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Enrique Tarrio Gets His Chance to Fit In or Fuck Off

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Enrique Tarrio was finally indicted in the Proud Boy conspiracy. Effectively, this indictment adds Tarrio and Dominic Pezzola to the Leader conspiracy. William Pepe is not included, suggesting maybe he flipped.

Among the new lines in the indictment is one describing Tarrio trying to impose discipline.

On December 27, 2020, TARRIO created another encrypted messaging group to recruit potential members of the MOSD (the “MOSD Prospect Group”). TARRIO stressed that members of the chapter were expected to follow directions of MOSD leadership, which TARRIO and others emphasized by telling members, among other things, to “Fit in [] or fuck off.”

The indictment includes a meeting Tarrio had with Stewart Rhodes on January 5, before leaving DC.

It does not include any reference to his meeting at the White House.

One of the most interesting new additions is the description of Tarrio discussing a plan to occupy a few “crucial buildings” in DC with an unnamed person.

Between December 30 and December 31, 2020, TARRIO communicated multiple times with an individual whose identity is known to the grand jury. On December 30, 2020, this individual sent TARRIO a nine-page document titled, “1776 Returns.” The document set forth a plan to occupy a few “crucial buildings” in Washington, D.C ., on January 6, including House and Senate office buildings around the Capitol, with as “many people as possible” to “show our politicians We the People are in charge.” After sending the document, the individual stated, “The revolution is important than anything.” TARRIO responded, “That’s what every waking moment consists of . . . I’m not playing games.”

I’ll write more in a bit.

72 replies
  1. WilliamOckham says:

    I’m intrigued by the “individual whose identity is known to the grand jury” who sent Tarrio

    …a nine-page document titled, “1776 Returns.” The document set forth a plan to occupy a few “crucial buildings” in Washington, D.C ., on January 6, including House and Senate office buildings around the Capitol, with as “many people as possible” to “show our politicians We the People are in charge.”

      • JVO says:

        The rat-fvcker Stone would never do this himself – at most he would get someone else to do it for him.

      • Molly Pitcher says:

        Why do you say that Michael Flynn is ‘less likely’? I am trying to recall any interaction or comment about the PB or OK by Flynn, but I can’t. I am certainly not well versed in all things Flynn by any means however, so hopefully someone else can chime in with that perspective.

  2. Wajim says:

    “We the People” . . . keep hearing this (in context with J6) sad cliché. Well, I am one of “The People,” and reject everything the “Proud Boys” claim to stand for. Perhaps “We the Fascists” would reflect their views more accurately. Maybe “We the Bigots”? “We the Reactionary Jerks”? The more accurate possibilities are endless

    • Bobby Gladd says:

      What they really intend is “ME the people.”

      “My country, ’tis of ME,
      Sweet land of only ME,
      Of ME I sing…”

      You’re not the boss of ME.

      • LeeNLP says:

        Ironically sung to the tune of “God Save the King”. Which, in the case of the man-who-would-be-king, would be a sad ending.

  3. obsessed says:

    typo in the teaser: “Enrique Tarrio has finally be included in the Proud Boy conspiracy indictment.”

  5. Fran of the North says:

    What MOSD stands for? Apologies if I missed it elsewhere here. Perhaps:

    Mission, Objectives Strategy Document? That is the nearest I can find quickly in a G search.

      • What Constitution? says:

        If the acronym is still up for grabs, I nominate “Ministry of Stupid Dicks”.
        With apologies to John Cleese.

        • TooLoose LeTruck says:

          John Cleese…

          One of my all time idols…

          Have you ever heard him talk about stupidity and the ‘Dunning-Kreuger effect’?

        • earlofhuntingdon says:

          Brilliant comic, Cambridge-trained lawyer, but these days, he’s a salty rightist curmudgeon. If he owned a Torino, he’d be yelling at people to get off his lawn.

