Holiday Season Torture Document Dump Open Thread
Sorry for even suggesting that there could be a “holiday season” torture document dump. But if you need a break from health care fights, here are some torture docs. Consider this an open thread.
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And Larry Siems over at the ACLU’s The Torture Report sends EW a hat tip or two: Blowing Smoke.
Now on to document submersion.
Yer reading them underwater?
They plan the water treatment for us all. *g*
Not far from it. After suffering through the turgid Yoo to Delahunty justifications of why neither Al Qaida nor the Talaban deserved protection under the Geneva Conventions I now realize that no one is technically a civilian any more.
According to Yoo all that needs to happen to allow the President to do anything to any group of civilians he wishes is to declare them a “terrorist non-governmental actor”. And that can be based upon anyone associated with the group being suspected (not tried) of a terrorist act. Yoo lists all the protections accorded to civilians and non-combatants, and acts which would be considered war crimes even if there was a uniformed combatant…and says…the President can do any of this to members of a group he declares a terrorist organization.
No trial needed to establish that the individual is actually a member of that group either, says Yoo.
And what if it’s a legally recognized State, like the Talaban was until the United States invaded? And a signatory to the Geneva protocols? Simple, all it takes is a simple declaration by our President that the regime is a “failed State”. Then like fairy dust the Geneva Conventions no longer apply…you can do anything you damn well please to the members of the former government and their military after they lay down their arms…or even the civilian population…since the Geneva Conventions don’t apply. Why? Because the President considers it a “failed State”.
Oh, wait, there’s one little catch that Yoo realizes. He knows that Bush didn’t declare Afghanistan a “failed State”…so he has to suggest that this was his mind state at the time of the initial attacks. He does this by quoting Rummy saying so. Apparently it doesn’t require a Presidential Order or Executive Statement…Rummy can do it for the Pres.
And then take a gander at Yoo’s “brainstorming” (19 page PDF) on charging John Walker:
Unlawfully participating in foreign affairs?
Given Yoo’s lack of any common sense at all, I’d not bet against his ability to find a scheme for a death sentence upon conviction of jaywalking.
He wasn’t jaywalking. He wanted to be martyr, so he was sacrificing himself to create a massive traffic accident.
Boxturtle (As proof, I offer this evidence that the suspect is actually a moslem)
I would like to know the source of Yoo’s information that John Walker had become a member of Al Qaeda.
Who’s pulling the strings around here? The people who control the flow of information control the spin, and they can create reality (as one of them has said) any way they wish (or so they think, as the laws of physical matter and historical causation as yet elude them).
I’d bet on DOD General Counsel Billy Haynes telling some tall tales he got from Rummy, Wolfie and Dougie Feith.
Speaking of Haynes, the latter’s letter from Bradbury on the Army Field Manual and Appendix M (the only “appendix” singled out for mention in the letter) is evidence that in this case, anyway, the AFM interrogation policies were definitely run by DoJ and the White House. This would seem unremarkable except, one, it shows this was not just a Rumsfeld operation, and two, that the WH was involved in Appendix M’s construction. I’d note that at the time of the letter, Appendix M was to be a secret annex, i.e., a classified component of the AFM. John Warner balked at that and the decision was made to release it in unclassified format.
I went googling last night for that manual and found it quickly. The public version online doesn’t have much abusive stuff in Appendix M (“separation” seems to be its focus), so I wonder if the draft mentioned in the document dump was more forthcoming.
You didn’t look closely enough, but then it’s written to look as inoffensive as possible.
See How the Press, the Pentagon, and Even Human Rights Groups Sold Us an Army Field Manual that (Still) Sanctions Torture
Since this article, Amnesty has come out strongly against Appendix M.
See also CCR, Close Torture Loopholes in Army Field Manual
Another interesting point about Yoo-Hoo’s OLC opinion to Billy Haynes on John Walker Lindh is the fact that John-boy Yoo-Hoo is involved at all!
It shows that John Walker Lindh wasn’t in the custody (yet) of the DOJ or FBI (though the FBI was involved in interrogating him in Afghanistan).
It also shows that Billy Haynes wasn’t consulting with his own DOD JAGs about the issue.
It also shows that Billy Haynes wasn’t consulting with the DOJ in general about the issue. Particularly the Criminal Division which eventually charged John Walker Lindh.
It simply shows that Billy Haynes was consulting his BFF squash partner Yoo-Hoo because Billy knew that the only “law” that mattered in the Bush/Cheney regime was Yoo-Hoo law.
See my note at 58, such that while agreeing with the bulk of what you say, I’d rewrite the conclusion, viz. “the only ‘law’ that mattered in the Bush/Cheney regime was Bush/Cheney law.”
