Do You Get the Feeling We’re the Adversaries Deputy Defense Secretary Lynn Is Talking About?
After having managed the Wikileak dump as an opportunity to dial up another NYT A1 fearmongering Michael Gordon article against Iran, DOD has turned to complaining about Wikileaks again. But given the vagueness described in this complaint, I can’t help but wonder whether William Lynn is using the term “adversary” rather loosely.
U.S. Deputy Defense Secretary William J. Lynn called the documents “stolen material” and said they give adversaries key insight on how the U.S. military operates. He did not say which groups, or how the Pentagon knew they were researching the documents.
“There are groups out there that have said they are indeed mining this data to turn around and use against us,” Lynn told a small group of reporters during a brief visit to Baghdad. “We think this is problematic.”
Of course groups are mining documents–and it’s no mystery how DOD has learned of it. The UN has mined the documents and subsequently raised questions about America’s obligations to prevent torture in Iraq. I would imagine that Lynn finds it “problematic” that the UN might challenge its policy of ignoring torture.
I imagine, too, that Lynn believes Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg’s demand that the US investigate its support for torture “problematic.”
“Anything that suggests basic rules of war, conflict and engagement have been broken or that torture has been in any way condoned are extremely serious and need to be looked at.
“People will want to hear what the answer is to what are very, very serious allegations of a nature which I think everybody will find shocking.”
It would be “problematic,” too, if the Danes were forced to admit that its own records, neglecting all mention of turning over 62 Iraqis to be tortured, were inaccurate.
I’d be flattered, frankly, if DOD considers us mere American citizens–their paymasters–among that group of “adversaries.” It’d be nice if our military had some fear that citizen disgust with its actions might exercise some kind of check over their power. It’d be nice if the exposure of our government’s complicity with torture proved somehow problematic to the bureaucracy that institutionalized that complicity.
Sadly, I suspect that if Lynn is including us mere citizens in that group of “adversaries,” he’s only doing so because he finds the notion of citizen oversight and accountability so “problematic.”
If it had a choice, the federal government would not inform the public about anything. The fact the DOD resents Wikileaks’ work to inform the public isn’t surprising from a government that is increasingly secretive and abusive of the public, whether lying to them, spying on them or molesting them at airports.
To whit, evidently on Friday, TSA plans to roll-out nationwide the sexual assault screening process heretofore only implemented at Boston Logan and Las Vegas McCarren airports:
As immensely irritating (and unconstitutional) as this is, here’s the bit that really gets me…
Shhh, it’s a secret… By not notifying the public, those of us unwilling to risk sexual assault for the mere convenience of flying cannot plan ahead or make other travel arrangements.
I find this especially egregious as it comes just before the busiest travel weekend of the year (Thanksgiving) and yet too late for the majority of travelers who have already booked their tickets to make other arrangements.
It is all of a piece EW. We, the people of the United States of America, are the enemy.
Good to know.
That is absolutely disgusting. I would never want my child subjected to such a search nor have my child see me or my spouse subjected to such a search. It would undo all the stranger danger and “bad touch” education we have worked on as parents and that the school has backed up in guidance lessons in an instant. Not to mention, I have no idea how such an intrusion would emotionally affect my child.
This is so very, very wrong and not of a nation whose foundation is supposed to be based on freedom. This is beyond over-the-top response.
The intrusive, invasive and otherwise pointless kabuki theater that is “airport screening” has long since caused me to stop flying anywhere. This latest round of ever-more-intrusive processes has convinced me that the TSA is determined to ensure the safety of our skies by completely shutting down airlines to all but the most passive sheep. Now, instead of “may I examine the contents of your bags?” its “mind if I grope you through your clothes?” and they STILL miss that none of the people they are concerned about have gotten any weapons through the screening systems we’ve had in place since the late ’70s. Bombs from Europe – check, box cutters through the service entrance – you bet, but zero, zip, zilch, nada through the passenger screenings.
