Decision Day On al-Haramain (updated)
It is decision day for the gunslingers at the al-Haramain corral. If you recall when we last left this little vignette, exactly one week ago today, Judge Vaughn Walker had just issued a fairly terse ruling giving certain instructions to the parties. Both parties were given one week, until today, May 29th, to produce written responses to the court.
The plaintiff al-Haramain was addressed as follows:
Plaintiffs shall, no later than May 29, 2009, submit a memorandum addressing whether it would now be appropriate and/or feasible for plaintiffs to file a motion for summary judgment on their claim under 50 USC § 1810. Plaintiffs should address the merits of filing such a motion under two scenarios: (1) with a protective order in place allowing plaintiffs’ counsel access to the Sealed Document; and (2) with no such protective order and no such access.
Basically very good news for the plaintiff, they are apparently going to proceed with their case, but were being given the option on how to proceed. Make no mistake, proceeding forward with the case is what plaintiffs are in this for; it is not about money for them.
The obstreperous and defiant defendant, the United States government by and through President Barack Obama was, however, not treated so kindly by the court. Judge Walker, clearly fed up with their belligerence and recalcitrance, drew the blade of a guillotine over the government’s head (and rightly so I might add).
Defendants are now ordered to show cause why, as a sanction for failing to obey the court’s orders:
(1) defendants should not be prohibited, under FRCP 37(b)(2)(ii), from opposing the liability component of plaintiffs’ claim under 50 USC § 1810 —— that is, from denying that plaintiffs are “aggrieved persons” who were subjected to electronic surveillance; and
(2) the court should not deem liability under 50 USC § 1810 established and proceed to determine the amount of damages to be awarded to plaintiffs.
Defendants shall submit written response to this order no later than May 29, 2009.
By good fortune, today is May 29, and the documents are rolling in. Here is the filing from al-Haramain hot off the press and before it even hits PACER. As Marcy put it a week ago when Walker’s order was filed, “how do you feel about summary judgment 1) with also getting the document, or 2) without getting the document.” Not surprisingly, al-Haramain prefers to win and get the document, but they will take just a win. The key here for al-Haramain is to try to keep the suit moving forward and not put it in a posture from which the defendants can seek immediate appeal. Here is the general outlook expressed in the pleading by al-Haramain’s attorney:
Plaintiffs understand this Court’s order of May 22, 2009 to have a twofold purpose: (1) to enable the Court’s pursuit of the third option – a default judgment of liability as a discovery sanction under Rule 37(b)(2)(A)(ii) of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure – should the Court wish to choose that option, through the Court’s issuance of an order to show cause; and (2) to solicit further briefing by plaintiffs on the first two options – litigation of standing under a protective order, or an adjudication of standing forthwith on the existing record – through the
Court’s request that plaintiffs submit a memorandum addressing the appropriateness and/or feasibility of summary judgment proceedings either with or without a protective order allowing plaintiffs’ counsel access to the Sealed Document.
This is interesting in that plaintiff al-Haramain has crafted the document to argue the full panoply of options, while still designating the one they will ride with if push comes to shove. Without further suspense, here is their preference:
… that the Court adjudicate Article III standing forthwith on the existing record and rule on whether plaintiffs were subjected to warrantless electronic surveillance within the meaning of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), without the need for a protective order or access to the Sealed Document, followed by a summary judgment on liability.
In short, the plaintiffs are willing to to head straight to liability with the court finding standing to do so. As we discussed in the post, and especially in comments, one week ago, this is likely the smartest path for them to choose. Still, it must be very difficult to be willing to not keep pounding on the merits and depth of discovery when the court is blistering your opponent. But, again, this is the best choice for trying to foreclose a legitimate interlocutory appeal to the Ninth Circuit.
The entire filing by al-Haramain is very much worth reading, both for the law cited therein, but more importantly the way their attorney has phrased the argument. If pushed they want the liability finding, but they are trying awful hard to give Judge Walker their blessing to find the desire and way to go further than simple liability and damages.
The government’s filing, however, is another matter. It was not available at the time of this post, but I will update as soon as it is available. They were asked why they shouldn’t be sanctioned for putting forth belligerent and repetitive arguments already declined by the court and they, in response, will undoubtedly put forth belligerent and repetitive arguments already declined by the court. I guess this should not be shocking considering the government’s track record here but, still, it is a little brazen. It is not so much that they stick to their guns, as the cavalier attitude with which they do so. It is not particularly attractive, and it is quite clear Vaughn Walker doesn’t think so either.
