Most Convictions Against Siegelman Upheld

Three Republican-appointed judges have upheld most of the convictions of Governor Don Siegelman–while throwing out two counts of Mail Fraud.

The opinion starts by invoking the controversy surrounding the case–then nods to deference to the jury in retaining the convictions.

This is an extraordinary case. It involves allegations of corruption at the highest levels of Alabama state government. Its resolution has strained the
resources of both Alabama and the federal government.

But it has arrived in this court with the “sword and buckler” of a jury verdict. The yeoman’s work of our judicial system is done by a single judge and a jury. Twelve ordinary citizens of Alabama are asked to sit through long days of often tedious and obscure testimony and pour over countless documents to decide what happened, and, having done so, to apply to these facts the law as the judge has explained it to them. And they do. Often at great personal sacrifice. Though the popular culture sometimes asserts otherwise, the virtue of our jury system is that it most often gets it right. This is the great achievement of our system of justice. The jury’s verdict commands the respect of this court, and that verdict must be sustained if there is substantial evidence to support it. Glasser v. United
States, 315 U.S. 60, 80 (1942).

Furthermore, to the extent that the jury’s verdict rests upon their evaluations of the credibility of individual witnesses, and the reasonable inferences to be
drawn from that testimony, we owe deference to those decisions.

It’s the jurors, fault, you see, even though several issues mentioned in the appeal pertain to problems with the jury. 

You can read through the rest and see what you make of the Courts issue by issue treatment of Siegelman’s appeal. But note, in particular, the centrality of Nick Bailey’s testimony in the Court’s decision to uphold most of the convictions. 

That’s important because–as 60 Minutes reported on its piece on Siegelman–there are allegations Prosecutors coached Bailey’s testimony and then did not turn over notes from that coaching to Siegelman’s defense team to use to impeach Bailey. Here’s Scott Horton explaining what happened (and Mukasey’s non-denial denial of the problem).

Back on February 24, CBS News’s Sixty Minutes aired a story on the prosecution of the Siegelman case that contained two bombshells. CBS interviewed Nick Bailey, the former Siegelman aide whose testimony literally sent Siegelman to prison. Bailey told CBS that he was coached and cajoled by prosecutors with more than seventy interviews during which he acknowledged that he didn’t recall key points at which they demanded that he testify. He was also coached to write down testimony in the form the prosecutors wanted it, doing so repeatedly until the story was recounted to their liking. I verified this account by interviewing the two individuals who interviewed Bailey on behalf of CBS News. Subsequently I identified another individual who had spoken with Bailey and received the same account from him.

And click through to see Mukasey’s non-denial denials of problems surrounding Bailey’s testimony.

Given the Court’s assessment of the case–and the way they use Bailey’s testimony as the primary support for the remaining convictions–the allegations about Bailey’s testimony remain one troubling detail.

And there’s another one. Here’s how the Court dismissed the allegations that the prosecution team did its own investigation into jury tampering that it did not reveal to Siegelman’s team (the background on this is at the Horton link above).

Defendants moved just before oral argument for permission to file supplemental information regarding juror misconduct. At oral argument, the government represented to the court that its investigation into that misconduct did not involve the allegations of juror misconduct at issue in this appeal. For this reason, we shall deny the motion.

Well, that was easy. 

It’s funny. In ruling that the upward departure giving Siegelman a 7 year sentence, the Court relied heavily on how Siegelman’s behavior resulted in a "loss of public confidence" that merited the upward departure. But there’s little about this ruling, I think, that will eliminate the loss in public confidence that this case has caused.

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  1. BoxTurtle says:

    I was never certain that Siegelman was innocent. I’m with the court here, the jury so decided.

    I am certain that he was targeted for political reasons.

    What this says to me is that if you successfully impeach Bailey’s testimony, the case vanishes.

    Boxturtle (So why aren’t they attacking Bailey?)

    • emptywheel says:

      I think that’s right. And note they rejected two of Siegelman’s motions bc they were not raised in timely fashion.

      Siegelman’s lawyer said (and was quoted) in the opinion that they would go back for selective proseuction later. Don’t know if they still can, though.

  2. freepatriot says:

    who cares what the jury thought ???

    does this court understand that the prosecution committed FRAUD in front of the jury ???

    a lot of people believe vince, when he sells them the fucking sham wow

    then when they get the fucking sham wow, they want to kill vince

    I don’t give a shit what the consumer thought

    let’s talk about the salesmen

  3. SomethingTheDogSaid says:

    So the next step for the Siegelman defense is to ask for a full review of the Circuit Court?

