WaPo, I Hate to Say I Told You So…
Back when DOJ first submitted its motion to hide a bunch of information from Dick Cheney’s interview, I did a post calling out the Washington Post for what appeared to be factually incorrect reporting.
The WaPay2PlayPo’s Jeffrey Smith is usually a much better reporter than this. In his report on DOJ’s latest attempt to keep the materials from Cheney’s Fitzgerald interview secret–published right under a link to all the evidence released in the trial–Smith “reports,”
A document filed in federal court this week by the Justice Department offers new evidence that former vice president Richard B. Cheney helped steer the Bush administration’s public response to the disclosure of Valerie Plame Wilson’s employment by the CIA and that he was at the center of many related administration deliberations.
Which, if you take “new evidence” to mean “a new list summarizing many of the events described in evidence introduced two years ago at the Libby trial,” would be factually correct.
But this isn’t.
Barron also listed as exempt from disclosure Cheney’s account of his requests for information from the CIA about the purported purchase; Cheney’s discussions with top officials about the controversy over Bush’s mention of the uranium allegations in his 2003 State of the Union speech; and Cheney’s discussions with deputy I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, press spokesman Ari Fleischer, and Chief of Staff Andrew H. Card Jr. “regarding the appropriate response to media inquiries about the source of the disclosure” of Valerie Plame Wilson’s identity. [my emphasis]
Smith gets that last bit from this language in the filing.
Vice President’s recollection of discussions with Lewis Libby, the White House Communications Director, and the White House Chief of Staff regarding the appropriate response to media inquiries about the source of the disclosure of Valerie Plame Wilson’s identity as a CIA employee.
Now, the language used there–”the source of the disclosure of Valerie Plame Wilson’s identity”–ought to be a pretty big clue to Smith that this conversation happened after Plame’s identity was actually made public. That is, after July 14, 2003, which happened to be Ari Fleischer’s last day, meaning it’s pretty clear that Ari Fleischer (who was White House Spokesperson, not Communications Director) isn’t the guy referenced here. But you don’t really need clues like that to figure out that Smith is wrong here. Had Smith only clicked that link above his article and actually looked at the evidence released at trial, he would have seen the famous “meat grinder note,” a note Cheney used as a talking point document for conversations with Andy Card (correctly identified by Smith as Chief of Staff) and Dan Bartlett (in his role as “White House Communications Director,” the position listed in the filing) in early October 2003 to get them to force Scottie McClellan to exonerate Scooter Libby publicly.
I also wrote the reporter of the piece, Jeffrey Smith, to let him know about the mistake. His first response was to accuse me of being “over the top” (note, the “posts below it” pertain to the WaPo’s Pay2Play scandal).
i’m busy with kids today, but glanced at your note and i have to say it’s over the top — as are some of the blog posts below it. will respond in full this evening. but you are seeing more than is actually there, as you occasionally do.
I ignored that comment in my response.
Thanks for the response, Jeff–I look forward to your fuller response later.
Have a nice day with your kids.
In his response back, Smith used a fair bit of sarcasm even while complaining about my snark.
i shall have to look more closely at the fleischer/bartlett question. our researcher advised me that fleischer was the right person for the time period in question, and i recalled some fleischer-cheney interactions in the record.
of course i knew and know that the cheney conversations that were directly referenced took place AFTER the public disclosure through Novak, from Armitage.
as to what was newsworthy — i’m not aware of any prior listing of what cheney and fitzgerald discussed, and that question has been a topic of enormous curiousity. i know you have the whole case solved, and all the loose ends tied up, but many others would still like to know more. otherwise, there would never have been a FOIA in the first place.
as to the “conflation” of two grafs into one — i mean really — do you really think that was part of a conspiracy to neutralize or hide damning information? come on now. you’re much more sensible than that. you must be. what i wrote was accurate. the added detail you posted was of interest, but not of sufficient interest to warrant inclusion in a brief article.
i thought the tone of your whole posting was snarky, by the way. i suppose that’s what drives traffic. but it was unwarranted.
The “conflation” of two graphs refers to my complaint that Smith used the “NIE leak is a leak to Judy” shorthand that is common among journalists. In my long follow-up post, I noted that this was not inaccurate (though the Fleischer/Bartlett confusion was), just sloppy.
First, just to set the record straight, I was correct. The passage from the DOJ filing Smith and I were discussing reads:
Page 23, lines 29-40: Vice President’s recollection of discussions with Lewis Libby, the White House Communications Director, and the White House Chief of Staff regarding the appropriate response to media inquiries about the source of the disclosure of Valerie Plame Wilson’s identity as a CIA employee.