Oh yeah, and if all this were not enough fun already, Judge Walker is reeling in the government’s dog and pony show with an ever shorter leash. The parties have been ordered to appear a scant five days from today in his courtroom for a hearing on these matters. I can personally tell you that such a quick setting in Federal District Court on a civil case is somewhere well in excess of light speed. Vaughn Walker is on a mission. Next Wednesday is going to be very interesting.
UPDATE: I promised an update when the government pleading hit the docket, and it has been filed. Above I opined the government would likely show up with the same repetitive arguments already declined by the court, and they did not disappoint.
Furthermore, even after the Ninth Circuit issued its decision, an additional review was conducted at the highest levels of the Department of Justice to determine whether continued invocation of the privilege was warranted in response to the plaintiffs’ claims under FISA. Based on that review, it is the Government’s position that disclosure of classified information—even under protective order—would create intolerable risks to national security.
It is notable how the government hews to this line, but can never seem to offer up any valid justification why licensed attorneys, who are officers of the court and certified for the requisite security clearances cannot possibly be trusted. Just have to take their word for it, in spite of the fact that the court, who has knowledge of sealed matters, doesn’t take their word for it. But still they come with the same blank assertion. And they still, of course, want Walker to immediately certify the matter for interlocutory appeal. And a pony.
The government spends 28 pages imploring Judge Walker to give them their same precious interlocutory pony. He wasn’t swayed previously; there is scant new here to change his mind.
If the government is smart, they’ll simply say they have no problem proceding with the liability phase as long as they don’t have to produce the documents. Then pay up without admitting wrongdoing, under the charade of saving taxpayer money and protecting national security.
That’s the government. Judge Walker may well decide to sanction some of the governments lawyers for their mopery and dopery.
Boxturtle (eagerly awaiting the governments filing)
I was just going to bring up al-Haramain’s deadline with a query on if anyone had heard anything.
Mucho thanks bmaz!
Isn’t that amazing? bmaz must have gone straight from NYC back to his crappy rental in SF.
… and not a moment too soon …
Thanks bmaz, eagerly looking forward to Wednesday.
LOL! I bet he doesn’t even remember being in NYC. *g*
that’s not SF, that’s East Palo Alto (it’s kinda like New Jersey without the brown air)
You know, there is a very decent argument that is right. That said, there are pitfalls there because it presupposes a finding of standing, and under at least one of al-Haramain’s arguments, liability based on proof to date in the case. That is potential liability on a factual finding base. Trust me, that is the last thing the government wants. Secondly, there is going to be at least some factual circumstances that are germane to a damages consideration. It is not nearly as clean as you might think for the government to just accept this.
And if they accepted it for these plaintiffs – that the court can award damages without the plaintiffs getting access to program info – that would make life very interesting, wouldn’t it?
YOu know, whatever SCOTUS may do, gov’s lawyers have to be careful. There has been so much muck thrown at the courts by DOJ lawyers for so long now, and of course there’s Obama in cases like the GITMO detainees and Abu Ghraib pics trying to set up the individual judges handling those cases for hate mail and loons cmoing after them bc he won’t do the right thing – I think that whatever the rulings on law, the courts may start to be very sympathetic to smack downs of the fibbing lawyers.
I’ve never gotten as into this case as I guess I should have to follow things well, but maybe you can straighten me out on this. Isn’t the document in question one that the lawyers have already had, seen, handled and … even without court protective orders handled properly as classified info? No leaks to the media, no handoffs to unnamed poster to put on websites, no mass copies anonymously provided to EFF et al. I’m not mixing up cases here am I? Isn’t the reason the court and not the media has the document bc the lawyers COULD be trusted, even if they were appalled?
And it’s not the plaintiff’s lawyers who have had to come back, under seal, and explain that there is a lot of “secret stuff” that was provided to the court under either oath or filing rules and that now they had to fess up was, um, well, golly, FALSE.
I’d love to see someone question those lawyers on whether or not they still agree with their department’s position in Reynolds – was that invocation necessary for national security? What does it say about the DOJ that it argued it was?
No, you are exactly right. In fact, as far as I know, there is still a copy of “the document” in the possession of an overseas division of al-Haramain that the government has never even tried to recover.
And, yes, people with lifetime tenure can get uppity about their lives being threatened. Go figure.