    • bmaz says:

      So the next step for the Siegelman defense is to ask for a full review of the Circuit Court?

      Heh, in the 11th that is like asking for a bow on your wrapped box.

  4. BoxTurtle says:

    does this court understand that the prosecution committed FRAUD in front of the jury ???

    While I agree with you, that remains legally unproven. For the moment. Get Bailey under oath, and if he sticks to his 60 minutes story I think at the least he gets a mistrial.

    Boxturtle (And the prosecutors get charged criminally)

  5. clymela says:

    This is so disappointing. Seems that Rove and gang never suffer consequences while we are all paying for them on some level or the other.
    And, yes, why isn’t the Bailey thing being emphasized? Is there enough money to take the appeal to the higher level?

  6. BillE says:

    Question, were any of these judges the ones who had Siegelman released with such scathing language for the original trial court? If so, what happened differently. And if not, would they be able to carry the day in an enbanc setting?

    • readerOfTeaLeaves says:

      Yes, but in addition it’s my recollection that Siegelman himself did not take money. He was basically accused of appointing someone to a commission in exchange for donating a large sum of money to a project on behalf of Alabama public schools.

      Call me crazy, but what this suggests to me — particularly after Dana Jill Simpson helped us all connect the dots between:
      – Alabama Sen Richard Shelby, a part-owner (??) of ‘Doss Aviation’
      – Judge Fuller (who put Siegelman in federal prison for 7 years), also a part-owner of ‘Doss Aviation’
      – ‘Doss Aviation’ receiving ‘federal contracts’, although we don’t know for what… running rendition flights? counting iguanas in the Galapagos? running drugs? flying sick and dying children from rural Guatamala to hospitals in Mexico City?

      This just seems really, really weird.
      Add in all the Abramoff-Rove links to the state of Alabama.

      What in heck is Siegelman inadvertantly sitting on that scares the holy bejeezuz out of someone(s)?
      Because Bailey is also in prison, which would be a good way to keep HIM quiet, and he seemed like a person with some impaired cognition issues.

      Call me crazy, but this just seems very strange.

  7. Mary says:

    Kind of nice, how it is timed to really suck wind from sails before Conyers crew can question Rove on the thing where he was not going to be able to invoke privilege much.

    • BoxTurtle says:

      If you think this is going to take any wind from Conyers sails, you don’t know Conyers.

      Boxturtle (Damn the Torpedos, full speed again!)

      • Bluetoe2 says:

        The U.S. is slowing dying the death of a thousand cuts. At some point in time their will be a collective epiphany that the current “system” is no longer legitimate.

      • lllphd says:

        i don’t think – given horton’s latest post on this decision – that rove’s little chat with conyers will be affected one way or the other. it may well have been timed to publicly leave conyers limp, but given that this court did not even review, through brief or argument, ANY of the most damning evidence, they’ve kept themselves fairly safe from considering anything of consequence.

        and anyway, there is the luskin comment that rove won’t testify for weeks.

  8. BayStateLibrul says:

    Maybe I’m a sucker. but everytime I listen to Siegelman he seems to
    be forthright and telling the truth…

  9. Watt4Bob says:

    Immunity = impunity.

    The further we dig, the more it seems our judicial system has been totally co-opted by criminals.

  10. rkilowatt says:

    OT but maybe a vital point. Per a TPM source:

    “Respectfully, you guys are totally misunderstanding something crucial in the AIG bailout: Derivatives claims are not stayed in bankruptcy. (Yet another brilliant innovation from the 2005 bankruptcy reform legislation.)
    If AIG were to go down, derivatives counterparties would be able to seize cash/collateral while other creditors and claimants would have to stand by and wait. … If policyholders at AIG and other insurance companies started to cancel/cash in policies, there would definitely not be enough cash to pay them. Insurers would be forced to liquidate portfolios of equities and bonds into a collapsing market. …

    Additionally, naming AIG’s counterparties without knowing/naming those counterparties’ counterparties and clients would be at best useless, and very likely dangerous. … In some cases this leads to actual riots in the streets, especially since the governments there don’t have the reserves to help out. If you’re Tim Geithner, do you risk it? Or do you grit your teeth and let a bunch of senators call you a scumbag for a few more hours?”

    [[I cannot vouch for credibility of the above; could be a booby-trap that goes far to explain Geithner’s et al failure to apply even rudimentary justice.]]

