US-Based Drones for the Sake of Drones
I became aware of the pro-drone legislation from a February 10, 2011, Syracuse Post Standard report that Sen. Charles Schumer (D-New York) was supporting an amendment to the pending Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) reauthorization bill (S. 223) that would create test zones for the introduction of drones into general airspace.
Senator Schumer was interested in the pro-drone amendment because MQ-9 Reaper drones, killer drones that are flying over Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq, are stationed at Hancock Air Base near Syracuse. However, FAA safety restrictions have limited drone flights out of Hancock.
“If Schumer’s legislative move succeeds this week,” said the Post Standard, “it would help ensure the future of 1,215 jobs at the (air) base in Mattydale (New York) and potentially lead to millions of dollars in radar research contracts for local defense companies.”
Aside from jobs, what’s remarkable about the push for drones is how amorphous the purpose of the drones are. Here’s Candice Miller, one of the sponsors of the amendment, describing the need:
My amendment is designed to help expedite and to improve the process by which FAA works with government agencies to incorporate unmanned aerial vehicles, or UAVs as they’re commonly called, into the National Airspace System. Currently, Mr. Chairman, law enforcement agencies across the country, from Customs and Border Protection to local police departments, et cetera, are ready to embrace the new technology and to start utilizing UAVs in the pursuit of enforcing the law and protecting our border as well.
However, the FAA has been very hesitant to give authorization to these UAVs due to limited air space and restrictions that they have. I certainly can appreciate those concerns; but when we’re talking about Customs and Border Protection or the FBI, what have you, we are talking about missions of national security. And certainly there’s nothing more important than that. It was a very, very lengthy exercise to get the FAA to authorize the use of UAVs on the southern border. While they’re finally being utilized down there, we are certainly a long way from fully utilizing these technologies. [my emphasis]
That is, we’re talking about CPB (which has used the drones for some years), but also the FBI, local police departments, and “et cetera” using the drones.
Did I miss the open, public debate about whether we want the FBI–much less local police departments or “et cetera” using drones to spy on Americans’ activities?
Then again, I guess this is why the government needs to trump up claims about self-radicalized Americans: to provide some justification, no matter how thing, for our latest jobs program.
What could possibly go wrong – hick – go wrong – hick – go wrong?
BTW, last line: ‘thing’ <– 'thin'
Hey, I was just about to bring this article to the previous thread—too late again! ;-)
Thanks, Marcy.
Business opportunity for Benton Harbor: DRONES!
Lobbying Report: Drones Fly Through Congress to Enter US Skies [same as the article Marcy linked to above]; Nick Mottern; TruthOut; 4/16/11
I noticed from the map that there’s a regional airport near Benton Harbor.
[Who knew there was a Congressional Drone Caucus?]
Evidently, “everybody must get droned!”
How long before they want these to be used for crowd disbursement when folks are protesting? Think of a drone with the sound cannon, tear gas, or similar crowd control mechanisms…
So, when will the first drone caused air accident be covered up? Like TWA 800.
Straight talk from a cop on surveilling.
“It gives us a good opportunity to have an eye up there. Not a surveilling eye, not a spying eye. Let’s make the distinction. A surveilling eye to help us to do the things we need to do, honestly, to keep people safe,” said Miami-Dade Police Director James Loftus.
http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Science-Fiction-News.asp?NewsNum=3151
Where we live in Bellingham, WA, over the past 10 years there has been increasing helicopter traffic from Border Patrol, Homeland Security and others. The local police will frequently put in a call to one of these choppers to “assist” in looking for a thief on the run or similar. They rarely accomplish anything except to nurture a relationship of a quasi-military bureacracy looking for activities to justify huge expenses and training with local police (who are also turning quasi-military with their SWAT crap)into some new creature from the black lagoon w/jackboots.
Drones cruising our skies locally will just be another collaborative enterprise in expensive futility whose main result will be to piss off the locals.
http://www.king5.com/news/local/Lynden-man-charged-with-blinding-Border-Patrol-pilots-with-flashlight-114303684.html
Well, and if Jack Goldsmith’s warrantless wiretap memo is any indication, if they have military patrols (he pointed to air patrols, but I’m sure these drone patrols will serve just as well), then it lends credence (they say) to the claim that we’re at war here at home, and therefore the Commander-in-Chief must have the ability to surveil the battlefield.
You know, with the “et cetera” agency?
The DOJ’s recent hardline about arresting any WA State officials who actually try to implement our liberalized medical marijuana dispensary laws, (recently passed)is indicative of the relationship between the DEA’s need to cruise the skies looking for pot farms as as well as “heat signatures” from homes for evidence of grow-ops and all the “et ceteras.”