        • TooLoose LeTruck says:

          Aaargh…

          I haven’t seen much of John of late…

          So sorry to hear that…

          I adored Python back during the day…

        • blueedredcounty says:

          I’m not sure salty rightist curmudgeon is accurate, after reading this tweet of his.
          https://twitter.com/JohnCleese/status/1330419202499473408

          “I’m afraid I’m not that interested in trans folks

          I just hope they’re happy and that people treat them kindly

          Right now I’m more focussed on threats to democracy in America, the rampant corruption in the UK, the appalling British Press, the revelations about police brutality…”

          I guess by British/European standards this is rightist? Wouldn’t Fox/Murdoch consider this left-wing, verging on Antifa?

          I only read this tweet in isolation, but it was apparently part of a bunch of social media screaming because he didn’t hammer on J.K. Rowling for her comments.

        • Doctor My Eyes says:

          Last I heard of him in real life, he had a place in Santa Barbara, CA, and performed in a fundraiser whose purpose was to blunt one of the many harms caused by W. At that point, he was decidedly not right wing.

        • Leoghann says:

          The salty and curmudgeon are far more consistent than rightist. Cleese is definitely showing his age–sometimes goes on rants that exaggerate his political leanings for that day. In the past 3-4 years, though, he has occasionally said some really awful things. I think he deserves a pre-dementia exemption from public judgment.

  7. DrFunguy says:

    OT
    First conviction in a J6 trial.
    “WASHINGTON (AP) — A Texas man was convicted on Tuesday of storming the U.S. Capitol with a holstered handgun…
    A jury also convicted Guy Wesley Reffitt of obstructing Congress’ joint session to certify the Electoral College vote on Jan. 6, 2021, of interfering with police officers who were guarding the Capitol and of threatening his two teenage children if they reported him to law enforcement after the attack. Jurors deliberated about three hours and convicted him on all counts.”
    https://apnews.com/article/capitol-siege-texas-riots-ded87e709176b8b68921cad2597ff2d7

    • Rugger9 says:

      Now that a jury has shown itself willing to convict Reffitt instead of considering him a ‘patriot’, I would not be surprised to see some of the other holdouts to cut plea deals. It was an article of faith with these guys that they were going to be supported by the ‘real Americans’ of a jury. Now, not so much…

      • LaNita Jones says:

        Can Gohmert still cut a deal although he is not in Congress or the Attorney General? And we still have is own constituent Nichols to go.

      • Rugger9 says:

        3 hours of deliberation seems pretty short. There wasn’t a lot of confusion or negotiation in the jury room, apparently. Nonetheless, Mrs. Reffitt told the other seditionists to hang tough and hang together.

        • Molly Pitcher says:

          I think Thanksgiving and Christmas are going to be a bit awkward at the Reffitt house this year.

        • Rugger9 says:

          The kid will need all the help we can give him to get away from the parents. It was a lot to ask from him.

        • WilliamOckham says:

          He raised a bunch of money through crowd-funding to get away. And after hearing what his mom said today, I don’t begrudge him that at all.

        • Leoghann says:

          Her continuing to support and make excuses for his behavior over that past four years, including to their children, is what’s really irresponsible.

        • What Constitution? says:

          Well, the “hang together” part seems particularly appropriate. But I’ll be satisfied with some serious prison time for the lot of them, so long as their Dear Leader is on the inside too.

        • TooLoose LeTruck says:

          Speaking of the Dear Leader…

          One of my alternative names for TFG made it onto the Late Show last week!

          It got used on air during Colbert’s ‘He Who Shall be Named’ bit during his monologue…

  8. namaera says:

    Assuming headline was meant to be “Enrique Tarrio has finally beEN included in the Proud Boy conspiracy indictment.” ?

  10. Leoghann says:

    Standing on his porch in handcuffs, in just his jockeys, at 3 a.m. must have been delightful.