Of course, Yoo was one of the primary servants and loyal factotums. But the rewrite here isn’t as snazzy. “Yoo-hoo” law raises associations in my mind to (Swiftian) “Yahoo law” (assuming Swift was even generous enough to grant the Yahoos enough wits to draw up any kind of law — which he wasn’t).
Forgive the pedantry (ok: the gossip columnry), friend MadDog, and I know he’s formally William J. Haynes, but I think we have come to know him (even if not all that fondly) as Jim rather than Billy.
You’re right, of course!
I was so focused on denigrating him with a childish name to remember that folks primarily used his middle name.
No more Billy Haynes for me. From now on it’s Jimbo Haynes. *g*
Chevron Haynes.
Chevvie for short? *g*
sounds as if they studied the methods used by the SS
The “Index of OLC advice” stuff is going to be dynamite!
For example: Index of OLC Advice (12/12/2007) (1 page PDF)
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Did we know that number? Isn’t it odd that it matches the magic number of permitted civilian kills in a predator strike?
Boxturtle (Not reading under water, reading under scotch)
That’s complete bullshvt; already existing testimony from Guantanamo prisoners alone far exceeds that number, and there were at least a hundred prisoners who went to black sites.
Who said the holidays weren’t torture? It’s War on that goddamn piece of paper aka the Constitution…
Just ignore those bench-warming dress-up mannequins. Clearly, Article II comes before Article III. In fact, let’s just dispense with the whole notion of justice. It’s so eighteenth century.
Seems that Obama and Holder had to throw something out to keep you from analyzing their big Joe I. Lie ball of poop.
What an image…all these Democratic Senators trying to push a massive turdball up a hill, With Obama and LIEberman directing traffic atop it like a stagecoachman and a buddy riding “shotgun”.
OT on this open thread – Harvard University is offering an online, and on the air (PBS) class in “Justice” with Michael Sandel. . One can watch these online or watch on TV. There is an online forum, or one can start one’s own discussion circle. A list of episodes:
People here are probably way beyond some of these topics – but I think it is a good idea to keep an eye on what is being distributed in the media. The discussion circle on torture is an eye opener – personally I can’t read more than a couple of entries without having to leave because some of these people actually think torture is o.k. – but at least they are talking about it.
Any class that begins with the trolley car problem should be avoided. If you have time for contemporary philosophy of the highest order, then Bernard Williams’ last two books are to be recommended: Truth And Truthfulness and In The Beginning Was The Deed. Both are concerned with politics, especially the latter. Indeed, he was very eager to finish a book explicitly on politics before his death in 2003. Both will be in print long after Sandel is forgotten. I know your point was mostly about the discussions but the difference here is very very stark: the humanities as it is supposed to be (informed by history among other things) and academics in the pejorative sense. This heads up is my modest way of giving back to the FDL community since this is now the first place I go for news.
Good call…
What role does truth play in our lives?
My emphasis.
That is most definitely worth emphasizing. The other book merits some emphasis too as it develops the Shklarian idea that for liberals there is no greatest good, but there is a greatest evil: cruelty.
Oh, I love this:
Lessee. Diet manipulations (previously admitted in the same testimony) would be biological experiments by any defination. Several detainees died under interrogation, that would be murder. We cut the genitals of a prisoner with a scalpel, that would be mutilation or maiming. We’ve all seen some of the Abu G. photos, that would rape sexual assualt or abuse. And it appears we have KSM’s children in custody and have threatened their welfare to get KSM to talk, that would be the taking of hostages.
Oh, wait. This was only about the CIA. As long as it wasn’t the CIA doing it, it’s outside the bounds of our investigation.
Boxturtle (If I hire some contrators to beat the hell out of someone, I’m innocent, right?)
I see we caught the same passage. Good comments and observations, BT.
And not only were they lying about the offenses occurring, at the time this was done they were lying about the DoJ having investigated!
BTW, there’s a treatment for thinking the same as I do. Expensive, time consuming, but reportedly worth it.
Boxturtle (And you have to really WANT to change)
That’s the problem. I don’t really want to change ;-)
OT — Today on NPR’s Fresh Air with Terry Gross: Jeremy Scahill on Blackwater and contractors
Am reading Bradbury’s April 12, 2007 testimony before the Senate Intelligence Committee. The man is an accomplished liar, but what I wanted to post here is that once again — and probably serendipitously, but who knows? — there’s that magic number “30” again:
One can almost hear the sense of deep satisfaction, even relish, when Bradbury tell the Senators how the past few years has altered the legal landscape regarding the laws around torture and interrogations: “…the Supreme Court decided that Common Article 3 applied to the armed conflict with al Qaeda, and Congress responded to that decision through detailed amendments to the War Crimes Act.”
Can almost hear Cheney saying, with a sneer, “Thank you!”
Makes me suspect that 30 is a bogus number and the actual number is much higher.