    • readerOfTeaLeaves says:

      Oh, it gets worse.
      You can find the CSPAN backups of the Senate Banking Committee hearings this week on AIG via the main CSPAN page.

      But just for giggles, note to yourself that Sen Richard Shelby of Alabama was – until the Dems took back the majority on 1 Jan 2007, the Chairman of:
      Senate Select Committee on Intelligence
      Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs.

      So he was chair of Intel and Banking in 2005.
      Not that I have any accusations, nor any specific knowledge.
      But wow, is Alabama a new level or ‘corrupt’, or what…?

      Meanwhile, Shelby would have overseen the new deregulatory categories for CDOs, and he sits in the Senate pontificating.
      And Siegelman…? Quite possibly back to the federal peniteniary.

      Beyond disgusting.

        • readerOfTeaLeaves says:

          Aaaacckkkk!!!
          That’s the second piece of incorrect info that I’ve written here in the past coupla days.

          Argh!
          Okay, revising and updating outworn, incorrect memory tapes…
          Sigh….

          (Why hand Rove a freebie by being inaccurate, eh? The LAST thing I want to hand Rove, or Shelby, is freebie. Sigh…)

          But the Banking stuff still stands.
          (And I kid you not, I checked Shelby’s page at Wikipedia before I posted that info on this thread.

          Here’s what his Wikipedia page says:
          Chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence
          In office
          January 3 – June 6, 2001
          Preceded by Bob Graham
          Succeeded by Bob Graham
          Chairman of the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs
          In office
          January 3, 2003 – January 3, 2007
          Preceded by Paul Sarbanes
          Succeeded by Christopher Dodd
          Member of the U.S. House of Representatives
          from Alabama’s 7th district
          In office
          January 3, 1979 – January 3, 1987
          Preceded by Walter Flowers
          Succeeded by Claude Harris, Jr.
          =======================

          So he was kicked off SSCI after only six months, eh?
          That’s interesting for other reasons, I ’spose.

        • emptywheel says:

          No, first, we got the majority back in 2002.

          And then it became clear that he was the guy who leaked TS info to Fox news. I’m not sure how long after they booted him from SSCI. But when the GOP got the majority back in 2002, Pat Roberts became Chair.

          Though from th elooks of it he ditched SSCI because Banking opened up (you can only be Chair in one place). So maybe it wasn’t that he was a sieve when it came to warmongering information.

        • readerOfTeaLeaves says:

          From Wikipedia (just to irritate bmaz ;-))

          In 2004, a federal investigation concluded that Shelby revealed classified information to the media when he was a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee. [7] Specifically, Shelby revealed classified information on June 19, 2002 to Carl Cameron, the chief political correspondent on Fox News. This information had been given to Shelby only minutes before at a closed intelligence committee meeting. This information consisted of two messages intercepted by the National Security Agency on September 10, 2001, but translated only after the attacks the next day — “the match is about to begin” and “tomorrow is zero hour.”

          Got it.
          Won’t forget again!

    • Phoenix Woman says:

      “Respectfully, you guys are totally misunderstanding something crucial in the AIG bailout: Derivatives claims are not stayed in bankruptcy. (Yet another brilliant innovation from the 2005 bankruptcy reform legislation.)
      If AIG were to go down, derivatives counterparties would be able to seize cash/collateral while other creditors and claimants would have to stand by and wait. … If policyholders at AIG and other insurance companies started to cancel/cash in policies, there would definitely not be enough cash to pay them. Insurers would be forced to liquidate portfolios of equities and bonds into a collapsing market. …

      Additionally, naming AIG’s counterparties without knowing/naming those counterparties’ counterparties and clients would be at best useless, and very likely dangerous. … In some cases this leads to actual riots in the streets, especially since the governments there don’t have the reserves to help out. If you’re Tim Geithner, do you risk it? Or do you grit your teeth and let a bunch of senators call you a scumbag for a few more hours?”

      Oooh! Got linkie!?

        • JThomason says:

          Low and behold the bankruptcy reform bill raises its ugly head again as part of the explanation for the fundamental restructuring and decline of the economy. Its seems to me the derivative priority mechanism is a continuation on the theme of changing the rules to inure vast wealth to certain limited institutions in the Eastern establishment by siphoning unimaginable claims to equity and just holding on to what sticks. It will be more than enough.

