The Error that Betrays Insufficient Attention to the Obstruction Standard in the January 6 Eastman Filing

There’s a telling error in the January 6 Committee’s filing aiming to overcome John Eastman’s claims his emails are covered by Attorney-Client privilege. In the section asserting that Trump had probably violated 118 USC 1512(c)(2) — the same obstruction statute used to charge over 200 of the other January 6 defendants — the filing asserts that six judges “to date” have “refused to dismiss charges against defendants under the section.”

That number is incorrect. As of March 2, at least ten judges had upheld DOJ’s application of 18 USC 1512(c)(2), and a few more have as much as said they would.

  1. Dabney Friedrich, December 10, 2021, Sandlin*
  2. Amit Mehta, December 20, 2021, Caldwell*
  3. James Boasberg, December 21, 2021, Mostofsky
  4. Tim Kelly, December 28, 2021, Nordean*
  5. Randolph Moss, December 28, 2021, Montgomery
  6. Beryl Howell, January 21, 2022, DeCarlo
  7. John Bates, February 1, 2022, McHugh
  8. Colleen Kollar-Kotelly, February 9, 2022, Grider
  9. Richard Leon (by minute order), February 24, 2022, Costianes
  10. Christopher Cooper, February 25, 2022, Robertson

When I first made this observation, I thought I was being a bit churlish in making it. But on reflection (and after reading the quotes from lawyers in this Charlie Savage article), I think it’s an important point. All the more so given how TV lawyers have claimed that, because the January 6 Committee has claimed Trump could be charged with obstruction, then damnit DOJ should already have done so.

The fact that the Jan 6 Committee isn’t even aware of all the obstruction rulings suggests they’ve been insufficiently attentive to what the rulings actually say, aside from the baseline holding of all of them that the vote certification was an official proceeding.

While ten judges have upheld the application, there are some differences between these opinions, particularly with regards to their formulation of the corrupt mens rea required by the statute. The most important differences from my review (but I’m not a constitutional lawyer and so I should not be the one doing this analysis!!!!!), are:

  • Whether “corrupt” intent requires otherwise illegal action
  • Whether such corruption would be transitive (an attempt to get someone else to act improperly) or intransitive (whether it would require only corruption of oneself)

Dabney Friedrich argued (and I laid out briefly here) — and has repeatedly warned in pretrial hearings for Guy Reffitt — that as she understand this application it must involve otherwise illegal actions. Amit Mehta ruled (as I wrote up here) that, at least for the Oath Keepers, this corruption may be just intransitive.

On both these issues, the Jan 6 Committee’s argument is a bit muddled. Here’s how they argue that Trump’s actions (and, less aggressively, Eastman’s) demonstrate that corrupt intent.

The Electoral Count Act of 1887 provides for objections by House and Senate members, and a process to resolve such objections through votes in each separate chamber. 3 U.S.C. §§ 5, 6, 15. Nothing in the Twelfth Amendment or the Electoral Count Act provides a basis for the presiding officer of the Senate to unilaterally refuse to count electoral votes — for any reason. Any such effort by the presiding officer would violate hte law. This is exactly what the Vice President’s counsel explained at length to Plaintiff and President Trump before January 6. Plaintiff acknowledge that the Supreme Court would reject such an effort 9-0. And the Vice President made this crystal clear in writing on January 6: [1] any attempt by the Vice President to take the course of action the President insisted he take would have been illegal

Nevertheless, pursuant to the Plaintiff’s plan, the President repeatedly asked the Vice President to exercise unilateral authority illegally, as presiding officer of the Joint Session of Congress, to refuse to count electoral votes. See supra at 11-13. In service of this effort, he and Plaintiff met with the Vice President and his staff several times to advocate that he universally reject and refuse to count or prevent the counting of certified electoral votes, and both also engaged in a public campaign to pressure the Vice President. See supra at 3-17.

The President and Plaintiff also took steps to alter the certification of electors from various states.

[snip]

The evidence supports an inference that President Trump and members of his campaign knew he had not won enough legitimate state electoral votes to be declared the winner of the 2020 Presidential election during the January 6 Joint Session of Congress, but [2] the President nevertheless sought to use the Vice President to manipulate the results in his favor.