Anytime I see the number 30 in relation to government activities, I’m going to treat it with great suspicion. They determined that number very carefully, based on what people would accept. Not too big, not too little Believable.
Boxturtle (Suspects that some shrink helped BushCo come up with that number)
OT-
White House Press Secretary Gibbs press conference statements about release of prisoners from Guantanamo are not correct.
Via The Raw Story link:
http://rawstory.com/2009/12/white-house-errs-guantanamo/
“At Wednesday’s briefing, Gibbs told reporters that when courts have ruled that detainees should not be held at Guantanamo, those detainees have been transferred “back to either their home country or third-party countries.””
Hey what about the Uighers?
From The Raw Story again: “The Uighurs were ordered released in October 2008, but the government is struggling to find countries to take them.”
There’s a far worse one in the same article. Somebody needs to be informed that the current administration is not an automatic improvement over the previous one.
IIRC, the Uighurs were Chinese, i.e. from China, and China regards all Uighurs as terrorists by definition. Historically, the Uighurs once had their own nation, but are now split up amongst China’s western provinces, and central Asian countries such as Uzbekistan. Nobody wants them because they’re regarded as potential troublemakers.
IMHO they’re a bit like Kurds, who live in Turkey, Iran and Iraq, but who are regarded as troublesome minorities in each one. (If you don’t think they’re a troublesome minority in Iraq, just ask the Sunni Arabs and the Shi’a Arabs and Iranians.)
Bob in AZ
If one were really looking for “terrorists”, in the context of Afghanistan and Pakistan, I’d place my vote for U.S. interest in Balochistan. Obama recently approved Predator strikes in Balochistan, which, btw, is nowhere near the mountainous border territories.
Moreover, like the Kurds, Balochistan proper bleeds over into more than one state, with Baloch nationalism in Iran and Afghanistan as well.
The importance of Balochistan…? Well, consider this quote from a former High Commissioner of Pakistan to the United Kingdom:
Worth reading, this biased but interesting article in the South Asia Tribune, circa 2005.
Officially, the Balochistan Liberation Front are “terrorists”… in the UK, but not the U.S., or India…
I believe that Pakistan is the game, at this point, and Afghanistan a staging area, essentially, or the parts the U.S. can control.
If the UK is involved with a group it calls terrorist, well, that’s pretty interesting, and what role is the U.S. playing? Similar in many ways to the intricate games played around the Kurds, with Pakistan in the role of Turkey, Afghanistan in the role of Iraq, and Iran in the role of… Iran!
This Afghanistan escalation raises all kinds of questions, doesn’t it? Protecting the pipeline? That sounded reasonable until China won the rights to the damned thing. Being friendly or threatening to Pakistan? For what purpose (depending on whether friendly or threatening)? Something most strange is going on, and however much I find your Balochistan information intriguing, it is also foreboding. If they intend to expend more of our tax dollars and, far more importantly, the lives and limbs of our troops in this “surge”, surely we can know why?
I know, I know, a wacked out old thing wants all the answers. And I do.
Ah, but this is all about competition. There was already a pipeline from central Asia to Europe– but remember the choke point in, um, Georgia, I think? The China pipeline means that Central Asia will not be a captive of GAZPROM and the European market. The central Asian countries would also welcome, I am sure, a southern pipeline through Afghanistan and Baluchistan, if it could be made secure.
Bob in AZ
and @ 77. More info, please. You’ve got me on a roll here.
OK.
Re the new NYT article on Pakistan:
I’d add that the U.S. decision to escalate in Afghanistan is heating up the already volatile situation in Pakistan. — And we were assured the escalation was needed to achieve a stable Pakistan. I should have learned. Whatever the U.S. government says, believe the opposite. It appears the escalation is a forerunner of greater intervention in Pakistan, and it looks like a primary target is Baluchistan (also run by tribal chieftans).
Things appear to be devolving fast. Consider the accompanying article: Pakistan Strikes Down Amnesty for Politicians
Wow! So the President of Pakistan, a U.S. ally, who took over Bhutto’s party after her assassination, may be going down. What timing!!!
The Punjabis and others in the Pakistani elite have been playing the double game (triple game, quadruple game) for a long, long time now. The Americans may not yet be their equals. (Maybe the Brits are, or the Indians.) But the U.S. has the weapons and the money. — I guess Pakistan is not as easy to manipulate as say — Honduras, eh, Madame Secretary.
This is deep, deep shit. Extremely disturbing. Please share more.
I’ve only followed this from great distance over the years. First came across the Baluchis as a separatist movement unsympathetic to the Shia mullahs over 20 years ago. I’m only one step ahead of you on current events, and you can perhaps take over, or Bob, or anyone, and follow this up, as my time is up for this wonderful activity, and I must be swallowed back up in the maw of ordinary life for a few days.
