Is DOJ Withholding the OPR Report Tomorrow to Frame a White-Wash Investigation?
MadDog pointed to this passage in NYT’s story on the new revelations from the CIA IG report.
Besides the inspector general’s report, other documents expected to be released Monday are a 2007 Justice Department memo reauthorizing the C.I.A.’s “enhanced” interrogation techniques, documents that former Vice President Dick Cheney has said provide evidence that the interrogation methods produced valuable information about Al Qaeda; and Justice Department memos from 2006 concerning conditions of confinement in C.I.A. jails.
Best as I can tell, these are:
2007 Justice Department memo: The OLC memo Spencer was the first to report. From his Windy report:
As a result, according to the former senior intelligence official, after Bush issued the order, the CIA again asked the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel to review the techniques listed in the revised interrogation program in order to determine their legality, just as the Office of Legal Counsel had done in 2002 and 2005, after previous periods of challenge to the post-9/11 interrogation program.
2006 Justice Department memos: The SSCI Narrative describes these to be interpretations of the DTA and the Hamdan decision.
In June 2006, in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, the Supreme Court held that Common Article 3 of the Geneva Convention applied to the conflict with Al-Qa’ida, contrary to the position previously adopted by the President. Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions requires that detainees “shall in all circumstances be treated humanely,” and prohibits “outrages upon personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading treatment” and “violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture.” At the time of the Hamdan decision, the War Crimes Act defined the term “war crime” to include “a violation of Common Article 3.”
In August 2006, OLC issued two documents considering the legality of the conditions of confinement in CIA facilities. One of the documents was an opinion interpreting the Detainee Treatment Act; the other document was a letter interpreting Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions, as enforced by the War Crimes Act. These documents included consideration of U.S. constitutional law and the legal decisions of international tribunals and other countries.
Cheney’s documents: Reporting elsewhere suggests this will include more than just the two documents Cheney requested, but a few others. They will basically argue, for example, that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed provided a ton of information, but they will not consider whether torture was the most effective way of getting him to provide that information. As Spencer has reported, both Ron Wyden and Russ Feingold supported their release.
Okay, it looks like a busy week for us here.
But notice what is not on this list?
The Office of Public Responsibility report, which has been due out all summer, and last we heard was at the CIA being reviewed to protect (presumably) John Rizzo’s role in crafting OLC memos that claimed to authorize torture.
Which is all very convenient for Eric Holder’s reported plan to name a prosecutor to investigate torture (I’m guessing this will happen this week, if not tomorrow itself), but not to investigate the process that went into "authorizing" torture.
If it is, indeed, DOJ’s plan to release all the other torture documents save the OPR report, it will have the effect of distracting the media with horrible descriptions of threats with power drills and waterboarding, away from the equally horrible description of lawyers willfully twisting the law to "authorize" some of those actions. It will shift focus away from those that set up a regime of torture and towards those who free-lanced within that regime in spectacularly horrible ways. It will hide the degree to which torture was a conscious plan, and the degree to which the oral authorizations for torture may well have authorized some of what we’ll see in the IG Report tomorrow.
If it is, indeed, DOJ’s plan to release the IG Report and announce an investigation without, at the same time, releasing the OPR report, it will serve the goal of exposing the Lynndie England’s of the torture regime while still protecting those who instituted that regime.
I can’t wait for the “Report Vindicates Bush Interrogation Policies” headlines on Fox.
It will shift focus away from those that set up a regime of torture and towards those who free-lanced within that regime in spectacularly horrible ways. It will hide the degree to which torture was a conscious plan, and the degree to which the oral authorizations for torture may well have authorized some of what we’ll see in the IG Report tomorrow.
If it is, indeed, DOJ’s plan to release the IG Report and announce an investigation without, at the same time, releasing the OPR report, it will serve the goal of exposing the Lynndie England’s of the torture regime while still protecting those who instituted that regime.
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To the persons in the Press who have power and a wide reaching voice: Publish this. Broadcast this. Discuss this with the other people to whom you pay so much money to give their opinions.
“… it will serve the goal of exposing the Lynndie Englands of the torture regime while still protecting those who instituted that regime.”
Who could have imagined?/SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
DW
Hmm…if I’m one of the targeted worker bees, how long will I tolerate it without fingering my superiors?
Specifically, how will they protect the contractors who had the VP’s office on the phone during interrogations?