Would any of them care to explain just WHAT EXACTLY do they think they are going to find with this procedure (besides pissed off customers, I mean)?
Chatty, lively, exhibitionists!
What? Lynn thinks the Intertubes only work from Jersey to NYC and Christie’s putting the kybosh on the new “tube” cuts of the information flow? Someone tell the Geniuses at the Department of War that the world’s connected and this shit’s been out there for a while. What Wikileaks has done is provide the smoking gun.
The Military-Industrial Corporation, Patdown, always finding new ways to market their product. Cut social programs, defund infrastructure spending! No one will notice, and besides 1/2 the nation will blame the mexicans or the scary mooslims.
Our leaders underestimated our cynicism. What idiots that lead us. Thank god I have 4 liquor stores within walking distance to my house. And medical marijuana ’cause I feel like I’m gonna’ puke.
If such facts are problematic, then is more daylight is needed? “Problematic” is only spoken when there is a bigger picture which is even worse than the facts available. That kind of “problematic” becomes a national security threat in terms of further destroying any ground our nation stood on in terms of human rights.
OT for the tecs:
Hey, just a heads up to the tecs. The edit function expires just seconds after posting. I posted and noticed my typo right away (3 seconds) and could not correct because I received the time expired notice.
I wonder what will happen when they crotch grap some of them macho, curb-stomping, neo-nazi, Tbgrs…
No edit time…typo…should be “grab”
The whole DoD has gone rougue now that they’re out from under the brutal thumb of civilian leadership. And they didn’t have to seize power- they just told the boss what’s what and dared him to look “unamerican,” by activating his role as Commander in Chief.
What I find so interesting is the trickle down effect in terms of the behavior of the authoritarian thugs working for Rand Paul and Joe Miller. It’s the same kind of entitlement- although in Miller’s case there’s a direct line due to the fact that his security is active duty U.S. military.
“We’re in charge. You don’t know the whole story. We keep you and your little runts safe from evil people that want to kill you while you sleep.”
It will be very interseting to see how the military-contractor, christian right, teabagger nexus develops and plays out in the months and years to come.
Betrayus is good, but he’s no Karl Rove.
Maybe that has something to do with POTUS trying to tell us to STFU. Maybe they’re threatening him.
I wonder if the fear the government has regards its own populace having the truth is well-founded. I don’t believe I’ve heard one elected official, at a national level, call for an investigation.
And these calls for an investigation, just who will run the investigation? The Pentagon? A commission picked by one of the people who should be investigated (Obama — and that’s the weakness of the UN call)? By a somnolent Congress?
As in the days of the Bertrand Russell commission on war crimes, we just may have to do it ourselves.
U.S. Deputy Defense Secretary William J. Lynn called the documents “stolen material” and said they give adversaries key insight on how the U.S. military operates
The key insight is delivered to the American populace by this Wiki-dump. But it is worth wondering if anything can penetrate the awareness of the populace. Clear evidence of bankster fraud and government coverup is right in front of their faces without much acknowledgement. The malicious union of the government and BP has faded from their memories and I even hear people like Chris Mathews claiming that the spill was much apparently less damaging than he first thought. I guess we have no choice but to try to spread the word. Results, unfortunately, will not come until a crash on the scale of 1929 occurs, which many think is looming on the horizon.
Us “whiners” are definitely problematic for them. The MIC feels threatened by the truth. What they need are lots of obedient citizen breeders and home educated volunteers (they have to be carefully taught..South Pacific)that will do the dirty work and keep the wars and oil going and that is who they appeal to…I really that is what is happening. Just like Germany and its expansionism.
Barack Obama. MAWBB (Might As Well Be Bush)
Actually, that is exactly what I believe :)
Well, I didn’t mean it rhetorically.
Oh I know I had just posted something I didn’t really think was the truth, so I was just trying say what I really think..which is that I agree with you.
Think of the military-industrial-media complex as an insatiable beast always in need of sustenance. Think of the Michael Gordons, Judy Millers, et al farmers sowing the seeds to insure a continual crop of fodder.