Yes, the more one delves into the Pakistan situation, the more disturbing it all becomes. It appears the U.S. is barreling into quite the morass in South Asia, and as we’ve already seen, but our ruling classes haven’t quite absorbed, the U.S. cannot project in a reliable way its imperial force over there.
Yet another empire to fall, but on our own heads…
” . . . and I must be swallowed back up in the maw of ordinary life for a few days”
Best holiday wishes to you. And thanks ever so much for all the information and insight.
Well, between the links Jeff and I have provided, you’ve got a start on a lot of reading to do. At the Wikipedia, note that Balochistan has multiple referents– the major one is probably Balochistan (Pakistan). The only major city in Baluchistan, historically, has been Quetta. But now there is Gwadar, the new port city being built by China and run by Singapore on Baluchistan’s southern coast.
Baluchistan is vast, and very thinly populated. The Baluchi are an Iranian people, as are several of Afghanistan’s other minorities. As you’ll see from the references in the Wikipedia reports, they’ve had their own independence traditions. Alexander the Great had a bit of trouble in Baluchistan, and his troops almost rebelled. I don’t blame them.
Bob in AZ
Thank you, brother.
Take another look at your map. Baluchistan is huge, and it is a mountainous border territory, but it’s further west than most of what we hear news about. It is also due south of Kandahar. The Baluchi are an ethnic group distinct from the Pathans, and there are small fingers of Baluch populations in southern Afghanistan that ‘stick up’ across the border from Baluchistan.
Also IIRC, the oil pipeline that was planned from Central Asia to the Indian Ocean was going to go through Baluchistan.
Bob in AZ
You are correct that Baluchistan has a mountainous region, but my main point, not well put originally, is that the intrusions into Pakistan are in the Northwest Frontier Province, where Bin Laden is said to be hiding out. Baluchistan has not been put forward publicly as an area of great concern (although Quetta has been reported to be a Taliban stronghold, Quetta being the capital of Baluchisan province, though mostly populated by Pashtuns and Hazara, not Balochi). Certainly I would imagine that 98% of America never even heard of Baluchistan, and for the most part, it is a distinctly different part of the country from the Northwest Frontier.
That would be the intrusions that we have been fussing about. But there’s a major pass from Baluchistan to the main road to Kandahar from the south. There have been plenty of “intrusions” along that part of the border; we just don’t hear much about them.
The first part of your sentence is true, but I have some problems with the parenthetical part. I sorta agree, because the Baluchi are just not really city people; they’re nomads. But they do have a tradition of oral literature and poetry.
And Quetta is in the NE part of the province, i.e. close to the Pashtun area, so more exposed to non-Baluchi influences. The anthropologist Walter Fairservis conducted several archaeological expeditions to Baluchistan in the 1950s, and I met his daughter (and wife) while I was living in Hawaii. But historically, Quetta has been the ONLY Baluchi city. And I don’t think I’d characterize Quetta as a Taliban stronghold. What’s that based on?
Yes. Very, very different.
Bob in AZ
I bow to your greater knowledge on this (no irony or sarcasm here… I mean it). Re the influence of the Taliban in Quetta… I don’t know if true, but was only saying what is “reportedly” said, in the Western press.
I was not saying that Quetta was not Balochi, just that it was a Pashtun-majority city, but then, I plead ignorance over the history. That could be a recent phenomena. I don’t know.
I can see that studying Pakistan in much greater detail will be on my holiday agenda… along with EW’s doc dumps ;-)
Hmmm. Murder, sexual assault or abuse, taking of hostages, and (I believe) biological experiments. I think these can all be proved, more or less, if the relevant documents and testimony were in place. Of course, I also believe the administration fails on their torture apologia in general, but I think it’s important to remember these supposedly “not remotely applicable” procedures. Note that Bradbury states they are not applicable to the CIA’s interrogation program, not that CIA has indulged in same. But that’s why I’m pushing the issue of the experimentation. I think it was a crucial part of the program, though obviously I can’t prove it, except to offer an inferential, circumstantial case. I soon will offer some new installments in the latter.
This shows the power of reframing. It just would never occur to many people to think of, e.g., “biological experiments” and dietary manipulation in the same thought-space.
Bob in AZ
some of the things they did with body temperature…like throwing water on people and keeping the room cold…probably fall into the same category.
OLC #4 looks as if someone could easily figure out the names of those detainees involved. But it’s odd that they have complete wiped out two topics. I guess they couldn’t even tell us the medium of the communication or dates it’s so Top Secret.
Hmmm!? Could it be something on videotape?
And can somebody tell me WTF this OLC opinion could be for in the DOJ Office of Legal Counsel Opinions for 2003 (3/11/2004) (1 page PDF):
I’m having a hard time understanding the “how and why” of the subject of “Criminal Liability of CIA Officials…for Providing Material Support or Resources to Terrorists”.
