Cancer, Chemicals, and Corporations
As you might know, my family is a walking cancer cluster: three out of five of us had some form of cancer. What has frustrated me as I’ve lived through three bouts of cancer in my family was the cancer industry’s focus on “curing cancer,” with very little attention on preventing it. Particularly given how dangerous the “cures” for cancer are, it’s high time we focused more attention on how we avoid it.
Which is why I’m happy that this report from the President’s Cancer Panel is getting a good deal of attention. It talks about all the environmental hazards that may contribute to cancer, devoting an entire chapter exploring each of six kinds of exposures that may contribute to cancer:
- Exposure to Contaminants from Industrial and Manufacturing Sources
- Exposure to Contaminants from Agricultural Sources
- Environmental Exposures Related to Modern Lifestyles (things like automobile pollution, airplane travel, and cell phones)
- Exposure to Hazards from Medical Sources
- Exposure to Contaminants and Other Hazards from Military Sources (pointing to 900 abandoned military sites that are Superfund sites)
- Exposure to Environmental Hazards from Natural Sources (things like radon and naturally occurring arsenic)
But as the report notes, one of the reasons Americans are exposed to so many potentially carcinogenic materials is that our regulatory system doesn’t work.
The prevailing regulatory approach in the United States is reactionary rather than precautionary. That is, instead of taking preventive action when uncertainty exists about the potential harm a chemical or other environmental contaminant may cause, a hazard must be incontrovertibly demonstrated before action to ameliorate it is initiated. Moreover, instead of requiring industry or other proponents of specific chemicals, devices, or activities to prove their safety, the public bears the burden of proving that a given environmental exposure is harmful. Only a few hundred of the more than 80,000 chemicals in use in the United States have been tested for safety.
U.S. regulation of environmental contaminants is rendered ineffective by five major problems: (1) inadequate funding and insufficient staffing, (2) fragmented and overlapping authorities coupled with uneven and decentralized enforcement, (3) excessive regulatory complexity, (4) weak laws and regulations, and (5) undue industry influence. Too often, these factors, either singly or in combination, result in agency dysfunction and a lack of will to identify and remove hazards. [my emphasis]
It elaborates in the expanded section on regulation to talk about regulatory capture.
Like many other industries, the U.S. chemical, manufacturing, mining, oil, agriculture, transportation/shipping, and related industries are substantial political contributors and actively lobby legislators and policymakers on issues that affect their operations and revenue. For example, corporations aggressively block proposed chemical manufacturing, use, and disposal regulation, both through lobbying activities and in some cases, by manipulating knowledge about their products (e.g., industry-funded research).115,116 Although the Doll and Peto assessment of attributable fractions of the national cancer burden related to specific causes has been largely abandoned by the scientific community, it remains the basis of many existing chemical regulations and policy. The chemicals industry in particular likewise continues to use the notion of attributable fractions to justify its claims that specific products pose little or no cancer risk. As a result of regulatory weaknesses and a powerful lobby, the chemicals industry operates virtually unfettered by regulation or accountability for harm its products may cause.
This report came from the President’s Cancer Panel, in a report telling Obama the shortcomings of our National Cancer Program. And it said that while there are a number of other controllable factors contributing to cancer (most notably smoking), we’re simply not doing enough to even investigate these other possible causes of cancer.
With the BP spill, we’re entering into a big discussion about whether our oil and gas habit is really safe and–more importantly–whether we even try to regulate it effectively. But at the same time, we ought to be having a wider discussion of the many ways (including our oil and gas addiction) that our modern lifestyles lead to cancer.
And let’s not forget grandfathered chemicals. Chemicals that were already in common use when the Toxic Substances Control Act came in force in 1979 are exempt from even the minimal testing the law requires.
Which exempts almost all petrolium products.
Boxturtle (Just as well, peanut butter would be banned if it came after 1979)
The massive Gulf oil spill ought also to shine a light on the bipartisan failure to regulate the world’s most profitable and potentially dangerous industries, oil among them. “Profit, baby, profit!” should not be government regulators’ battle cry.
Don’t put ALL the blame on the government. As long as we remain addicted to cheap oil, ANYTHING that raises the price of gasoline will rile voters.
A gas tax to fix the roads makes sense. Ignoring the rabid antitax folks, try to sell it to the rest of us. You’ll be ignored by the media, unless you’re an elected offical. And if you’re an elected offical supporting an increased gas tax, you won’t be after the next election.
Boxturtle (Pandering to the voters or pandering to the oil companies?)
It will be interesting to see whether the dispersant being used in the gulf is toxic.
start using the precautionary principle on chemicals – all of them.
salt, sugar, titanium dioxide, urea nitrogen, et al. shouldn’t take long to certify.
we should have been doing this 60 years ago!
and Loo Hoo @ 10. DDT. I remember when that became available to farmers in the Deep South, I believe soon after WW II. Unfortunately, farmers didn’t know how to use it, so just plastered it on everything. Including themselves. Bad way to die. Enormous swelling, lots of pain. I remember the story of a local woman who was being beset by gnats. Her husband had placed a sprayer of DDT on the porch. She decided to just spray her arms and legs with the stuff to get rid of the gnats. Almost got rid of her, too.
Nobody prepared them to use this stuff.
You damned tootin’ it’s 60 years after they should have done this kind of study. Lots of terrible illnesses, as EW has highlighted, might not have occurred had we had a watchful, concerned gubmint during those decades.
see wikiP
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precautionary_principle
“…in some legal systems, as in the law of the European Union, the application of the precautionary principle has been made a statutory requirement.[1]…”
see also:
http://www.sehn.org/precaution.html
google has more, of course.
Precautionary Principle…very interesting, orionATL. Thanks.
loo hoo @4
the chemical is “corexit”.
here is wapo’s take on it:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/05/AR2010050500423.html
there is another chemical that is said to be more effective than corexit and less toxic, but the u.s. stockpiles corexit. (can’t lay my hands on the lource for this later info at the moment.)
Thanks. Basic ‘ol rule of thumb: if you can’t pronounce it, don’t eat it.
I have used corexit in oil refineries … marketed under the name “XZIT” – it is indeed effective in breaking up large glumps of thick oils. It does nothing until mixed with water then turns milky and breaks up the oil.