          The insurance liability especially from the FDIC perspective leverages the government’s need to protect the private assets and certain interests take a nearly global first lien on distressed assets throughout the domestic market. Its a scheme that has been in the works for years: a heady mix of arbitrage capitalism and neo-feudalism and the principles in this move are bereft of any concern for a fair system where contractual principles of equal bargaining power are sought as being ideal. While the vast majority of citizens toil away at their livelihoods the leisure, potlatch, class schemes to create rolling adjustments in law to the detriment of those without the practical freedom to monitor developments. And this is accelerated by the failure of representative duty among the political classes or at least a co-opting factor maintained through lobbying practices. The aspect of this that leads to trepidation in the realization that at some point a threshold will be reached where economic and financial factors will effect domestic stability. The United States, at such time, will then stand ready to be reintroduced to history.

        • readerOfTeaLeaves says:

          Too much complexity, too much activity with so many exceptions that any actor with bad intentions can game the system very effectively. And it’s interesting that this has been so enabled by the Plantation Caucus; as someone pointed out to me recently, historically (early 1800s) the South was far more culturally wedded to maintaining ‘aristocracy’ than the rest of the nation. (Not meant as a slam against the South, but more to highlight that even now the US does still have regional differences, and the South is the only remaining GOP stronghold.)

          a heady mix of arbitrage capitalism and neo-feudalism and the principles in this move are bereft of any concern for a fair system where contractual principles of equal bargaining power are sought as being ideal.

          But when AIG was losing $450,000 per minute while we bailed them out, I’d say the system doesn’t appear to be sustainable. The one thing that I find fascinating is to hear ‘lefty urban’ friends and ‘conservative Christians’ both question what this nation claims to value: making money on Wall Street.

          I think there’s an emerging discussion about what ‘value’ is, and what should be ‘valued’. Why can’t a first grade teacher earn a paycheck that allows them to buy a home, while someone writing bogus paper on Wall Street claims to ‘add value’, but the schoolteacher is the one bailing out the bonus-inflated Wall Streeter.

          Not sustainable.
          And I don’t see today’s 20-somethings being willing to underwrite that level of stupid.

        • selise says:

          argh. of course it’s not sustainable. it’s not about sustainable. it’s about getting while the getting is good – and the evidence is that in many many cases fraud has been involved. it’s about mindblowing incentives for criminal enterprise and there is no reason that i know of to think that aig is not part of that.

  11. Mary says:

    OT – Time has a story up on the CIA having kittens over the Feinstein’s and Leahy’s moves to cover up more for them investigate torture.

    And from the jumble of letters Time manages to throw at the screen there emerges the argument that is supposed to sway:

    By second-guessing the staffers now, warn the Agency veterans, Feinstein’s investigation will have a “chilling effect on people who are asked to do risky things for this administration,” says a former senior CIA official.

    Why does this argument get used so much, when what it boils down to is saying: If you go after lawbreakers and torturers now, they or their colleagues might be less likely to break the law and torture for Obama

    ???

    Wow, if that’s the argument from the counterpoint crew, the prosecution rest.

    • emptywheel says:

      ANd of course, no one in the CIA is schooled in disinformation. So I’m sure these guys are really genuinely sad about this being conducted tehre, in what thus far has been described as a completely classified review. Honest. THey’d much rather have Conyers or someone do the investigation.

  12. pbfishtaco says:

    Elected officials come and elected officials go…

    but conservative judges are the gift that keeps on giving.

  13. Mary says:

    And btw, how do they go in one sentence from , “warn the Agency veteranS to “says A former senior CIA official” and all without mentioning whether their sources have torture problems that might “enhance” their judgment.

    And without asking them whether or not a little accountability for their role in shooting down a missionary’s plane and killing his wife and infant might have had a “chilling effect” on getting people to disappear KSM and Siddiqui’s children or schedule penis razoring sessions or trips to Syrian detention in coffin-like vaults – – – and, more importantly, whether that would have been a “bad thing.”

  14. Mary says:

    26 – especially in state court settings where the “I will give unto you as you have given unto my campaign” is at issue.

    This report of the W Va Massey case going before the Sup Ct is pretty funny –
    http://www.law.com/jsp/article…..2428760750

    The Judges are spinning like tops on recusal rules for State Court Judges, Ted Olson is trying to play the role of the lawyer for the good guys (who want recusal) while at the same time having to get snappish about whether or not having Federal Judges at your wedding (as he had at his) should trigger recusals.