If you look at pages 23 and 24 of Cheney’s interview, you see that the context of the redacted passage includes:
- A paragraph about when Cheney first learned of the investigation in September 2003.
- A paragraph about Scott McClellan’s exoneration of Rove on September 29, 2003, ending in the sentence, “Specifically , Vice President Cheney believed that fairness dictated that similar disqualifying statements should be made to the media on hehalf of Libby and Elliot Abrams of the NSC, both of whom were the speculative targets of leak allegations by the media that week.”
- The redacted passage followed by the sentence, “He did not know if Scooter Libby independently attempted to get the White House press office to make a statement clearing him prior to discussing it with the Vice President.”
- A paragraph describing lots of things Cheney claimed not to remember that Libby had testified to discussing with Cheney in fall 2003.
- A paragraph discussing the “meat grinder” note.
I think you’ll agree that the redacted passage references–as I said–Cheney’s discussions with Andy Card and Dan Bartlett, made right after he wrote the meat grinder note, ordering them to exonerate Libby, too.
As of 11:21 this morning, the original WaPo story remains uncorrected. Also note, the entire premise of the story–that…
A document filed in federal court this week by the Justice Department offers new evidence that former vice president Richard B. Cheney helped steer the Bush administration’s public response to the disclosure of Valerie Plame Wilson’s employment by the CIA and that he was at the center of many related administration deliberations.
…Doesn’t hold up given the interview. In fact, the interview shows that Cheney claimed to have had no role in any of this, that even while Fitzgerald asked him a lot of questions about his role in the public response to Wilson’s op-ed and Plame’s disclosure, Cheney denied being involved and/or remembering being involved. Of course, none of us could have known at the time that Cheney was going to have recall problems to make Alberto Gonzales look mentally acute, so I’m not all that worried about this issue.
What I am interested in is Jeffrey Smith’s response to my correction, and his defense of his own reporting.
Look at Smith’s description of how he determined that the reference was to Fleischer, not Bartlett:
our researcher advised me that fleischer was the right person for the time period in question, and i recalled some fleischer-cheney interactions in the record.
Now, as I pointed out in the post, the issue was not whether Fleischer had some interactions with OVP (indeed, Fitzgerald did ask Cheney whether he knew of Libby’s lunch with Fleischer at which he told Fleischer of Plame’s identity, as well as other interactions with him). He did. Rather, it’s whether a description of something involving the “White House Communications Director” might instead have meant “White House Press Secretary.” Both WaPo’s researcher and Smith appear to have ignored the actual title used in the court filing. Then there’s the question of timing. The description referred to a “response to media inquiries about the source of the disclosure of Valerie Plame Wilson’s identity,” not the response to Wilson’s op-ed, which given Fleischer’s last day was the day that Novak outed Plame, does pretty much rule him out.
In other words, the WaPo researcher, Smith, and however many editors reviewed this story ignored two significant discrepancies between their reporting and the record: the title used, and the timing indicated. And guess what? By ignoring the actual language used in the filing, the WaPo allowed an error into their story.
So, having reviewed how the WaPo ended up letting errors into its story, let’s look at Smith’s other response to my attempted correction. First, Smith accused me of being over the top and seeing things that weren’t there:
it’s over the top — as are some of the blog posts below it. will respond in full this evening. but you are seeing more than is actually there, as you occasionally do.
And then he sarcastically dismisses my work on this story and states that my own snark was unwarranted.
i know you have the whole case solved, and all the loose ends tied up … i thought the tone of your whole posting was snarky, by the way. i suppose that’s what drives traffic. but it was unwarranted.
Jeffrey Smith, how are those attacks holding up now that–four months later–I have been proven right on this matter? It turns out that the WaPo’s team, not me, were seeing things that weren’t there. And let’s reconsider whether my snark was “unwarranted,” shall we? You’re a newspaper that ignored the actual wording of a document that you reported on!!! And when the actual wording was pointed out to you, you just ignored that, too.
When I snarkily stated, four months ago, that the Pay2PlayPo had forgotten how to do reporting, my snark came from a disgust at how badly the WaPo’s standards have fallen, both with regards to selling access to its journalists and with regards to the actual reporting. Now, I don’t know who decided the WaPo’s editors get to decide what the appropriate response should be when the WaPo chooses to let errors go uncorrected for four months. But I’d say that given the laziness that went into that reporting and the disinterest in correcting any mistakes, snark was very much warranted.