And I’d like to see this one too:
I’m gonna guess they were dealing with something listed as a terrroist group for the purposes of the Iraq war. The CIA would deal with the devil if they thought it was in their best interest. A look at the terrorist list at that time might give a list of suspects.
Boxturtle (Personal guess would be a kurdish group)
I’d guess John Walker Lindh didn’t get the memo.
Kurds are a good guess. The one I thought of immediately is Jundallah in Iran… those guys are bad news
The CIA has collaborated and aided numerous terror groups from the Balluccis/Jundallah to go into Iran, to Dostrum to any number of others (MEK also has been speculated).
Wasn’t Blackwater accused by Turkey of selling weaponry illegally to the PKK-a Kurdish group deemed terrorist?
Heck, I think we may have been doing that more directly than Blackwater actually. Thanks, the PKK were the ones I was trying to remember and was spacing on.
BTW, I posted about a week or so ago about the Blackwater/PKK allegations on another thread here.
I may be mistaken, but I think it was about Prince’s Graymail.
Chiquita? It’s later than they got busted for, but we know that they got off bc Chertoff was going to make them cooperate with teh govt.
I’m still leaning to the MeK association, but one never knows, does one? *g*
I’m going to make a wild-assedguess it’s one of three possibilities which come to mind: MEK in Iraq and/or Iran, FARC in Colombia (what Holder got Chiquita out of), noodling around with those guys who allegedly did the Mumbai attak last year. If you remember, Fitz is currently prosecuting a guy (US citizen) who had been an informant for the DEA and may also have been a double agent for the Mumbai attacker folks. TalkLeft has been following that case pretty closely.
Given the timeframe of the opinion, 3/11/2004, and the fact that it has been included in this FOIA DOD document dump, the context seems to lend itself to GWOT, Afghanistan, Iraq and the detainees from same, I’m still leaning to MeK.
That would be my inclination too, but we are in bed with so many….
MEK is a very very likely guess.
Which of course points more toward involvement in Iran from Iraq than ops in Iraq.
“Good” terrorists are the ones that blow up innocent folks for us. Can’t have CIA folks criminally liable for that, can we? /s
Perhaps I’m above my “pay grade”( /s )here, but I typed “US mercenaries 2003” into my search engine and got some extremely interesting hits.
Let me guess (*g*): Blackwater?
Also M.E.K.?
Yeah, see page 14 of Memo from Donald Rumsfeld regarding Detention Metrics (22 page PDF).
As of July 20, 2005, it lists 3510 MeK detainees in USG control, and 29 cumulative MeK detainees released as July 05.
OT to some degree but not completely
Haven’t seen this yet.
If it has been discussed moderator please delete this.
At the press conference 12-15-09 there was some discussion of authorities already held and additional authorities needed to hold prisoners indefinitely without trial. Additional legislation may be coming on this issue.
Additional statements made by Press secretary Gibbs in the press conference held 12-15-09: Link at :
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/briefing-white-house-press-secretary-robert-gibbs-121509Q
Start of first quote:
“Q In a conference call that the White House established earlier today, senior administration officials told reporters on the call that the goal of the Obama administration is to house those detainees in that fourth category, the ones who cannot be tried and yet cannot be released, of whom there have not been any identified as of yet and signed off by the President — that the goal would be to ultimately house them at Thomson, and the administration will work with Congress to do that. How would that be constitutional to indefinitely hold somebody in the United States without trial?
MR. GIBBS: Understand that the President does not seek new authority; that under the auspices of the declaration from 2001, that would be allowable. But understand this, Jake, what we have said is — again, that’s the collective decision of Congress — not one individual, the President — a collective body in Congress — that would be and can be reviewed as it is now by the judiciary, and has been — as you know, a number of the transfers have been required by U.S. courts that have said there’s no reason to continue to hold this individual. So there are certainly — that is built into the newer regime that the President is moving forward on.
Yes, sir.”
End of first quote.
Also this :
Start of second quote:
“Q Can you just clarify, you said the President is not seeking authority, but on the conference call earlier, administration officials told us that he will need a change in law.
MR. GIBBS: Well, what I’m saying — I’m sorry, let me be more specific. New authority for any long-term detention. In other words, since Congress has authorized that as a result of — in 2001, the President isn’t seeking new legislative authority to do that. That is still the — that’s still — any decisions that are ultimately made about detention can be reviewed by the judiciary.
There’s no doubt, Sam, that the supplemental language and other appropriations bills that have yet to be signed into law that prevent detention from happening now will need to be changed, and the President will work with Congress in order to change any law that prevents a facility at Thomson from being used.
Q And for funding?
MR. GIBBS: And for funding, absolutely.
Yes.”
End of second quote.