    • freepatriot says:

      I doknow

      guy coulda jes wanted to […] or somtin …

      that’s not so bad …

      (ducking and running)

  15. Skilly says:

    The Court of Appeal loves them a jury when they convict on a criminal case, but not so much on the civil side of things. The C of As for nearly every crcuit is staffed with so many conservative jurists, that civil juries in federal courts are routinely over ruled through remittur and or out right reversal.
    I am becoming so jaded. When I read the opionions of my circuit and the judges rip on the parties personally or their attorney, but then they fail to deal honestly about the issue or real life proven damages. Ugh, no wonder ammo sales are so high.

      • Skilly says:

        I happen to be in the seventh. I just don’t see that much difference any more at the Appeals level though.

        • bmaz says:

          Heh, okay, I didn’t think to include that. I am in the 9th and, although not as much as once, we actually are a little better than most for reasonableness.

          Thanks for the document on the other comment.

  16. Kathryn in MA says:

    The jury’s verdict commands the respect of this court, and that verdict must be sustained if there is substantial evidence to support it.

    Nonsense. If this were the case, there would never be any appeals. We should tell Norm.

  17. freepatriot says:

    there is a person involved in this case who RECUSED himself from the case, and then took an active part in the prosecution

    after that, the whole fucking prosecution is a FUCKING FRAUD

    you have a person who informed the court that the person would NOT BE INVOLVED in the case

    and then that person GOT INVOLVED IN THE CASE

    outright and undeniable FRAUD, before a Court of law

    poison fruit of a poisonous prosecution team

  18. HarryS says:

    The next meaningful step will be to move for a petition for writ of habeas corpus before the same lousy district court judge who screwed the case up in the first place. Then Siegelman can bring back in all of the evidence of perjury by Bailey and prosecutorial misconduct by the U.S. Attorney. The Court of Appeals couldn’t consider this in Siegelman’s direct appeal, where they just review the court transcripts to find obvious errors on the face of the record of the case.

    The Obama Justice Dep’t can be helpful in Siegelman’s habeas proceedings, to the extent that they (and Congress) dig up evidence of wrongdoing. the judge might screw them over anyway and then it would be back to this same appellate panel. This will take quite awhile, but I imagine that if the evidence is as startling as Horton’s articles and the 60 Minutes piece both suggest, it will be hard to deny Siegelman a new trial in the end.

  19. maryo2 says:

    “Its resolution has strained the resources of both Alabama and the federal government.”

    So? Is this judge saying that it is too expensive to pursue rich or well-connected people, so the less well-connected should just go to jail for 7 years?

  20. Skilly says:

    BMAZ,

    You asked about the circuit. Here is a quick link to a good blog on the treatment of counsel who try to raise novel cases.

  21. FrankProbst says:

    I’m with BoxTurtle, for the most part. And I really don’t understand why the defense couldn’t/didn’t bring a lot of this up at the original trial. If a witness is on the stand saying you did something that you know you didn’t do, you should ask the witness about any motivations for lying. This witness was obviously (at best) extensively coached. That should have been brought up at trial. Why wasn’t it?

  22. HarryS says:

    If there was ineffective assistance of counsel, that will be part of the habeas, although I don’t think trial counsel is required to assume that the prosecution suborned perjury. If you discover perjury by a prosecution witness after conviction (through media interviews with the witness for example), and the testimony of that witness was an important part of the prosecution’s case, that’s a picture perfect ground for a new trial.

  23. JLML says:

    Does anyone else think that Siegelman’s lawyers have been fairly lame throughout all these proceedings?

    • freepatriot says:

      Does anyone else think that Siegelman’s lawyers have been fairly lame throughout all these proceedings?

      no, not really. but I ain’t really been paying attention to the defense in this case

      and what norm coleman’s peple are doing right now in Minnesota is also called “Lawyerin”, so the bar is pretty low

  24. freepatriot says:

    now they’re just pokin lushbo with a stick:

    Cafferty just read a couple of emails endorsing Michele Obama for President

    excuse me, Mr Creosote, would you like a wafer thin mint ???

    that’s just cruel

    who wants popcorn ???

    • readerOfTeaLeaves says:

      You know, I didn’t think that I could get tired of popcorn, but I may have overeaten some the past coupla weeks.

  25. JohnLopresti says:

    There was a dereg notice in the Bush Federal Register December 22 2008 giving gaming outfits a reprieve from burdensome laundering filters which were skeining for other species of the international sort. I once knew someone who was living in AL, who described the mushrooming business of casinos there, as in other southeastern seaboard states. Reading the beginning of the Jill Simpson nondeposition interview this week was a reminder of the penchant for campaigns to develop obscurely sourced contributions.

