Holder to Republicans: Stop Being Such WATBs about Miranda Warnings and Mukasey's Decisions

Eric Holder just sent the following letter to a bunch of whiny Republican Senators trying to make an issue about Americans respecting the rule of law. (I’m posting the whole thing bc there’s a lot of excellent smack down in it.)


Dear Senator McConnell:

I am writing in reply to your letter of January 26,2010, inquiring about the decision to charge Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab with federal crimes in connection with the attempted bombing of Northwest Airlines Flight 253 near Detroit on December 25, 2009, rather than detaining him under the law of war. An identical response is being sent to the other Senators who joined in your letter.

The decision to charge Mr. Abdulmutallab in federal court, and the methods used to interrogate him, are fully consistent with the long-established and publicly known policies and practices of the Department of Justice, the FBI, and the United States Government as a whole, as implemented for many years by Administrations of both parties. Those policies and practices, which were not criticized when employed by previous Administrations, have been and remain extremely effective in protecting national security. They are among the many powerful weapons this country can and should use to win the war against al-Qaeda.

I am confident that, as a result of the hard work of the FBI and our career federal prosecutors, we will be able to successfully prosecute Mr. Abdulmutallab under the federal criminal law. I am equally confident that the decision to address Mr. Abdulmutallab’s actions through our criminal justice system has not, and will not, compromise our ability to obtain information needed to detect and prevent future attacks.

There are many examples of successful terrorism investigations and prosecutions, both before and after September 11, 2001, in which both of these important objectives have been achieved — all in a manner consistent with our law and our national security interests. Mr. Abdulmutallab was questioned by experienced counterterrorism agents from the FBI in the hours immediately after the failed bombing attempt and provided intelligence, and more recently, he has provided additional intelligence to the FBI that we are actively using to help protect our country. We will continue to share the information we develop with others in the intelligence community and actively follow up on that information around the world.

1. Detention. I made the decision to charge Mr. Abdulmutallab with federal crimes, and to seek his detention in connection with those charges, with the knowledge of, and with no objection from, all other relevant departments ofthe government. On the evening of December 25 and again on the morning of December 26, the FBI informed its partners in the Intelligence Community that Abdulmutallab would be charged criminally, and no agency objected to this course of action. In the days following December 25 – including during a meeting with the President and other senior members of his national security team on January 5 – high-level discussions ensued within the Administration in which the possibility of detaining Mr. Abdulmutallab under the law of war was explicitly discussed. No agency supported the use of law of war detention for Abdulmutallab, and no agency has since advised the Department of Justice that an alternative course of action should have been, or should now be, pursued.

Since the September 11,2001 attacks, the practice of the U.S. government, followed by prior and current Administrations without a single exception, has been to arrest and detain under federal criminal law all terrorist suspects who are apprehended inside the United States. The prior Administration adopted policies expressly endorsing this approach. Under a policy directive issued by President Bush in 2003, for example, “the Attorney General has lead responsibility for criminal investigations of terrorist acts or terrorist threats by individuals or groups inside the United States, or directed at United States citizens or institutions abroad, where such acts are within the Federal criminal jurisdiction of the United States, as well as for related intelligence collection activities within the United States.” Homeland Security Presidential Directive 5 (HSPD-5, February 28,2003). The directive goes on to provide that “(following a terrorist threat or an actual incident that falls within the criminal jurisdiction of the United States, the full capabilities of the United States shall be dedicated, consistent with United States law and with activities of other Federal departments and agencies to protect our national security, to assisting the Attorney General to identify the perpetrators and bring them to justice.”