The increasing Homeland Security (and et ceteras) fly-overs meld nicely with this so-called law enforcement, hence the Obama hard line re pot…. liberalization.
et-phookin’-cetera?!
We already know about the US’ penchant for illegal domestic spying that first goes on then gets legalized after the fact. The aerial surveillance is just a more recent facet (e.g. “Dow Chemical Co. v. United States: Aerial
Surveillance and the Fourth Amendment,” 1986).
The even newer nifty cloud-computing-enabled financial theft (and money-laundering operation?) is called carbon trading. Since late Dec. 2010 (the bold is my emphasis)
(excerpt from “Google unveils satellite platform to aid forest efforts,” Reuters.Com, Dec. 2, 2010)
So the information has already been available from the US and French government that used tax payer money to develop and deploy the satellites which collects the data but then is feed (is sold?) for instance to Sagewell Inc., a Delaware incorporation since July. 25, 2008, that then resells it (at what multiple?) back to the public.
Meanwhile, Sagewell Inc. receives US DOE funding and works as a partner with the Commonwealth of Massachusetts’ Department of Energy Resources (DOER) (see March 17, 2011 – For immediate release: Department of Energy Resources Launches Project to Measure Efficiency of Homes in Greater Springfield Area and Piloting New Approaches to Home Energy Efficiency) yet their application is triggering Kyllo (see “The Fourth Amendment and Boston’s City-Wide Infrared Imaging Project to Show Heat Loss of Homes,” Volokh.Com, by Orin Kerr, April 11, 2011 7:17 pm) and no body has noticed?
Also “A New Perk At Google: Run Your Own Startup Within The Company” (Business Insider , Apr. 7, 2011) states:
Hmmm. So, folks, follow the money and note the absurd levels of apparent counterfeiting and the exchange (at an amazing currency multiplier) of the counterfeits among insiders. As for Washington State, specifically, will State Attorney McKenna do his job?
Keep pulling the lever for the Blue Team!
We are all Collateral Damage now.
OT: G20 met in DC? All over the news. Not.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/15/g20-communique-idUSN1528616320110415
Just because we want to fly remotely piloted vehicles from one location to another without having a huge hassle with the FAA every time it happens doesn’t necessary mean we are building Skynet…
Maybe it is more likely that the FAA is a risk adverse government agency that is having a hard time adapting to new technology and is looking for some congressional ass-covering when changing the rules governing remotely piloted vehicle flights?
Two words to you:
Flight Plan.
If only it were only that simple. Here is the FAA fact sheet on unmanned flight.
Or maybe what is being contemplated is exactly “Skynet” and should be treated as exactly that. They are already using this shit on the border, it is NOT just to shuttle “from one location to another” and all manner of federal, state and local law enforcement agencies are chomping at the bit to use them for patrol, recon and interdiction. So the innocent little pablum you are preaching is just complete bogosity.
Border Patrol launches drone above Arizona
That started in 2004.
The link seems broken, but, some alphabet agency tried to use them several years ago to patrol the southern border, destroyed three of those expensive mothers within a couple of weeks flying them into the ground.
Link works here. The gist is that Border Patrol has been using drones here for quite a while, starting as early as 2004. That is true, and the use has expanded. They also patrol with them well into Mexico and quite a way inside the border as well. And it is growing. Arpaio is jonesing to use them extensively in Maricopa County. A place I can tell you has very crowded airspace and most certainly does NOT need drones meandering around in the terminal control area.
lol… fear the machines!
Not everything is a conspiracy. The fact is right now it is a pain in the ass to fly remotely piloted vehicles though FAA airspace. Not that I trust chucky, but everyone knows that he’s bought and paid for by Wall Street, not Cyberdyne…
First off, I do not “fear the machines”, I fear the intent, motivation, honesty and competency of the men and agencies that want to fly them. Having quite of bit of experience in these areas as relates to law enforcement and the government, I think I am on pretty solid ground in that regard. I didn’t say anything about a “conspiracy”; this shit happens openly and notoriously, and it is exactly what has whittled the 4th Amendment down to near extinction. And pilotless aircraft in TAC airspace is insane. Oh, and “lol” right back at ya.
bmaz, I share your concern. Sorry for the lol- just the fact that the “terminator” ended up being our governor always makes me chuckle.
There has been a steady creep in the surveillance state, and technology is certainly one of the factors that has enabled that process- but that doesn’t mean new technology is bad per se, just that there can be good uses and bad uses for it. Yes, I know this is an old argument.