I was wondering about that overseas copy thing, but I get the facts mishmashed on all this bc I have almost never read more than articles – reading the pleadings sorts it all out for me much better, but I haven’t done it in these cases much.
National security isn’t so threatened that they need to get that copy back, but it is too threatened to let the lawyers and Judge review in sealed proceedings arguments on to what extent the law was broken.
I guess this is OT, but it sure seems to me that it has worked out for the best for Obama, Dawn Johnsen’s nomination getting held. She’s not weighing in on these state’s secrets assertions, on the continued military commissions, on the release of photos, on the impact on DOJ’s integrity for Holder and
BushObama to be trotting around handing out non-prosecution assurances like … extra-Constitutional pardons, etc.The fact that she hasn’t looked at what they’ve done and publically withdrawn in disgust makes me look forward to her eventual appointment -notsomuchanymore.
Mary, good points. See my comment below.
Tom
My take on the government’s MO is that some of their brazenness is by design and a deliberate tactic meant to induce an appealable ruling; in fact, any appealable ruling.
The government desperately wants to get this sucker beyond Judge Walker’s reach. And not just to the rest of the 9th Circuit either! SCOTUS is where they are trying to go.
Agreed, but their predicament is mostly self inflicted, and still they act pretty belligerently in trying to accomplish what you suggest (and you are quite correct). It strikes me that they have exercised a certain lack of decorum in the way they blithely blow Walker off. I am pretty sure that is how it strikes Walker too.
I smell Greg Craig in this, and perhaps a whiff or two of Obama as well.
As in “let’s make sure we protect
ourexecutive power” reasoning first and foremost with short shrift given to “rule of law” (FISA, 4th Amendment, etc.).Sad to think that principles fall away so easily when one is in the driver’s seat.
Damn clucks with two first names!
WO @10 – Uh, yeah, yer like Kreskin or something. This one wasn’t hard; although, as mad as i think Walker is, it would be tempting to try to bite off more.
The thing is, Walker is nailing this down six ways from Sunday.
He’s giving the government more and more rope, and the government seems intent upon wrapping it around its own neck (for safekeeping, you know).
He’s using every available mechanism for consideration of classified material, and still saying to the Bush/Obama DOJ “You can’t come in here and say ‘I’m the king’ and pull this out of any kind of judicial review.” Marbury v. Madison still lives.
At least in Vaughn Walker’s courtroom.
And I’ve got a hard time seeing Scalia letting SCOTUS overrule Justice Marshall.
And civil libertarian Vaughn Walker just got assigned the California Proposition 8 case filed by Ted Olson and David Boies.
I saw that, too.
Life is certainly not dull for Judge Walker.
The only disagreement I’d have is on your Scalia point.
I suspect he could easily find a pair of “no-see-um” dark glasses and a white cane with which to avoid recognizing Marbury v. Madison.
And based on Jeffrey Toobin’s fine article on Chief Justice Roberts in the New Yorker, I’m guessing Roberts could easily make the Unitary Executive the overarching precedent for years to come.
I don’t know, MD.
I just can’t see Scalia taking a rusty scalpel to his own . . . ahem . . . delicate parts and neutering himself (and SCOTUS along with it).
I half agree with that. I think Roberts, Alito and Thomas would toe the authoritarian line, but I think Scalia might not be there.
Roberts, Alito, and especially Thomas would lift their robes and say “cut here.”
Nino would grab the scalpel and say “you first.”
Don’t forget that in Hamdi, Scalia is in print saying the President – Bush – violated the Constitution and the court had no business making up some temporary, fuzzy wuzzy, judicial suspension of habeas to cover his ass. I always thought it should have been mentioned more and to the Republicans’ faces more – that Scalia said Bush was violating the Constituion years back.
On this one, though, I think Congress may have sunk the boat. We’ll see. There is a huge problem if the court rules in favor of the constitution and rule of law. “Moderate” on the court will do an O’Connor and try to find a way for the Exec and Congress and Corporate interests to skate off (while seemingly getting a tsk) and just pretend the Constitution wasn’t violated — like they did in Hamdi. It does take a special kind of toughness to take the path Scalia did in Hamdi. I don’t know if he’ll take it again, but I do know it will take a lot of fortitude to follow that path and I don’t know if it’s there on the bench.
Here’s an Emily Bazelon piece on a case that show’s how Sotomayor views police powers and just accepting what the police, even off duty police say.