This story started out with what should have been a very minor correction. “Oops. No big deal, everyone here at WaPo read the document too quickly.” But instead, it turned into a moment when the WaPo lashed out rather than making sure it provided its readers with the best quality product it could.
Snark away at WaPO Marcy. Dropped my WaPo once I found your blog.
Marcy correct. WaPo lazy and wrong.
She told you so!!!!!
Translation: I think you’re too little for me to bother about, but I work 24/7 (even when babysitting my own kids) and you offended me by suggesting my story was less than perfect. So I’ll send you a snotty Bobo Brooks like note to suggest that you’re immature and looking at bark rather than the trees or woods.
I thought reporters were supposed to have thick skins. Not when it comes to their “reputations” and their ability to make six or seven figure incomes by putting out front-page stories friendly to the powers that be.
A professional, “I am out of the office today and will look at your concerns upon my return,” would have been the best reply.
I find, er, it amusing that so many people are fearful of snark.
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How Cheney-like of Mr. Smith to praise his researcher and to blame them for any wrong facts. How Cheney-like of him to exonerate himself from liability for including in his own work the work of those he pays for and supervises, and for which he gets the public credit.
Harry Truman was remarkable for openly displaying an unusual sign on his desk. It read, “The buck stops here”. It must have been remarkable because the standard for Washington isn’t such a forthright, Scout motto. It is a game of brutal adult musical cheers. When the music stops, when word leaks, when the shit hits the fan, the one without a chair or cover gets the slops. Mr. Smith’s comment is a petty example.
Agreed. It takes a big man to admit he’s wrong. There are very few big men or women in D.C., but there are thousands of politicians, elected and
unelected, public and private.
And Marcy, I don’t say it often enough: Thank you for what you do, both digging better than Mike Mulligan and providing a forum for the Emptywheel Irregulars!
I thought reporters did reporting. Smith seems like a stenographer. Do you accept what your research tells you at face value or do you check it yourself. Sounds like another Beltway wanker that is too lazy to do his own work and when he gets busted by a proverbial blogger in pajamas he makes snide comments and blames said researcher for his own failures.
One of the reasons I read EW is becomes of marcy’s excellent reportage, especially anything pertaining to Plame, torture, or the anthrax investigation. If anyone in the trad Media was as thorough as Marcy, the rest of the lazy reporters would be copying off of that person. Instead they mock the messenger simply because she is a “blogger.” And newspaper executives scratch their heads because somehow fewer people are buying their daily birdcage liner.
What Johnny said. Or, what should be on the wall at every Wapo reporter’s desk:
“This is the Law: Facts unreal? Face the Wheel.”
As you point out, the big story is that Cheney claimed under oath not to have known about or micromanaged putting out stories to rebut a few, if powerful, attacks his leadership and his publicly acknowledged reasons for going to war in Iraq. At the time, that war was just entering its damning occupation phase, including the “discovery” that there were no WMD’s after all.
Cheney almost certainly did play such a role, but these interview notes convey the opposite impression, which EW caught and Mr. Smith refuses to acknowledge. Mr. Cheney worked very hard in this interview not to perjure himself; he may not have been successful.
First, a little precision:
It couldn’t be “perjury” unless he first swore an oath to tell the truth [whole truth, nothing but, etc.], or first affirmed that he would consider himself bound to tell the truth [etc.] as if he had sworn such an oath.
Recall that in the Trial of Libby, among the 5 charges in the indictment confronting the perp, two were of “lying” in a formal law enforcment investigation after being warned that’s what was going on, and the jury found Libby guilty on 4 counts, the only acquittal being on one of the two “lying” charges. These would be the closest parallels to what’s being suggested in relation to the Cheney interview.
[Among the differences would be that Cheney added this caveat, for which I don’t think there’s a clean parallel in the FBI interviews of Libby–from page #1:
“However, the Vice President added that any matters that might arise during the course of the interview which, in his judgment, fall outside the scope of the investigation may require him to exercise a privilege not to answer certain questions, particularly those that relate to private conversations he may have had with the president”]
Second, we’re talking “lying” to the FBI in a formal investigation, bringing in all the attendant difficulties in imprecision & listener bias [meant in the same sense as in the psychological term “correspondence bias”], which we discussed at length before and during the Trial of Libby, including:
the choice not to use a neutral recording device or agent, such as videotape or audiotape or a stenographer;
the document even self-purporting to be a “summary”, in contradistinction to being verbatim;
thus a summary of a soup of impressions, & highly vulnerable to being both marketed and criticized as being anything from thick stew to thin gruel
[BTW: R.I.P., Soupy Sales].
