendants.
Thank you! It’s an excellent and fair point, but isn’t there a key distinction that Trump’s lawyers could exploit?
“[Hostetter] still must have known it was unlawful to vindicate that perceived injustice by engaging in mob violence to obstruct Congress.”
Of course Trump inspired Hostetter, but from Trump’s publicly known messages, I think he can accurately state that he didn’t specifically tell anyone to commit “violence” such as bringing weapons and pushing back law enforcement officers to force their way inside the building. Couldn’t his lawyers persuade jurors that there’s at least reasonable doubt that it wasn’t his intent for his supporters to cross those particular lines, even if he should have known better?
But then if prosecutors introduce evidence of his private comments, re: magnetometers, and knowledge that he lost — and that he nevertheless encouraged not only the riots but also the fake electors scheme anyway — doesn’t that make corrupt intent relatively easy to establish beyond all reasonable doubt?
It’s not whether he told people to commit violence. It’s whether he took efforts to obstruct the vote certification. Everything he did, and didn’t do, to ensure that it had to be evacuated would be part of his actions.
Trump TOLD the crowd on J6 that if they wanted to have a country they needed to “fight, fight, fight.” When he said that he threw air punches. He also said around the 6:40 mark of the speech that “We just can’t let that happen.” He was talking about ALLOWING Biden to take office. Now, of course, Trump defenders will claim “fight, fight, fight” was a metaphor for chanting slogans and singing protest songs, as if a jury won’t have a SMIDGEN of common sense. I am amazed that lawyers for some reason seem to believe Trump actually SAYING that the entire goal of “Stop the Steal” was to prevent Biden from taking office is somehow NO BIGGIE.
Lol, when you get in front of a jury, things get far more complicated than that.
If there was no violence (pushing law enforcement to forcibly enter the Capitol) then evacuation would not have been necessary, right?
I think he’s guilty, but I worry his lawyers can persuade there’s reasonable doubt as to whether he intended for the mob to do more than be loud and obnoxious to persuade his VP to change his mind.
Do prosecutors really have to prove he intended an evacuation? Is it not enough to prove obstruction to prove that everything he planned — the protests, the fake electors, his orders to his VP — was part of a scam to manipulate people to achieve a result he knew would be fraudulent?
Wait for the indictment and, subsequently, jury instructions, before fretting over this.
What do you think drove this mob, then? Pence’s December 2020 ski trip?
No. They didn’t even prove that with the Proud Boys, who proximately caused the evacuation.
Video of ballot boxes returning to the capitol after their evacuation by Senate aides on January 6:
https://www.nbcnews.com/video/electoral-college-vote-boxes-returned-to-capitol-98992709626
These boxes should never have had to leave the capitol because of the riot.
He knew what he was doing was wrong, illegal. That’s sufficient. It doesn’t matter whether he thought his “belief” would be legally sufficient to excuse him from liability for that illegal conduct. Whether he believed his own hype is irrelevant. His record shows that he “believes” any statement that furthers his interest of the moment.
Trump went on the radio and said: “If you fuck around with us, if you do something bad to us, we are going to do things to you that have never been done before.”
Is it really a sure thing that he can say stuff like this and still get bail after his next arrest? IMHO someone with his public reach who does stochastic terrorism incitement like this should be confined until trial.
Context matters. “According to Politico, this out-of-context sound bite originally came from remarks Trump had made about Iran during an October 2020 interview with conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh.”
https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/07/20/trump-if-you-fuck-around-with-us/
Thanks for clarifying when he said it. But someone just tweeted it on TruthSocial, and Trump retweeted (retruthed) it, which makes it current.
Someone (Ben Wittes? Steve Vladeck? I forget) recently characterized posts on Truth Social as “bleating,” which seems apropos.
No, he will never be detained pre-trial.
I am willing to given him one last chance until after indictment, arraignment, and rules of the road are established for his release.
You know Trump cannot keep his mouth shut.
I’m not sure who Harrison is, linked to the Politico article. Not that it’s crucial to your well-taken points here. It’s a complicated ball of yarn for Smith to unravel, but the election provides time pressures.
Any comment about trump hiring Lauro in the Florida case?
The Harrison thing is about attorney Woodward being expected in two places at once, although one was apparently due to a GJ over-running its schedule.
Is it possible he is being intentionally over-committed by team Trump so that they can engineer more delays on the grounds of all his clients’ rights to adequate counsel? Are there rules to prevent that sort of thing?
Scheduled events overrun all the time. Like every other attorney, Woodward’s job is to manage his schedule, here, by communicating to McFadden that he would be late. He could have called his clerk or had his office do it. Or he could have walked down the hall to do it. It’s not the job of a prosecutor presenting to a grand jury to adjust their presentation because counsel for a witness has overbooked his time.
Instead of doing his job, Woodward theatrically gave McFadden an exculpatory sob story. McFadden didn’t withhold judgment, he chose to believe Woodward without hearing from the other side and chose to make this a petulant circus.