In keeping with this policy, the Bush Administration used the criminal justice system to convict more than 300 individuals on terrorism-related charges. For example, Richard Reid, a British citizen, was arrested in December 2001 for attempting to ignite a shoe bomb while on a flight from Paris to Miami carrying 184 passengers and 14 crewmembers. He was advised of his right to remain silent and to consult with an attorney within five minutes of being removed from the aircraft (and was read or reminded of these rights a total of four times within 48 hours), pled guilty in October 2002, and is now serving a life sentence in federal prison. In 2003, Iyman Faris, a U.S. citizen from Pakistan, pled guilty to conspiracy and providing material support to al- Qaeda for providing the terrorist organization with information about possible U.S. targets for attack. Among other things, he was tasked by al-Qaeda operatives overseas to assess the Brooklyn Bridge in New York City as a possible post-9/11 target of destruction. After initially providing significant information and assistance to law enforcement personnel, he was sentenced to 20 years in prison. In 2002, the “Lackawanna Six” were charged with conspiring, providing, and attempting to provide material support to al-Qaeda based upon their pre-9/11 travel to Afghanistan to train in the Al Farooq camp operated by al-Qaeda. They pled guilty, agreed to cooperate, and were sentenced to terms ranging from seven to ten years in prison. There are many other examples of successful terrorism prosecutions – ranging from Zacarias Moussaoui (convicted in 2006 in connection with the 9/11 attacks and sentenced to life in prison) to  Ahmed Omar Abu Ali (convicted in 2005 of conspiracy to assassinate the President and

other charges and sentenced to life in prison) to Ahmed Ressam (convicted in 2001 for the Millenium plot to bomb the Los Angeles airport and sentenced to 22 years, a sentence recently reversed as too lenient and remanded for resentencing) –which I am happy to provide upon request.

In fact, two (and only two) persons apprehended in this country in recent times have been held under the law of war. Jose Padilla was arrested on a federal material witness warrant in 2002, and was transferred to law of war custody approximately one month later, after his court-appointed counsel moved to vacate the warrant. Ali Saleh Kahlah AI-Marri was also initially arrested on a material witness warrant in 2001, was indicted on federal criminal charges (unrelated to terrorism) in 2002, and then transferred to law of war custody approximately eighteen months later. In both of these cases, the transfer to law of war custody raised serious statutory and constitutional questions in the courts concerning the lawfulness of the government’s actions and spawned lengthy litigation. In Mr. Padilla’s case, the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit found that the President did not have the authority to detain him under the law of war. In Mr. AI-Marri’s case, the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit reversed a prior panel decision and found in a fractured en bane opinion that the President did have authority to detain Mr. Al Marri, but that he had not been afforded sufficient process to challenge his designation as an enemy combatant. Ultimately, both AI-Marri (in 2009) and Padilla (in 2006) were returned to law enforcement custody, convicted of terrorism charges and sentenced to prison.

When Flight 253 landed in Detroit, the men and women of the FBI and the Department of Justice did precisely what they are trained to do, what their policies require them to do, and what this nation expects them to do. In the face of the emergency, they acted quickly and decisively to ensure the detention and incapacitation of the individual identified as the would-be bomber. They did so by following the established practice and policy of prior and current Administrations, and detained Mr. Abdulmutallab for violations of federal criminal law.

2. Interrogation. The interrogation of Abdulmutallab was handled in accordance with FBI policy that has governed interrogation of every suspected terrorist apprehended in the United States for many years. Across many Administrations, both before and after 9/11, the consistent, well-known, lawful, and publicly-stated policy of the FBI has been to provide Miranda warnings prior to any custodial interrogation conducted inside the United States. The FBI’s current Miranda policy, adopted during the prior Administration, I provides explicitly that “[w]ithin the United States, Miranda warnings are required to be given prior to custodial interviews. . . .,,2 In both terrorism and non-terrorism cases, the widespread experience of law enforcement agencies, including the FBI, is that many defendants will talk and cooperate with law enforcement agents after being informed of their right to remain silent and to consult with an attorney. Examples include L’Houssaine Kherchtou, who was advised of his Miranda rights, cooperated with the government and provided critical intelligence on al-Qaeda, including their interest in using piloted planes as suicide bombers, and Nuradin Abdi, who provided significant information after being repeatedly advised of his Miranda rights over a two week period.

During an international terrorism investigation regarding Operation Crevice, law enforcement agents gained valuable intelligence regarding al-Qaeda military commanders and suspects involved in bombing plots in the U.K. from a defendant who agreed to cooperate after being advised of, and waiving his Miranda rights. Other terrorism subjects cooperate voluntarily with law enforcement without the need to provide Miranda warnings because of the non-custodial nature of the interview or cooperate after their arrest and agree to debriefings in the presence of their attorneys. Many of these subjects have provided vital intelligence on al-Qaeda, including several members of the Lackawanna Six, described above, who were arrested and provided information about the Al Farooq training camp in Afghanistan; and Mohammad Warsame, who voluntarily submitted to interviews with the FBI and provided intelligence on his contacts with al- Qaeda in Afghanistan. There are other examples which I am happy to provide upon request. There are currently other terrorism suspects who have cooperated and are providing valuable intelligence information whose identities cannot be publicly disclosed.