The Jocks case is one I read when Sotomayor was first being pushed. It is fucking horrid appellate judging. Just pitiful. She totally went behind the trier of fact in a despicable way. It is very telling.
It did strike me really badly. Probably bc I’ve been in that adrenaline pounding position before, with living freight in the trailer.
I don’t see how Mr. Jocks had an emergency in the first place
maybe the weather or time of day was a contributing factor, or there was a curve or other obstruction that made this an “emergency” situation
absent those facts, this guy needed to call a tow truck, not 911
I’ve driven semi trucks in Los Angeles an the Bay area
One stalled truck blocking a lane isn’t an emergency
it was upright, marked with flares, and nobody was bleeding
what’s the problem ???
Well, LI Expressway was just the thing, I think, and it was fucking crazy open and fast or crazy slow and congested, and not all that width in numbers and width of lanes by Western US standards. A semi jacknifed out into the road is plenty of concern to get this roadside romeo off duty cop to put down his symbolic donut and let a call be made to the appropriate jurisdiction for the road. Was it 9-11? No. but it was plenty to take precedence and the “contempt of cop” belligerent BS response from the cop was absolutely triable to a jury. For an appellate judge with a cold record in front of her, to come behind the jury, and substitute her valuation on the facts for theirs, is absolutely the very definition of wrong for an appellate judge. This is fucking fundamental; more simple than Marbury v. Madison. You just don’t do that unless you have an agenda that is wrongheaded and inappropriately considered for the decision you are facing.
I have a strong urge to pull a Colbert-like “I CALLED IT”, but I will resist. Wait, too late.
Given their performance to date, I wouldn’t be surprised if the government files … nothing. It’s past closing time in the Court’s time zone and … only the sound of crickets from the government.
They seem, to me, to be decidedly looking for default and to say nothing or as close to nothing as they can get away with.
The whole of the government’s thrust behind not just this case, but the whole warrantless wiretapping, and so much of their torture and detainee litigation too, has been to denigrate the role of the Courts. It has been, hand in hand with the unitary executive theory, a broadside assault on Marbury. A fundamental fight over who decides what the law is. Nothing less.
Blowing off Walker by filing nothing would be perfectly consonant with that approach.
Or, as Andy Jackson said: “Justice Marshall has made his ruling. Now, let him enforce it.”
They will file late by ECF.
I know the ECF works ’til midnight, etc.
I just think their arrogance will get the better of them and they will moon Walker as they drive by, and file nothing or as close to nothing as they think they can get away with.
I’m Walker, I send a supplementary order relative to preparation for the hearing next week, the sum and substance of which is: “government counsel should bring their toothbrushes.”
The filed after this time in their April 28 (IIRC–the ones with the new declarations) filing.
Well, I’ve gotta admit to anticipatory pleasure for Judge Walker’s ruling.
What’s the line in Lost Wages on his ruling for the plaintiff’s second scenario choice? I’ll take that and even give points. *g*
I think Obama and Holder have just totally backed off and on many issues are letting the original DOJ Officials Bush originally put in charge keep runnin the show, in the same way. Obviously they could have been told to act like rational human beings. But they will fail. Pretty sick for Obama not to have weighed in at all. When it all comes down though, he will be blamed just as much as if he had jumped after the Repugs from day one.
Either way it is a conscious decision to go this path though, eh?
Thanks Bmaz and all for sharing your understanding. Absent your post, I’d a’ missed the pregnant pleasure of Judge Walker’s competence.
Way O/T (sorry), or the Bailout (and who gains from it)
Is Larry Summers Taking Kickbacks From the Banks He’s Bailing Out?
By Mark Ames, AlterNet. Posted May 29, 2009.
“Last month, it was revealed that Summers, whom President Obama appointed to essentially run the economy from his perch in the National Economic Council, earned nearly $8 million in 2008 from Wall Street banks, some of which, like Goldman Sachs and Citigroup, were now receiving tens of billions of taxpayer funds from the same Larry Summers. It turns out now that those two banks have continued paying into Summers-related businesses.”
http://www.alternet.org/workpl…..iling_out/
it seems to me that the Plaintiff can’t determine damages without the discovery to establish the extent of the violation
somebody pointed out in a thread about a week back that the government could still be illegally wiretapping the Plaintiff today
so I got a question that could be really smart, or really stupid:
does that mean that Judge Walker could proceed with discovery, and just give the Plaintiff the evidence that Judge Walker used to make this decision ???