  11. harpie says:

    I’m just reading the indictment for the first time and want to get some things out here.
    Marcy has mentioned 2 things NOT included are these dates:

    1] 9/29/20 First presidential debate TRUMP to PROUD BOYS: “Stand back and stand by”

    2] 12/12/20
    – 8:47 AM TRUMP tweets: WE HAVE JUST BEGUN TO FIGHT!!!
    – approx 9:00 AM TARRIO “WarTime Tarrio” posts on Parler that he’s at the WHITE HOUSE
    – 9:59 AM TRUMP tweets: Wow! Thousands of people forming in Washington (D.C.) for Stop the Steal. Didn’t know about this, but I’ll be seeing them! #MAGA.
    – Second MILLION MAGA rally. Jones, Flynn [and family], Stone, Alexander and Rhodes are speakers. TRUMP flies over the scene in Marine One.
    – HOFFSTETTER/TAYLOR Huntington Beach Rally
    – PROUD BOY leader TARRIO posts 12/12/ photo of MINUTA and PEZZOLA on Parler, and MINUTA replies, [approximately 12/19/20] 12/31/20 [<new date]

    • harpie says:

      [ARRRG! I shouldn’t have made a last-second edit…last entry should be]

      – 12/12/20 [Evening] OATH KEEPER MINUTA is photographed with PROUD BOY PEZZOLA. [PROUD BOY leader TARRIO posts that pic on Parler, and MINUTA replies on [approximately 12/19/20.] 12/31/20 [<new date]]

    • harpie says:

      A third earlier date I want to mention:

      12/18/20 The “craziest meeting” of the TRUMP presidency, with Powell, Flynn, Byrne, Emily Newman, [and later] Giuliani

      • harpie says:

        On 11/5/20 STONE coordinated with FLYNN:
        [See this TL below: https://www.emptywheel.net/2022/03/08/enrique-tarrio-gets-his-chance-to-fit-in-or-fuck-off/#comment-926082 ]
        [blockquote]
        6] [STONE] had a 15-minute call with FLYNN, telling him that they could “document an overwhelming and compelling fraud” in each battleground state and urging him to spread the word on social media. STONE and FLYNN discuss the need to coordinate with the WHITE HOUSE and oppose demands by Republicans in some states to stop counting votes. […]
        [STONE]: “Our slogan should be ‘count every legal ballot.’ Much better messaging. More positive.” […]

        – FLYNN, JUNIOR DON, and ERIC, and the TRUMP Campaign, begin using #StopTheSteal on Twitter
        – TRUMP from WH Briefing Room: “If you count the legal votes, I easily win”
        [end blockquote]

  12. harpie says:

    I’ve been concentrating on this timeframe, for now:

    29. On December 19, 2020, [12/19/20] shortly after plans for the rally on January 6 were publicly announced, BIGGS sent a private message to TARRIO in which he stated that the Proud Boys “recruit losers who wanna drink.” BIGGS suggested, “Let’s get radical and get real men.”

    39. On December 29, 2020, [12/29/20] PEZZOLA sent a direct message to TARRIO on an encrypted messaging system: “Hey boss, [I’m] one of the guys bringing the [decorative] shield down…I’ll be in dc w a few other brothers from NY.”
    40. On December 30-31, 2020, [12/30/20 12/31/20] PEZZOLA traveled to North and South Carolina, to visit PERSON-1. PEZZOLA brought with him a decorative shield to present to PERSON-1.

    44. On December 31, 2020, [12/31/20] TARRIO posted a picture of PEZZOLA from the December 12 [12/12/20] event in Washington, D.C. Along with the picture, TARRIO posted the message: “Lords of War. #J6 #J20,” which hashtags were an apparent reference to January 6, 2021, the date of the Certification of the Electoral College vote, and January 20, 2021, the date of the Presidential Inauguration
    45. On January 1, 2021, [1/1/21] TARRIO posted separate messages on social media that read, “Let’s bring this new year with one word in mind…Revolt” and later, “New Years Revolution.”