The initial questioning of Abdulmutallab was conducted without Miranda warnings under a public safety exception that has been recognized by the courts.

Subsequent questioning was conducted with Miranda warnings, as required by FBI policy, after consultation between FBI agents in the field and at FBI Headquarters, and career prosecutors in the U.S. Attorney’s Office and at the Department of Justice. Neither advising Abdulmutallab of his Miranda rights nor granting him access to counsel prevents us from obtaining intelligence from him, however. On the contrary, history shows that the federal justice system is an extremely effective tool for gathering intelligence. The Department of Justice has a long track record of using the prosecution and sentencing process as a lever to obtain valuable intelligence, and we are actively deploying those tools in this case as well.

Some have argued that had Abdulmutallab been declared an enemy combatant, the government could have held him indefinitely without providing him access to an attorney. But the government’s legal authority to do so is far from clear. In fact, when the Bush administration attempted to deny Jose Padilla access to an attorney, a federal judge in New York rejected that position, ruling that Padilla must be allowed to meet with his lawyer. Notably, the judge in that case was Michael Mukasey, my predecessor as Attorney General. In fact, there is no court-approved system currently in place in which suspected terrorists captured inside the United States can be detained and held without access to an attorney; nor is there any known mechanism to persuade an uncooperative individual to talk to the government that has been proven more effective than the criminal justice system. Moreover, while in some cases defense counsel may advise their clients to remain silent, there are situations in which they properly and wisely encourage cooperation because it is in their client’s best interest, given the substantial sentences they might face.

3. The Criminal Justice System as a National Security Tool. As President Obama has made clear repeatedly, we are at war against a dangerous, intelligent, and adaptable enemy. Our goal in this war, as in all others, is to win. Victory means defeating the enemy without damaging the fundamental principles on which our nation was founded. To do that, we must use every weapon at our disposal. Those weapons include direct military action, military justice, intelligence, diplomacy, and civilian law enforcement. Each of these weapons has virtues and strengths, and we use each of them in the

appropriate situations.

Over the past year, we have used the criminal justice system to disrupt a number of plots, including one in New York and Colorado that might have been the deadliest attack on our country since September 11, 2001, had it been successful. The backbone of that effort is the combined work of thousands of FBI agents, state and local police officers, career prosecutors, and intelligence officials around the world who go to work every day to help prevent terrorist attacks. I am immensely proud of their efforts. At the same time, we have worked in concert with our partners in the military and the Intelligence Community to support their tremendous work to defeat the terrorists and with our partners overseas who have great faith in our criminal justice system.

The criminal justice system has proven to be one of the most effective weapons available to our government for both incapacitating terrorists and collecting intelligence from them. Removing this highly effective weapon from our arsenal would be as foolish as taking our military and intelligence options off the table against al- Qaeda, and as dangerous. In fact, only by using all of our instruments of national power in concert can we be truly effective. As Attorney General, I am guided not by partisanship or political considerations, but by a commitment to using the most effective course of action in each case, depending on the facts of each case, to protect the American people, defeat our enemies, and ensure the rule of law.


I The Domestic Investigations and Operations Guide (DIOG) was finalized on December 16,2008. It is the FBI’s manual implementing the Attorney General’s Guidelines for Domestic FBI Operations, which were issued by Attorney General Mukasey on September 29, 2008.

2 FBI policy also reminds agents that “[t]he warning and waiver of rights is not required when questions which are reasonably prompted by a concern for public safety are asked. For example, if Agents make an arrest in public shortly after the commission of an armed offense, and need to make an immediate inquiry to determine the location of the weapon, such questions may be asked, even of an in-custody suspect, without first advising the suspect of [his Miranda rights].” FBI Legal Handbook for Special Agents § 7- 3.2(6). The public-safety exception to Miranda v. Arizona, 384 U.S. 436 (1966), was recognized by the Supreme Court in New York v. Quarles, 467 U.S. 649 (1984).