Way O/T, too, or how does William Jeffress garner such slimy clients?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05…..f=nyregion
Way OT, but I haven’t seen anything on this anywhere and that worries me..
Newser) –’ Federal authorities are on the case after a Pennsylvania paper ran a classified ad that appears to call for the assassination of President Obama, Editor & Publisher reports. “May Obama follow in the footsteps of Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley & Kennedy!” the ad read. Those presidents were assassinated in office. The publisher called police after being informed of the ad by irate readers.’
http://www.newser.com/story/60…..on-ad.html
I saw it at DKOS, yesterday, or the day before
an there was a comment that included the phone number of the paper
that dude ain’t gonna like checkin his messages monday …
The story led to:
the ad being pulled
a note being run by the editor of that paper – on its website – explaining their actions, and
the paper turning over the identity of the person placing the ad to the police, which is now the paper’s third news story (right after the local bank paying back its TARP money)….
And, apparently, literally hundreds of comments on the paper’s website. Kicked over a termite mound of winguttia, this guy did.
I suspect the Pittsburgh office of the FBI will be visiting the ad-placer in question. Oh, wait – Mary Beth Buchanan is still in charge in Pittsburgh, so that means the ad-placer will be getting a commendation from her office because (s)he’s going after Democrats, just like Mary Beth….
so if I’m understanding what’s going on here, the government is simply not going to provide no matter what walker says, they want the judge to pass his ruling, then they want to appeal
they know they have no shot in walkers court and they’re waiting for the supreme court where they will count on Roberts and alito, who will not disappoint the unitary position
this as far as I am concerned, while depraved and sad, is a winning case for the government
Sorry bmaz, but your link update with the government’s filing turns up as a HTTP 404 – The webpage cannot be found.
No biggie since I found a link for it via Wired (it seems the only news organization that covered it since a search of “al haramain” via Google News only comes up with the Wired story).
Fixed the link, I think.
Chalk this up to hyposcrisy masquerading as deep irony.
While his DoJ was putting the finisshing touches on this latest twaddle filing, OBama was talking about appointing a “Cybersecurity czar”, to help end hacking or some similar windmill-tilting exercise. The thrust he used to help pitch this?
His campaign was hacked, too, (Old news to us) so he knows how offensive it is and wants to stop it.
From the article:
I guess it’s different when you’re the one doing the violating, huh, Barry?
Shorter DOJ:
“La, la, la, we can’t hear you” {with fingers in ears)
Well, you wouldn’t have wanted Tony Coppolino to have to interrupt his Memorial Day weekend plans to further shred the Constitution, would you?
What are they doing behind the scenes with the Ninth Circuit or Congress to up their chances no appeal or to use statutory measures to foreclose the need to reveal this information?
If it’s not Bush’s holdovers hewing to the same Cheney line, Holder (and Emanuel and Obama) is voluntarily following the same, royal l’etat, c’est mois path, and taking representative democracy with him. Shines a light on Sotomayor’s views on executive authority, n’est-ce pas?
hey .. BMAZ .. good work ..thank you ..
From the DOJ filing:
WTF!? Has anyone ever seen this before? The Gov’t “authorizes this
Court to order such disclosure”? That’d hack me off if I were a Judge.
It will Walker too.
The state secrets privilege does not exist to cover up crimes. The general principle is that they may not do things under “color of law” which the law does not allow them to do, or ultra vires – beyond their power to do legally. The same applies to the power of the State to disobey a valid order of the court. They may appeal it, but they may not just disobey it without contempt of court.
Ultra vires is a term that is so apt for so much of what has transpired during the last eight plus years.
What the government never mentions is that the Document, which was provided to us, was legitimately given to that “Specially Designated Global Terrorist” Soliman al-Buthi, who the Government says has “direct links” to Osama bin Laden.
And the government’s worried that letting Jon Eisenberg and Steve Goldberg peek AGAIN at the Document under a tight protective order would imperil national security? After (according to the hysterical Government) Osama’s buddy saw it four years ago? Give me a break!
Something really nefarious is going on here. Frankly, I don’t think that the issue is the Document.
Tom
Thanks for the additional information, Tom.
Bmaz and EW and labdancer all have a lot more details on this one at their fingertips than I do, but from what I have seen and remember, it doesn’t make any sense if you look at it from a practical approach. The only way I can think of that it does make sense (just spec) is that a) the Doc may make it very clear that “the Program” has been misdescribed all along (showing that instead of it being about surveillance of foreign terrorists it instead wrapped in warrantless surveillance of US citizens on US soil, even lawyers) or b) the Doc, if described much publically, may make it clear on public record to the Chief Judge and ex-Chief on the FISCt that their firewall orders were violated and maybe not just by happenstance and incompetence.