  13. harpie says:

    12/19/20
    – [1:42 AM] TRUMP tweets: “Big protest in DC on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!”
    – K. KREMER tweets: “The Calvary [sic] is coming, Mr. President!”
    **** BIGGS sends private message to TARRIO: “[Proud Boys] recruit losers who wanna drink. [] Let’s get radical and get real men.”
    – ALEXANDER receives call from “people from the WHITE HOUSE”
    – Cindy CHAFIAN [Women for America First] seeks permit for a 1/6/21 “parade” from Freedom Plaza to the Capitol

    12/21/20
    – ALEXANDER promotes 1/6/21 rally
    – A group called One Nation Under God [front for: ALEXANDER’s Stop the Steal] files an application with the Capitol Police for a 1/6/21 [between 9 AM and 6 PM] protest over “election fraud in swing states”

    12/22/20
    – OATH KEEPER Kelly MEGGS in Florida, on FB: #Trump said It’s gonna be wild!!!!!!! It’s gonna be wild!!!!!!! He wants us to make it WILD that’s what he’s saying. He called us all to the #Capitol and wants us to make it wild!!! Sir Yes Sir!!!

    12/23/20
    – TRUMP pardons MANAFORT, STONE, C. KUSHNER, and 23 others
    – ALEXANDER celebrates STONE’s pardon on a live stream, promoting the Jan. 6 rally and boasting of what he and Stone could achieve “now that we can work together publicly.”

    Roger’s fully in the fight now [] Roger wasn’t allowed to be fully in the fight. We’ve taken the leash off the pit bull. So, this is something Roger and I have been planning for a long time. And, finally, he’s off the leash. So, you know, it’s a knife fight, and your two knife fighters are Ali Alexander and Roger Stone. And you either fight with us or you get slashed. [WaPo]

    – TRUMP arrives late evening at Mar-a-Lago, planning to stay through 1/1/21

    • harpie says:

      12/25/20
      – OK K. MEGGS posts that he’s been named “state lead of Florida.”

      12/27/20
      – [5:51 PM] TRUMP tweets: See you in Washington, DC, on January 6th. Don’t miss it. Information to follow!
      – STONE tells TRUMP “exactly how” to continue “as our president. #StopTheSteal #rogerstonedidnothingwrong”

      12/29/20
      – ALEXANDER claims he planned 1/6 protest with [R-Rep’s] GOSAR, BIGGS, and BROOKS
      – TARRIO on Parler: PROUD BOYS will attend the Jan. 6 event “incognito” and “will spread across downtown D.C. in smaller teams.”
      **** PEZZOLA direct message to TARRIO [encrypted]: “Hey boss, [I’m] one of the guys bringing the [decorative] shield down…I’ll be in dc w a few other brothers from NY.”

      12/30/20
      – BANNON phones TRUMP from his Capitol Hill residence: “We’re going to bury Biden on January 6th, fucking bury him.” [] “We are going to kill the Biden Presidency in the crib.”
      – SoCal 3%er Russell TAYLOR describes a plan to meet at the Capitol and — in conjunction with Stop the Steal — surround the Capitol. [ew]

      12/30/20-12/31/20
      **** PEZZOLA travels to North and South Carolina, to visit PERSON-1, bringing with him a decorative shield to present to PERSON-1.

      12/31/20
      ****TARRIO posts a picture of PB PEZZOLA [with OK MINUTA] from 12/12 MAGA Rally, writing: “Lords of War. #J6 #J20” MINUTA responds
      – OATH KEEPERS post: “JANUARY SIXTH, SEE YOU IN DC!”
      – TRUMP arrives back at WH early from vacation at BANNON’s urging

      1/1/21
      **** TARRIO posts on sm: “Let’s bring this new year with one word in mind…Revolt” [] “New Years Revolution.”
      – JONES, re: STONE’s 12/27/20 conversation with TRUMP: Roger Stone spent some substantial time with Trump in Florida just a few days ago, and I’m told big things are afoot and Trump’s got major actions up his sleeve.
      – [6:38 PM] TRUMP tweets: “January 6th. See you in D.C.”

  14. Greg Hunter says:

    harpie, thank you and great time line. It explains the social media push from each of the Trumps/surrogates by day along with the plans for were laid to use that chaos to achieve the coup.

    The story is coming together.

    • harpie says:

      Thank you!
      I haven’t been able to even finish reading the rest of the indictment yet…ACCCKKK!!!