Boxturtle (Let the backstabbing commence!)
One more revelation set for tomorrow: Der Spiegel will publish details of its memo that it got from Xe detailing rendition from Guantanamo to Kandahar. I had always thought rendition was something that happened right at capture. How can they render and torture (further) someone who has already been at Gitmo for a while? Link in my diary.
That’ll be interesting. That aircraft had to have stopped at a non-us location to refuel and Der Speigel will have no interest in redacting that part.
Anybody make to bet on either Austrailia or or Diego Garcia? Either would create a nice mushroom cloud of editorials in the papers.
Boxturtle (Suspects Diego Garcia, meaning we lied to our best friends the Brits again)
From a teaser story on Der Spiegel’s English site:
But then Australia has that loaded CD of torture images…
I doubt you lied (much) to Tony Blair. More like Tony lied to his own people … again.
Just posted a comment in your diary–we know some of the HVDs had been in Gitmo before they were returned there in 2006, almost certainly including Abu Zubaydah.
Thanks. I knew that if this had come up before you would be able to tell us when and how we were told.
It does seem that rendition after already being in Gitmo does fall outside the usual claim that torture was necessary to get intelligence on attacks that were in advanced stages of planning. They can’t claim that for folks who’ve already been held for months to years.
Yesterday,on another thread about Al Nashiri, references were made to the threat of drills ,in interrogations.
I came across THIS in the comment section over at Truthdig,on a thread about Al Nashiri.
“When exchanged for the British sailors arrested in disputed waters off Iran’s coast he was promptly returned. Along with nine holes drilled in his feet, and probably minus his mind. – “
http://www.shiatv.net/view_vid…..bd82408ce7
This has nothing to do with al-Nashiri. What is your point of posting so much craziness here, today?
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Truthdig: Drilling Beneath the HeadlinesAug 23, 2009 … Truthdig: Drilling Beneath the Headlines – 2009/08/22 –
http://www.truthdig.com/ – 7 hours ago – Cached – Similar
Interesting tidbit from Ray McGovern re Blackwater. (Apologies if someone has already provided the link.)
Blackwater’s Unwritten Death Contract
By Ray McGovern
August 21, 2009 “Information Clearing House”
. . .
“What Mazzetti does not mention — and what he, like the vast majority of Americans, may not know — is that there is a one-sentence umbrella “contract” available for use as authorization for such activities. It creates a structural fault, so to speak, and a legal loophole through which Bush and Cheney drove a Mack truck of lawlessness.
. . .
“The Act (as slightly amended) stipulates that the CIA Director shall:
“Perform such functions and duties related to intelligence affecting the national security as the President or the National Security Council may from time to time direct.”
“There’s the “umbrella contract.” While more than one past President (I served under seven during my tenure at CIA) has taken advantage of that open language, the Bush administration translated the dodging into a new art form. This, in turn, was sustained by Frankenstein cottage industries like Blackwater to launch and operate the administration’s own Gestapo. I use the word advisedly; do not blanch before it.”
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So, the “umbrella” went from a catch-all to an “absolutely must have.”
i’m assuming that’d be kenney thru clinton …
i hope now that you’ve told us .. you won’t have to kill us … /s ..
also .. i’m not so sure how well that “umbrella” fatster refers to will shed rain .. under american law a contract which enfolds illegality is unenforceable in any court .. which would .. imo .. also negate any protection the umbrella might be thought to provide ..
[one of you lawyers just jump right in please]
I hope you’re correct, and it was a typical BushCo effort to do whatever they wished behind a fig leaf.
Eeeeeek!
Oh, I see, you are making a joke. You had me going there for a few secs.
lol .. bear with me .. i’m relatively harmless if i take my meds regularly .. /s
and re:#16 from what i’ve seen of bush lawyering so far .. i have no confidence in it’s ability to prevail in the long run ..
provided of course .. the issue ever sees the inside of a court ..
At the time (1947) the creation of the CIA was being hashed out in congress, there were arguments as to whom it would answer. Some wanted to make it an arm of the presidency. Finally it was placed under the direction of the National Security Council.
[Excerpted from book, JFK -pg 19, by L. Fletcher Prouty]
Thnx so much.