BBC NEWS | Americas | Blackwater ‘arms smuggling probe’Sep 22, 2007 … Blackwater provides security to US diplomatic staff in Baghdad … have been sold on the black market and ended up in the hands of the PKK. …
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7008058.stm – Cached
@33
Pretty explicit:
Feds Probe Blackwater and Black Market Weapons — AP and ‘N & O …A spokeswoman for Blackwater did not return calls seeking comment Friday. … whether the alleged Blackwater weapons match those taken from the PKK. …
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu…id...
I couldn’t get anywhere with the link, so did a little search. See if this works:
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003645357
Thanks for the thumbs up…and particularly interesting…because I attempted to post a Juan Cole Googled link about the PKK about five times,and it would not even be accepted.
I continued to get a message saying that I needed to hit retry-which I did…to no avail…about six times…then I gave up and used other links.
Well, I’m not good for much around here, but I do know google, so let me know when I can be of assistance.
Fatster, I have had my suspicions for some time now…and the evidence is conclusive… that you are truly a treasure…
*blush*
Many thnx.
The Matrix of Gitmo Detainee Cases is interesting. The identies of most of the detainees are listed but 72-109; and 180-217 remain nameless. The latter 37 are clearly Saudi as they fall into the middle of the list. But the nationalities of the earlier 27 is ambivalent. They could be Chinese or Algerian…as they fall between these two nations. But other Chinese, clearly Uigher) and Algerians are named.
It could be a third nation (or nations) that for some reason or other would be sensitive to reveal having detainees in Gitmo. Perhaps “Britain”??
Another point of interest is the matrix has completely redacted the legal status of the cases in the right section. However they do include a coding system for the abbreviations used in the matrix. It’s interesting that many of the detainees appear to have no real evidence against holding them, and face no charges…yet are not being released.
I’d rather not give them the benefit of the doubt, but it might just be that somebody goofed and forgot to xerox those 2 pages (there are between 35 and 37 detainees listed per page which would fit the number of names missing).
If your reading the Detainee Assessment Matrix (List of Guantanamo Detainees) (3/8/2007) (10 page PDF), a couple of abbreviations to know:
FNU – First Name Unknown (used in the 4th column titled “Current Name”)
LNU – Last Name Unknown (used in the 4th column titled “Current Name”)
OARDEC – Office for the Administrative Review of the Detention of Enemy Combatants
ARB – Administrative Review Board (the 3rd column is titled “Date ARB Completed”)
One additional abbreviation:
ISN – Internment Serial Number
And based on the chart, it seems that the highest ISN number is that of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed at US9KU-10024 (where the KU stands for Kuwait).
The fact that KSM has the highest ISN is likely because he was only assigned that ISN when he was finally transferred to GITMO from CIA custody to DOD custody.
The next highest listed is that of Hassan Ahmed Guleed from Somalia at 10023. Some of his ISN is blacked out (as are most detainees), but going by KSM’s ISN and others, the full ISN for Hassan Ahmed Guleed is likely US9SO-10023.
And I forgot to mention that 10,000+ Internment Serial Numbers probably is a valid pointer to 10,000+ detainees by the US government, doncha think?
Not necessarily. When I opened a new checking account here in Flagstaff, the bank suggested that my checks start with 1001. Why? Because anything less than 1001 is a flag to businesses that this is likely to be a new account, and therefore to ask for additional ID info.
I’m not sure what the analogy would be with prisoner numbers, but I’d be interested in knowing who prisoner 10,001 was, and if there was a prisoner 9,999 or not.
Bob in AZ
True, but when I thought about that technique, I decided it wouldn’t work very well.
The US government couldn’t predict how many detainees it would eventually hold, so an arbitrary division (say 100 to 300 for Saudis, 301 to 400 for Yemenis, etc.) might run into a stumbling block when the detainees captured from one particular place exceeded the alloted slots.
Just MHO, so YMMV. *g*
Jeff, it would be interesting to see who is at the top and who’s at the bottom of Yoo’s fac-totem pole.
Don’t know if I want to go there. In my line of business, I’ve gained a healthy respect for psychopathology. The less I think about the inner workings of a man like Yoo, the better.