One of the problems with it is that it gives off vapours at low temperatures that are both toxic and explosive. It is now mostly replaced by more benign compounds using acid from citrus fruits – lemons odoured stuff.
I don’t know if any of you remember a Frontline by Bill Moyers about 15 years ago or so in which he spent two hours on this issue. As part of the programme he had his blood tested for traces of new chemical compounds. The results were astonishing. A couple of things from the programme stuck in my mind. The first is that the onslaught of chemicals of all kind, only a small proportion of which are tested for their possible damaging impact on people, began in the mid-1950s. The second point is that the effects are most serious on children, because they are small and growing and absorbing stuff faster from the environment than adults. Put those two things together and you have the third point, which he went into at great length. Those who are at greatest risk are people born after 1955. I thank my stars I was born long enough before then not to have that exposure. He gave a lot of time to pediatricians who explained why this stuff is so lethal to kids.
Time to bring it up again.
Two guys wrote a book recently that was tied to the new scrutiny of BPA. They did something similar, though if I recall correctly, one tried to avoid exposure, the other did not. In any case, they were a walking test tube, too.
Great program by Bill Moyers
“Trade Secrets”
“The chemical revolution of the past 50 years has altered nearly every aspect of our lives. Many of the products we rely upon every day – from plastic bags to computers – would not exist without synthetic chemicals. Most of us believe the chemicals in consumer products have been tested and approved by some government agency. In fact, until they are proven harmful, most chemicals are presumed safe.
Of the more than 75,000 chemicals registered with the Environmental Protection Agency, only a fraction have gone through complete testing to find out whether they might cause problems for human health. Many that are produced in enormous quantities have never been tested at all. Usually, it takes dramatic episodes of workplace injuries or wildlife poisonings, combined with rigorous scientific proof of harm and public outcry, before the government will act to restrict or ban any chemical. And that is no accident. The current regulatory system allows synthetic chemicals into our lives unless one is proven beyond doubt to be dangerous.
Today, while scientific research worldwide is finding that every one of us carries traces of synthetic chemicals in our bodies, scientists know very little about the risks of these low level exposures. We do know some chemicals are highly toxic. Some are carcinogenic. Others interfere with the reproductive system. Many others likely present no health threat at all.
One thing you should consider is whether or not, on balance, has the use of chemicals been a plus or minus for our species. I say, that on balance, the use of chemicals has been a plus for us, as a species.
No reason not to enforce regulations to protect the public. no fucking excuse. Have you ever watched anyone being eaten alive by preventable cancer. I have
My dad died from small cell scarcinoma. My point is that regulations only work if they are enforced. Which they are not, in my opinion. We cannot, and should not, ban all that may be hazardous to us. We just need to be better stewards of these substance’s.
Name one preventable cancer that you or anyone else can prove was preventable. Maybe skin cancer from sun exposure, other than that it’s educated guesses.
How bout this, let’s blot out the sun?
Radiation induced cancers are well documented.
See Navaho uranium miners.
A source: New England Journal of Medicine abstract.
Link: http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/310/23/1481
“Uranium mining and lung cancer in Navajo men
JM Samet, DM Kutvirt, RJ Waxweiler, and CR Key”
Abstract
See also the radium clock dial painters.
Many more come to mind, but it is not necessary to list more here.
The uranium-mining effects on Navajo has become so iconic that Tony Hillerman used it as a theme in one of his novels.
Bob in AZ
Another ‘gift’ from the white man.
You sound like you are racist. The white man has contributed quite of bit of honorable things to humanity, not the less of which was the end of slavery. Stereotyping any race, be it white, black, red, yellow, or brown, is reprehensible, in my opinion. I say this as PROUD BLACK MAN.
Yes, quite so. And something that has been known on the high plateaus and canyons of Northern Arizona for a very long time. Tragic.
No, let’s leave the sun alone, drop the “what causes it?” blind alley, and instead focus on risk factors. Good synopses of what those are for various substances is at this link.
What’s important is that society reduce risk factors to the minimum. Flooding our planet with herbicides, pesticides, radiation–all the poisons you can name (see @ 39 above)–has created a pool of risk factors that is unprecedented. And taking their toll.
And don’t forget the genes. They always play an important role in a person’s risk for all kinds of ailments and disorders.
I agree we should reduce risk however herbicides, pesticides, radiation have their beneficial uses so what’s it gonna be? Pick your poison so to speak.
Below are three unimpeachable examples.
In the future, one may wish to consider the advice to authors: “Write what you know”. Application of that precept to comments on biomedicine here can spare one from appearing to either be a PR flack and/or abysmally ignorant of basic biology.
I) vinyl chloride causes hemangiosarcoma:
II)
Chrysotile asbestos causes mesothelioma (see link and Secret History of the War on Cancer)
III) Benzene causes leukemia (see below and Secret History of The War on Cancer):
English please… here I’ll help you. Studies have been conducted that show that animals/people exposed to ‘this’ or ‘that’ have higher incidences of X form of cancer. But we can’t conclusively say that it ’caused’ it.
ps, I’m not impressed with “M.D.” Work with them everyday. The fact that you feel the need to display it on a message board speaks volumes.
Hey, whadda ya know, it turns out almost half of all cancers are preventable. May I suggest that if you don’t know what you are talking about, it might be a good idea to google before you blurt things out? Just saying…..
I guess you have not read the comments here..that is the very point many people are making. Not enough research, studies into the effects of the use of chemicals in our environment. Not enough in depth research into the effects of particulate matter released by industry. Go watch Bill Moyers “Trade Secrets” One program that explores how the plastics industry has closed down efforts to study the released of toxic chemicals in our air and water
You’re right, it IS time to bring it up again! Wouldn’t that be a great new PBS program- Take all of the old Moyers programs and do update programs on the issue. It would certainly address that old chestnut about “out of sight, out of mind”. Once these kind of issues are dealt with in some minimally effective way by congress they largely get forgotten. I hope frontline is working on a program bringing us up to date on what’s been happening with the old Exxon Valdez disaster, what bandaid congress slapped on it, what the effects are today, how much Exxon spent on clean-up, how much taxpayers got stuck with (including volunteer environmentalist labor), how mush it has impacted local business and fisheries, and what congress SHOULD have done at the time that might have prevented, or mitigated the later spills.