The Unruley and Uppity populace which doesn’t Know Their Place MUST be trampled!
I am so outraged by phred’s news @1 I really don’t know what to say.
We must resist. Every Single Person. Every Single Time.
I’ve been meaning to contact TSA about this ever since they started their assaults at Logan, but my day job has been keeping me pretty busy. At any rate, the Herald article pushed me over the edge and I called this morning. The customer service person I spoke with had no idea what I was talking about. She went so far as to call their customer service office at Logan who claimed they still use the backhand search (which I know is untrue from personal testimony of those who have experienced the fore-handjob).
At any rate, she recommended that I follow up with an email, which I did. I have formally requested a copy of the TSA’s statistical analysis that establishes the risk of dying on a domestic flight at the hands of a terrorist in the absence of any screening, followed by the incremental change in that risk provided by each screening tool (x-ray, naked girly machines, handjobs, etc.).
We’ll see what they send me…
I’m so torqued I might just post the email I sent them in a diary. Highly uncharacteristic of me, since I much prefer to comment rather than post diaries, but commenting seems insufficient this time.
For now the day job beckons, I’ll put something up later…
Thanks, phred. I’ll look forward to reading that. I’m almost in the same boat as Mithras; but feel vaguely that TPTB would have then “won”. Uggh.
Let us (or me) know – good for you to follow up.
@35 – sounds like a psych after GW’s heart. He was busy reading himself one of them there Shakespeare’s. As best he recollects, it was A Comedy of Errors.
Via CNET News:
Washington Times=Moon the other scariest political instigator meglomaniac is Murdoch.
Add Hamid Karzai, to the list of adversaries. He wants to kick out the overpaid mercenaries out of Afganistan because they are murderers. He has conspiracy theories that the “contractors” are behind Taliban terrorism. We know that the Pentagon does not allow Conspiracy Theories.
Sure took him a long time to figure that one out.
Probably a “pashto” translation error: “We are losing money. These contractors are taking over our territory.”/s
Rather ironic, what with his brother (and one would assume himself) on the payroll…
Are the ‘pat-downs’ going to be women doing the men and the men doing the women? Will the beautiful people be the ones called out most often for the ‘random’ search?
As long as the Europeans are considering cuts to military spending that threaten their Afghanistan commitments and as long as their citizens want their nations to get out of Afghanistan (military commitments) and as long as Wikileaks’ slow erosion of world opinion of these wars continues, I think we are definitely on the right track and headed in the right direction.
‘Adversaries’ is a loaded word. I am willing to restate my commitment to challenging the legality and morality of these premeditated, non-defensive, murder matches, commonly referred to as wars. Does opposition of wars make me a criminal? Not so far. Using the word ‘adversary’ moves the controversy into a gray area.
As long as anti-war is synonymous with anti-American, it’s difficult not to get that feeling. But, I would assume Lynn probably reserves his ire for people or groups that can actually have some semblance of influence on the U.S. government, and sadly that ain’t us.
Mrs. BearCountry figured that the underpants ‘bomber’ was a false flag for something. Sure enough, the full body scam (not misspelled) machine was out shortly there after.
Jon Walker has a fresh cross-post already in progress: Prop 19 Trailing by Two in New SUSA Poll
Marcy,
I just left you some coins on the big red thermoter page — you are amazing. I seldom comment, but often read here and on the other FDL pages, and appreciate the wisdom, insight, and humor. Thanks to all who contribute.
Thank you. I appreciate it.
Julian Assange and Wikileaks are not guilty under federal espionage or treason law.
If the military doesn’t want embarrassing leaks, it should stop doing embarrassing things.
Thanks. A timely post.