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  1. behindthefall says:

    but … but … the trolls just tole me that Holder wanted to “fry” terr’r”rsts! What is true, what is true?

  2. Arbusto says:

    Has the Admin. found a pair? I hope.

    As Attorney General, I am guided not by partisanship or political considerations, but by a commitment to using the most effective course of action in each case, depending on the facts of each case, to protect the American people, defeat our enemies, and ensure the rule of law.

    Except if it’s a DoJ attorney, past, present or future, that twists the law to suit the needs of the Administration.

  3. rosalind says:

    apologies for OT, but found this interesting via laobserved: a former LA Times writer has found a unique way to fund his investigative pieces on business fraud –

    How did I, a mainstream journalist, end up launching iBusiness Reporting with former con artist and ex-felon Barry Minkow?

    And why did I help develop an online media platform that is uniquely funded by short selling the stock of companies it investigates and concludes have flawed or fraudulent business models?

  4. orionATL says:

    Well, well,

    An official in a democratic admin finally said

    Publicly

    Kiss my ass.

    rather that quietly turn around and stooping over and

    Turning the other cheecks.

    Now panetta and neopllitano need to follow up by bluntly stating just how irresponsible Collins and chertoff are being with respect to airline safety.

    Then the nation could begin to get republican rhetoric back
    Under control.

  5. qweryous says:

    The mention here of the name L’Houssaine Kherchtou is in a context that will lead to some additional thought.

    “In both terrorism and non-terrorism cases, the widespread experience of law enforcement agencies, including the FBI, is that many defendants will talk and cooperate with law enforcement agents after being informed of their right to remain silent and to consult with an attorney. Examples include L’Houssaine Kherchtou, who was advised of his Miranda rights, cooperated with the government and provided critical intelligence on al-Qaeda, including their interest in using piloted planes as suicide bombers,”

    Fortunately there were no attacks on American soil during the Bush presidency, especially involving airplanes (at least according to many
    former Bush supporters), otherwise this letter might be describing an intelligence failure of epic magnitude. LINK
    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/01/giuliani-slams-obama-gets-fact.html

    When it comes to Noecon ‘up is down’ logic ,it will take much more than this letter to straighten it out; but it is a start. It is refreshing that this letter is describing concrete actions already taken, rather than promises of future actions.
    This letter also describes concrete Noecon failures in the past, which is also unusual.

    More please.

  6. fatster says:

    Was just cruising over with a link to this story. I am encouraged by this, too, qweryous. A little wary, but encouraged.

  7. BoxTurtle says:

    That should end this particular crisis, even the crazy wing of the GOP won’t push back if Bush the Lesser did it.

    See, kids? This is how one lawyer insults and corrects another lawyer WITHOUT using profane or vulgar language. It can be done!

    Boxturtle (Freep, I’m not suggesting you should change. :-))

  8. AZ Matt says:

    Damn! Doesn’t Holder know that McConnell can’t be expected to read a letter this long. It will keep him up long past his bedtime.

  9. WilliamOckham says:

    A small step, but at least it is in the right direction. I think that makes the score something like 127 steps backwards, 3 steps forward.

  10. tejanarusa says:

    Mr. Abdulmutallab was questioned by experienced counterterrorism agents from the FBI in the hours immediately after the failed bombing attempt and provided intelligence

    This finally puts down the lie pushed by, let’s see, how many R’s? that he was read his rights and promptly clammed up, so “we’re getting nothing from him,” etc., etc.

    Note I don’t say it will shut them up – nothing stops them from lying. but now we have definite means to refute them.

  11. BoxTurtle says:

    If it makes the GOPers happy, there’s no law against waterboarding someone AFTER they’ve been Mirandized.

    Boxturtle (at least, no law we haven’t been proven willing to ignore with impunity)

  12. Jim White says:

    Heh. Be sure to read David Dayen’s account of Susan Collins being confronted with the outrageousness of her rant last week against the Miranda warnings and attorney. I can hardly wait for the video. Also surprising: Mrs. Greenspan herself was actually practicing journalism in the interview and pushed back on Collins’ BS.

    • qweryous says:

      I too want to watch this.

      Mitchell apparently either just knew the appropriate facts, or guessed what the flavor of BS to be peddled was.