Slightly OT, but along similar lines…
My wife is doing a research paper/final essay for a class and decided to focus on a topic she found in Thomas Kostigen’s You Are Here; gender differences in the native arctic populations. Through her research I have learned about a chemical chain called PCBs, or Polychlorinated Biphenyls, that seem to be causing a large decrease in the number a males born to those exposed.
During her research she has turned up numerous studies that show these PCBs to be directly correlated to increased cancer rates, polar bears born with male and female reproductive organs, and a marked decrease in male births to populations that have been exposed. There are some studies focusing on a community in Greenland that has had no male babies for a span of about 4 years.
Going back to topic, we have all of this information at hand about these PCBs, yet no federal action has been taken to regulate its’ use in pesticides, fuel tanks, or water bottles. I agree that a “Precautionary Principle” need be applied here. We’re killing far too many people.
Link to PCBs on wiki – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polychlorinated_biphenyl
I still can’t figure out how to make the damn linky thing work.
I just asked the question about linking in the thread previous to this one…down near the end…and got a great little tutorial. Highly reccomended!
Toxic towns: People of Mossville ‘are like an experiment’ – CNN.comFeb 26, 2010 … Gather current and former Mossville, Louisiana, residents in a room and … refineries, a coal-fired energy plant and chemical plants now …
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Dr. Sanjay Gupta reports from Mossville, Louisiana, where …Mar 2, 2010 … Dr. Sanjay Gupta reports from Mossville, Louisiana, where residents say chemical plants are causing diseases – CNN (video) …
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Campaigns – The Center for Health, Environment & JusticeNestled amidst an alarming cluster of chemical plants, Mossville is home to more PVC chemical plants than anywhere else in the entire country, …
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[PDF] Dioxin and PCB Contamination in Mossville, Louisiana:File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat – Quick View
by P Costner – 2000 – Related articles
identifying the effects of chemical exposure in Mossville. …. “Calcasieu Parish contains a large number of chemical manufacturing plants that produce …
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and just like that,
American Cancer Society calls Presidential Panel Report “Alarmist”
loo hoo @10
lol.
but how do we know what we’re eating.
i’ve tried working your way thru a bottle of store-brand (synthetic) soy sauce – god what a list of chemicals.
Ew so sorry about your families battle with cancer. I went on a rampage about 15 years ago in the southeastern Ohio area due to one friend after another ( six friends between the ages of40-55 at that time) dropping dead due to different forms of cancer. Read as much as I could. Started mapping all of the people in our area dropping dead or hit with cancer. Talking with Doctors and epidemeologists in our region and taking a few trips to some hearings on cancer clusters in the U.S. in D.C. Most of the Doctors in our region call southeastern Ohio “Cancer corridor”
The way industry (coal burning power plants etc) are able to keep the effects of regulations not being enforced and the effects of particulate matter and other dangerous pathogens from entering the environment is by interfering enough in efforts to set up in-depth studies into cancer clusters in a region.
The folks who were moved from Cheshire Ohio had to sign agreements that they would not sue AEP for health reasons in the future. Forget what their monetary pay offs were.
Cheshire Ohio
“It’s a pretty strange occurrence for an entire town to be wiped off the map in the span of two or three years. That’s what makes the case of this Gallia County hamlet so noteworthy. Cheshire, a town located just upriver from Point Pleasant, WV (where the infamous Mothman was sighted in the late 1960s), is in the process of becoming Ohio’s latest ghost town. Instead of a flood or a hurricane or hard times, what’s wiping out this little town is energy giant American Electric Power, which operates the massive James M. Gavin coal-fueled power plant just a few hundred feet away from the city limits sign.”
Tried to get one of our local papers (Athens News) to dig in to cancer rates in our region. But the only thing the ego maniacal owner and publisher of the A News Bruce Mitchell did was a story about his own encounter with cancer and went no further. Clearly the paper was not into doing any in depth investigating on this issue.
Dr. Phillip Landrigan sure is a great source and cancer clusters. One of the best books that I read about the subject of cancer clusters was “Living downstream” By Dr. Sandra Steingraber
“Environmental Contamination and Chronic Diseases/Disease Clusters — Hearing Before the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works — June 11, 2001”
I don’t understand why you feel that we need to “shut down” industries, because they use harmful materials, that may escape into the enviroment. Why I say this is that it is, and has always been a fact that everything is potentialy hazardous to one’s health, depending on exposure levels. Hell, the first hazardous material we “tamed” is fire. People get injured and even die, from over exposure to this material. Do you want to ban the use of fire? And is it not a fact that we have many regulations pertaining to the use of hazardous materials already on the books, that are not being enforced by those charged with enforcement? Do we really need more regulations that won’t be enforced? And as to the “underfunding” of enforcement programs, I don’t buy that argument in the least. I have never heard of any program that claims to be over funded, have you? I say, make them do their jobs, and stop accepting their excuses.
Nice straw man ya got there. It is perfectly reasonable to demand that businesses that produce harmful products or by-products be expected to be clean neighbors. Do YOU want to live next door, or down stream of a pesticide company that is irresponsible with it’s mess? Do YOU have the power to make them stop poisoning your family? Or do you need a more powerful entity, say, the federal government to help you get justice? This is not essentially a lack of will to enforce existing regulations. This is an issue of American business culture that puts profit ahead of people’s lives. And willful ignorance. We could fix these issues if we didn’t have so many people and politicians who are paid to ignore or misunderstand the problems and solutions.
Thats bull shit. Some of the most horrific enviromental problems come from countries who’s government’s controls production. The old USSR comes to mind. Were they putting profits ahead of people’s lives? What about Russia today? How about China? You attribute motivations to companies that you cannot substantiate.
So you live in a binary world where corporations and government may be good or evil, but always polar opposites? You’re obviously a troll, but I hope you’ll learn to be a better one. The ol’ “godless commies” justification is so trite. You might as well threaten to go all Galt on us.