[snip]

[T]he President and the Plaintiff engaged in an extensive public and private campaign to convince the Vice President to reject certain Biden electors or delay the proceedings, without basis, so that the President and his associates would have additional time to manipulate the results. [3] Had this effort succeeded, the electoral count would have been obstructed, impeded, influenced, and (at the very least) delayed, all without any genuine legal justification and based on the false pretense that the election had been stolen. There is no genuine question that the President and Plaintiff attempted to accomplish this specific illegal result. [numbering and bold mine]

As I said, I think this is a bit of a muddle. For starters, the Jan 6 Committee is not arguing that the delay actually caused by Trump’s mob amounted to obstruction. Rather, they’re arguing (at [3]) that had Eastman’s efforts to get Pence to himself impose a delay would be obstruction.

They make that argument even though they have evidence to more closely align their argument to the fact pattern ten judges have already approved. The emails included with this filing show Pence Counsel Greg Jacob twice accusing Eastman of convincing Trump of a theory that Trump then shared with his followers, which in turn caused the riot.

[T]hanks to your bullshit, we are now under siege.

[snip]

[I]t was gravely, gravely irresponsible of you to entice the President of with an academic theory that had no legal viability, and that you well know we would lose before any judge who heard and decided the case. And if the courts declined to hear it, I suppose it could only be decided in the streets. The knowing amplification of that theory through numerous surrogates, whipping large numbers of people into a frenzy over something with no chance of ever attaining legal force through actual process of law, has led us to where we are.

That is, Jacob argued, in real time, that Eastman’s knowingly impossible theory, amplified by the President, caused the riot that ended up putting Pence’s life at risk and delaying the vote certification. But the Jan 6 Committee argues instead that the attempted persuasion of Pence the was the obstructive act.

Perhaps as a result, the agency (transitive versus intransitive) involved in this obstructive act is likewise muddled. In one place (at [1]), the Jan 6 Committee argues that the obstructive act was a failed attempt to persuade Pence to take an illegal action. I’m not sure any of the failed attempts to persuade people to do something illegal (to persuade Pence to do something he couldn’t do, to persuade members of Congress to challenge the vote with either good faith or cynical challenges, to persuade Jeffrey Clark to serve as Acting Attorney General) would sustain legal challenges.

If the Commander in Chief ordered his Vice President to take an illegal act, that would be a bit different, but that’s not what the Jan 6 Committee argues happened here.

Elsewhere, this filing (and other attempts to apply obstruction to Trump) point to Trump’s awareness (at [2]) that he lost the election, and so his attempts to win anyway exhibit an intransitive corrupt intent.

As Charlie Savage noted in his story and a thread on same, to some degree the Jan 6 Committee doesn’t need to do any better. They’re not indicting Trump, they’re just trying to get emails they will likely get via other means anyway (and as such, the inclusion of this argument is significantly PR).

But to the extent that this filing — and not, say, the opinion issued by Judge Mehta after he had approved obstruction, in which he both ruled it was plausible that Trump had conspired with two militias and, more importantly (and to me, at least, shockingly), said it was also plausible that Trump may be liable under an aid and abet standard — is being used as the model for applying obstruction to Trump, it is encouraging a lot of unicorn thinking and, more importantly, a lot of really sloppy thinking. There are so many ways to charge Trump with obstruction that don’t require an inquiry into his beliefs about losing the election, and those are the ones DOJ has laid a groundwork for.

Plus, there are a few more realities that TV lawyers who want to talk about obstruction should consider.

First, it is virtually guaranteed that Friedrich’s opinion — the one that holds that “corrupt” must involve otherwise illegal actions — will be the first one appealed. That’s because whatever happens with the Guy Reffitt trial this week and next, it’s likely it will be appealed. And Reffitt has been building in an appeal of Friedrich’s obstruction decision from the start. First trial, first appeal. So TV lawyers need to study up what she has said about otherwise illegal action and lay out some rebuttals if their theory of Trump’s liability involves mere persuasion.

Second, while ultimately all 22 judges are likely to weigh in on this obstruction application (and there are only two or three judges remaining who might conceivably rule differently than their colleagues), there are just a handful of judges who might face this obstruction application with Trump or a close associate like Roger Stone or Rudy Giuliani. Judge Mehta (by dint of presiding over the Oath Keeper cases) or Judge Kelly (by dint of ruling over the most important Proud Boy cases) might see charges against Roger Stone, Rudy Giuliani, or Alex Jones. Chief Judge Howell might take a higher profile case herself. Or she might give it to either Mehta (who is already presiding over closely related cases, including the January 6 lawsuits of Trump) or one of the two judges who has dealt with issues of Presidential accountability, either former OLC head Moss or Carl Nichols. Notably, Judge Nichols, who might also get related cases based on presiding over the Steve Bannon case, has not yet (as far as I’m aware) issued a ruling upholding 1512(c)(2); I imagine he would uphold it, but don’t know how his opinion might differ from his colleagues.