And speaking of those Danes, look what’s happening at Khadr’s sentencing hearing [?terminology]:
Dr. Expert on Evil is being cross examioned by Major Schwartz and it seems he hasn’t done his homework. Judge says: “Do it Now, while we go get some lunch!” http://twitter.com/carolrosenberg#
This is the interview with the Danish psychologist:
http://frontpagemag.com/2010/05/05/among-criminal-muslims/
This nation is still feeling the effect of the Vietnam tragedy. So long ago, but it is still alive in the minds of military planners and the right wing. The view in those quarters is that the United States could have and should have ‘won the war’ by staying the course, but was forced by domestic opposition (mostly DFH’s)to withdraw and suffer an embarrassing defeat. Nobody ever defeat’s the United Stats (at least not since the War of 1812).
Those wounds healed over, but the deep scars were never erased. The odd thing is that the number of us who were around and opposed intervention in 1964 and 1965 are getting fewer and fewer, as are those who protested in the late 60s and early 70s. But the event is deeply engrained into some kind of institutional memory. ‘Never again’ is the password. And yes, it is the American people who are the enemy here. They don’t know their best interests. Only the military planners do.
Here’s a prediction: if the reich wing win the 2012 election, we will probably have a military coup to prevent the worse-case scenario of total annihilation, not to mention sovereign default by the United States. We will be in Pakistani or Turkish territory, where the military safeguards what’s left of the nation.
What a pass we’ve come to. Norske is right.
I think there is a lot of truth in what you observe.
In my view, our military was humiliated by its failures of tactics and strategy in Viet Nam. A humiliated military is something to contend with. As long as those who hold the traditions and myths within a military are in power, they will not rest until by total war they have wreaked humiliation on another nation. Many examples, Germany of the 30s and Israel of today come to mind.
You have to undo the existing Hierarchy…
I’m currently reading Jimmy Carter’s White House Diary. In an annotation to a diary entry about the Committee on the Present Danger, he noted that its members had contacts in the defense and intelligence communities, and that they sometimes had access to leaked information before Carter himself became privy to it.
What are the odds that those who leaked to the neo-cons ever faced an investigation, let alone legal sanctions?
WikiLeaks reportedly [per the Pentagon] has at least 15,000 more pages of damning documents
LINK.
Pesky citizens.
Is there anyone in government who actually considers the meaning of the Constitution? Or for that matter, the health of the nation?
Who are they hiring and what do the want ads look like? “Wanted, Important Front-Line Government Administrator. Must demonstrate extreme operational disdain for ‘Civillians’ and other suspects. Familiarity with counter-Constitutional arguments required. Sociopathic expertise preferred but will train. Commission salary track…”
OK, nevermind, it’s morning, I’m still idealistic.
But I’m sure a LOT of people in DC would be happier if they could just adjust the Internet to be read-only. Like TV.
End cannot justify certain means is just for civilians.
It’s problematic because:
It clearly shows that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove, Rice, Gates, etc are in FACT war criminals! That is what the actual problem for them is. Not that anyone is being hurt now in our armed forces. Just the MIA and the NeoCons are being exposed. Now there is documented truth, where as we have all had our opinions and a few loose facts flying around. We now have a legit piece of work to show proof.
Oh, and yes we the people, the tax payers that fund their money trains are the enemy. We were just not supposed to find it out.
Brilliant! Bravo, nicely written. I love it. With each use of that pivotal word, we see into another field of our hypermilitarized Commons. The battlespace background of their worldview has become our foreground.
The Pentagonization of US Life
Pepe Escobar interviewing Tom Engelhardt and Nick Turse for The Real News Network
July 20, 2008
No parades, but we do flyovers of sports stadiums all the time, etc. Where better to demonstrate to a captive congregation the shocking awe of our mechanized god?
Much obliged, EW.
EW-found this article about the latest Wikileaks document dump in which Josh Steiber is noted to have written a letter last week to the Pentagon. In his letter which anticipated the new documents, Josh asked the generals to respond with less of an attitude of adversarial blaming and more of an attitude of accepting accountability/responsibility for the war in Iraq which THEY have waged.
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2010/10/2010102410827506430.html
I hope everyone realizes that once these guys start sounding like this to you, there’s no turning back;>