Third, it’s worthwhile recalling that Fitz was able to take the jury in the Trial of Libby not one, but two FBI, summaries, thus if you will a two-dimensional view of the material particular of the one count of lying that Libby was convicted for, but even more, that the then-alleged lie could be viewed by the jury through the prism of Libby being asked about the same subject matter before the GJ, which was recorded so verbatim, in detail.
Fourth, comparing the investigation’s questioning of Libby with that of Cheney, to the extent one is at all analogous to a meat grinder, the other is relatively Monty Python’s Spanish Inquisition with added padding, apologies & soothing tea offered throughout. And that’s so without the slightest regard for Fitz’ close examination of Libby before the Grand Jury.
I think emptywheel has done a characteristically terrific and nonpareil job of pulling apart Cheney’s b.s. [for which it’s starting to appear she’s finally gained something of the deference in corners of the establishment press world that she long ago fully earned here]; but it’s not really even clear to me that, in May of 2004, when this interview was conducted, the Plame affair was even listed on fearless leader’s agenda [If I recall The Book at all accurately, it was emptywheel’s fascination with that strange bird of embed paradise, judyious milleraticus newyorkistania, that led to her plamania.]. In any event, it’s very largely due to her work that we can not just impute but today can both know and say that on that May day in 2004, Cheney lied through his clenched teeth like the twisted psychopathic criminal mob boss he was and is.
Try to envision a scenario in which Fitz comes into the White House to interview the Veep, armed with full perfect prescience as to what would become known over the course of the next 3 years, or at the very least with this lefty blogger in tow with pretty much the same prescience. What would Dick have done?
Would the heat sensors located about his eye slits have detected a different type of threat–and if so, would he have reacted accordingly, and differently? Assuming you were Fitz & after indicting the Veep much as Libby was indicted, for lies told to investigators: would want the investigators to have a follow up shot at the Veep, with the prospect of one or more Grand Jury appearances in your back pocket, and something like the same level of confidence that you were dealing with a cow-able authoritarian follower type, as opposed to the imperious Grand Fromage?
Finally in this vein, I think Cheney & his family & his henchpersons have been dreading the day this summary might come out precisely because of what fearless leader could do and has done with it — not just over this weekend, but over the course of the last 4 years.
Well, and the most important thing about PapaDick’s horizon on May 8, 2004 is that PatFitz had not yet formally subpoenaed his first journalist yet. Negotiations with Russert started the following week, then Pincus and Kessler, and then Cooper. The notion that Fitz would succeed in getting Judy Judy Judy to testify was far from PapaDick’s horizon.
Thanks for this remote audible capturing your nickel finally hitting bottom–after throwing it in yourself while My [actually bmaz’] Favrite Mississippian was spoiling his chance of getting a statue in Green Bay. Again: if y’all are scoring at home, that’s a dangling-question-you-would-know-if-you-were-really-gifted-and-into-this-stuff-and-really-should-if-you-are-working-for-a-major-news-organization-and-value-credibility all-time record-shattering 20 hours and change. But it really could use some appropriate audio, like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbEKAwCoCKw&feature=player_embedded
This might be a great rationalization if I could claim to have got it otherwise, but I seem to recall some report that very shortly after Jackie [Eckenrode] met Fitz [New Year’s Eve 2003?], Eckenrode was saying Fitz had this brilliant idea — which I assumed from the context was the pursuit of blanket waivers of journalist confidentiality pledges. Goes to show how the mind conflates & projects; as you point out, it seems ridiculously unlikely that Cheney would be able to guess at all that.
Unless for course he accounted for the essential cravenness at the heart of the beasts he’d chosen to burden with his crazed plot, in particular the tiny remnant of a cowardly heart the Undead One kept secreted in his crypt.
[Unless of course Redux, if for some reason he would not need to even guess lucky….[cue the sinister music]… [It’s almost tempting to go over to Tom MacGuire’s treehouse or American Stinker & bait the animals with some homespun conspiracy theory.]
Libby had refused to sign a waiver in–IIRC–November 2003. Novak had said he would not accept blanket waivers, but then testified when he learned he would only have to testify about Armi, Rove, and Harlow.
That would have tipped me off mighty quickly that there was some universe of testimony the key players were trying to carve out. And that’s long before you get to Judy Judy Judy.