Here, I’ll help you out. In the city where i was born there was an interesting experiment done. They injected unknowing volunteers with plutonium because they didn’t know what would happen if they did. Maybe it helps fight cavities after all? Would you want those same government bureaucrats determining what levels of chemicals are safe for your children?
See, based on facts, easily search-able on the internet. Now its debatable as a stance, but not utterly transparent. At least make it interesting for us, don’t just through out some general excuse about environmental disasters in nebulous commie countries. You just invite a discussion on whether the US or capitalistic countries have polluted more or less than the commies. You’ve set yourself up for a loss without any entertainment value what-so-ever. The last thing you want is for people to starting talking about motivations which is the real issue no matter the monetary system (how can societies so different have the same problems). Then they’ll see they actually have a lot in common with say, the Chinese, since they pollute to make our cheap crap cheaper among other reasons. The whole thing is tied up in consumerism, short term profits, and making a handful of people very very rich. Even people with “government managed economies” as you call it. So how can there be rich communists they’ll wonder, isn’t the whole point besides sacrificing American babies under the light of the full moon to share the wealth evenly. Its almost like the whole thing is just a big shame, a scheme to divide people so that the oligarchies can maintain control.
Oh and stay away from ‘regulations’. The “more regulations sux, enforce the ones we have” spiel just leads to people questioning the regulatory process itself and is tantamount to saying “make the government represent the people”. You won’t get any troll points reminding the peasants they’re supposed to have input into the system.
Interesting response, but I’m curious about this:
Would you want those same government bureaucrats determining what levels of chemicals are safe for your children?
So you are against these government bureaucrats and rightfully so, but you (and most on here) are okay with other government bureaucrats? Because the general solution I read on here is that more government is better.
Who decides which government bureaucrats are good and needed?
I don’t think the problem lies in whether the person responsible works for the government or business. It doesn’t matter and we see examples of that every day in the failures of different systems. It really only matters that they have the safety of my children as their first goal, are able to do their jobs effectively, are accountable to the public, and are not the only line of defense. Profit doesn’t even enter into it. The idea of redundancy should apply in public life as well as private. If a single part fails the power grid will route around it so that my house doesn’t lose power. If a single agency fails why should it be any different. That’s supposed to be the job of government, to ensure the safety of its people (among other things). Private enterprise is no substitute for proper government. The founding fathers didn’t say anything about corporations in their system of checks and balances for a reason. Decades of propaganda to the contrary, there is nothing wrong with regulations or government in and of themselves. Its the people in the process that makes the difference in every case.
So you ask, would I rather live under Mussolini or Stalin? I say neither, its a false choice. Its time we got back to living in a democracy. Secretly(?) hated by many on the right and left, its our only hope for better lives like it or not.
Do you know how to read? It appears you don’t, as I said none of what you attribute to me. I responded to a specific post, that attributed things to companies that are not necessarily true. My point being that companies may have spoiled the enviroment by the processing of chemicals, but, it seems to be just a by product of the process, not based on greed, as alledged. That is why I pointed out Governments who controlled the process. Their enviromental records are just as bad, if not worse than, for profit companies. My belief is that Govenments and Companies can be both good and bad, not either/or. Tell me, should I give communist countries a pass on their enviromental record? WHY? Are they not just as guilty?
Where’s your usual comment numbers?
Could be what you’re implying here sounds way too Scandinavian, or even post-Enlightenment French. The Founders clearly favored the tried-and-true imperial model based on the Roman, Spanish and British experiences, more along the lines of the current booms in central Africa and mainland China.
People are an independently renewable resource for production and consumption. Regulations are overhead, particularly expensive when it comes maintaining people’s health, and self-defeating when it comes to adhering to the model.
In 1957 I lived in Houston which is very hot and humid and so has a huge mosquito problem. Every evening in the summer these large tanker trucks would come around and spray DDT. It’s a wonder any of us are still alive today.
Ever hear of Cancer Alley?This film deals with chemical refineries near Houston,in neighboring SW Louisiana.
Blue Vinyl | Bullfrog Films: 1-800-543-3764: Environmental DVDs …One of Sundance’s best documentaries.” Roger Ebert, Chicago Sun-Times. “Blue Vinyl is a kind of ecological detective story that provides humor along with …
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Thanks, I’ll look into that. I haven’t lived in Houston since that year and I remember that the air didn’t smell clean.
While I agree with you that there is a lack of adequate regulation (and many of the regulations in place are poorly enforced), there is a reason why the process is structured the way it is. We have to prove harm, rather than the companies proving them harmless, because you cannot prove a negative. There is absolutely no way to prove that anything is completely harmless. On the other hand, it would be possible to require them to screen for more routine effects, so they should be required to do some sorts of screening before new chemical uses are approved (not unlike current drug testing).
It’s a GREAT film-and covers many other locales in addition to the Gulf Coast.
Everyone here should familairize themselves with this documentary-especially the ladies…and/or those who work in oilfield and chemical industries.
fatster @16
i have similar memories.
during late childhood and teenage years i could not even guess how many chemicals i used personally (let alone was exposed to) on ours or my uncle’s farm.
and NOBODY wore a mask or chemical gloves; it would have been considered a sissy thing to do – had they been available.
at least nowadays i see workers in many fields using masks, gloves, respirators.
the carpenter who works with me now wears a full cartridge respirator when he sprays lacquer, but talks about times when he worked for his dad in a cabinet/mill work shop in the ’70’s, when he sprayed lacquer without a mask.
malathion (“organophosphate” – we came to learn that name much later) was a very popular insecticide. we used in everywhere, not just on field crops but in the garden.
we were ignorant as hell.
and the ag extension guys, helping us decide what to use on what, were no better informed than we were.
nobody had a sense of anything but “boy, this stuff works.”
Josh Mull has a fresh cross-post available: Times Square Terrorism: Examining the Impact of Drone Strikes
Article about this at Truthout by Valerie Brown [includes some dissent about the report from predictable groups]:
Link
Synergistic effects.
Not in any way considered by the regulatory process.
See “‘inert’ ingredients” for proof that industry believes there is such a thing as synergy.
With over 82,000 known chemicals being used in manufacturing, farming or energy production, it’s hard to fathom that anyone anywhere thinks we’re being protected by these industries or by the federal government. On top of that, over 700 new chemicals are being added to the mix every year.