Unmanned vehicles aren’t inherently good or evil- there are plenty of worthwhile civilian uses for them that don’t involve oppressing the citizenry. My point is only really that there are most likely going to be issues with this technology that will be abused in the future by our government and should be spoken out against, but I don’t see modifying some FAA regulations as that alarming right now.
Agreed. My point is that, far as I can tell, the only people clamoring for these are the surveillance and defense industries. And cops. Nobody is asking that the EPA have them to collect data and regulate emissions. Indeed, I bet wingnuts would go absolutely crazy at that suggestion. But they all – even Schumer – are gung ho to set the drones off for surveillance and interdiction. How long before they are outfitted with Tasers and people are yelling up at the sky “don’t Tase me dro”
not long for tasers, or worse
Haha!
But we’ll have to yell at the water and land, too. That’s why they changed their name [from Caucus website]:
Mebbe you didn’t read what Marcy quoted
And why exactly do we need to fly unmanned vehicles through domestic airspace?
Because the companies that build them need more of our tax dollars, and they’ve paid off Schumer, et al to make the case for them.
Morning everyone :)
I didn’t know where to put this, (or if I missed you guys posting on it..lol!! but this ‘company’ is big, powerful and private. I wonder who is hiding in the shadows??
‘A UK subsidiary of the world’s largest commodities broker helped one of its African mining operations avoid paying tens of millions of pounds in tax, according to charities who have analysed a leaked review of its accounts.’
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/apr/17/glencore-denies-copper-tax-allegations
There is also a useful little ‘and connections map’
http://www.marketvisual.com/Report/ddfa2717-0595-44da-8b6c-88ac52883433?n=Glencore
Bring that up again on April 30th at the FDL Book Salon on Treasure Islands.
Have they worked up the amount they will pay when there is “collateral damage” to innocent US civilians, or should that be “innocent” US civilians (for which there will be no payments, b/c we are all terrorists)?
bin Laden won.
Perhaps Osama Bin Laden and “terrorists” were used as an excuse all along for the warmongers and MIC in this country (and those who profit around the world) to escalate wars, increase surveillance, and further take away privacy rights.
I should have said, “The terrorists have won”.
Ding. Opportunistic Bureaucracy.
Opportunistic because the bureaucracy can increase its budget by “protecting” us from some very low risk hazards.
Such as becoming stoners.
(It should be a requirement for all in congress to smoke half a dozen joints per day. It would reduce the militaristic attitude. Munchies provided at taxpayer expense)
Didn’t he, tho!
No Emptywheel drone post is complete without this graphic.
Building surveillance drones so they can spy on us, monitor our movements, and kill us if King Obama gets an inkling. Notice how they always have the money to do us in, but destitution sets in when it’s for the greater good.
This must be their idea of a jobs program.
If one thing’s been most obvious the last three years is they don’t
give a crap about creating jobs here. They continue to send every other job overseas with each new trade deal. They are truly repulsive.
Schumer it a such a tool for big money. Sickening that he’s still there.
Well, once this deal is done there’s nothing to stop them from outsourcing the drone industry either.
Suckers!
Unbelievable.
And funny.
Funny?? Yeah, I think it’s funny that the same ones that scream the word FREEDOM the most are ALWAYS the quickest idiots to agree with this big brother bullshit.
Just like they wouldn’t know reality if it bit them in the ass, they have no clue of what freedom means either.
I now know what the USA produces the most. Idiots.
when we should be talking about CBP?
CPB is trying to find more donors. /s
There’s no where in the world to hids from US oppression.
It’s interesting to watch a totalitarian dystopia assemble itself piece by piece right before our eyes.
I don’t think protests will necessarily be a good use of these, people already know how to blind their cameras and I really don’t think missiles are in the cards.
http://www.wikihow.com/Blind-a-Surveillance-Camera
However, I can’t imagine the Et Cetera Agency will be able to resist using these to find pot plants.
They could come in handy finding homeless people who died in the street from lack of jobs, affordable health care, food, and housing. Winning the future.
Eventually, these big, high flying drones will be old technology and will probably be replaced by bumblebee-sized machines silently flying around our houses and elsewhere, no doubt.
DARPA already has that covered with their hummingbird surveillance bot.
http://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/military-robots/aerovironments-nano-hummingbird-surveillance-bot-would-probably-fool-you
If they’re bumblebee sized, I’d expect them to be targets of bumble-bee predators (at least once). Swatting sounds like a good idea, also. And who knows, maybe ‘Raid’ would be effective.