Glad to share that with you, fatster. There are some good Truman statements in that book also. He was very apprehensive about what the CIA had become in his later years. Excerpt, page 97:
[IMHO, one more thing that Ike could have done was to fire the Dulles brothers; and Oh how I wish he had done that.]
And all this is from the JFK book? I must get it and read it. Thank you so much. And I couldn’t agree more with your IMHO comment, either. Never understood why Ike got stuck with them, the Dulles’. Mainly because of them and the Ladies’ Home Journal articles on Mamie, I thought Ike was a great general but otherwise kind of, well, slow, content to let others run the show while he golfed. Once I’d dismissed him, however, he comes at us full-barrel with those remarks about the military-industrial complex and so on. He sure gave me an attitude adjustment; and I’ve quoted him many times since, too.
fatster, go here; you will find there the door that leads to many of the first tunnels of the rabbit-hole world we now are trapped in.
BTW, ReaderOfTeaLeaves is working on a blockbuster of a diary that hopefully will be forthcoming sometime this week. Please don’t miss it.
This links to a VERY interesting synopsis:
Powell’s Books – Torture Taxi: On the Trail of the CIA’s Rendition …A US official involved in CIA renditions  In a daring first-person … pilots who fly CIA aircraft; study with a planespotter who tracks CIA planes in the …
http://www.powells.com/biblio/9781933…..;PID=31754 – Cached – Similar
Something that I think EW implied, but I’ll be explicit about is that I’m guessing that tommorrow’s release of “…Justice Department memos from 2006 concerning conditions of confinement in C.I.A. jails…” means that they will join the previously released 4 OLC memos in the “Obama has withdrawn” category.
This seems to me, as I asked yesterday, to tie in with the Obama Administration’s plant of the story in the NYT of the new Red Cross detainee notification policy.
You know, the one where the detainees will now get letters from home and Red Cross care packages containing chocolate, chewing gum, Cracker Jacks, nylons, and condoms as well as learning how to sing Kumbaya just like any other prisoners of war.
Shorter Obama Administration: “All our prisoners just love us and want to stay in our prisons forever!”
All of this is meant to provide an Obama Administration political juxtaposition for AG Holder’s announcement of torture prosecutor.
I’m not saying there will actually be torture prosecutions. Just that there will be a torture prosecutor.
Big difference!
I think you’re over-reading what they’ll get from ICRC. They ICRC will know of their existence, but I’m not sure they’ll get to visit them–or send chocolate.
But the nylons are coming, right? *g*
Has anyone noticed that the dates of which these revelations are occuring,and will continue to occur with the release of the IG report, coincide with the beginning of Ramadan?
This year, Ramadan began August 22 and will continue through September 19 .
Here’s a few words from Islam 101 about Ramadan:
Ramadan is a Muslim period of fasting which takes place during the ninth month of the Islamic year. Ramadan begins at dawn and continues to sunset.
During this period of fasting Muslims may not eat or drink anything-including water-during daylight hours. Before sunrise a meal (suhoor) is eaten. After sunset a meal (iftar) is eaten.
Ramadan is based upon the lunar calendar, and so the dates shift year to year.
For Muslims, the Ramadan fast is to come nearer to God and repent of one’s sins. It is a time to be grateful to Allah and think of one’s obligations. Fasting teaches one self-control and helps cleanse the body and mind for a greater sense of spirituality.
Ramadan runs August 22nd until September the 19th. Salat or mandatory ritual prayer & liturgy is performed at dawn, noon, afternoon, sunset and at night.
This month ends with Eid al Fitr (Id al-Fitr) which is a feast on breaking of the fast._________________________________________________
Naw, I think the release is tomorrow because it’s the start of a three week break for Stewart and Colbert and the middle of the vacation season for the Beltway pundits.
Silobreaker has an excellent page full of links,including the President’s Ramadan message to the world’s 1.6 Billion Muslims.
Silobreaker: WelcomeAug 23, 2009 … Silobreaker aggregates news, blogs, research, audio, video and other digital media content from global news, shared, user generated and open …
http://www.silobreaker.com/ – 44 minutes ago – Cached – Similar
The Iraqis are VERY concerned about the escaltion of violence within the past couple of days.
The Holy Month of Ramadan is SUPPOSED to be one of peace,yet in past years,it has become almost synonymous with ESCALATION of violence.
My query is what,if any, will these IG revelations have on the bombings and killings with these nations?
Will it exacerbate,and escalate them?