Yeah well now I’m just getting confused about the dimensions of your point. We agree — you, as usual, bringing bagged, sealed, numbered, itemized, analyzed proof [show-off]– that as of May 2004 it would be rational for Cheney to do what he did with the blanket journalists waiver that Fitz proffered: mumble some gibberish about having to consult a lawyer [like the one immediately at hand and the other with his ear to the keyhole were merely a couple of slabs of moldy gouda], put on a little travelling music, bite a neck or two and move on out of range–permanently. So anyway, even tho it doesn’t deserve bonus points, I’m sticking with the answer I gave yesterday:
“The previously Undead One sure seemed to want to make it clear that Fitz was able to produce a waiver from every administration person Novak eventually ’squealed’ on.”
Okay, but my question is still: “WTF can’t the Pay2PlayPo see that what Dick Cheney actually said to the FBI was ‘f*ck you, hahahahahaaaaa, because I can.'”
For that WaPo guy to miss that one took some genuine talent.
As I said previously, I do not necessarily disagree with Fitzgerald’s exercise of discretion; whether one agrees or disagrees with his decision, it is hard to say it was unreasonable. That said, if one were to go after Cheney, it would have to be on false statements, not perjury as you indicate. If you crafted on a charge on very specific articulable statements, you might be able to make it, but it is iffy as you indicate. What you do not discuss however, and would be pertinent to such a discussion, is obstruction.
I know you couldn’t prosecute him for this statement, but he really was thumbing his nose at Fitzgerald with this one:
Everybody in Washington knows the legendary contempt that Cheney has for the CIA. If you picked any random Hill staffer and asked them to play word association with “Cheney” and “CIA”, I guarantee you would get a synonym for contempt. Cheney has waged a 30 year war against the CIA for being “too soft”.
This is Cheney’s way of saying “I’m willing to lie through my teeth and you can’t do a damn thing about it”.
Well, sure. Except that now Cheney is the CIA torturers’ best cheerleader.
Funny how that worked.
A part of my point is that if Cheney got even a mere whiff of Fitz thinking seriously about following up in his direction [and for all know, he might have], that would have been decried & denounced & gutted & slandered with the same bloody-intestine gobbling gusto with which he dispatched everything else that troubled him.
Oops–plus I agree with you on the obstruction; but the distinction is moot now & always would have been. Don’t we get the impression that Bush wanted Cheney to suffer a little, like by proxy, but not a whole bunch, such that any blood might splash on presidential shoes?
took place AFTER the public disclosure through Novak, from Armitage
So he didn’t want to even venture: “…took place AFTER the public disclosure through Novak, from Armitage and Rove” eh?
You think his researcher forgot to tell him about Rove? *g*
It’s a stupid point anyway. I said, “the reference is clearly about goings-on that happened in the WH AFTER Plame was outed. And from that he claimed I was saying that PapaDick’s interview itself happened after Plame was outed.
Um, no.
Anyway, don’t forget the disclosure to Judy Judy Judy in your list there.
Their disdain is palpable and limitless. It’s really all they’ll have left soon, if not now: contempt for people who do their jobs better than they do.
Imagine dinosaurs attempting to bellow snark at the tiny mammals underfoot as they lurched toward the LaBrea tarpits, while the comet appeared in the sky above.
Translation: “I’m too important to do this kind of Journalism 101 myself, so I asked one of my junior staffers to check it out, and I’m gonna believe her rather than you.” And notice that he doesn’t actually dispute the facts, but instead appeals, second hand, to a reference book, rather than to specific relevant documents, as Marcy did.
Bloggers sometimes get slammed for being careless with the facts, but Marcy once again proves that she’s a better custodian of the facts than are many highly placed professional journalists.
Bob in AZ
Your response, “have a nice day with your kids,” made me laugh. Not sure if you intended it to come across that way but it just cracked me up.
[BTW: R.I.P., Soupy Sales].
Love your sense of humor, LabDancer@8.
Mikey was on Hardball with David Corn talking about the Cheney interview. I couldn’t quite determine whether he deviated from his previous script.
Better yet, on Countdown, FDL (i.e., EW) got a shout out from Olbermann and John Dean no less than 3 times!
Bob in AZ
EW – I guess you should be glad he sent an email instead of throwing a punch
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/02/iwashington-posti-employe_n_342337.html
(I really want to know the worst story now too).
This post is quite simply one of the best I have ever read on FDL. EW, you have just perfectly summed up the recent TradMed approach to journalism by highlighting this one bozo.
So did you send him another email? I’d love to know his response. LOL