  15. Rational Thought says:

    In re the individual who sent Tarrio the 9 page plan. Pretty sure none of Trump cabal would have sent it. Lots of stupid in the Trump camp, but not that stupid. It appears that the document lays out a plan to physically occupy some buildings. I am unaware of any group other than the Oath Keepers with an organized plan to occupy buildings. The plan would have been approved by Rhodes and he may have sent it, or perhaps used a courier. Also I seem to remember some references to 1776 in some of the Oath Keepers communications among themselves. There is no mention of the document in Stewie’s Indictment, but I wouldn’t read too much into that. They have plenty on him and can roll it out in a Superseding Indictment when and if they want. But its omission in the Rhodes Indictment also points toward the use of a courier, who may have flipped. Tarrio and Rhodes have gone to great lengths to put distance between them. Especially Tarrio.

    [Moderator’s note: this community member adopted “Bizarro Trump” as a username on 2022/09/20 at 11:41 pm ET / ~Rayne]

  16. harpie says:

    1/3
    The Roger Stone Tapes Previously unseen documentary footage shows the long time Trump advisor working to overturn the 2020 election, and after the Jan. 6 riot, secure pardons for the former president’s supporters (“A Storm Foretold”)
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2022/roger-stone-documentary-capitol-riot-trump-election/
    Bennett/Swain March 4, 2022

    7/9/20 STONE to staffer Enrique Alejandro: “It’s going to be really nasty. [] [predicting that Democrats would try to steal the election] “If the electors show up at the electoral college, armed guards will throw them out [] ‘I’m the president. F— you,’ [] ‘You’re not stealing Florida, you’re not stealing Ohio. I’m challenging all of it, and the judges we’re going to are judges I appointed.’”
    7/10/20 TRUMP commutes STONE’s sentence

    11/2/20 STONE [in a recorded conversation, as an aide spoke of driving trucks into crowds of racial justice protesters]: “Once there’s no more election, there’s no reason why we can’t mix it up. These people are going to get what they’ve been asking for.”
    11/3/20 STONE [at an election party] urges TRUMP supporters to prepare for a disputed result

    11/5/20
    – STONE coordinates a response during a rapid-fire succession of calls.
    1] He directs one associate to create an account for hunting election fraud on an encrypted email service to avoid surveillance.
    2] tells an aide to resurrect his Stop the Steal campaign. STONE: [his brand was about to be] “quite a bit hotter” [] “We’re going to raise money from Stop the Steal — it will be like falling off a log.”
    3] directs aides to recruit retired military and law enforcement officials for Stop the Steal.
    4] tells them to monitor a group chat on the app Signal titled “F.O.S.” — friends of Stone. [TARRIO of the Proud Boys was among the group’s members, a later shot of Stone’s phone showed].
    5] draws up a Stop the Steal action plan [As protesters were mobilized, the plan said, state lawmakers would be lobbied to reject official results.]
    6] had a 15-minute call with FLYNN, telling him that they could “document an overwhelming and compelling fraud” in each battleground state and urging him to spread the word on social media.
    STONE and FLYNN discuss the need to coordinate with the WHITE HOUSE and oppose demands by Republicans in some states to stop counting votes. STONE: “Our slogan should be ‘count every legal ballot.’ Much better messaging. More positive,” After an inaudible response from FLYNN, STONE replies: “Well, we both know he often does things he shouldn’t do.”

    – FLYNN, JUNIOR DON, and ERIC, and the TRUMP Campaign, begin using #StopTheSteal on Twitter
    – TRUMP speech from WH Briefing Room: “If you count the legal votes, I easily win”

    [I’ll add the third section when the second gets out of moderation.]

    • harpie says:

      2/3
      11/20/20 STOP the STEAL protest, Atlanta; ALEXANDER patches STONE in via phone for a speech in which he thanks “my friend there, Ali”
      11/28/20 ALEXANDER visits STONE at home for dinner
      11/30/20 STONE down plays his role in reviving [See 11/5/20] STOP the STEAL in a blog post, saying that he was “not a participant” in any of the organizations using the STOP the STEAL name in 2020.
      12/19/20 TRUMP tweets: “Be there, will be wild!”
      12/20/20 ALEXANDER registers WildProtest[dot]com, a site he uses to promote the RALLY
      12/23/20
      – TRUMP pardons STONE
      – ALEXANDER [on a live stream, promoting the Jan. 6 rally]: boasts about what they could achieve “now that we can work together publicly.”