I think the version that faa wants congress on the same page as robotics develop is a worthwhile reading. In 2009 in an Austin problem with an armed person in a house who might have antiaircraft capability, the local gendarmes scrambled a model plane sort of vehicle with live video feed equipment onboard. The linked article describes the problems with the newness of the technology, and faa*s continuing but relaxing oversight in that regard. The robotic plane employed was called a Wasp. The Wasp reportedly is sufficiently miniature that at its 400-foot altitude it is ostensibly inconspicuous.
The post a while back depicted the upstate NY exercise as learning to find bears in them hills.
Recently darpa completed awarding a winner in the second phase of a competition for a drone called a Nano Hummingbird, whose maker is AeroVironment. It flies by means of actual mechanical wings. It also has hover capability, but the article does not mention whether it can light on a tree branch; it is standard small avian size.
Also last week, actingSGkatyal and Mr. Breuer filed a pet for cert in a surreptitious surveillance launched outside the warrant*s stipulated authorized timeframeand outside the specified geographic region; the file is available several places, Volokh*s downloads ok. I was expecting to see the Hudson case cited, but it is not.
I was wondering if the nano-hummingbird could deliver a gps device payload, something like the Jones electronic tracing device in the Katyal document 500K, 120pp linked.
Somebody really took The Fifth Element seriously as a source for “engineering” specifications:
“First BiDirectional RoboRoach Prototype” (Mar 3, 2011)
:-(
Drones are for spying on people and punishing or killing them if they in any way displease or inconvenience the authorities. They are a terrible weapon in the hands of a blood thirsty, war mongering Fascist Empire such as the one based in Washington.
War hasn’t really been fun since the whole jawbone-of-an-ass era but the dawning age of personal pocketsized self-defense hovercraft drones with FLIR and chirpy Angry Birds personas that smacktalk by Twitter is almost upon us and that’s where it gets really exciting.
You win the thread, melior!
Congressional Unmanned Systems Caucus
It’s like an internal UAV Lobbying group.
Here’s more:
Congressional UAV boosters collected nearly $1.8 million; MAASSIVE; War is Business; 2/17/11
Not surprising, given the GOP pay-to-play rules for House committee seats, chairs and leadership positions (a fixed priced menu approach the Dems gladly adopted). Fundraising is job #1.
An old price list had junior seats going for $150K/year in “dues” and “fees” paid to the party. Better seats went for $250K, and so on. The most expensive committee chair is, obviously, the Appropriations Committee. The Speaker has to raise more than $1.5 million. Those amounts are all in addition to the sums a member must raise for their own re-elections.
That’s a lot of parties at the Willard. No wonder John Boehner plays so much golf.
Senate Bill 223—FAA Air Transportation Modernization and Safety Improvement Act (Engrossed in Senate [Passed Senate]-ES
Re: Skynet.
I’ve had this link for awhile
The MoD actually thinks Skynet is a good name for the system that controls their drones.
To follow up
The Terminators: drone strikes prompt MoD to ponder ethics of killer robots
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/17/terminators-drone-strikes-mod-ethics
Wrt: this Bill [HR658]
Federal Aviation Administration Re-Authorization Bill; 4/4/11
There was a small victory in March:
MCSO MAKES HISTORY; Draganflyer can fly anywhere in the county; 3/8/11
Maybe they didn’t hand out enough bumper stickers to the people at FAA.
UAVs for Congress; 9/23/10
About the Congressional technology fair.
Cute, huh?
With abominations like this, what can folks expect?
Hi, mzchief [love your name!]–I don’t know anything about that…but I’m guessing you do?
Besides the shame of installing a Throne to Mammon at a place of higher learning, folks had additional criticisms regarding the new institution (video).
As commentators have mentioned, drones will deploy satellite based sensors at virtually ground level. If a satellite can read your license plat or spot you lighting that match at hundreds of miles, I wonder what modern spectrum analysis and photography can do at 10,000 feet.
FWIW, law enforcement in Ogden is already in the process of acquiring a 50-foot blimp for civilian surveillance. It’s not in this particular article, but somewhere I saw that something like 18 other US cities already have this type of aerial surveillance in place.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/51038602-76/ogden-blimp-fly-godfrey.html.csp
Good point
And also, the Air Force has been funding research into surveillance blimps for years
This is all following a certain progression, that is, the transformation of America into a surveillance police state, primarily occurring after 9/11, with the 9/11 attacks by right-wing religious zealots being “conveniently” used (by other right-wing zealots) as the rationale for locking down America, for letting the war profiteers run wild…but only in the interest of “national security.”
War profiteers have made a killing financially off Bush’s wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (as they continue to do under President Obama), so it was only a matter of time before they turned their attention to making a killing financially on the domestic front. What is showing up in America’s skies today in the way of drone surveillance aircraft is either newly-manufactured hardware or hardware shifted from overseas combat zones…with someone in the background making money…always.
