Exclusive!! Pro-Torture Spooks Continue to Play Journalists for Chumps!!
This chump journalist thing seems to be more virulent than swine flu.
The Moonie Times has an !!!EXCLUSIVE!!! reporting that Silvestre Reyes (who of course joined the Gang of Four after the torture program and the illegal wiretap program became public) thinks Congress is partly responsible for the "interrogation controversy."
In a rare gesture, House intelligence committee Chairman Silvestre Reyes sent a letter this week to all CIA employees suggesting that Congress shared some blame for the CIA interrogation controversy and should play a more robust role in the intelligence policymaking process.
The letter, which was sent Wednesday and made available to The Washington Times on Thursday, appeared to undercut remarks by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi that there was little Congress could do about harsh interrogations, including waterboarding. [my emphasis]
Only, that’s not what the letter says.
One important lesson to me from the CIA’s interrogation operations involves congressional oversight. I’m going to examine closely ways in which we can change the law to make our own oversight of CIA more meaningful; I want to move from mere notification to real discussion. Good oversight can lead to a partnership, and that’s what I am looking to bring about.
The tip-off to Moonie’s chumps should be "mere notification," which (as Pelosi has said) is not the same as approval.
But don’t take my word on basic English–check out what Reyes said to the Hill about his letter.
House Intelligence Committee chairman Silvestre Reyes said he agrees with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi that members of Congress have been too limited in how they can respond to briefings about intelligence policies they oppose.
"The system we have now is a one-way discussion," Reyes (D-Texas) said in an interview with The Hill on Friday. "In the final analysis, they’re going to do what they’re going to do."
[snip]
The Washington Times reported the letter exclusively Friday, and said the letter "appeared to undercut remarks by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi that there was little Congress could do about harsh interrogations, including waterboarding."
Reyes said that was not the case.
"It’s pure and simple conservative spin," Reyes said. "And it’s a disservice to our intelligence personnel all over the world."
Misreading Reyes’ letter is not the only thing the chumps from the Moonie Times did. They exhibited either willful blindness to the public record or plain old ignorance. For example, they let Crazy Pete Hoekstra claim,"members of Congress knew all about these programs."
A former chairman of the House intelligence panel and its current ranking member, Rep. Peter Hoekstra, Michigan Republican, called the Reyes letter "unprecedented."
"I’ve got to believe the feedback they are getting from the community prompted this," Mr. Hoekstra told The Times. "Here members of Congress knew all about these programs, and here fellow CIA employees are getting thrown under the bus. From my standpoint, I think it is unprecedented for the CIA to receive a letter like this from a chairman."
But the public record, including Porter Goss’ own statements, show that when Nancy Pelosi got her the one briefing she got before 2006, those members of Congress weren’t told the most important fact: that the CIA had already waterboarded Abu Zubaydah.
And when Moonie’s chumps say,
The budgeting process for the intelligence community gives members of the oversight committees authority to withhold funding for activities without disclosing classified programs.
I guess they were so busy attacking Nancy Pelosi that they couldn’t read this basic English from her, either.
And that’s why I, when I became Speaker, established this joint committee between the Appropriations Committee and the Intelligence Committee, because the fact is they really were not fully briefing the Intelligence Committee. And they have to answer to the Appropriations Committee because that’s where their funding comes from.
It is a long story, it’s an evolution. It used to be the Intelligence Committee – you couldn’t appropriate unless the Intelligence Committee authorized. It was almost effectively an appropriation. Over time the Intelligence in the Bush years became part of supplementals so there was absolutely no sharing of information. They would just stick the request in the supplementals. We said, "Okay, if they are going right to appropriations, we will have members of the Intelligence Committee serve in this hybrid committee, part Intelligence, part Appropriations." [my emphasis]
Once again, I don’t want to let Pelosi totally off the hook and I absolutely support Reyes’ and Pelosi’s efforts to force CIA to do more than provide (as Reyes said) "mere notification." After the fact. Six months after the fact. Mere notification.
But Moonie’s chumps would have you believe that Nancy Pelosi, through some super-human powers, can undo 83 uses of waterboarding after they have already occurred.
You are absolutely right here, but keep in mind that, left to his own devices, Reyes is lame enough to say something like that.
Headline fix:
…Spooks continue TOL play…
Thank you. And I just opened a Michigan Brewing Company High Seas IPA, thank you.
Yeah, that sounds even snootier than a Beamish. Turning into a freaking blue blood right in front o me. How Offal.
It’s just one bumfuck east of Lansing. How can that be snooty?