The sole purpose of the chemical industry is to make money. We are merely their guinea pigs.
Hummm so you seem to be of the opinion that all chemical companies, world wide, only are in business to make a profit, at the expense of the public. That seems to be a very narrow minded opinion, does it not? Seems you are leaving out a lot of chemical producers from countries that control the means of production. Are you of the opinion that these producers are enviromentally responsible enities? Do tell.
After that brief interruption, this is what I wanted to add to this discussion:
Searching the report of the President’s Cancer Panel link provided by EW above in the post it is found that there are six occurrences of the word ‘synergistic’.
From page 109 of the pdf:
There is a well documented lack of research in the interactions between the many different approved drugs; and when the drugs are dosed through the unmonitored contamination of the drinking water supply, in combination with the other contaminants which are not regulated drugs, we are all the test subjects.
There is no consent to the experiment, and in addition, there is very little collection of the experimental data.
thanks for this post, ew. my immediate family is also 3/5 for cancer. my other brother and i have resorted to black humor: who’s next, and what form will it take.
my related soap box rant is the over-prescription of meds, especially to the elderly. in the last years of their lives my parents’ pill boxes were like a mini-pharmacy. every time the doctor would try to put my mom on yet another drug, i’d pull out all the bottles and ask how this new drug interacts with this one…and this one…and this one.
i’ll never forgot a doctor in Stanford Hospital who prescribed yet another med for my Mom, and when i protested responded that she’s had patient’s on 15 meds or more, so my mom’s pile o’pills was just fine. that she had no problem with a patient being on 15 drugs at once floors me still.
EW,
Here’s another one in the news lately, although this particular summary is old:
Perchlorates: Report on Widespread Rocket Fuel Pollution in Nation’s Food and Water
Perchlorates don’t degrade very fast. They are known to be toxic, but are not known to be carcinogens, so far as I know.
Groundwater has also become polluted with hormones– from unused birth control pills, etc.– that have confused the reproductive system of fish and other marine animals. For example, from this pdf report:
These kinds of pollutants are increasingly common in the “gray water” used to water golf courses and lawns.
Bob in AZ
The comments here of some are obvious for what they are.
It is not a bad thing that the clear evidence of environmentally caused cancers and other illnesses have been added to this thread so that other visitors reading these comments may have access to this additional information.
Some of the arguments and argumentative skills of the non believers are also on display.
For instance at another site a comment was posted
I haven’t provided the link, the context, or the commentor.
They’re here right now.
Just so you know.
Do you know the differance between a lie and being incorrect? I don’t think you do, judging by your post.
Do you know the difference between disagreeing and being disagreeable?
I don’t think you do, judging by your post.
Not saying (yea I am)
Just saying
crohgan @47
thanks for that first hand account.
corexit doesn’t sound like a fun chemical to work with even if it does the job.
gitchegumee @61
can i play too?
toxic towns:
google: libby,montana +vermiculite +grace co.
The Mossville,Louisiana location is showcased in the movie I referred to above,Blue Vinyl.
Recently the OAS has gotten involved in the pollution issues there.
In addition to assorted chemical refineries,there are both Citgo and Conoco oil refineries.
There’s a GREAT deal of history with this area.And for the adjacent residents,and immediate community in general, the environmental track record is abysmal.And the media has been for the most part deaf,dumb and blind.
Gee, I wonder WHY? s/
I used J. Peter Grace Reagan asbestos:
And found a Book.
“Management of Health Risks from Environment and Food- Policy and Politics of Health Risk Management in Five Countries-Asbestos and BSE” By Hajime Sato Editor.
Google Book has excerpts HERE
See the excerpt for more on Libby MT and the ‘regulators’.
They were celebrating the election results.
It paid off.
to: “emptywheel”‘s caring commenters
from: orionATL
subject: playing catch-me-if-you-can in order to disrupt threads of conversation.
here is the lists of “hatenomore”‘s contributions to “firedoglake”.note that the comments are uniformly couched as defenses of republican activity.
note also how often his/her comments appear near the top of the comments column.
http://firedoglake.com/search/?cx=012863467380897931540%3Abacmcr9sohw&cof=FORID%3A11&ie=UTF-8&q=hatenomore&sa=Search&siteurl=firedoglake.com%2F#1961
Veddy interesting…..now if the comments are all between 9 to 5, that should be equally interesting, don’t you think?
Yes, We are currently taking applications for full time resident troll exterminator. We had a long term professional in the position. Paid him well and fed him crunchy little underbridge snacks regularly. But he has gone all wobbly and truant on us. Very disappointing.
Hummmm So,you seem to have a problem with those of us who see the world through other than your knee jerk lens, is that it? As a Proud Black MAN, I resent the implications of your post.
This should be of interest, hatenomor:
Is pollution in small town La. a case of environmental racism?Apr 23, 2010 … Fields were replaced with houses and chemical plants. … Decades after the first chemical companies moved in, Mossville … About three and a half hours west of New Orleans, there’s a town — Mossville, Louisiana. …
http://www.thegrio.com/…/is-pollution-in-small-town-la-a-case-of-environmental-racism.php – Cached
Sorry, the link appears to be a 404.
However, Glen Ford has some hum dingers re : BP AND nuclear pollution.
One of my fave sites I have recommended MANY times in the past,here:
Black Agenda Reportwww.blackagendareport.com/ – Similar
Here it is:
Is pollution in small town La. a case of environmental racism? ; Alex Presha; 4/23/10
Are you a blessing ,or what? TY to the max!
Aw, shucks…[blushing]
You may find this piece by Walter Williams of interest: http://townhall.com/columnists/WalterEWilliams/2010/05/05/black_americans_and_liberty
The link doesn’t work.
By the way, I am not a republican, but do consider myself a “free thinker”, that does not beleive discourse on any matter should only include what is wrong with america. Unlike you, who seems to only post the negative, while ignoring the positive.
Pay hatenomor no mind, orion.
It has been pulling this s*** at the rest of the site for weeks, hoping to draw some fire.