The whole privatization scheme hatched and launched by the Bush/Cheney administration deals solely with making war profitable for all the private firms and individuals receiving no-bid contracts, in which taxpayer money is diverted into their privatized pockets, with most (if not all) of these no-bid contracts going solely to crony-Republican conservative-owned companies (especially during the infamous and criminal Bush/Cheney years), who no doubt would be so grateful for having so mush of the tens of billions in “national security” taxpayer dollars funneled their way that they would reciprocate by funneling huge campaign donations back into Republican Party campaign coffers.
After 9/11, one of the first things the Bush administration did was co-opt American spy satellites, training their space-based cameras on American soil for the first time (before, they’d been prohibited from spying on Americans on American soil while passing overhead). But this wasn’t good enough for them. They’d already implemented their Total Information Awareness system, getting complicit telecom companies to participate in warrantless wiretapping of American citizens, vacuuming up all that the no-bid private contractors could get their hands on, storing in super-computers, for analysis, to catch suspected right-wing religious terrorists (of the foreign kind), drug dealers, prostitution rings, whatever, whomever, all in the name of “national security” (remember Ashcroft’s priority list?).
After the co-opting of these spy satellites for domestic purposes, Bush Republicans wanted something closer to the ground, which conveniently appeared in recent advances in remote-controlled drone surveillance aircraft (the merger of GPS technology with advances in miniaturized computer/video-camera technology). I first heard of these drones being used overseas in the Iraq/Afghanistan war efforts. Domestically, the first I heard of these drones being used in America was when the Bush administration announced that a Predate drone squadron was being based at Ellington AFB outside Houston, presumably to monitor the Texas/Mexico border (even though there are close airbases to the border area). Then, I read a couple of years ago that the Houston Police Department was shown a drone demonstration as a prelude to its buying some.
Forget about “creeping socialism,” as some conservatives are wont to talk about. How about “creeping fascism,” which is apparently what most “national security” conservatives have in mind for America?
I am reminded, for some reason, of pre-World War II Nazi Germany. World War I, and war reparations, impoverished Germany, with the 1929 Stock Market Crash impoverishing Germany even more going into the 1930s, with the German budget in shambles…something which the Nazis and Hitler took advantage of. (Hmmm, kind of looks like what today’s Republicans are trying to do: tax cuts for wealthy corporatists/industrialists, cuts in social programs, increased impoverishment of the middle-class and poor, attacks on labor unions). Then, as the Nazis rose to power, promising to “clean-up” German society and bring prosperity back, they formed “citizens watch” groups (the Brown-shirts) to police everyone, to monitor their activities, to compile an “enemies list” of any Germans viewed as a threat to the Nazi leadership and their self-proclaimed superiority. (Hmmm, kind of sounds like today’s Republicans once again). Then, instead of the Nazis pumping money into government programs to help make life better for all Germans, they diverted tons of money into building the Nazi war machine, impoverishing Germany even more. Result? World War II.
It’s funny how history keeps repeating itself…or tragic if one happens to be on a conservative/Republican/Nazi “enemies list,” deemed a “threat,” kept under surveillance, monitored in one way or another, targeted for censorship or incarceration or even elimination…and all done under the auspices of a “national security” umbrella, like in Nazi Germany, like in Stalin’s Russia, like in one conservative totalitarian dictatorship after another around the world, throughout the history of the world…and democracy be damned.
from aronsonsecurity group:
Video surveillance is now playing an increasingly important role in proactively deterring crime, as well as in the investigation after an incident takes place.
By monitoring grounds, sensitive areas, and general work spaces, your organization can literally keep an eye on everything at once. With new technology available today, your intelligent video surveillance system can actually monitor unusual behavior for you and create alarms for suspicious activities through live video feeds or by providing time/date stamps for later viewing. This drastically reduces the need to view hours of video when investigating an incident.
http://www.aronsonsecurity.com/video-surveillance/
“On Monday, in a case that represents an about-face in American policy, Obama administration lawyers will charge in immigration court here that General [Carlos Eugenio Vides Casanova] participated in torture when he commanded the Salvadoran armed forces and will seek to have him deported.
“The case against General Vides is hailed by human rights advocates as the first time a special human rights office at the Department of Homeland Security has brought immigration charges against a top-ranking foreign military commander.”
LINK.
Well at least “spider researchers” can be happy– Lasers to map in 3D the forest canopy and the forest floor. (I’m sure the technology was thought up for the benefit of spider researchers /s).
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/04/lasers-map-spiders/