In fact, one of the best breweries in MI, New Holland Brewery, is in fecking Crazy Pete Hoekstra’s home town, a veritable goldmine of Dutch Reform wingnuts.
We just like good beer up here in the far north.
Damn, and all I got is this crappy Corona in my hand. Okay on the product of Holland (New or otherwise). Heck, when I first read that (you know I need glasses still), I thought it read “IPO”. I was duly impressed you were taking a brewery public on an exchange. Kind of miffed I wasn’t in on the deal.
Jeebus. They only knocked down a Sunday blue law this last year in Holland; must have improved their beer brewing sales volume a bit.
Definitely not snooty, more like lucky to choke out a beer given the county of origin.
jeez Marcy… 6 posts today by my count. Cerveza time yet?
Even I know that Cheney headed that Intel Committee back in the 80s during Iran-Contra.
Anyone honestly think that he hadn’t mastered the budget process, staff appointments (with his personal, dug in aides), the lines of command, the lines of reporting, and every other feature he needed to master in order to subvert open government?
Please. (!)
If the Moonie had simply said, “Hmm… who are the previous people heading this committee over the past 20 years? What have they done since? Where else in government have they held positions?” then they’d stop paying all that attention to Pelosi and think:
— Cheney: former White House staffer under Ford, back post-Watergate and flipped out about the Pres having to operate openly? Check.
— Cheney: head of Intell Committee during Iran-Contra? Check.
— Cheney: Sec of Defense under Bush I? Check.
— Cheney: side trip through neocon Think Tanks during Clinton years? Check.
— Cheney: side trip to make millions as head of a company that lays pipelines for oil corporations, based in Texas and Dubai? Check.
Cheney is the one person who has served just about everywhere that you’d need to have experience if you wanted to completely, utterly believe that US government should be a tool for oil companies, because oil = security + power.
That’s what Pelosi’s up against.
So clearly, she should get the far larger share of the blame.
Pffffttttttttttt…..!!
And the official Repug propaganda machine is in full spin. Per Fox News:
Jeebus. Do they give the Moonies credit for that? Or did the Moonies AND Fox just replicate the press release word for word?
Nope, no credit. That says to me it was supplied to the official wingnut propaganda outlets.
And as we all know, wingnuts never deviate from the official message machine.
Hmmm…wingnuts and deviate in the same sentence. So very apropo!
That’s what it said in a bathroom stall I was in at the airport the other day!!
LOL!
Paging Jeff Gannon! Jeff Gannon to the white courtesy
phonestall. Paging Senator Larry Craig! There’s room in the white courtesy stall.Did Nancy misspeak here by using the past tense?
(My Bold)
And while I was skimming over at The Hill, I came across this from Senator Robert Byrd:
O/T torture timeline:
Mitchell and Jesson opened up their alleged torture for hire shop “Mitchell’s entry into private contracting began less than three months before September 11 with a scientific consulting company called Knowledge Works, L.L.C. ” -http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/07/torture200707?currentPage=2
Seems to me, after reading this story:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..d=topnews,
where the alleged terrorist are about to be given to the US in Dec 2001, but the British decide to wait for a number of reasons one of them being that the US just might try to allegedly torture them.
that the torture timeline should start on January 20, 2001, when Bush took office.
I didn’t see it as snotty… I’m picturing some Michigan salty dogs raising a draft of High Seas IPA and singing along to “The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald”…
Heh, in Ann Arbor, the inebriated sing “Hail To The Victors”.
Not pretty. Picture Bo Schembechler with pom pons.
Actually, except for the “champions of the west” bit, Victors beats the hell out of my other alma mater fight song, which basically glorifies genocide (Lord Jeff sold smallpox infested blankets to the Native Americans):
Wow! That’s an actual song? Can the marching kazoo band be far behind?
And the mascot really is someone dressed up as an old Brit. Yes indeedy.
Amherst is a feeder school for Wall Street, you know. It’s thing like that song which might best explain the crash.
Germ warfare would be considered child’s play compared to global economic havoc, EW. C’mon, Lord jeff is quaint to those guys ; )
Yeah, Champions of the West my ass. When they come out to Sun Devil Stadium and whup ASU maybe. But Sparky the Sun Devil sez “We whip those pansies in the Big
1011″, bring on the Jeffs!Well, I did say that was the lowpoint of the whole Victors thing. I moved here from UT and before that CA. I’ve never liked that bit. But what are you going to rhyme with “best,” aside from “rest”?
West?
Behest?
Dressed? (think phonetically)
Pressed?
zest?