The application of 18 USC 1512(c)(2) to January 6 is not, as the TV lawyers only now discovering it, an abstract concept. It is something that has been heavily litigated already. There are eight substantive opinions out there, with some nuances between them. The universe of judges who might preside over a Trump case is likewise finite and with the notable exception of Judge Nichols, the two groups largely overlap.

So if TV lawyers with time on their hands want to understand how obstruction would apply to Trump, it’d do well — and it is long overdue — to look at what the judges have actually said and how those opinions differ from the theory of liability being thrown around on TV.

I’m convinced not just that Trump could be prosecuted for obstruction, but that DOJ has been working towards that for some time. But I’m not convinced the current January 6 Committee theory would survive.

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46 replies
  1. ApacheTrout says:

    I think this is probably the right reason:

    “they’re not indicting Trump, they’re just trying to get emails they will likely get via other means anyway (and as such, the inclusion of this argument is significantly PR).”

    Sometimes, laser focus only on the solitary issue is necessary. I used to work in environmental consulting and it was frequently too tempting to throw everything at a regulatory board (or judge if the permit decision went to court). The attorneys we worked with advised us and their clients to keep the filing to the issue at hand. For starters, time is of the essence, and more comprehensive filings required substantially more effort. We ran the risk of not making deadlines when we went for the comprehensive approach. Second, the attorneys admonished us to not give the judges (when the projects went to court) other items to think about. They might just expand their field of vision, find a weakness on a tangential issue, and blow the whole thing up. So the phrase Keep It Simple was tossed about on more than one occasion.

  2. BobCon says:

    This is enlightening as always. A couple of proofreading notes:

    “to the extent that this filing… is being used as the model for applying obstruction to Trump, it is encourage a lot of unicorn thinking ” should probably read “to encourage”

    Also, January 6 in the final sentence would probably be best changed to January 6 Committee for clarity and consistency with other uses in the post.

  3. Peterr says:

    Regarding the six v ten cases where judges have upheld the application of 18 USC 1512(c)(2), I think it is simply that this section of their filing was written between Jan 21 and Feb 1. The J6 committee cites the first six cases you list in their footnote, and none of those afterwards.

    That strikes me as a process error, where the authors wrote this section of their submission over a month ago, filed it away in their minds as “finished”, but never went back to revise it to include the more recent rulings when the full submission was put together and filed with the court.

    Not good, but there is a difference between not revising an older draft you thought was complete and not realizing that other judges have made rulings to support their case. I hope this leads them to be a bit more careful with future drafting projects.

  4. Overshire says:

    To the admins: this post is the only thing I’ve been able to load from the site this morning, and it took 5 attempts and over half an hour. I’ve been getting repeated Error 522 messages saying my browser is working, Cloudflare is working, but the server can’t complete requests.
    Just an FYI. Not sure this will even come through. Good luck, and thanks for all the hard work!

  5. greenbird says:

    i’m still naive, in that J6 has Douglas Letter for counsel, which, for me, counts a lot.
    let’s hope there’s a response, marcy … either way, it’s an acknowledgement of your point.

  6. greenbird says:

    do you already send him the link for this ?
    Douglas.Letter [AT] mail.house.gov

    [FYI, email address ‘broken’ with blank spaces and character replacement to prevent accidental clickthrough and additional spider scraping on this site. /~Rayne]

    • greenbird says:

      thank you, rayne. i forgot.

      [No problem, just need to exercise a little heightened care right now. ;-) /~Rayne]

  7. Scott Johnson says:

    If the Commander in Chief ordered his Vice President to take an illegal act, that would be a bit different, but that’s not what the Jan 6 Committee argues happened here.

    Should note that the President is not the boss of the VP, who does not serve at the President’s pleasure. While there may be theories of how Trump could attempt to corrupt Pence, he has no legal authority whatsoever to demand his veep do or not do anything.

    And that’s especially true when the VP is acting in his legislative role as President of the Senate, as he was on 1/6.

    So it’s a good thing the Committee isn’t trying to argue that, it would not be a good argument to make.