    On the separate topic of the DiFi scrutiny, a quote from exOLC, ex911Commish GC, DanMarcus, at the February2008 ACS event discussing shredded torcha tapes seemed to captcha the difficulty congress has addressing the proper spectrum of activities for that agency under her microscope, Marcus’ excerpt:

    “…And what I think this shows about the CIA is that an intelligence agency like the CIA, and particularly the CIA, which operates abroad, and whose business it is, is to operate in secret and to do lots of things that are illegal – that would be illegal if done by the CIA in the United States, that’s their business; that’s their charter. That’s what they’re supposed to do. That creates a culture of secrecy, of lack of candor, of lack of forthcomingness. And I don’t mean this in any way to prejudge what happened in this case. That makes it particularly important for the Congress to do a good job of overseeing these agencies…”; the link name has videotape in it, but is actually a full transcript.

    • bobschacht says:

      This quote makes it seem like the only good intelligence is that which is obtained illegally. That attitude is not only sicko, its also mostly not true. It is the Jack Bauer approach to intelligence ops.

      I think one factor that hasn’t been mentioned much is attention span. Today’s intelligence agents have mostly been raised in a world of instant gratification, so that anything that takes time, hard work or patience is scorned, and anything that promises instant gratification is valued, whether illegal or not.

      Bob in HI

  26. lllphd says:

    boxturtle, you and any others here who might share questions about siegelman’s innocence….

    first of all, having spent far more time in alabam than i care to remember, all i can say is you. have. no. earthly. idea. AL is beyond backward and corrupt. and GA, where the 11th sits, is only marginally better because of atlanta.

    that said, this court was clearly ashamed, hence their per curiam decision. do read scott horton’s take on the whole thing, including the fact that all the most egregious problems with the original trial were not even presented to this court, so they could comfortably ignore them.

    http://www.harpers.org/archive…..c-90004513

    • bmaz says:

      all the most egregious problems with the original trial were not even presented to this court, so they could comfortably ignore them.

      Yeah, well that is on Siegelman, not the court. Cant beat the court up if the appellant’s lawyers didn’t brief properly.

      • lllphd says:

        got the impression from scott that the appeals court could not review those issues as they were not part of the original case.

        • bmaz says:

          When it comes to defenses and arguments, the rule is that you raise them or waive them. Are there ways to attempt to raise them at this point? Yes. Are they methods that would lead a rational legal mind to think there was much chance for success? No.

  27. reader says:

    I am encouraged that there is much more about the Siegelman matter that has not been reviewed yet. And, yeah, the timing is pretty obvious. Maybe even the result ”directed” to support the mission. I tell ya, it’s always more corrupt than we imagine, so why not.

    As for the torturers worried about investigations and threatening to withdraw their ”protection” of their fellow Americans, that’s a really easy one.

    I say: LISTEN UP fellas, that’s okay by me if you stop torturing people. PLEASE. DO. STOP. RIGHT. NOW. Don’t worry about it.

    • bmaz says:

      I am encouraged that there is much more about the Siegelman matter that has not been reviewed yet.

      Dude, arguments not made on appeal are generally waived. I would not be encouraged if I were you.

      And for everybody else feeling all rosy and optimistic about Siegelman, I am quite sorry to tell you that is quite misplaced. The chances of an 11th en banc reversal are nearly nil, and the chance of the Supremes accepting cert are below that. You are dreaming if you think otherwise.

  28. MadDog says:

    OT – Via TPM, news from the ACLU on those 92 destroyed torture videotapes:

    (Editor’s Note: This statement was released by the ACLU on March 6, 2009)

    ACLU: CIA Confirms 12 Destroyed Videotapes Depicted “Enhanced Interrogation Methods”
    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
    March 6, 2009

    NEW YORK – As part of an American Civil Liberties Union lawsuit seeking information on detainee abuse, the government today provided new details about the content of interrogation videotapes destroyed by the CIA, specifically that 12 depict so-called “enhanced interrogation techniques.” In documents filed in a New York federal court, the government also announced it would produce a complete list of summaries, transcripts or memoranda related to the videotapes by March 20. However, an inventory of the tapes provided to the court was nearly entirely redacted.

    Note that the TPM links to the newest documents don’t work, but these do:

    Copy of the government’s letter to the court
    Copy of the redacted videotape inventory
    Redacted description of the tapes

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