      Roger’s fully in the fight now. [] Roger wasn’t allowed to be fully in the fight. We’ve taken the leash off the pit bull. So, this is something Roger and I have been planning for a long time. And, finally, he’s off the leash. So, you know, it’s a knife fight, and your two knife fighters are Ali Alexander and Roger Stone. And you either fight with us or you get slashed.

      – STONE is added to the top tier of the lineup for ALEXANDER’s Wild Protest, which eventually joins forces with a parallel Jan. 6 organizing effort led by Women for America First. [CHAFIAN]]

      12/27/20
      -STONE and TRUMP meet at Mara-Lago STONE tells TRUMP “exactly how” to continue “as our president. #StopTheSteal #rogerstonedidnothingwrong” [STONE’s social media post in which he announces this is erased on 12/28/20]
      – TRUMP asks STONE for names of clemency candidates who had been “persecuted because of their support for Trump.”
      12/30/20 STONE launches a fundraising drive for J6, urging supporters to help fund the rallies and pay for private security

    • harpie says:

      [THANK YOU!]

      3/3
      1/5/21
      – STONE [at Rally to Save America, Freedom Plaza]; tells the crowd he would stand with them “shoulder to shoulder” the next day, in what he calls a fight between good and evil. ALEXANDER thanks “my friend Roger Stone” for his guidance. “I am here to say it couldn’t be done without Roger Stone.”
      – 8:00 PM STONE returns to the WILLARD with OK security, including JAMES, ULRICH and GRODS
      – 8:50 PM STONE leaves the WILLARD with his bodyguard, off-duty New York City police officer Sal GRECO

      1/6/21
      – STONE tells a pardon client: “I’m going to have a little bit of input into the final list.”
      – STONE had been billed as a speaker at the ELLIPSE, but believes that some top RALLY organizers are trying to exclude him from it. Kristin DAVIS struggles to reach organizers by phone to secure VIP access, and Stone said in footage that they could not otherwise get from the Willard to the stage.
      – 10:00 AM STONE appears to change his plans to attend the RALLY, after meeting KERIK in the WILLARD lobby. [GRECO is also there.] STONE: “The point is, I don’t want to be turned away. That’s what they want. You don’t want to reach for something and not get it.”
      – Between 10:06 AM and 11:41 AM Phone calls between OK “Operational Lead” SIMMONS, JAMES and [redacted]. SIMMONS says James informed him that [redacted] was angry because he was not getting VIP treatment. MINUTA, WALDEN and GRODS were also guarding STONE. https://www.emptywheel.net/2021/12/10/joshua-james-frequent-updates-from-his-jilted-viper/
      – 12:00 PM Stone watches TRUMP’s speech on TV in his hotel suite with a group of guests and tells DAVIS: “I just caused a little problem for them with Julie FANCELLI.” [] ”I just told her, ‘You spent 300 grand and neither Jones nor I are speaking.’ [] ”One of my biggest donors financed this whole thing.” [] “They conned her.”
      – 12:40 PM Some of Stone’s guests leave; STONE team and the filmmakers agree to separate for lunch and reconvene two hours later
      Added:

      12:58 PM MINUTA call to RHODES, 1:11
      1:02 PM RHODES to MINUTA Call 1:48

      – 2:30 PM Plans change; Marbell, the director of photography, rushes to STONES’s room: “Kristin DAVIS opened the door and said that ROGER was taking a nap, so I couldn’t film.”
      – 3:03 – 3:30 PM Marbell attempts to reach STONE by text; STONE responds and offers to go to Marbell’s room, but had still not arrived by 4:00 PM.
      – 3:30 PM STONE does NOT speak at a smaller rally near the Capitol at this time, as he had planned
      – 4:00 PM STONE had still not arrived at Marbell’s room. Marbell returned to Stone’s room and began knocking. At 4:05 PM room service arrived and Marbell snuck inside, he said. “Roger was not taking a nap. He was on the phone with someone”.
      – 4:18 PM STONE:

      “I think [the riot] it’s really bad for the movement. It hurts, it doesn’t help. I’m not sure what they thought they were going to achieve.” [] “When you can’t get a fair and honest judicial opinion, when you can’t get a fair, honest and transparent election, when your legislative process is constipated by fear and threat” [] Those who make peaceful progress impossible make violent revolution inevitable.”