      If the buzz words and news clip scripts ever stop working, some of these politicians will have problems expressing themselves.

    • readerOfTeaLeaves says:

      Boy, oh, boy. I’ll bet Collins has no idea how badly she came across to some of us.

      Note how MSNBC put a ‘timeline’ (hat tip EW, but also to a lot of educational research) in at 1:58 into the interview to summarize the **facts** for viewers.

      2:56, Mitchell points out to Collins that the ‘terrorist’s’ Nigerian family would *not* have cooperated, and helped him ‘sing’ without knowing this was going through US civil procedures.

      3:24 Collins can’t seem to grasp the facts presented to her by Mitchell and just starts babbling talking points — if the interview had been only 2 or 4 minutes, Collins would have been just fine. With more time, she reveals herself as ideologically captured, then blames Holden for publicly releasing his letter before she and HoJo saw it.
      What I find most fascinating is Collins’ inability to really LISTEN to what Mitchell lays out; Collins literally does not follow the details.

      Last week, I happened to see Sen Jay Rockefeller interviewed by Mitchell, and frankly it is one of the best interviews that I’ve seen in ages. Fairly early in the 7:15 segment, Rockefeller compliments Mitchell as a ‘serious’ reporter, not simply out for ‘gotcha’, like so many reporters these days.

      About 4:00 into a 7:15 segment, Rockefeller offer an example of his experience **explaining** to a group of his citizens what’s actually in the health care bill, and it’s a fantastic bit of video. Because Mitchell keeps her mouth shut and LISTENS to Rockefeller, he has a chance to give what is a very interesting, and I think a very important, anecdote. Basically, he points out that people want health care, but they are terribly confused about it; he believes that if the communication improves, the bill will pass with wide public support.

      I think he’s right.
      I also suspect that is why Rockefeller is willing to come on her show; I’ll bet there are other news anchors that he won’t go near.

      I’d encourage anyone here to watch the Rockefeller interview, because it’s a fascinating contrast to Collins.

      Collins has obviously mastered sound bites.
      Sen Rockefeller appears to loathe and despise sound bites.

      What needs to end is the sound-bite constraints that favor expedient, bobblehead politicos.

      What we need are more calm, wonderful conversations like the one between Rockefeller and Mitchell – which happened because Mitchell was a very good listener.

      Too long a comment, but the Rockefeller interview gave me hope that we may yet eek our way out of the social morass of the 24/7 newzblitz, the shouting, the ‘gotcha’ kneejerk so-called journalism.

      The nation (indeed, the world) needs more of this kind of civility.

    • skdadl says:

      Well, given what we know Obama/Holder have to cope with from the Republicans and wingers, this would be a fine letter … if only we didn’t know how much was elided so elegantly there.

  13. WTFOver says:

    A Pakistani neuroscientist was convicted on Wednesday of attempted murder for trying to kill American soldiers and FBI agents in Afghanistan.

    Federal prosecutors said the neuroscientist, Aafia Siddiqui, 37, grabbed an M4 rifle in a police station in the city of Ghazni, Afghanistan, on 18 July 2008, and fired on American officers and federal agents.

    After slightly more than two days of deliberations, a jury in Federal District Court in Manhattan found her guilty.

    http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/03/pakistani-scientist-convicted-of-attempted-murder/?hp

    one of the biggest crocks of shit that i have seen in quite some time.

    the usa held her in bagram concentration kamp and tortured the shit out of her for 5 years and then concocted this bullshit frame job to cover up their war crimes.

    • readerOfTeaLeaves says:

      And more on ol’ Mitch McConnell, too. Apprently, he’s accepted campaign bucks from BAE.

      Did you ever see the Frontline episode called “Black Money”?

      This might be an extra-large shoe dropping here…?
      Because this wasn’t the US investigating — it was the OECD.
      Google ‘OECD +BAE’.
      Then go read EW’s old post about Bandar bin Saud putting his house in Aspen on the market.

      • fatster says:

        Corporate bribery and corruption? Bandar Bush is involved, I see. Bandar lived very near Dr. Hunter S. Thompson in Aspen, you know. Don’t know how far away Ken Lay’s house was, though. (I’m assuming you meant Bandar bin Sultan. If not, I’ve confused two different Bandars.) These people have such associations!

