Why Not a Cash for Ford Focus Program?
With the wild success of the Cash for Clunkers program, I’ve seen a number of people asking why the program didn’t also come with a requirement that the new car be made in the US. So I did an experiment. I pretended I had a 1999 V6 Ford Explorer–just the kind of car this program aspires to get off the road. I started with this list of cars assembled in the US, then cross referenced those cars with the CARS.gov site to see what would get me a full $4500 rebate. I always opted for the smallest automatic engine I could get and I looked only at 2009 models.
And here’s what–doing a quick review–I could get:
Car | Union | Engine | Transmission | |
Chevy Cobalt | Yes | US | Canada | |
Chevy Malibu (and Hybrid) | Yes | US/Canadal | US/Canada | |
Ford Escape (and Hybrid) | Yes | US/Mexico | US/Japan | |
Ford Focus | Yes | US | US | |
Ford Ranger | Yes | US | France | |
Honda Civic | No | US | Japan | |
Honda Element | No | US | Japan | |
Mazda B Series Pickup | Yes | US | France | |
Mazda Tribute (and Hybrid) | Yes | US/Mexico | US/Japan | |
Nissan Altima | No | US | Japan | |
Pontiac G5 | Yes | US | Canada | |
Saturn Aura (and Hybrid) | Yes | US/Canada | US/Canada | |
Subaru Outback | No | Japan | Japan | |
Toyota Corolla | Yes | US | Japan | |
Toyota Camry Hybrid | No | Japan | Japan | |
Toyota Venza | No | US/Japan | US/Japan |
In other words, if you wanted to make sure the Cash for Clunkers program went into a car that was assembled in the US with a US engine and transmission, you’d be requiring consumers to buy a Ford Focus. (And, in fact, Ford Focus was the most popular car under the program.)
And maybe a Saturn Aura or Chevy Malibu, Toyota Venza or Ford Escape (in the latter two cases, you’d be using the program’s lower requirements for MPG improvements for small trucks).
A couple of caveats about this. First, I’m sure I missed something–probably a hybrid, or someone’s small truck or crossover that qualifies under lower standards for MPG improvement (I apologize in advance for whatever I missed). Which of course demonstrates that for several of these–Escape, Ranger, B Series, Tribute, Outback, and Venza–a new buyer would only get the benefit because of the lower requirements for trucks. Also, if someone had an even bigger clunker than a Ford Explorer, they’d get the full $4500 benefit from more cars, including things like Accords and Camrys and Malibus (the Ford Fusion is assembled in Mexico) that are assembled in the US but do not improve MPG enough over the 16 MPG Explorer to qualify for the full bonus.
You see, manufacturers–whether they’re American or Japanese, union or non-union–simply don’t build many efficient cars in this country. There are a lot of reasons for that, but the basic reason is that the margins on efficient cars are much smaller, and with higher labor and–more importantly–health care costs in the US, it is a lot harder for a manufacturer to build small cars profitably in this country than to build trucks. And so, manufacturers–whether they’re American or Japanese, union or non-union–build bigger cars in the US and import the smaller cars.
And note, this is going to get worse in the near future before it gets better. While GM has wavered about whether the G5 will go the way of the rest of Pontiac, it appears that it will disappear, as will the Saturns. And Toyota is most likely going to close its Fremont, CA plant and send Corolla production to Canada, where it won’t have to pay health care. (Note, too, that Honda only makes some of the Civics sold in this country in the US, with the rest assembled in Canada.) GM and Chrysler both promised to build minis they’ll introduce in upcoming years–the Spark and the 500–in the US, but that will take a few years. And Toyota promises to build the Prius in Mississippi one of these years.
But until then, any effort to get clunkers off the road will by definition be a Cash for Imports or a Cash for Ford Focus program.
Update: Added the Aura to the "maybe Made in USA" per FunnyDiva2002.
Update: Added the Chevy Malibu to the "maybe Made in USA" after bmaz the GM fan hounded me; I had checked the 4-speed, and not the S6, which would qualify for the full $4500.
Totally Off Topic but update to a previous post
Fusion Center ??? I got your Fusion Center right here
http://www.mlive.com/newsflash…..wsmichigan
The US government is building an intelligence gathering center designed to help detect smuggling, terrorism and other crime across the long and liquid Great Lakes border between the US and Canada, authorities said Tuesday.
The $30 Million Operational Integration Center at Selfridge Air National Guard Base is the first center of its kind on the northern border and is expected to open next May. It will analyze and act on aircraft video, border camera images and other information from several federal, state and local agencies.
Officials say the center eventually should incorporate data from satellites, unmanned aircraft and other sources, and provide real-time information from across the entire Great Lakes border.
good luck with that
I’ve seen both borders
yer gonna have a better chance of securing the southern border
how’s that workin out, by the way …
Having had a Ford Fiesta and F-150, I like Fords. Had a Toyota 4X4 too and like that. I hope that the money is getting spread around because there are workers depending on all of those companies to be successful.
The big loser is–as I suspected–Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep. Almost all their cars don’t qualify, with the exception of the PT Cruiser (assembled in Mexico). Caliber would qualify (in my scenario) for $3500.
I had a Ford once. A pea green Galaxy 500 that I bought for $300 to drive up to Salt Lake City for a two week ski trip. Was a great beater car, but we trashed it pretty good and left it there with a stewardess in exchange for two airline tickets home. I guess that makes me a satisfied Ford customer. Not sure what my tale has to do with this post, but there you go….
I confess I still don’t totally understand the truck categories, so I’m not sure what you could get if you were trading in the F150, for example, and still needed teh truck.