Will some feel somewhat mollified by the US government’s revelations of the torture inflicted by the US hired mercenaries?
This is silly. The violence in Iraq is quite predominantly sectarian in nature; that is not dependent on the release of the stinking IG report. Do you simply think that everything in the world is connected to everything else in some big cosmic conspiracy or something? Jeebus, give it a rest.
we’re all kaffir ..you know .. they’re never going to really “like” us …
and i don’t really know any way to “make this right” .. succumbing to the depths of depravity and engaging in torture .. regardless of what justification is used or implied is a stain we won’t ever be able to remove from the nations’ soul ..
we could mitigate it somewhat .. by actually prosecuting those responsible [including..and especially .. upward in the chain of command] but the “blot on our escutcheon” is always going to be there for time immemorial..
and if we don’t eventually hold the perp-e-traitors responsible .. well .. it’s going to be a big ugly stain .. with a stink to boot .. imo
and if we don’t eventually hold the perp-e-traitors responsible…..
Then we ALL remain acquiescent accomplices …
i’ve got a lifelong friend who is still on active service .. he’s a JAG .. and you wouldn’t believe how pissed the JAG corps is about ALL of this .. and to a man . .all the retired officers i know are just sick about the torture issues ..
it’s peculiar .. imo .. that with so much public sentiment throughly opposed to to torture and brutality against prisoners in our charge .. that nothing is being done to move the process of investigation/prosecution forward ..
it’s the same old shit .. but .. i don’t subscribe to the point of view that government is entitled to an opinion of it’s own which it can hold and pursue contrary to ..and against ..the opinions of the people it supposedly represents ..
We have the government we have allowed.
Are there any true journalists left in Iraq who could tell us what is really behind these recent violent events? Is it really the sects warring against each other, or are they being orchestrated by those who are determined that the US stay in Iraq?
Well,thank you for your reply.
I cannot say if the journalists in Iraq are infected with the malaise of the US MSM media,or, if they fear for their lives and those of their families.
I observe.
I look for the money trail.
I look at the timing.
Who benefits from war without end ,amen?
Hard to believe it is the everyday people,either over there, OR over here.
And to bmaz’s remark about me alleging conspiracy, I never said any such thing.
That ad hominem remark is unnnecessary and unbecoming an officer of the court.
The tunnel vision to NOT analyze the timing and interactions of various factions IS the fault,not the analysis of factors which may or may not contribute to a tinderbox situation.
Yes, of course, they have given up their centuries of sectarian violence and strife in order to collaborate to KEEP the US troops there. That makes perfect sense. Or, you know, not.
Right. But to argue there’s a tie between the OIG report and Ramadan is to suggest that Alvin Hellerstein is taking his cues from the Muslim calendar, rather than from–as was the case–an attempt to balance the CIA’s sort-of plausible claims to need more time and the ACLU’s excellent argument that CIA was being contemptuous.
Please re read my original comment.
I did NOT state that there WAS a tie.
I queried WHAT, IF ANY ,will these revelations have.
I was responding to your follow the money comment. I agree you did not say there was a tie in the first part.
Thank you.
Regarding superficiality in reportage,among other things:
“It is not the forces of darkness but of SHALLOWNESS that everywhere threaten the True, and the Good, and the Beautiful, and that ironically announces themselves as deep and profound.
It is an exuberant and fearless shallowness that everywhere is the modern danger, the modern threat, and that everywhere nonetheless calls to us as savior.”
Ken Wilber, 1995
You really just don’t understand the “give it a rest” request do you? You take that as a cue to start responding to everything and everyone with even more blather. Please stop.
You are evidently not familiar with Gorilla’s Guides, and
Juan Cole’s Informed Comment: Thoughts on the Middle East, History, and Religion. Cole reads Arabic, and is tuned in to the best reports from the field.
Bob in
HIAZThanks, Bob. Per Juan Cole there seems to be a multitude of theories about what is behind the heat-up. I had gone to Aljazeera earlier and found a spokesman who did indeed voice the theory I mentioned earlier, so it’s not some cock-a-mamie idea that I dreamed up:
Okay, with the docudump on Monday, I’ll bet a hubcap that Holder files charges on Wednesday against the cretins who wielded the gun and drill while announcing that there will be no further investigations or charges on torture-related issues. This will fit his early posturing about a very narrow investigation but will jump right past the investigation stage that he can’t control as well and right into prosecution.