Breast?
And I haven’t even consulted a rhyming dictionary yet.
Bob in HI
Shirley, you jest.
Quest?
Crest
Oppressed — ok, maybe not oppressed…
I really must get this time thing in phase some day …
Who Owns New York
Proof in the form of one jpeg image from the Harlem River page at the Bridge and Tunnel Club website; a little story about it here.
No one ever played that “Roar Lion, Roar” thing when I was there. We have one of those beefeater guys too, who marches in academic processions. (The last one passed away not long ago.)
Got to agree about “The Victors” though.
Hey PD, what year you? school?
I’m GSAPP 1991.
There are some funny fight songs: Albion College – Fyte Onne!
Appalachian State University – Hi Hi Yikas
Barry University – Go Barry Go
University of Chicago – Scholarly Yells
University of Denver – Fairest of Colleges
Earlham College – “Fight Fight Inner Light”; “Battle Hymn of the Quakers”; “Theme of the Quaker Army”; “How Can We Keep from Scoring”; “Rah–Rah–Rio–Rem”; “Etc.”
The Evergreen State College – The Geoduck Fight Song
Gustavus Adolphus College – Gustie Rouser
Guadalajara Autonomous University (UAG) Himnos Tecos!
University of Hawai’i – Co-Ed Fight Song
College of the Holy Cross – Chu-Chu Rah-Rah
Jesus College, Oxford – Exeter Wank Wank Wank
Kalamazoo College – All Hail to Kazoo
Massachusetts Institute of Technology – The Engineer’s Drinking Song
University of Oxford – Shoo The Tabs or Shoe The Tabs
University of Pennsylvania – Drink a Highball, The Battle Cry of Penn (Hang Jeff Davis)
University of Puget Sound – Fight for UPS
Purdue University – Hail Purdue!
Queen’s University – Queen’s College Colours, also called the Oil Thigh
University of Richmond – Spider Born
St. Olaf College – Um Ya Ya
Syracuse University – The Saltine Warrior
Whittier College – Go Poets!
Wichita State University – Shocker Fight Song
William Jewell College – Fight William Jewell
“Champions of the West”? Really? Growing up in the shadow of Bucky Badger I always heard that sung as “Cesspool of the West” ; ) The rest of the words aren’t fit for a family blog, which is saying something given the language I am perfectly content to use on a family blog ; )
Actually, there’s an excellent Porter around these parts named after the Edmund Fitzgerald.
Though it’s made in OH, not MI. I think it’d be bad luck to name a beer the Edmund Fitzgerald in MI.
Aupa, Estimado Representante SilvestreR, que se adelante cuanto antes. Ya sé, han de acarearse a lo humano moderno, Siga.
Well now, that is a bit, um, civilized. Notice the simpleton brief, easy to remember drunk, uncultured ASU lyrics:
I confess I’ve only ever remembered the first four lines.
Well, it must be Friday, News Dump time with nothing to report, so everyone’s trading school fight songs instead of Seriously Discussing the latest Blizzard of EW’s panoply of diaries.
I had hopes that Rachel Maddow would maintain the practice of doing her show live after 5 PM on Fridays, just so she could catch some of the goodies various folks were saving up for the time when MSNBC would switch all of its programing over to inane programs about, well, you know, Nancy Grace material about jails and street crimes (but never white collar crimes by Washington bureaucrats) and other junk that they run all weekend. Whatever happened to that great idea? Now, at the end of the Rachel Maddow show, its turn autoplay machines on, and the lights out for the weekend. What is it with MSNBC, anyway?
Bob in HI
stanford’s official unofficial song:
it, uh, works better as an instrumental.
Well, now you folks have me checking on Chico State, which I’ve never heard nor read before right this minute, but find incredibly embarrassing:
And they wonder why I don’t send money.
I like the song my dad taught me the best:
Hip Su, Ba Zu,
Teddy Bu, Ra Zu,
Ice kitty, Ice kitty
Chicky-Boo-Ba.
Teddy Ru, Teddy Ra
Teddy Rubby Dubby Flubby Dubby,
Sisss Boom Bah!
Blackduck High School,
Rah, Rah, Rah!
As long as we’re doing fight songs, I remember this from high school days in Madison, WI:
We never stagger,
We never fall,
We sober up on
Wood alchohol
While our loyal faculty
lies drunk on the ballroom floor!
Da da da da da da da, (repeat)
Then there’s the Tom Lehrer version of the Hahvahd fight song:
Fight fiercely, Harvard!