        • readerOfTeaLeaves says:

          Yeah, sorry – you got it right. Although I think of him as Bandar Bush.

          Don’t mean to sound like a conspiracy theorist (conspiracies often explain too much, too simply), but in this case….
          Although I leave Hunter out of it ;-

        • fatster says:

          I always enjoyed thinking of Hunter S. Thompson as a beacon of sanity among the more bizarre inhabitants of Aspen.

  14. freepatriot says:

    jebus, that’s a lot of words

    If I was Attorney General, the message would have been much shorter:

    HEY all of you bed wetting cowardly repuglitards, it’s called the Constitution, SO SHUT YOUR FUCKING PIE HOLES, you fucking cowardly thimb suckers

    we got plenty of corners for you to cower in, now get the fuck outta my face

  15. qweryous says:

    OT-But this might be a MAJOR FAIL.

    Log cabin Republicans- but did they forget to pay property taxes on the cabin(s?)?

    Post is titled “Sarah Palin -Tax Cheat? Contents of Mysterious Envelope Revealed”.

    It is alleged that two parcels of land with cabins are being taxed as vacant land. Links to official sites and etc, and pictures of one of the cabins, also too.

    See this post from AKMuckraker crossposted at Huffpo (the AKMuckraker site has crashed- too much traffic)
    Link at Huffington Post:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/akmuckraker/sarah-palin—tax-cheat-c_b_448137.html

    Maybe another OOPS for S. Palin?

  16. tjbs says:

    This Holder fellow seems to be looking back to make some of the statements he made. I wonder if, upon looking back, he tripped over some torture chambers and what he intends to do about this massive criminal enterprise that was led by bush and cheney and their little henchmen to torture to death some suspects.

  17. MadDog says:

    OT – From ABC News:

    License to Kill? Intelligence Chief Says U.S. Can Take Out American Terrorist

    The director of national intelligence affirmed rather bluntly today that the U.S. intelligence community has authority to target American citizens for assassination if they present a direct terrorist threat to the United States.

    “We take direct actions against terrorists in the intelligence community, if … we think that direct action will involve killing an American, we get specific permission to do that,” Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair told the House Intelligence Committee…

    …”Whether that American is involved in a group that is trying to attack us, whether that American has — is a threat to other Americans. Those are the factors involved.” Blair explained. “We don’t target people for free speech. We target them for taking action that threatens Americans.”

    According to U.S. officials only a handful of Americans would be eligible for targeting by U.S. intelligence or military operations. The legal guidance is determined by the National Security Council and the Justice Department…

  18. MadDog says:

    Senator Leahy to SJC Repugs about their response letter to AG Holder’s letter:

    Leahy Responds To Request For Justice Department Oversight Hearing

    “…Had you discussed this matter with me, you might have realized that such a partisan and divisive letter was unnecessary and unhelpful,” Leahy scolded. “I hope that in the weeks and months ahead, instead of trying to create division and score political points, you and the other Republican members of the committee will join with me and work with the administration on behalf of the American people, as we did after the 9/11 attacks.”

  19. readerOfTeaLeaves says:

    Lordy, I hope Holder got some satisfaction out of writing that letter. Clear nouns, active verbs; not at all what we’re used to seeing out of DoJ.

    When’s the last time we saw anything like this out of DoJ?

    When Flight 253 landed in Detroit, the men and women of the FBI and the Department of Justice did precisely what they are trained to do, what their policies require them to do, and what this nation expects them to do. In the face of the emergency, they acted quickly and decisively to ensure the detention and incapacitation of the individual identified as the would-be bomber. They did so by following the established practice and policy of prior and current Administrations, and detained Mr. Abdulmutallab for violations of federal criminal law…

    Victory means defeating the enemy without damaging the fundamental principles on which our nation was founded. To do that, we must use every weapon at our disposal. Those weapons include direct military action, military justice, intelligence, diplomacy, and civilian law enforcement. Each of these weapons has virtues and strengths, and we use each of them in the appropriate situations.

    That kind of writing does a soul good.

  20. Loo Hoo. says:

    I trust the good people of Maine will send Susan Collins some thoughts.

    This is the kind of fight the administration has tried to resist, being all cordial and gentlemanly, that they’ve discovered cannot work.