And facts are it’s enemy.
gitchegumee @65
this is one little place i have not heard of, but it certainly is in the right part of the world to have severe environmental issue due to oil refinery and chemicals manufacture.
i believe louisiana state politics has a great deal to do with maintaining an unhealthy status quo. i know of those politics only thru the eyes of one of my brothers, who viewed trhem with awe and contempt as a unique brand of southern corruption.
There is very little corruption that can rival Louisana political corruption…Spillzilla is looking like the most likely ,current contender,however.
I beleive the corruption in Washington far out paces the corruption in Louseyanna.
Well I suppose it is a matter of perspective.
They are both surrounded by swamps and the attendant creatures who thrive in murky marshland .
Truer words have not ever been spoken.
bmaz @68
you were paying a troll exterminator when the site had full-time moderators and a part-time lawyer-bouncer?
what kind of businessman are you?
You simply cannot find talent like Freep on any corner you know. Since he specified payment in “special brownies”, we thought it was very reasonable and an excellent business decision.
Still am reading the thread. Freepat*s dialup internet provider likely is the same outfit provisioning my neighborhood8s failsafe landline connectivity. His recommendation in favor of the efficacity of catapults for…and …apults applied to the leader of an organization entangled in some turpitude, was a classic, a few months ago now.
It was a bit bizarre to read the American Cancer Society*s dismissive characterization of the current report from the administration*s cancer study panel, though ACS* vantage has its own innate merits. ew*s excerpts from the instant report reminded me of nearly identical language in a 10,000 page EIR I studied for a few years thirty years since. In the years following, regulatory changes appeared, and some of the exalted bureaucratic sounding prose had some of the implementation effects the original report recommended. I worked in both bioscience and its correlated part of law a while, and can appreciate the scale of reaction the current report might induce in organizations like the Western Chemical Association. One of the early scandals in falsification of lab reports on toxic chemicals was the Industrial BioTest matter; another early geographically condensed sensation in the news was a place called Love Canal. Technology, and government oversight, change over time. It is difficult now to find online some early monographs on then extant pesticides in one EIR process; however, a few years ago I rediscovered the author*s current business in a law office in Philadelphia; his group had written 70-200pp studies in that project on 6-7 pesticides, malathion, endosulfan, toxaphene, methomyl, carbaryl, methyl bromide; there was a political smokescreen about whether parathion was in the set of monographs but research never drawn to final edited form nor ever published. I had drafted a 300pp review of part of that library of documents, as well; nothing to mention more specifically, whether this thread is freep*d aor simply left to knell the messages from the clatch of Republican apologetes who have paid a kind threadVisit today here.
Well everyone who stops by can chew on this (note: IBT is Industrial Bio-Test labs Inc. see below):
Link to above ( see #4)
What were the FDA concers with respect to IBT?:
Link for above (see #2).
What could go wrong?
**…?could go wrong?**
Interesting question (rhetorical though it is). The IBT scandal set off a few investigations, one in a legislature and state agencies in a locale which produced the 10,000pp EIR which I mentioned.
At that time, FDA lagged 5 years to report its food product assays, blaming data aggregation tediousness. Now, a lot more agencies are part of the pall of nonanalysis, and many industries* **leadership**, and their revolved-door ex-government hired regulators now-lobbyists have perfected targeting of information-deflection.
I*ve got to catch up with the thread; there is some interesting material.
fallon, nevada
home to a naval bombing range
is another small town that may be caught up in an environmental pollution problem, this one from jet fuel dumped from
navy planes.
hanford, washington
former home to hanford nuclear arsenal.
the problem is pollution from bomb production waste.
bmaz @74
my god, of course,
how could i forget freep,
a unique talent even in the very specialized world of de-trolling,
and funny as hell to boot.
he’s worth every special browny he was ever paid.
i thought the little crunchies under the bridge were trolls being consumed.
Black Agenda Report
What If BP Were A Human Being?
Wed, 05/05/2010 – 14:00 — Bruce A. Dixon
What if BP, the principal corporate entity responsible for the monstrous oil well rupture a mile beneath Gulf of Mexico were a human being, a flesh and blood person instead of a faceless transnational corporation? It’s a fair and simple question, and the answers tell us a lot more about the world we live in.
Bruce A. Dixon’s blog
Putting Nukes In A Poor Black GA Town: If A Black President Does It, Is It Still Environmental Racism?
Wed, 05/05/2010 – 11:44 — Bruce A. Dixon
by BAR managing editor Bruce A. Dixon
In the weeks since President Obama announced $8.3 billion in loan guarantees to build new nuclear reactors next to an existing pair of nukes in mostly black Burke County, GA, the inconvenient questions, unanswered and mostly unasked, continue to pile up.
NOTE: Black Agenda Report pulls NO punches and does some of the best pieces,imo,on the web.
Well worth a look and a listen.
Those were some really good articles, Gitcheegumee!
Here’s the link to Dixon’s
Siting Nukes in a Poor Black Town–If a Black President Does It, is It Still Environmental Racism?
This is off topic but I’ve been planning to use this one in a blog
Freedom Rider: Obama’s Supreme Court
That might be a timely thing to write about quite soon. [hint :-) ]
If Kagan’s the nominee, I will NOT be a happy camper.
Okay folks. We have dealt with the interloper at issue in the tail end of this thread. A lot of people read us, and not all of them are of the general ilk of the purveyor of the blog and the bad cop prick in the desert she keeps around, nor most of the regular long time commenters. That is okay, and is tolerated so long as interlopers are not making asses of themselves and/or hijacking/destroying threads; when we become convinced that line has been crossed, they are dealt with. By the same token, when they do show up, please do not take the bait and drift into the same ugliness or slime they bring. Thank you.
newtoner @87
thank you for those words, i was expecting to be sanctioned instead.
i agree compleyely with the principle of ignoring.
in this case, though, the issue ew rsised in this post is of great personal interest.
it is also one of the key public health issues in the u.s.
the issue of enviromental injustice is long-standing in this country and a major concern of professional organizations like the amer public health assn (not a membr, not in any way professionally connected to ph).
the larger issue of introducing chemicals willy-nilly into the populace’s bloodstream is an even more important pub health issue.
those matters had a chance of being discussed here today, and were, but in a less coherent manner than could have been.
observe the quality and breadth of the commentary in the morning.
after hatenomore began his/herbassault, interest waned and only the
heartiest, most determined contributors continued on with the discussion.
but even we could no longer sustain the intellectual and emotional depth.
there are three troll “facts” at work here:
1. every person has a right to speak their mind on a public issue.
corollary: we don’t dismiss dissenters from the common view.