I was just reminded by a friend who linked to this CBS story about Lt Col Darrel Vandeveld, the Jawad prosecutor who resigned, of another form of collateral damage that Obama/Holder’s “looking forward” policy will produce. People who did the right thing during the years of the Bush regime, people who stood up to improper or illegal orders and risked, often lost their careers, are going to remain out there in the wilderness when they should be on an honour roll. Shame.
One wonders if Obama understands this?
Or if he cares?
Perhaps he needs to better understand the true heritage of the majority of black or “colored” people in this country?
Yes, he is black and no doubt he has suffered “discrimination” to some degree … but does he understand the true struggle of humanity, all of humanity, of whatever hue, for justice and also for equality?
What does he care about?
One wonders.
DW
You are entitled to your subjective opinion as to what constitutes craziness.
Drive by –
Note what they don’t seem to want to touch on even here – the conditions precedent to the conditions of confinement. This is where the pretext of a GWOT bites someone’s butt. While we do have the bounty hunter and related cases on rendition to bring someone to US courts for trial, those are civilian criminal law cases. Once you tell the courts – no, this isn’t civilian criminal law, it is the law of war, and no, we aren’t taking to civilian courts, we are disappearing to black sites and taking out of country to concentrated population campes – then the rendition cases have no application. The Geneva Conventions and the then existing rendition fo the War Crimes act instead come into play and under those, quite clearly anyone who was a protected person and who was not given a real and fair tribunal to contest their status as a protected person before being taken out of country is a war crimes.
They can waltz around vague standards or even pretty clear standards on treatment and conditions all they want, and rely on the inability of war crimes victims to marshall proof of torture while destroying tapes, etc. but they can’t walts around the fact that they took lots of protected persons out of country without the prior and “real” status tribunal. I go back to the fact that Congress, even with the 2006 Dems primarily “in charge,” I go back to Harry Reid (with his tactics despite his vote) and Sherrod Brown et al did willingly what John Yoo and Uriah Heep Bradbury couldn’t – they piously made it ok to disappear out of country and torture protected persons. Habeas was only the tip of the iceberg on what the MCA did.
OTOH, I’m just as glad the OPR report isn’t coming out until people digest a bit of the rest that comes out. What the OPR is and is not covering will distill with the other info being digested.
I very sadly don’t even think that will happen. Remember the article on Holder talking about how the lawyers thought once the old torture memos came out there would be such a shock and outcry that everyone would push for an investigation. The naivete of thinking that the years of “torturing terrorists to save our children is patriotic!” wouldn’t have become a part of our culture now and that years of media support for torture wouldn’t have had an impact? The torture memos caused barely a ripple and I think that is what is going to happen here, too. Espcially with the media and Obama selling the meme of “we only tortured the bad guys and we only did it to save you and lookee – the guys who tortured *too much* are, even though they are heroes, going to be tsked”
I hope I’m wrong, but basically I think that it isn’t a matter of the other torture releases dramatically shifting attention away from Yoo et al – I think that they are going to get a non-reaction. Because no one will yet stand up and say – we tortured the innocent with the guilty, and we tortured to get what we wanted, not the truth.
It’s been awhile since I’ve flown my flag. I don’t see Obama giving me any more reason than Bush did to bring it back out.
You know it’s so interesting to me that while the Obama administration does not want to look backward they continue to deal with this in piecemeal. Granted the IG report release is due to a court order, but if they are going to then wait a couple of weeks or months or however long to release the OPR report it’s only going to keep this issue in the news. And then of course is the Durham investigation (I wonder if Holder will name Durham as the special counsel if he does appoint one). You would think that the Obama administration would just want to get all of this out there at once. I do think that Marcy makes a very good and important point about keeping the focus on the interrogators/contractors because the OPR report, if released, would likely put the focus squarely on Yoo, Bradbury, and Bybee (at least it would in terms of what I would be interested in writing about).
I also feel that the leaks to the media this weekend sort of underscores how it’s going to be all about the Lynndie England’s (as Marcy said) as opposed to the policies that were put into place that lead to this.
On Durham, I keep hearing people speculate on him being named special prosecutor, but Holder has been consistent in saying it will be a line level or regular prosecution, if there is one at all.