    • earlofhuntingdon says:

      Trump would never accept the distinction, but everyone else inside the Beltway should. When acting as President of the Senate, the VP is head of a separate, co-equal branch of government, not an official in the executive branch (who has virtually no official duties other than to be the President’s understudy).

    • Peterr says:

      Trump could demand anything he wanted from Pence, issuing whatever orders he likes, but Trump has no legal authority to enforce those demands and orders. Of course, the old “Nice future you have here in the GOP, Mike — it’d be a shame if something were to happen to it” cliche remains popular among the authoritarian elites.

      But if Trump did “order” Pence to do something to further the Jan 6 sedition, merely issuing that unenforceable order would indeed be of interest to the J6 committee.

  8. WilliamOckham says:

    I was re-reading Friedrich’s ruling in the Sandlin case and I was struck by something I missed the first time around:

    Indeed, the certificates of electoral results are akin to records or documents that are
    produced during judicial proceedings, and any objections to these certificates can be analogized
    to evidentiary objections.

    That’s a pretty clear opening to charge the fake electors scheme under 1512(c)(2) (because 1512(c)(1) only covers those who “alters, destroys, mutilates, or conceals” documents). We can already tie Trump, Eastman, and a slew of Trump’s myrmidons to that plot.

    • emptywheel says:

      Yes. And I think that will be a fruitful line of inquiry (which may be why Lisa Monaco was happy to say they were investigating it). It does far more than the Eastman stuff to get to criminal intent involving Trump.

  9. I Never Lie and am Always Right says:

    Judge Carter, who is presiding over the Eastman email dispute, is a no-nonsense Judge. A real workhorse who does not suffer fools. I’m looking forward to his rulings on this matter.

  10. DrDoom says:

    I am a newbie here and would like to ask a naive newbie question. Don’t the 1/6 committee and the TV lawyers assign staffers to read this site? It would seem to be a basic element of their jobs.

    • emptywheel says:

      I assume so, but unlike some court cases, I’m not 100% certain. Certain of the members aren’t big fans of me (like Liz Cheney, I assume). Others are, more so.

      • WilliamOckham says:

        One of the things I noticed in reading the bits and pieces of depositions that the committee released in the Eastman litigation is that the staff seems to have an expectation that Ms. Cheney could interrupt at any time with questions.

        For example, from the Williamson deposition (Exhibit J):

        Mr. George. Ms. Cheney, I see you turned on your camera.
        Ms. Cheney. I just wondered, Mr. Williamson, do you remember seeing bike racks being breached?
        The Witness. Yes, on the TV, correct, Congresswoman.
        Ms. Cheney. Okay. And that would’ve been before you went to talk to Mr. Meadows?
        The Witness. I don’t remember exactly what time, but I believe so, yes. I believe seeing that on the TV before I went over.
        Ms. Cheney. Okay. Thank you

        And from the Kellogg deposition (Exhibit H):

        Mr. George. Okay. Ms. Cheney, I noted that you unmuted. Do you have any questions on this topic?
        Ms. Cheney. No. I wanted to make sure we were back on the day of the 6th and going moment by moment through that.
        Mr. George. That’s exactly where we’re headed now, Ms. Cheney.
        Ms. Cheney. Great. Thank you.

    • pdaly says:

      I happened to be walking past the radio (which has NPR going all day) just as Marcy was being introduced. Great summary!
      Glad to see NPR is giving Marcy a well-deserved spotlight.

    • viget says:

      It’s about d*nn time. Marcy, you were absolutely brilliant. I hope Scott Simon has you on again.

      And the following piece on kleptocracy was awesome too! We should all write to NPR and Scott Simon and encourage MORE of this reporting, especially on the drive time shows!!!!!!

  11. HW3 says:

    “The fact that the Jan 6 Committee isn’t even aware of all the obstruction rulings suggests they’ve been insufficiently attentive to what the rulings actually say,”

    I guess this is why I fear that the hope of any actual legal consequences for all these blatant criminals is just wishful thinking.

