there is a little-told history of abolitionism in appalachian america beginning in the early 1800’s. the message was carried by itinerant evangelical preachers – methodist presbyterian, baptist, and pentecostal.

the social change began with “the great revival” in logan county, ky. the “word” had it’s greatest reach in western n. carolina, e. tenn, western va. (whch would become w. va.), and eastern and n. ky.

i have spent well over an hour looking for a summary of this history to little avail. here is the best i could do:

“… More important than the Great Awakening in changing the Anglican dominance of religion in the South was the movement of increasing numbers of settlers into backcountry areas of Virginia and the Carolinas after 1750. Attracted by inexpensive land, Scotch-Irish Presbyterians, Separate Baptists from the northern colonies, and German Protestants moved into the Piedmont, resulting in a surge of new Presbyterian and Baptist congregations, as well as a new presence of Quakers, Lutherans, German Reformed Methodists, and pietistic Protestant sects. All of these new religious influences appealed to the plain folk of the rural and backcountry areas and resulted in the growing marginalization of Anglicans, which was made complete with the overthrow of English authority during the American Revolution. By the 1790s, religious freedom and denominational competition for members represented a new religious sensibility in the South, as across the new nation…

The Great Revival (1800-1805) launched the Second Great Awakening in the South, beginning on the frontier, in Logan County, Kentucky. The Cane Ridge Revivalwas the largest associated with this awakening, attracting 25,000 worshippers in the summer of 1801, to hear extended preaching. Plain folk in the Upcountry found a passionate new religion and Cane Ridge became a hearth for grassroots evangelical growth. The Second Great Awakening was national in scope, as Baptists and Methodists, especially effective at recruiting plain folk, rose to new prominence. They became the center of a more democratic religion complementary to the politics of the early nineteenth century that empowered plain folks in the South and elsewhere.

Evangelicals, as historian Rhys Isaac notes, initiated a countercultural movement to gentry planter culture. They saw religious conversion as a transforming experience that led them to embrace an egalitarian fellowship with the redeemed, whether lowly in societal terms or not. Slaves, women, Indians, and the socially marginalized were welcomed as enthusiastic believers, who embraced individualistic conversion and proclaimed a rigorous moral austerity. The planter way of life with its indulgence and worldliness, became a target for criticism by young evangelical preachers, who were often itinerants and especially suspicious of the powers that be in a hierarchical society. Women prayed, prophesied, exhorted and in other ways exercised their spiritual gifts in unprecedented ways. Evangelicals insisted that converts take up the cross of Jesus, sometimes alienating not only planters but plain folk men with their radical vision that empowered all who put spiritual equality ahead of earthly values. This empowerment was perhaps especially significant in terms of African Americans in the South. Anglicans had been ineffective in efforts to convert slaves, but early evangelicals criticized slavery, sought black converts, and licensed black exhorters. The first black congregation in the southern colonies, founded in Silver Bluff, Georgia, in 1773, was Baptist, andMechal Sobel has documented dozens of black Baptist churches by 1830. Most slaves worshipped, though, as part of biracial churches that would become even more numerous after 1830… ”

this excerpt is from:

https://southernspaces.org/2004/overview-religion-and-us-south

i have no idea of its provenance but the part i cited tells the story i read a decade or so ago.

earlofhuntingdon,

All of the flak being thrown at “General Kelly” re his remarks about the start of the U.S. Civil War is just flak:  A screen of shrapnel flung up in attempt to shoot down whatever Kelly ‘flew’ over:  ALL of the flakkers are, as you are, blowing bullshit about “slavery” (the quotes here to indicate the term referencing the romantic construction assigned to the term in the post-bellum United States, which does conforms to constructions dating to Civil War era Union propaganda and subsequent Reconstruction Era implementations and reactions, not to any reality in any slave-era that ever existed, including the present United States one [which you probably do not recognize as enslaving]).

“General Kelly” was correct in his statement in regard to the United States Civil War because his statement was about the causes of the United States Civil War, not about the United States’ historical romance that “The United States Civil War was about Slavery”.

Compare to someone addressing the topic of the Columbus initiated “discovery” of the Americas referring to European treatment of the lands and peoples as ‘free for the taking’ and as beasts, for burden or for slaughter as their adaptability to ‘harness’ in local situations showed them, and a lot of defensive fools leaping up to begin howling that the history of Columbus and those who followed him is about ‘discovery of New Worlds’ and ‘advance of ‘civilization”‘.

Do you see the problem?  Myth trumping history, being asserted the history?

The United States has generations now whose ‘education’ has been by shallow and superficial ‘popular’ indoctrination.  Generations incapable of in-depth consideration.

To return your OT to T, this incapability is manifest in the topic in that there is no evidence of comprehension that interrelaions between Western Powers officials and business interests, and lobbyists and Russia and Ukraine did not spring full-grown as election-related from the Thigh of Zeus in 2015 or 2016, midwifed by launch of the Trump Campaign.  The specific history began with the separation of the Soviet Union, which created a national Ukraine, and carried through several stages, among the later of which were those Manafort et al were involved in, in which forces today associated hostilely with Russia, were associated to the EU and to ‘westernizing’.

Everyone blathering needs to, before blowing their blather, go back and do some reading tor learn progression, whatever the subject.

It might help if some might be able to figure out that Russia is not a monolith out from which comes some single and singular “party line”, too.  For instance, review the “Steele document” with recognition that there can be found in Russia people of all shades of reliability, among whom “information” can be shopped, and an be bought, to suit whatever purpose one may be being paid to shape to.

Inability to comprehend this is the reason the United States is today a population of gasping matrons under hair-dryers seeking perpetual titillation reading tabloid-journalism outrages.