Lamberth already had one big FBI fiasco with FISCt applications and yanked Townsend’s chain pretty hard over it. He and Kollar-Kotelly were each reportedly told of breaches to their orders that were explained away as inadvertent. If there’s public record on something less inadvertent, then someone who came in an applied for FISCt orders when all this illegal surveillance of lawyers here in the US was going on and they didn’t disclose it – that might call for someone to be sanctioned and the sign off names that come to mind would be Mueller (who is still around) and Ashcroft (who isn’t, but is still a lawyer). They may want to drag things out beyond Kollar-Kotelly’s term as Chief Judge -?
That may all be crap, but it’s one fo the kinds of things that come to mind when so little else that they are doing makes sense.
Some, or all, of that may be the case; but i think the real issue is that the government came into this case and long before it was assigned to Walker, while still in Oregon, and made a bunch of assertions in private filings that were all false. They have filed the same shit in a lot of other cases. But here is the one path for establishing that all of their secret certifications were contrived, parsed, incomplete and misrepresentative. Scattered in with some outright lies. Oh, and on top of all that, they illegally lied and bootstrapped on the warrants and applications they actually did made. Full disclosure here is terrifying because it opens up that whole can of worms.
Mary, I think that the “record stuffed with lies” is a possible if not probable scenario, for it is clear the scope of classified material in Judge Walker’s file far exceeds the Document itself. Interestingly, in a prior hearing Judge Walker told Tony Coppolino that he (the judge) was not impressed by the Government’s secret (”ex parte, in camera”) filings. With a protective order Jon and Steve would get to see all that stuff – but they wouldn’t be allowed to share it with anyone, including co-counsel.
I think that there are other possible scenarios as well that could be triggered by release of the Document and other classified filings, perhaps not just lies but indications of other actions that could be highly embarrassing, even to Obama. (Obama’s embarrassment quotient may be fairly low these days — witness the decision to withhold torture photos.)
Well, right. But Obama is earning his embarrassment here. It is fairly duplicitous assertions, and conclusions and actions thereon, that this case, like Binyam Mohamed, is still being litigated on. Those are affirmative and adopting actions by Obama. Sorry, it pains me to an undeterminable level too; but it is what it is. At some point you own your actions; we are there for Obama. The better question is how does it play out. As with the torture, torture tapes, and torture photos issues, the once present and future view seems to be stonewalling and embarrassment.
bmaz – that puts the lie to NMvoiceofreason @ 51, dunnit? (Sorry, voice). Has “state secrets” ever been invoked for anything except to cover up criminality? Evah?
Doesn’t that remind one of Sir Humphrey’s lines in Yes, Minister? “The Official Secrets act is not to protect secrets, it is to protect officials”.
bmaz – Do we have some insane lawyers working at DoJ? (insanity = doing the same thing in the same way time after time and expecting to get a different result)
The Official Secrets Act is used to protect the Bureaucracy from informed criticism. As are D notices.
In the UK it is not possible to sue the Government or the Crown. They are sovereign.
could ya splain dis to me like I was an idiot
this is a civil case, in the discovery process, with a judge ready to issue a summary judgment for the plaintiff
does that just “end” the proceeding ???
I don’t see how the plaintiff can get relief without a “cease and desist” order followed by some sort of sanction against the government
is the possibility of present day wire tapping of plaintiff or future illegal wiretapping a moot issue ???
if not, the plaintiff is suffering a from crime that could be continuing
where is the relief in a judgment that gives plaintiff money, and then allows defendant to continue the illegal action ???
as I see it, the plaintiff is due the relief of exposing the crime, and exposing the criminals, so that criminal prosecutions can be used to deter further illegal wire tapping of plaintiff
that’s the whole point, ain’t it ???
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Does anyone know what came of the Gov. threat to Judge Walker to come in a take his copy of secured document ? I seem to remember a bit of a stink at the time they made that threat but I haven’t heard anything since.
I’m of the same mind as others in that I wonder why the DOJ doesn’t just accept the fine and be happy? Is it because they fear Walker will turn over copies of his copy to the plaintiffs?
What effect would summary judgment have on the other pending cases, if anything ?