      – Between 4:18 and 5:00 PM STONE poses for footage/a photo in front of a hotel TV showing coverage of the riot. [>> Fox News [photo/chyron] “Guns Drawn on House Floor”] // GRECO: “This proves we had nothing to do with this today.”
      – 6:00 PM STONE’s planned meeting with Administration officials to discuss pardons does NOT take place. He says the meeting had already been pushed back, because TRUMP had “ruined the schedule for the day.”

      AFTER 1/6/20 STONE lobbies for TRUMP to enact the “Stone Plan” – a blanket presidential pardon to shield himself, Trump’s allies in Congress and “the America First movement” from prosecution for trying to overturn the election, according to the footage and additional documents reviewed by The Post.
      1/15/21 [approx] STONE [as seen in the movie] uses an encrypted messaging app to communicate with Oath Keepers leader Stewart RHODES and Proud Boys leader Enrique TARRIO.
      WaPo:

      A federal judge considering lawsuits filed against Trump by Democrats and Capitol Police officers over the Jan. 6 riot said in an order in February that Stone’s connection to Trump, the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers may prove to be “an important one.”

    • Eureka says:

      re your Stone entries for 11/5/2020 and 11/30/2020 re Stop the Steal:

      Recall I’d documented that Koch- (+/- admin-) affiliated folks were driving that hashtag on election day 11/03/2020 out of Philadelphia:

      https://www.emptywheel.net/2020/11/03/unsealed-mueller-report-passages-confirm-the-then-ongoing-investigation-into-roger-stone/#comment-864577

      More on the J6-Committee-subpoenaed Michael Mike Roman:
      https://www.emptywheel.net/2022/02/15/john-durham-chose-to-meet-with-john-ratcliffe-rather-than-witnesses-necessary-to-his-investigation/#comment-922374

      = Another reason why Stone’s statements on that topic (via WaPo re the film) seemed notable. (I’d like a tone-of-voice check on that, to see the film/how he said what he said.)

      Dunno your take but it seems like Stone had to be kept away from it; he then got a little too excited about getting in on the action post-election, then (–> 11/30) backed it down.

      • harpie says:

        ooooooff!! Thanks for being on top of that in real time and for continuing to highlight this stuff now…the bit about EOP…hmmm.

        I do agree with your assessment.
        Also, I keep thinking of this from TRUMP’s rally speech:

        Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore (cheering) and that’s what this is all about. And to use a favorite term that all of you people really came up with: We will stop the steal.

        Will we EVER see light at the end of this tunnel? :-{{{{{

        • Eureka says:

          I really wanted to ask the Magic 8 Ball but can’t find it (would swear there was one around here somewhere…).

          Oh, and every time that quote comes up I remember the kaleidoscope of *actual* people (from McGahn to the Jensens (sp.) who made it happen or ‘helped’ in some way).

        • bmaz says:

          Found an old Magic 8 Ball from when I was a kid a few years ago. The prediction things had eroded to where there was never a cognizable answer. When even the Magic 8 Ball has no answers, there are no good answers.

        • Eureka says:

          Outlook Not Good

          I was wondering if we must have tossed it (or if it’s leaking purple-black goo in some unk. storage spot). I vaguely remember it malfunctioned and would only give one or maybe two answers anymore.

        • Eureka says:

          YES

          Oh hey this is much better.

          We WILL be rid of these scoundrels.

          —
          Stakes are high, so gave it a second shake (“Are you telling me the truth?”):

          Yes definitely

        • Eureka says:

          harpie, it’s time to get out the scotch!

          —
          Oh shit.

          “But will we be rid of them just because it’s End Times?”

          It is decidedly so

          womp, womp

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