Demonstrate to them our skill.
Albeit they may have the might,
Nonetheless we have the will!
I disremember the rest.
Bob in HI
Lehrer’s ode to the Crimson now gets capped off with The Red Rally Cheer:
Repel them
Repel them
Make them relinquish the ball.
[G. Plimpton]
Ah, yes! I remember it now.
Thanks,
Bob in HI
Speaking of Harvard, reminds me of (Brooklyn-born) Prof. William Alfred’s example of high, medium and low diction:
“The agony has abated.”
“The pain has stopped.”
“It don’t hoit any more.”
Translat of @20: ‘Way to to, Rep. Forrest Kingsley, please continue this initiative as soon as possible. We realize those folks have to face what it is to be part of modern humanity. Forward.’
OT:
There is no dusk to be,
There is no dawn that was,
Only there’s now, and now,
And the wind in the grass.
Days I remember of
Now in my heart, are now;
Days that I dream will bloom
White the peach bough.
Dying shall never be
Now in the windy grass;
Now under shooken leaves
Death never was.
Macleish n
I took a few liberties with the Charles Krauthammer column from this morning. See if you can spot the edits.
Does anyone know why it’s okay to use torture to save lives, but it’s not okay to use stem cells?
Ouch. Awesome juxtaposition Frank.
Just superb.
good point. If stem cells are found on the battlefield, however, I suppose anything goes.
And isn’t the world a battlefield these days (paraphrasing Obama’s friend Elena Kagan)?
not a fight song, but quite possibly a great drinking song, thanks to John Cleese October 2008.
(I found the text first on TheLiberalOC.com)
Ode to Sean Hannity
by John Cleese
Aping urbanity
Oozing with vanity
Plump as a manatee
Faking humanity
Journalistic calamity
Intellectual inanity
Fox Noise insanity
You’re a profanity
Hannity
Here’s the only fight song I know, and it’s easily the best… everybody knows the tune…
I’m enjoying a post-surf Miller Lite (I know, but I’m on the pre-wedding diet) and waiting for bmaz to flame my Lightning Bolts.
We’re expecting a little rain in SoCal tonight.
Best to you and the bride, randiego! When’s the big date?
June 19. Coming up fast!
Okay, well here’s a shower gift for the bride.
Thank you, that’s excellent. There will be plenty of shots that night I’m sure.
Ha! Can’t get any more flaming than that fight song!!
And we will be coming over to talk Ms. RanDiego out of the madness, madness, madness!!
Well ya better hurry up – somebody has got to warn her…
OT/EPU’d on “What Did BushCo Hide…” thread:
Um. One can’t help wondering whether the USG at some point figured out that if they got that data for all the accounts, they had the potential to start tracking the locations of all cellphone owners — essentially all American adults. That could work either by data-mining in retrospect (to determine where any particular person had been at any given time of interest, or to trace their movements over time), or else with enough computing, you could tell where anyone currently is, in real time. If they had ever actually implemented that, then that might explain both the Ashcroft revulsion and the Bush administration failure to file those reports.
Apologies for interrupting the levity, but . . .
“The Obama administration is moving toward reviving the military commission system for prosecuting Guantánamo detainees, which was a target of critics during the Bush administration, including Mr. Obama himself.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05……html?_r=1
http://tinyurl.com/cku2cb
Good Bill Moyers Journal tonight, with Bruce Fein and Mark Danner on torture, then a Boston community organizer who stops foreclosures/evictions.
Yes! Here’s the web page for the discussion on the torture issues, including the transcript.
Bob in HI
OT, but certainly of a piece with knowing which questions not to ask about the torture issue, is this, where it looks like Obama caved on dropping the charges against the two AIPAC honchos:
http://jta.org/news/article/20…..aipac-case
No, that’s the wrong way to frame it. See Glenn Greenwald, and scroll down to “Update II”.
Bob in HI
passing the buck seems to be as contagious as the swine flu
We have witnessed this administration get off for lying about intelligence, starting a completely unnecessary war, outing an undercover agent (well I guess Libby losing his license was something), undermining the DOJ, illegal wiretapping. Now we have alleged spies not even going to trial why Larry Franklin was left holding the goods.
Will we ever witness anyone held accountable for this torture?
Never a time like now to say “when pigs fly” or “when pigs have wings” Especially with the swine flu filling the air waves
Can the swine flu be carried by birds?
http://www.shvoong.com/exact-s…..new-swine/
Chumperiffic!
98% of the “journalists” in the corporate media are chumps. Everyone knows it but the chumps themselves.