2. ignore trolls, or do no more than discuss those of their points that are relevant
3. when trolls are allowed to play their disruptive game on a post the effect on the quality of the discussion is usually ( not always) highly destructive.
corollary 1: discussion among frequent participants is disrupted
corollary 2. new contributors are discouraged from participating by their clear sense of trolling occurring.
ignoring is a good strategy, but a passive one.
trolling usually damages duscussions fatally.
Excuse me, but you are not, in my opinion, concerned with discussing this subject. Rather, you seem, as do others, on this site, more concerned with documenting and regurgitating problems that exist within the industry. As if no one is aware that this problem exists, and you, and your co-horts are the only ones who are aware of the problems, so you feel it is your duty to overstate the obvious. And the way you frame your posts, it’s as if these companies are only in business to screw us, which is just plain absurd.
All of you really ought to read this: http://potency.berkeley.edu/pdfs/Paustenbach.pdf.
Short summary: A third of all cancer cases in the US are the result of tobacco use. Another third comes from poor diet. The rest are accounted for by a mix of chronic infections, hormonal factors, and genetics. There’s little to no sound evidence for environmental factors as a significant risk. Furthermore, rodent models of carcinogenicity are very poorly correlated with clinical outcomes — an evening’s sport can be made of counting the chemicals naturally present in common foodstuffs that are known or suspected rodent carcinogens.
piercenichols @90
1.one study proves nothing, especially in the abscence of supporting professional scientific context.
2. your comment is much too smug.
3. scientific curiosity and openness are not your thing.
smoking may well account for 30% if cancer deaths in the u.s. it certainly smoking cause a surprising range of cancers other than lung cancer, that’s for sure- all parts of mouth, the throat, larynx, and esophsgus, pancreas, and bladder.
but that other 70%?
to infer that “the environment” ( hidden message- chemicals) may not be a problem is to display a wish to clise down an issue for investigation when it should be opened up.
the study analyzes cancer.
what of birth defects, stillborn, learning disabilites, chronic disease,
reproductive anomalies in a range of animal species including humans.
Are you unaware of how many lives have been improved because of the chemical industry? I think not, as your posts only reflect the negative aspects, while ignoring the benefits to mankind this industry has provided.
I took a look at your record, such that it may be. Not a lot of overly constructive participation. Parting is always such sweet sorrow…..
Try this:
http://www.thegrio.com/news/is-pollution-in-small-town-la-a-case-of-environmental-racism.php
piercenochols @90
do you know who/what the FRASER INSTITUTE is?
are you directly or indirectly associated with the fraser institute?
do you not think it would have been sporting to note that
1. the impressive sounding article from berkeley was published by the fraser institute?
2. that the fraser institute is a free-market conservative think tank with fredrich hyack as one of its founders.
3. that the fraser institute has supported the abolition of minimum wage.
4. AND MOST UNFORGIVEABLE,
the fraser institute was a LEADER in characterising research supporting the damage to our bodies done by smoking
as “junk science”, an industry/corporate codeword everywhere.
in short, piercenichol, you are now using smoking cancer research – previously labeled “junk science”- to support an argument that smoking is what folks should worry abour re:cancer,
not chemicals.
who’s paying you to do this?
obviously some part of the chemical industry.
Ha! The recomendation I got is similar:
Walter Williams:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Walter_Williams_(Economics_professor)
at:
Townhall.com
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Townhall.com
Look at the list of contributors and members.
Isn’t Townhall one of Breitbart’s sites?
I know that Ken Blackwell writes a regular column there.
Ken Blackwell
Mr. Blackwell, a contributing editor at Townhall.com, is a senior fellow at the Family Research Council and American Civil Rights Union. He is the co-author of the forthcoming book The Blueprint: Obama’s Plan to Subvert the Constitution and Build an Impreial Presidency.
I don’t know. Blackwell is mentioned in the link at SourceWatch to Salem Communications Corporation, which now owns townhall.com
Ever hear of Mr. EVIL,aka Rick Berman?
So much of this obfuscation of scientific research ,especially regarding tobacco, sends off signals to me.
Since you are a big fan of Sourcewatch,as am I, you may want to research Berman and his track record of defending the indefensible..as Sourcewatch has a special tobacco lobbyist section.
Perhaps this thread has been infested with Berman’s vermin.
Berman is worthy of a thread all by himself…and I don’t mean that in a nice way,to be PERFECTLY clear.
And to harpie @ 102:
I thought source check or quick skim.
I should have done what you did.
Maybe…but I learned something interesting from your analysis, so thanks!
It seemed a productive use of time; but when I had trouble deciding what to debunk, that was the clue to back up and figure out what that bad smell was.
There is not much doubt now what smelled.
you mudt enter some text
From the link you submitted: on page 16 appears the following:
And from the same source:
There was some recent coverage of the issue of contaminated cooking oil in China.
Here is a New York Times story ;an excerpt:
Also from the New York Times story:
Here is a another related report from Raw Story; and an excerpt:
Contaminated,maybe with sewage, but cheaper…What could go wrong?
How about…it might cause cancer too.
While I haven’t had time to go through the entire chapter, this is one example where small changes in a system can lead to significant negative results. For example since very little of our food is imported from places like China, and it all of the highest quality, and well inspected then there must be little risk of scenarios like these occurring here.
It might be a matter of interest to know whether the current level of aflatoxin contamination in cooking oil significantly differs from previous levels; I suspect that the data are not present for this analysis.
harpie @102
great spot!
muckracker!
george mason economics dept would be aperfect refuge for an ax-grinding ideologue.
george mason is such an embarrassment to the virginia univ system, a second-rate, right-wing, univ of chicago knock-off where economics and political science are concerned.
that said, a dear young man graduated from it’s law school with his good judgement, sense of humor, and principles intact – no john yoo he.
I didn’t know that about George Mason. Look at this about Salem Communications:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Salem_Communications_Corporation
[I just love Sourcewatch!]