  12. Derek Todd says:

    I am not a lawyer but I am also not uneducated and I often read the posts on emptywheel because they are written by thoughtful people who are educated in the law. I go to other sites like Lawfare for the same reason. I have a question that has been on my mind for some time. The post above explains in some detail some of the legal issues involved in the ongoing January 6 investigation as it pertains to some possible, potential, far in the future, possibly entirely mythical criminal prosecution of Donald Trump. I take it that Marcy Wheeler, like others in the legal blogosphere and the “tv lawyers” she takes issue with from time to time, is a believer in the rule of law and the principle often asserted that “no one is above the law”. Not to trivialize the closely reasoned arguments of a legally trained mind as to the prospect of this or that witness testifying to the mens rea of the former president and so on it must be said that to an average educated person such as myself Donald Trump is obviously a criminal who has committed many serious crimes over many decades. It is also obvious to such a person as myself that to date and frankly, for the foreseeable future, Donald Trump enjoys impunity from any criminal prosecution whatsoever. So my question is at what point is the presumption, perhaps the conceit, that the US is a constitutional democracy, or a democratic republic, if you like that better, where the rule of law prevails without fear or favor give way to the clear reality that the United States is a corrupt plutocracy where wealthy billionaires can commit horrible crimes and enjoy impunity and perhaps even be reelected? You may think from this question that I have made my own decision in this regard but that is not so. I still hope that the liberal dream and the conservative principle still have a chance but I worry that there is a psychological tipping point where no amount of elegant rhetoric, fine legal points and strained notions of fairness can cover the awful nakedness before us.

    • HW3 says:

      “clear reality that the United States is a corrupt plutocracy where wealthy billionaires can commit horrible crimes and enjoy impunity and perhaps even be reelected?”

      This is all that I am seeing. The discussion of specific things things Trump and his gang have done, and the things various prosecutors and the congressional committee are asking about, seem to just be noise to keep a story going that is just a distraction from this cold clear reality.

      More useful would be some discussion of why the congressional committee is missing stuff, and why the NYC prosecutor let t off the hook.

      • Thomas says:

        I am not a lawyer either, but what are we to think? Trump has clearly defrauded millions of people out of over $120 million with a false claim and he used nationwide organizations AND electronic transmissions (emails, cable tv appearances) to commit these crimes. We read about these facts from numerous news organizations and the stories are sourced and verified. One can even verify these facts, as I have, by signing up to receive Trump’s emails.
        YET, despite the fact that Trump has been committing these wire fraud, racketeering and conspiracy felonies right in front of the faces of the FBI and DOJ for at least 14 months, he isn’t arrested. There’s no indication that he is being investigated for these crimes.
        He commits felonies openly right in front of law enforcement CURRENTLY.
        And meanwhile half a dozen garbage piles of Trump felonies from the past are picked at for months and years with no indictments.
        What the actual fuck? Is he the Antichrist?
        What IS IT that allows him to commit felonies with impunity? He is leading an entire subculture to imitate his behavior.

        • bmaz says:

          “We are to think” that maybe getting evidence actually admitted in a real federal court is nowhere as easy as commenters like you on an internet blog relentlessly claim. “We are to think” that actual crimes in actual courts have defined elements that must all be proved up beyond a reasonable doubt, and that is one hell of a lot tougher than you think given that verdicts must be unanimous. Oh, and you have not been paying attention to what it looks like DOJ is doing, as Marcy has consistently pointed out. But, hey, rant on there.

  13. Bay State Librul says:

    I agree with you.
    We have collected the $200, we have passed Go.
    We are leading by two touchdowns and a field goal.
    We have the cash on the table.
    The songbird is chirping.
    For fucks sake, indict that lawless prick.

  14. Vinniegambone says:

    Might the current j6 committee’s current theory have been guided or made too much of the fact the perps admitted as per the green bay sweep they were shooting to delay the proceedings so states could find fraud evidence ?

    Your point is delay was accomplished not it was going to be accomplished. . The goal was the sweep. It didn’t have to suceed for there to have been obstruction. It was obstruction the instant Trump snapped the ball . .. “We’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Ave… ” mobilizing the forces was the crime. .

  15. Vinniegambone says:

    Might the current j6 committee’s current theory have been guided or made to much of the fact the perps admitted as per the green bay sweep they were shooting to delay the proceedings so states could find fraud evidence ? Your point is delay was accomplished. The goal was the sweep. It didn’t have to suceed for there have been obstruction. It was obstruction the instant Trump snapped the ball . .. “We’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Ave….

    Mobilizing the forces to cause the delay was the crime.

  16. Vinniegambone says:

    Might the current j6 committee’s current theory have been guided or made to much of the fact the perps admitted as per the green bay sweep they were shooting to delay the proceedings so states could find fraud evidence ? Your point is delay was accomplished. The goal was the sweep. It didn’t have to suceed for there have been obstruction. It was obstruction the instant Trump snapped the ball . .. “We’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Ave….

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