When I looked last week I could get a new F-150 4WD and still get the $3,500 on the trade-in, a ‘97 F-150 $WD. Only one mile increase on MPG.
This is a pet peeve of mine too!
For all the reasons you mentioned (and I agree with them), folks really need to understand that Ultra-MPG vehicles are still a ways off.
so those “George Jettson” flying cars are out ???
the teabaggers ain’t gonna like that …
and I was really looking forward to seeing the first “3 Dimensional” traffic jam in LA …
You ought to see some of the freeway interchanges. We got your three-D traffic jams right now! (I can’t recommend being stuck on an long overpass over a railyard with semis passing you. The thing can move up and down enough for you to notice.)
And that isn’t all manufacturers either; it is the consuming public too that has been hesitant to go smaller.
Well, short term, we need to get health care. I really want to buy a Ford Fiesta, but why bother if it’s assembled in Mexico?
Where is the Fit assembled?
From wiki: The Fit is produced in 5 factories throughout the world. Suzuka (Japan), Sumaré (Brazil), Guangzhou (China), Ayutthaya (Thailand), and Karawang (Indonesia). Models produced in Japan are for Honda’s home market, exported to Europe, some Asian markets, as well as Canada and the United States. Models in Malaysia, Singapore and Vietnam are produced in Thailand. The Brazilian factory supplies all of Latin America and the Caribbean. Chinese models are sold in mainland China and also exported to some left hand drive European markets, while Jazz models in Hong Kong are made in Japan,
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stimulus ain’t an exact science
comparably, it’s a battering ram, not a rapier
kinda like the difference between me an our gracious host, if ya follow my meaning …
So you got yr new computer?
no
still on the beater. it’s a “B-Y” specimen (before YouTube)
I can only open two windows at a time, and I can’t open more than three tabs in each window
the average page takes 5 minutes to load (fdl and ew are usually on the fast side of average, but some days …)
and at some places, I gotta open the task manager to force the machine to load stuff (it gets “lost in thought” or sumtin …)
when I hit “post”. I’ll be waiting 5 minutes to see if this comment loaded, or killed the browser
it really slows my toobing process down
gonna take me all night to check all the links in that Rosenberg thread
good thing I have lots of spare time, huh …
Lots of time, huh? You also have incredible patience. I would have beat up the beater by now. Hope you get a good new one soon. Mac?
So…shouldn’t this one be on your list, too? Union=yes, US on the list for both engine and tranny…Plus Canada seems like one of the least objectionable places to “outsource” auto mfg jobs.
Just sayin’.
Hey, Ford was the one company that didn’t get directly bailed out, right? So, maybe a direct subsidy via a cash for clunkers for Ford Focus makes sense? I just doubt the GM and Chrysler, not to mention Toyota/Honda lobbyists would see it that way…
FunnyWheelieDiva
Thanks–added it to the “maybe” list.
And while I agree that Canada is not objectionable (not least bc many Canada car jobs are more closely linked with my state than, say, Kentucky assembled cars), it still proves the point that people aren’t making all their efficient cars here bc it’s more profitable to make them where they can get health care.
Not to mention the Aura will soon be a victim of the GM BK.
Yes, I agree that the outsourcing to Canada is because their healthcare system makes them cheaper to produce. One of my criteria for “less objectionable”–they’re more of a first-world country than the US, even.
“ya mean, Canadialand’s socialized med’cine DINT bankrupt their businesses? Say it ain’t so, Jacques!”
FWDiva
PS, wasn’t some other company taking over the Saturn brand?
Ah, yes, Penske.
No idea if they’ll still be eligble for CARS under Penske, but at least it’s not disappearing entirely…
FWDiva
It’s probably also worth nothing that both the Aura and Focus were developed by US manufacturer’s European divisions…
Funny that the naturally aspirated Aura makes the list, but not the Malibu, for which only the hybrid makes it.
There’s a Cash for Trannies program now?
‘Cuz I think we already have one in San Francisco, over in the Tenderloin, mainly late at night.
I heard from a Ford Techie (my bro-in-law after 10 Beers, FWIW) that a new Pickup emits 3% of the pollution as a 10 year old pickup, so the big gain is in emission control, not mileage.
Canada is preferred not only for our Health Care but also for our “better educated” workers, which means that our public education is far ahead of America; a gap that sadly, has grown dramatically wider over the past 8 years.
The southern states have lower wages, and also poorer educational quality.
Possibly this is a good example of ‘you get what you pay for’.
OT: the nytimes is now reporting that the 2 journalists left n. korea with clinton.
I bought a Ford Escape hybrid awd in April and it had an assembled in Kansas City label. They don’t say where all the parts were made but I’m happy it rolled off the assembly line in the U.S..
I love the Escape, I live in a flat state and since I traded in a Prius for it (I needed AWD and hauling room) I know how to hypermile pretty well. I’ve been averaging around 35mpg. If you need a small SUV, you should check it out.
Full disclosure – I liked the car so much I bought some Ford stock too.
Thanks, but my 2002 Camry doesn’t qualify for cash from the program.
And, what ho? No news coverage of Orly Taitz and the birther conspiracy-forgers? Not a single word about this drivel. Wheeler, I’m impressed by your discipline.
Impressive. Emptywheelers currently have four threads running, all with comments within the last hour.
Bob in HI
FWIW I dumped a 1995 Ford Explorer (with a 4L V6 and 5-spd manual) for a Subaru Forester (2.5L H4 and 5-spd manual) and got the $3500 credit.
Why not? Well, let’s just say that Europe gets the better car in this case. Ford should remedy this in a year or so when the Focus is due for a redesign. Hopefully, us Yanks can get a hot hatch with the recently-unveiled EcoBoost turbo four with at least 200 HP…