In the sentence under the chart, I think it’s a misnomer. I think Marcy meant to say Will Russell.
There is a William B. (aka Beau) Harrison who we became familiar with when Cassidy Hutchinson testified to the J6C. He also is an aide to Trump who moved to Florida. He assisted in moving boxes from the WH. I think he knew something about Trump’s lunge in the car.
It’s hard keeping all these people and their related activities in our heads!
Certainly the link Marcy provides to a Politico article, guessed at former Trump aide , William Russell.
“It’s unclear which of Woodward’s clients was appearing before the grand jury, though several reports have indicated that William Russell, a former Trump White House aide and a Woodward client, was expected to appear Thursday.”
“ If Smith charged Trump with attempting to discount Black and Latino voters, as opposed to just all Biden voters, it might raise the stakes on Trump’s efforts to disenfranchise minority voters in 2024.”
Sure, but it’s not as if the GOP isn’t all in with that project with or without Trump. If Trump listens to his lawyers- a big if – he might keep his mouth shut, but given demographics and the party’s racist rhetoric, they don’t really have a choice if they want to win. Alabama appears to be disregarding the Supreme Court’s ruling that their congressional maps must contain an additional majority minority district, as just one example.
With regard to possible conspiracy charges, if Trump is charged alone, with un-indicted co-conspirators, does that mean his trial is separated from co-conspirators permanently? Is that up to prosecutors, or is it in the nature of conspiracy charges?
Speaking of Eastman, what is the status of his case, chances his license survives, etc.? Any info on the timetable would also be appreciated.
The first two weeks of the trial ended on Friday, June 30th. The trial will resume the week of August 22-25 & should conclude in the week of September 12-15. (Link broken with stars:)
https://tennesseestar.com/***the-upper-midwest/michigan/second-week-of-disbarment-trial-of-trump-attorney-john-eastman-wraps-up/rachel-alexander/2023/07/01/
OT: I see Judge Cannon has set the documents case trial date for May 24th. Which seems, to use a term of art stolen from this site, “normal.” She’s certainly giving the defense every chance to make a case, and before a potentially sympathetic jury, but she isn’t just doing their bidding.
Question: Since the primary season will mostly be over by then (with Georgia voting the next day in a likely coincidence), what might the GOP do if they have a clear winner who gets convicted of federal crimes before the convention? Or, more likely, after?
The GOP convention is July 15-18. IIRC, Smith asserted in an earlier filing that he expects the actual trial to take about three weeks. Even allowing for a substantial margin of error, that seems like it should be enough time for the jury to hand down a verdict before the convention starts (if the trial date isn’t further delayed, of course).
A couple of further thoughts on this point:
-Examination of the primary calendar (I used this one: http:// www. frontloadinghq. com/p/the-2024.html) shows that all but four states (MT, NM, NJ, SD) and DC will have held their primaries before that date, and the remaining ones – all scheduled for June 4 – are technically out of compliance with RNC rules, which this cycle specify that primaries must be held at least 45 days before the convention. Under those circumstances, it will be difficult for Trump’s team to argue that this schedule interferes with his campaigning.
-This order was handed down less than 72hr after Tuesday’s pre-trial conference. Another mark in the “things proceeding as normal” column, I’d venture.
I can’t imagine it makes much difference to them. A federal conviction doesn’t make him ineligible to run or get elected, and a base that enthusiastically nominated him while he was under indictment would be enthused, not deterred, by further levels of persecution. I could see party apparatus wanting to drop him after conviction if he somehow barely limps into the nomination, but not if (as I expect) he’s the runaway favorite.
Given that Cannon will later decide whether or not jury selection is even possible due to “the likelihood of insurmountable prejudice in jury selection stemming from publicity about the 2024 Presidential Election,” I don’t actually expect this particular trial to occur before the election. Trump is certain to rile up his followers—especially after this little tip from Cannon—to such an extent that she will appear justified in deciding that a fair trial is impossible until after the election.
I could be wrong, of course. My ability to accurately predict the future is unimpressive. ;)
And of course, this is not the only trial Trump is facing.
Question for bmaz: can a criminal defendant request a bench trial?
Yes, but the prosecution must consent.
So. in Federal criminal prosecutions, the prosecution can force a defendant to endure a jury trial against the defendant’s own best judgement? Huh. Is that true in most US states’ criminal courts as well?
Both parties, prosecution and defense, and the court, must consent, so yes. Can only speak as to AZ and CA, but it is the same in those states.
Thanks.
This seems to be one of those rights that an individual cannot waive ipse dixit. Which other rights, guaranteed in the US Constitution to individuals, cannot be waived without concurrence of the Federal government is certainly an interesting area of Constitutional law.
Thank you for this post EW. The chart is extremely helpful in mapping your explanation for “why” charging Trump first makes sense.
