Jane Harman Now Targeting Individual CyberTargets with Drone Court
Jane Harman’s advocacy for a drone court suffers from the same problem I touched on here (and will lay out at more length in the next day or so): before you can have a Drone and/or Targeted Killing Court, you need some law the court will apply. Harman seems to envision just applying the standards the Executive — not Congress — came up with, which isn’t how Schoolhouse Rock taught me the government is supposed to work.
Congress, in her model, would just be fully apprised of what goes on in the Drone and/or Targeted Killing Court, not write law to limit what can be approved.
But I’m more interested — alarmed, really — by the way Harman seamlessly adds cybertargeting to her advocacy.
The FISA court, renamed the CT Court, could also oversee drones and cyber. A FISA court application must show that specific individuals are connected to a foreign power – which is defined, in part, as a group engaged in international terrorism. Drone and cyber applications could (1) list the individual/cyber target against whom the lethal operation is directed and (2) submit a finding of probable cause that the individual/cyber target is connected to a foreign power, is in a senior operational capacity and poses an imminent threat of violent attack against the United States.
Approved applications for drone strikes and cyberattacks would need to be renewed after a certain period, and discontinued if evidence is presented that the targets no longer meet the criteria. [my emphasis]
Granted, it would have been nice if the government had had to go to a court to explain why a publisher like WikiLeaks should be targeted with a persistent DNS attack, assuming that’s what happened. But given that both our FISA targeting and our targeting killing targeting probably allow for far too much abuse of the First Amendment, I’m not convinced the FISA Court would have noted the problem with that incident of prior restraint.
More generally, though, isn’t Harman’s neat inclusion of cyber targeting here a hint that our cyberattacks have gone beyond just Iran and WikiLeaks?
You are not still following the Schoolhouse Rock Model of Governance, and nothing you say can make me think you are.
Can’t kid a kidder.
“FISA court application must show that specific individuals are connected to a foreign power – which is defined, in part, as a group engaged in international terrorism”
Does that mean someone like a Greenpeace executive could be hit? I don’t see the relationship between foreign power and international terrorism…this just seems to blur the distinction between state and non-state actors.
“More generally, though, isn’t Harman’s neat inclusion of cyber targeting here a hint that our cyberattacks have gone beyond just Iran and WikiLeaks?”
Good Gobs of Goose Grease! (wink)
Is she talking about killing hackers here?
“Drone and cyber applications could (1) list the individual/cyber target against whom the lethal operation is directed”
At first I thought it meant that they’d specify someone they intend to hit with a cyber attack, not a Hellfire missile. But this is talking about lethal operations.
@joanneleon: Yep, it’s whack-a-hacker she wants, not just drive them to suicide.
@Tom Allen:
It’s going to get interesting when it’s someone in her neighborhood. Or one of the downloaders working in her office.
Harman defended the Bush administration’s use of international (cross-border) warrantless wiretapping through the National Security Agency, saying: “I believe the program is essential to U.S. national security and that its disclosure has damaged critical intelligence capabilities.”(Wikipedia).
Oh, that Jane Harman, the intellectual.
Following reports in April 2009 of her conversations being recorded without her knowledge, she appeared to take a different stance regarding wholly domestic wiretaps. (Wikipedia)
Oh, that Jane Harman, the crusader for privacy!
DroneGods need no ‘rule of law’…
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So Jane figures that if they bought off on killing Americans overseas for hatin’ ‘Murika, it’s just such a short little step to killin’ anyone, wherever, for messin’ with ‘puters in a bad way. Next stop, speeding. Then littering. Then rooting for the Cubs. We’re only, after all, haggling over price once the main principle is established.
Actually, it would be nice to ask Jane where she thinks the “line” is where people should “still” be entitled to be tried, allowed to confront witnesses against them, have a jury of peers — any of those quaint old notions. Apparently, however, none of those things are necessary if somebody might be contemplating using a computer to bad ends.
In the meantime, the palpable overreaching in this proposal only demonstrates the wisdom of the Constitution in preventing a government from presuming to decide which “crimes” it would, and which it would not, allow to be subjected to rules of prosecution subject to a presumption that people have rights which the government cannot ignore.
Jane “waddling on over” Harman at it again.
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@SpanishInquisition: Actually,the target just has to be foreign, not tied to a foreign power. She’s bullshitting there.
And yes, a Greenpeace exec can be hit. Julian Assange and everyone he has spoken to can be. My mother in law can be.
@joanneleon: Makes me imagine being killed by the kitchen going wacky, like an array of Iranian centrifuges.
Jane Harmon interviews Janet Napolitano (broadcast 1/2013 on c-span).
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/310580-1
Harmon refers to cyberwarfare/etc with the shortened term “Cyber.” Her first question to Napolitano is what a cyber 9/11 would look like. Napolitano mentions electric grid as first exampe. Neither brought up California “brown outs” caused by greedy energy companies as an example of cyber 9/11.