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Actually, there were only a few Blackwater references listed for the first page. Here are the bulk of the first page entries:
William A. Cook: Sharon Recruits US as Mercenary Force Against SyriaApril 22, 2003. Edward Said The Appalling Consequences of the Iraq War … Sharon Recruits US Mercenaries Against Syria. Of Pariahs and Pre-emptive Strikes …
http://www.counterpunch.org/cook04262003.html – Cached – Similar
mostly AFRICA: US mercenaries offer to arrest Charles TaylorThursday, August 07, 2003. US mercenaries offer to arrest Charles Taylor … it had no funds and privately suggested the US might be willing to pay for it. …
mostlyafrica.blogspot.com/2003/…/us-mercenaries-offer-to-arrest-charles.html – Cached
MERCENARIES: MAKE US CONGO’S PEACEKEEPERS | Defense TechJun 26, 2003 … A consortium of mercenary groups has made the UN a deceptively simple proposal: give us $200 million, and we’ll help bring an end to the war …
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Foreign Policy In Focus | Global Affairs Commentary | Bombings …William D. Hartung, “Bombings Bring U.S. ‘Executive Mercenaries’ Into the Light,” (Silver City, NM & Washington, DC: Foreign Policy In Focus, May 16, 2003). …
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For the Record: United States Mercenaries run wild in United StatesUnited States Mercenaries run wild in United States. The rule of law in the United States seems to have completely broken down: The men from Blackwater USA …
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Amazon.com: Airmen Without Portfolio: U.S. Mercenaries in Civil …Amazon.com: Airmen Without Portfolio: US Mercenaries in Civil War Spain … and FLYING FOR ORVILLE: HOWARD RINEHART’S LIFE OF ADVENTURE (2003). …
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After Fallujah: The Truth About the Blackwater Mercenaries –RW/OR …Apr 11, 2004 … In August 2003, Blackwater was awarded a $21 million contract to supply … Using mercenaries to carry out these operations enables the U.S. …
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Rape of Iraqi girls by US mercenaries and soldiers was rampant in …Rape of Iraqi girls by US mercenaries … On May 22, 2003, in Baghdad, a nine-year-old girl was abducted from the stairs of the building where she lived, …
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Basingstoke mercenary’s last adventure lands him in US jail | UK …Sep 14, 2003 … Exclusive: From suburbs to Colombia, the bizarre tale of a failed assassin.
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NOTE: Will mods allow all these links?
Wow! You broke the link barrier!
I’ve never attempted more than three, but I use the little “chain” prompt so that the link is attached to highlighted wording such as a headline or news source.
For example, your last link would look like this…
Basingstoke mercenary’s last adventure lands him in US jail
Just copy the url into the “chain link” prompt box and the link gets associated with your highlighted text.
More on Balochistan from Asian Times:
Great heads-up on the unspoken significance of what the US is really doing over there…
This tells the reader that the US strategic goal is containment of Chinese expansionist ambitions. Which is why the US shouldn’t be alienating the folks who live there. The Taliban may like fighting the US but if China decides to try their hand at taming the graveyard of civilizations… well… it is going to be back to funding (not fighting) the mujahideen. Can’t we all get along?!
OK, your comment at 70 anticipates mine @ 84 and confirms my memory about “pipelineistan”. It is a border region (and much else), and there are Baluchi areas in Afghanistan (and adjacent Iran).
Bob in AZ
I started with Bradbury’s 2007 testimony and didn’t get very far before I found this twisted piece of work addressing the Federal Anti-Torture Statute:
What kind of pathetic excuse for a human being could actually believe this BS much less testify to it in front of a Congressional hearing? I bet his family is SO PROUD of him.
What Congressional Committee could listen to this without demanding his immediate ouster?
That’s a major part of our problem.
Agreed, and I’d add, what kinds of moral idiots could sit and listen to this and basically accept it all?
Hint: they serve in Congress.
God, that is one shocking load of evil garbage from Mr Bradbury.
Bradbury? He’s a lawyer right? Went to university? In America? And wrote this for the American government…?
His soul is sold.
I risk going way off thread here, but was following up my Balochistan mania, and ran across this in an Army publication, written by a supporter of a “Free Balochistan,” not to mention a general redrawing of the map of the Near East and South Asia. He is also in favor or predicts perpetual war. When the quote below was written (1997), Lt. Col. Ralph Peters was in the Office of the Deputy Chief of Staff for Intelligence, where he was “responsible for future warfare”.
More recently, Peters wrote in the summer 2006 edition of Armed Forces Journal:
Any reason to be paranoid, oh Pakistani brethren? While Peters does have it right about the historical instabilities of the existing political state boundaries in that part of the world, his vision of a powerful U.S., wading knee-deep in blood, playing one national and ethnic conflict off the other for the access to oil (and I’d add natural gas) supplies, and geopolitcal supremacy is frightening. Peters’ other writing assures us of the supremacy of the U.S., even over a modernizing China. Victory is ours, he might say.
I’m afraid our own society, much less the rest of the world, may not survive such victory.
Jeff, it has been my vague and amateur understanding for a few years that Cheney was focused on Baluchistan partly because of its strategic location and that, in exchange for Musharraf’s undertaking to pacify the region and ensure the security of U.S. bases there, Cheney would wink at Musharraf’s benign neglect of the autonomous tribal regions. See this 2006 reading by Luciana Bohne.
Maybe yes, maybe no, but that is pretty much what has happened. There is a strong Baloch nationalist movement still though. Write about Baluchistan, and you will get mail.
and @ 77. Here’s another wrinkle. Comments? They’d surely be appreciated.