OT but related: I’ve been trying to get clarification on the 4 day timing Trump was given for potential indictment. I’m finding both 4 days from target letter date as well as 4 GJ meeting dates as answers from trusted sources. Unfortunately, I have not been able to nail down which is correct. I know there was some discussion here in earlier posts this week, but I may have missed the answer!
The four days in Trump’s target letter, even according to him IIRR, were for an appearance before the grand jury only. It was not “show up or be indicted.” He did get indicted pretty quickly after the similar date in his classified documents target letter, though, which is why so many folks are speculating that a January 6 indictment is coming fast.
Yes, I understood the letter was an appearance letter/target letter but did not clarify that using the word “indictment” which muddied my question.
The timing of 4 days is still unclear – 4 calendar days or 4 GJ meeting days?
not sure if you were asking a technical question for how to count days, but in case you were:
-for federal criminal trials
https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_45
-for federal civil trials
https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/rule_6
-if local rules do not specify otherwise
for Ft. Pierce, in So. District of Fla
https://www.flsd.uscourts.gov/local-rules-and-procedures
Hope this helps!
A Marcy chart! Yay!
Not just a Marcy chart, posaune–a Marcy chart highlighted in Yellow, fashion’s “It” color! So trendy! So eye-grabbing! So unflattering to persons of virtually any human skin tone!
Which is why this is exactly where it belongs–in a chart by EW, where it can’t make anyone look like they might be suffering from food poisoning.
Ha ha, great comment, Ginerva!
Regarding the goal of limiting Trump’s ability to buy/enforce silence among co-conspirator witnesses: it can work both ways. Someone (forget who) observed that the pending Michigan charges against fake electors affects their personal calculus in deciding whether and when to flip without gunking up the federal case with many lesser defendants.
I think a lot of people, and I confess myself among them, had grown apprehensive of DOJ’s approach largely because we’d just kind of assumed they would first charge the “layer” below Trump — Rudy Giuliani, Roger Stone, Alex Jones, Ali Alexander, etc. — before charging Trump himself, and time for multiple rounds of trials was growing short. We should have paid greater heed to your observation that it would in fact be easier to charge Trump than the others, since many of his incriminating statements and actions were so direct, blatant, and public.
It seems very likely that others among that cohort have either been charged already or will be soon — it is hard to believe that if Trump’s acts were illegal, theirs weren’t — with this perhaps being an instance where prosecution “rolls down”, using evidence and testimony from the Trump trial to bolster subsequent cases against subordinate co-conspirators.
Finally – a valid reason for trickle-down theories. Grab the honcho and then net in the supporting characters. I hope honcho’s bladder control is working!
Mahalo Marcy for the quick followup on this topic. I think the important thing this helps to clarify is that the narrow focus that leads to these particular charges (in a way that can bypass mid-level conspirators) is that it does not appear to represent any sort of “settling” for a lesser outcome.
Even if there are potentially other charges that could be levied were a more traditional path taken, the charges that do seem to be coming down are substantial and absolutely adequate to serve the interests of justice and democracy.
I am especially interested in how a 241 conviction prevents further office-holding. I am hopeful that this (expected) prosecution and a hopefully successful conviction will lead to further 241 prosecutions, both of as-yet-unindicted co-conspirators and setting precedents that will give DOJ a solid footing for future investigations.
I think the most important reason to charge Trump first is to see if he’ll flip on everyone else.
In TrumpWorld, there is nobody else.
Bulls Eye! Earl!
Regarding Jeffrey Clark: was there a quid pro quo in his attempted appointment, and is that important? Something like “You sign this statement that DOJ has found ‘concerns’ about the integrity of the election, and you get to be AG”? Fortunately, the threatened massive resignations of the DOJ put the kibosh on that.
As a matter of evidence, what type of witness would describe the events of 01/06 as a “riot”? Wouldn’t an expert explain that people get killed in riots, including police officers?
How does attorney Smith make the case overwhelming such that Fox news, Hannity and Ms. Ingraham withdraw media support for Trump? It would help Smith if the media, especially Fox news, started tagging Trump for what he is, a thug and a murderer. Giving Trump followers a path towards deniability might help. Special reports on the end of other cults might be an indirect way to get there.
To my knowledge, there are no such “experts”. You would have to make that out of fact witnesses.
That is logical. The law enforcement witnesses would describe a riot and recite their training and experience in crowd control. It may seem like small points, but every little point has to be covered.
The Fox commentators should be in a position to tell their viewers, the journalists never endorsed the riotous capitol mob, nor did they ever advise the former President to abscond with classified documents. A few choice adjectives would be helpful
Didn’t the election denial conspiracy cost Fox a large amount of money? And maybe cost Tucker Carlson his network job?
Make it easier for the jury to understand the insurection was Trump’s insurection just, from here out, calling the Proud Boys Pawn Boys.