That would be interesting. Do you think that if he does appoint a prosecutor to look investigate this that the prosecutor would also look into whether DOJ sought to quash Helgerson’s previous recommendations for criminal investigation? The CIA, as you know, says career prosecutors in the Eastern District of Virginia looked into this and declined to prosecute (or is it investigate?) for a variety of reasons. But I recall reading in Jane Mayer’s book and in an interview she gave to Harper’s last year that Cheney “loomed over everything” with regard to the IG report and that one case went to McNulty and sort of just languished and nobody in DOJ did anything not because there wasn’t enough evidence but because there was an effort to just bury this. That was the implication that was made.
Hi Jason. I just posted a link to your piece today on torture investigations on the Kennedy thread. Great work!
Hi Jim. Thank you so much! That is so kind of you!
I hope Marcy doesn’t get upset that it strays from the topic of the post. Thank you for the kind words though. I do appreciate it.
I dunno, but my inclination is that the prosecution targets will be individually approved, if not indeed selected, by Holder and it would be a lot easier for Holder to ride herd on the matter and insure the prosecution stays limited to where he wants it if it is a regular prosecution say in EDVA or DC.
thanks much for your insight on this.
gitcheegumee @49
Thank you for asking some question I have been thinking about too – that is – will Team Obama use the torture investigation as another teachable moment to the rest of the world -that maybe we are trying for Atonement -and the worldwide celebration of Ramamdan would be coincidentally a good context to go after the perpetrators ( Obama set out resetting our global image in his Cairo speech ) . Gitcheegumee ,like you , I have not concluded the current administration will do little or nothing about the previous corrupt chain of command -both civilain ,military , private and OGA’s -that made our nation commit war crimes . And regarding bmaz ’s ad hominen outbursts and petulance – I am beginning to see it as a mild irritant and nothing else -and for an officer of the court – you are right bmaz can be over the top .
It ain’t over til its over and.. my money is still on Attorney General Holder making us proud regarding the war criminals -including former senior leadership being prosecuted and punished … patience is a virtue .
Al, your sense of decency and fair play elevates all of us here who have the opportunity to interact with you .
Thank you for your kind words.
FYI:
Siun ,over at FDL, has just put a thread up about Ramadan and the escalating violence in Iraq.
if anyone is still reading this thread, and you haven’t seen the latest story on the IG report, here is the WSJ’s version that just came out.
The oldest and lamest excuse ever used, scapegoat always the lowest person in the pecking order. Who could have imagined? (/s)
How much you wanna bet that was a design feature and not a mistake?
Bob in HI–>AZ
Given how many times Yoo/Bybee reviewed the protocols…the details they went into…and the insistence by CI officials that they get approval….
Yeah…the lack of safeguards was not an oversight…it was “a feature…not a bug”.
@47
Re: Dulles Brothers(and a few others whose names are again in the news)
http://www.carlylegroup.net /
Historically speaking, we go back to 1947, we look at Clark Clifford, who wrote the National Security Act, in 1947. He was a Wall Street banker, and a lawyer from Wall Street. He was the chairman of First American Bancshares that brought BCCI onto US shores in the late 1980s. He was given the design for the CIA by John Foster and Allen Dulles, two brothers: John Foster becoming Secretary of State, Allen becoming director of Central Intelligence, who was fired by John Kennedy. They were partners in what is until this day the most powerful law firm on Wall Street: Sullivan Cromwell.
Bill Casey, the legendary CIA director from the Reagan/Iran Contra years, had been chairman of the Securities and Exchange commission under Ronald Reagan. He, in fact, was a Wall Street lawyer and a stockbroker. I’ve already mentioned Dave Doherty, the Vice President of NYSE who is the retired CIA general counsel. George Herbert Walker Bush is now a paid consultant to the Carlyle Group, the 11th largest defense contractor in the nation, very influential on Wall Street. “Buzzy” Krongard is there. John Deutsch, the former CIA director, who retired a couple of years ago, a few years ago, is now on the board of Citibanc or Citigroup. And his number three, Nora Slatkin, the Executive Director at CIA is also at Citigroup. And Maurice “Hank” Greenburg, who was the chairman of AIG insurance, which is the third largest investment pool of capital in the world, was up to be the CIA director in 1995 and Bill Clinton declined to nominate him. So there is an inextricable and unavoidable relationship between CIA and Wall Street.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~leveymg