I find it useful too.
George Mason University on Sourcewatch: HERE
George Mason University School of Law formerly employed Ronald Rotunda. See HERE:
Look what turned up:
There was a link provided @90.
From that this is the label on the first page of the 38 page pdf:
D Paustenbach according to Sourcewatch:
Some previous experience…LOL.. EXPONENT!
How about ‘regulating’ for Dubya Bush :
I’ll stop with this:
But if one follows the link to Sourcewatch there are even more names and details. Go there to see what case he was involved in that inspired a major motion picture!
From a link on the SourceWatch page about George Mason:
TRUST NAMES WENDY LEE GRAMM
THE CLEAN AIR ‘VILLAIN OF THE MONTH’ [January2002]
http://www.cleanairtrust.org/villain.0102.html
qweryous @103
yours is a very interesting and important comment.
my layman’s knowledge is that aflotoxins are a major cause of stomach cancer and arise out of food storage problems inciting mold.
it’s one thing to harvest and store 1/2 acre of p’nuts. that does not take much technology,
but 10 acres?
that’s another whole bag of p’nuts, uh, magnitude of storage problems unless
you break everything down into your old 1/2 acre storage technologyy.
p.s. qweryous,
paustenbach, as you have discovered is as immoral a “scientist” as you will ever meet.
check out his fraudelent re-writing of a chinese study on, i believe, chromium, to completely change the original scientific conclusions and cause the epa to back-off of a, probably, much needed regulation.
p.s.
i have always admired your psuedonym as one of the cleverest plays on letters and words. :-)
later found out and caused embarrassment to the publishing journal.
appointed by g.w. to the scientific advisory board of a tiny but potentially very govt agency.
It was a good illustration of well documented synergistic effects, and not very complicated. Spoiled food, some contaminated recycled cooking oil, and things get worse.
The movie related link also has to do with a chromium compound.
As did this situation involving Oregon and Indiana National Guard soldiers.
First LINK
Second LINK
At the time these United States soldiers were exposed, KBR was a subsidiary of Halliburton
Whether one believes or not. I read state of california allowed a pesticide recently for spraying on strawberry fields which is used in the laboratories to artificially induce cancer in mice. So now even if one eats healthy food like Strawberries loaded with anti-oxidants one is prone to cancer. Later the complaint will be of soaring health care costs due to high rates of cancer.
Yep.this is the state where simple common-sense & logic is thrown out for corporate campaign contributions and long term problems are self-created.
And where did you read that? Thnx.
They approved methyl iodide to replace methyl bromide
I skimmed over it yesterday too (for my Science Friday post, but used something else [click my name]) … forget which website where I saw it, but found this
http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100504/full/news.2010.218.html
Check THIS out,harpie:
Salem Communications Buys HotAir.com
By David Weigel 2/17/10 9:49 AM Colby Hall has the scoop:
Mediaite has learned that leading center-right web site Hot Air has been acquired by Salem Communications for an undisclosed sum. Sources close to the deal claim that Michelle Malkin, the conservative pundit and sole owner of Hot Air, has been in talks with Salem for some time, but the announcement was timed to coincide with the Conservative Political Action Conference, which opens tomorrow in Washington D.C.
Salem, which operates Townhall.com, actually gets around 90 percent of its revenue from talk radio, which is mostly Christian radio and political hosts, including: Bill Bennett, Michael Medved, and Hugh Hewitt.
NOTE: Gee, can you imagine PAYING blowhards to spew “hot air”?
FWIW, the political donations listed for Salem Communications in the 2008 cycle reflect that not even ONE Democrat received any donations. ALL Repubs.
And remarkably enough, at least to me, the top recipient was…drumroll, please….Norm Coleman-surpassing even runnerup, Mitch McConnell.
Political Candidates Receiving Contributions/Support in the ’08 Election Cycle from
SALEM COMMUNICATIONS CORPORATION POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE
Candidate Name Office Party State District Primary/
General $ Dollar
Amount Date
COLEMAN, NORM Senate Republican MN — G $4,000 09/03/2008
COLEMAN, NORM Senate Republican MN — G $1,000 06/18/2008
COLEMAN, NORM Senate Republican MN — P $1,000 02/20/2007
COLEMAN, NORM Senate Republican MN — P $2,500 12/27/2007
MCCONNELL, MITCH Senate Republican KY — P $2,000 03/19/2008
MCCONNELL, MITCH Senate Republican KY — P $2,000 08/15/2007
MCCONNELL, MITCH Senate Republican KY — G $1,000 08/19/2008
MCCONNELL, MITCH Senate Republican KY — G $3,000 10/06/2008
Salem Communications Corporation Political Action Committee 2008 …Jan 25, 2010 … Salem Communications Corporation Political Action Committee 2008 – Money, Politics, Committees, Elections in 2008, Campaign Finance, Money, …
Show map of 4880 Santa Rosa Rd, Camarillo, CA 93012
http://www.campaignmoney.com/…/salem-communications-corporation-political-action-committee.asp?... – Cached
Political Activism
The founders of Salem Communications support various religious causes. Epperson was recently reported in Time magazine as one of the “25 Most Influential Evangelicals in America.” In 2004 he co-chaired Americans of Faith, a religiously-based Republican electoral campaign. Both founders have served on the Council for National Policy. They gave $100,000 to the Bush presidential reelection campaign and $780,000 to the 2000 “California Defense of Marriage Act” (Proposition 22) ballot measure.[8] WIKI
NOTE: I mentioned Breitbart upthread.
Well, earlier this year, in the Landrieu incident involving Breitbart’s teabugger buddies, the CNP and Morton Blackwell were discussed here at great length.The archives can provide further material for those who are so interested.
As FDR said, in politics,nothing is coincidental.
After a bout of breast cancer I looked into cancer organizations to decide where to donate money. I learned that the big cancer organizations are funded by many of the same corporations responsible for the environmental causes of cancer and those making money off of cancer. These organizations focus on detection and treatment (which enrich the medical industry) but won’t touch the environmental causes of cancer. I now donate only to The Breast Cancer Fund and Breast Cancer Action both of which have good mission statements and principles. Look them up and stop donating to the corporate cancer organizations.