    Hurray for the learning curve!

  21. mizdonnakay says:

    Our Republic, before it turned into a DEMOCRACY, was founded on the rule of law. That is what made it special. That is what made TORTURE so unpopular. I am encouraged and delighted to see Holder HOLD to the rule of law. Bravo!

  22. sysprog says:

    Mukasey   versus   Mukasey

    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/law/jan-june10/terror_02-03.html

    PBS NEWSHOUR
    AIR DATE: Feb. 3, 2010
    Debate Reignites on Legal Rights of Terror Suspects

    […]

    JIM LEHRER: For more on how terror suspects should be handled, Michael Mukasey was attorney general during the last year of the Bush administration. He is now an attorney in private practice in New York City. Eugene Fidell is president of the National Institute of Military Justice, and he’s a senior research scholar at Yale University Law School.

    First, Mr. Mukasey, do you believe, specifically, that the Christmas Day bomber case should be handled through federal civilian court?

    MICHAEL MUKASEY, former U.S. Attorney General: In a word, no.

    […]

    MICHAEL MUKASEY: He would have been considered — he would have been considered an unlawful combatant. There have been others arrested in the United States, not withstanding what is in the attorney general’s letter, that were treated eventually as unlawful combatants. And I can think of at least two of them.

    […]

    JIM LEHRER: Mr. Mukasey, you want to give the Constitution second place?

    MICHAEL MUKASEY: Not at all.

    The Constitution is not a treaty with the world. It’s a pact under which we have organized — it’s a law, I should say, under which we have organized the government of the United States. It doesn’t require that we treat every unlawful combatant as a criminal defendant.

    In point of fact, when the Germans landed saboteurs on Long Island and off Florida, those people were treated as unlawful combatants. They were prosecuted before a military tribunal in Washington, notwithstanding that the courts were open, and they were executed. And all of that took place within three months of the time they landed.

    JIM LEHRER: What do you think, Mr. Mukasey, of the action of the United States Congress to withdraw funding for not only this case, but all cases of — terrorist cases that are going to be tried in federal criminal court? Do you think that’s a proper way to kind of regulate this?

    MICHAEL MUKASEY: I’m really saddened by that. I think it’s not a way — it shouldn’t have to be a way to regulate it.

    I believe that the executive should make these decisions and should make them appropriately. Congress has the power to withdraw funding. But I’m — I think it’s a very sad day when Congress gets involved in the day-to-day handling of cases.

    The fact is that there may be very good reason for them to do that, but it saddens me, just as a matter of the way our system should function, that it has come to that.

    JIM LEHRER: In a word, Mr. Fidell, you also believe this is a sad day?

    EUGENE FIDELL: I think it’s worse than sad. I think it’s quite concerning because of the constitutional implications.

    It’s — number one, it’s left up, under the Constitution, to the president to take care that the laws are enforced. And to manipulate the jurisdiction and resources of the federal district courts raises a separation-of-powers issue, and I think it tarnishes what all Americans believe is the jewel in the crown of our legal system, the federal courts.

    JIM LEHRER: OK. We will leave it there.

    Mr. Mukasey, Mr. Fidell, thank you both very much.

    EUGENE FIDELL: Thank you.

    – – PBS NEWSHOUR, Wednesday, February 3, 2010__________

    __________

  23. Leen says:

    Democracy Now (children still missing) Still Missing
    Ignoring Torture Claims and Questionable Evidence, New York Jury Convicts Pakistani Scientist Aafia Siddiqui
    Siddiqui-aaifa

    A New York jury has convicted the US-educated Pakistani neuroscientist Aafia Siddiqui of attempted murder for shooting at US forces while jailed in Afghanistan in 2008. None of the Americans were injured, but Siddiqui was shot and wounded while in US custody. Human rights groups have long alleged that Siddiqui was forcibly disappeared by Pakistani authorities in 2003 and interrogated and tortured at the behest of the United States. In her testimony, Siddiqui claimed to have been held in a US secret prison. We speak to Siddiqui family spokesperson Tina Foster of the International Justice Network and Petra Bartosiewicz, an independent journalist who has been closely following Siddiqui’s case

    http://www.democracynow.org/2010/2/4/ignoring_torture_claims_and_questionable_evidence