Energy annalist Jerome a Paris at Daily Kos does not believe that a trans-central asia pipeline is possible in the current economic/political situation.
Jeff Kaye (77) — yes, Balochistan is a critical issue with regards to the pursuit of terrorists, and yes, energy plays a critical role as well.
I’ve theorized that we have been engaged in a global energy war; not all the aims are transparent, nor the players. The average citizen hasn’t been watching carefully enough, in part because it requires watching from a global perspective and over time, while most events appear in a localized silo.
Like the disputes between Russia and countries which contract with them for natural gas — we see periodic episodes where threats to cut off gas are made if pricing isn’t changed. It appears quite coincidental that leaders of countries die of heart attacks. Or that individuals die under odd circumstances in foreign lands.
But there’s not a lot of public effort to map these events and connect any dots. Perhaps it’s because connections aren’t always made in the same plane of space and time, and are often disrupted by political events over the course of years.
Like these things which appeared unrelated over the course of years:
That pipeline through Afghanistan may be the same Central pipeline referred to in links above, and to the best of my knowledge might run right through Balochistan. There has been another pipeline in discussions for over a decade (see first link in this comment) which does not run towards the ocean but towards India.
Let’s assume for a moment that we’ve been to peak oil and we’re on a decline. What’s the next fuel we use until we can develop enough alternative energy at scale? And what might an unrestricted, asymmetrical war for the next fuel look like?
A lot of terrorism? a mess of assassinations — or convenient heart attacks?
Yes, the natural gas resources are vital. It was only some months ago (a year) that Europe was held hostage of sorts when Russia was battling Ukraine over control of gas flow (IIRC).
Coincidences indeed. I’d not place all assassinations upon the U.S., however (as horrible as it is that the U.S. does this at all — ask Thomas Narut!), but between the Brits, the ISI, the various “terrorists”, the Chinese, the Russians, the Uzbeks, Turkmen, etc. etc. (and don’t forget the tribal grudges!), we’ve got ourselves quite a bloody mess. Wait til those little baby Predators start buzzing through those windows (per Jane Mayer) — Hey, caves don’t have windows… go figure!
Nah, no need to place all the assassinations on the U.S. — but we are the point of origin for what is now an independently-owned and operated army which has a depth of experience in the trade.
I suspect that BW is for hire by all comers, particularly if the interested parties are asking for a hit on a non-Christian.
And the little baby Predators don’t need windows, only a small opening. Imagine all the little kiddies playing video games today, used to perceiving the world through their monitors, comfortable with “flying” via remote console, all grown up and tasked with doing the same thing for money but remotely flying tiny devices smaller than an iPod Nano with an onboard camera.
Quite literally Frank Herbert’s “hunter-seeker” realized by DARPA.
Well done. What makes your list of events interesting to me is the overlay of the EU energy history and their moves made towards full alternative energy during the time period of 2002-2006. Once the EU was on a schedule for total green energy by 2021. Three years ago, there was a push to move things along and their membership has been working overtime to move that completion date and by no mistake or happenstance. Now the EU is forecast to be all alternative energy between 2012-2015. Those are dates that we need to wake up and smell the coffee over.
I think the “Oh crap we sit in the middle of this race,” brought an edge to their vision to get going ASAP.
Thanks. Was listening to news yesterday morning about the XTO acquisition by Exxon, during which the journo said that XTO was a plus for Exxon being one of the largest natural gas companies here in US, and natural gas was going to be much in demand since it created less carbon emissions than coal as a fuel and seen as a gateway fuel between coal/petroleum and alternative energy sources.
It was the perfect encapsulation as to why all the global natural gas plays over the the last decade must be viewed more carefully.
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It was the perfect encapsulation as to why all the global natural gas plays over the the last decade must be viewed more carefully..
War and Natural Gas: The Israeli Invasion and Gaza’s Offshore Gas …Jan 8, 2009 … In 2003, Ariel Sharon, vetoed an initial deal, which would allow British Gas to supply Israel with natural gas from Gaza’s offshore wells. …
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NOTE: Rayne this is an excellent piece. I had read a while back about the abundance of natural gas off the Gaza coast.
This article gives an extensive timeline of previous events leading to current situation off Gaza coast today.
Superior info,imho.
CIA working with Palestinian security agents
US agency co-operating with Palestinian counterparts who allegedly torture Hamas supporters in West Bank
Palestinian security agents who have been detaining and allegedly torturing supporters of the Islamist organisation Hamas in the West Bank have been working closely with the CIA, the Guardian has learned.
Less than a year after Barack Obama signed an executive order that prohibited torture and provided for the lawful interrogation of detainees in US custody, evidence is emerging the CIA is co-operating with security agents whose continuing use of torture has been widely documented by human rights groups. . .
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/dec/17/cia-palestinian-security-agents