Matt Cooper Predicts Bad Things for His Buddy Karl Rove
It was bound to happen. Matt Cooper, to whom Karl Rove leaked Valerie Wilson’s identity, is now reporting on Karl Rove again (at his new digs over at TPM). Better yet, Matt suggests Turdblossom may have miscalculated in his efforts to avoid testifying before the House Judiciary Committee.
I spoke with a Washington lawyer who has dealt with many presidential privilege issues and he (or is it she?) raised some interesting questions and offered a prediction.
The first interesting point the person raised is that Rove’s attorney, Robert Luskin, may have made a tactical mistake in writing to White House Counsel Greg Craig for an opinion. "Be careful what you ask for," the source said. After all, Craig could come up with a rationale for Rove testifying. And why rush to Craig at all when you might prevail in the courts? True, the courts have been loathe to offer hard and fast rules in these cases but it would seem worth pursuing such a legal avenue before going to the Democratic White House for solace. My source predicted that in the end there probably will be some kind of accomodation with Rove answering questions on some topics and not on others rather than a showdown that drags on endlessly. Interestingly, the source thought Obama’s executive order on presidential records differed enough from the question of testimony that it probably would not be determinative in the end. [my emphasis]
See? I’m not crazy!! There’s a difference between Executive Prvilege and Absolute Immunity (otherwise known as the claim that you can just blow off Congress). And Rove may not be playing this one correctly, not least because Greg Craig has a great deal of leeway in how he responds to Rove.
Jeebus, I hope Matt’s source is right that Luskin screwed up tactically. Because, thus far, Luskin has been really lucky (and, I have to begrudgingly admit, good) with his defense of Rove.
At some point the luck has to start turning against Turdblossom, doesn’t it?
Somehow I don’t think Cooper is a KKKarl fan.
“correctly” is relative, rove has made his own rules and others have acquiesced, he has never played anything correctly
he’s had the power to just be smug, he still thinks he has that power…unless congress arrests him he does
this is my same point as far as cheney’s claims, so long as congress would not stop him he does indeed have any power he wants, same thing was true about bush
now, if congress finally has some balls they will skip all legal foot work, set a date for subpeona and just arrest the man
oh my eyes
I have noticed rove and rush look like brothers to me
BFB’s
Jane, you sound just like the quote in this week’s SI from Serena when a male streaker did his thing during her match Down Under – “I just thought, My eyes, my innocent eyes”.
Hmmm. Rove’s fig leaf again! The perfect antidote to seeing Blago on teevee all day.
I am glad I haven’t seen TV all day. Was it pitful to watch?
‘Cor, that’s a luvly bit of stuff’
Lucky, yes. Good, yes. But doesn’t always wearing a coat and tie in the presence of regality count anymore?
;>)
What I just don’t understand is why don’t the D’s go after Rove, + all the other Bushies with a ‘gloves off’ approach? I can understand all the ‘look forward’ nonsense, but if we are ever going to prevent the next iteration of Bushie govt (and, sorry to say, somewhere down the line there will be another iteration) from repeating this irresponsibility, we must investigate and go where the evidence takes us.
Remember D’s, ‘we won’!!!!!!!!!!
all the “look forward” rhetoric has been going on for several years now. Both Republicans and Dems have been singing that tune. Disgusting
“nonsense” indeed
Digg It
Ew “see I’m not crazy”
Just “crazy” for justice.
Damn that image of Rove almost made me lose my dinnner
What a disgusting pic.
Didn’t I read somewhere that someone in DOJ who has a say in this is a friend of Goebbels-lite?
could luskin be betting that obama will want to retain as much such leeway to protect himself and his own aides in parallel situations? i mean, one calculated error these folks tend to make is that not everyone thinks like they do, especially when it comes to making self-serving decisions. they assume everyone has a price, and they further assume no one will walk away from power.
the very idea of principle and conscience are but smirks upon their dark spirits.
That, plus Luskin has better odds with Craig (particularly before Holder gets his DOJ up and running) than he does with Bates.
ah, good point.
OT, but just got this email from greg palast (not a guy to grant much slack to any violators of laws or rights); interesting take on the stim package:
Obama is a two-faced liar. Aw-RIGHT!
by Greg Palast
January 29, 2009
Republicans are right. President Barack Obama treated them like dirt, didn’t give a damn what they thought about his stimulus package, loaded it with a bunch of programs that will last for years and will never leave the budget, is giving away money disguised as “tax refunds,” and is sneaking in huge changes in policy, from schools to health care, using the pretext of an economic emergency.
Way to go, Mr. O! Mr. Down-and-Dirty Chicago pol. Street-fightin’ man. Covering over his break-your-face power play with a “we’re all post-partisan friends” BS.
And it’s about time.
Frankly, I was worried about this guy. Obama’s appointing Clinton-droids to the Cabinet, bloated incompetents like Larry Summers as “Economics Czar,” made me fear for my country, that we’d gotten another Democrat who wished he were a Republican.
Then came Obama’s money bomb. The House bill included $125 billion for schools (TRIPLING federal spending on education), expanding insurance coverage to the unemployed, making the most progressive change in the tax code in four decades by creating a $500 credit against social security payroll deductions, and so on.
It’s as if Obama dug up Ronald Reagan’s carcass and put a stake through The Gipper’s anti-government heart. Aw-RIGHT!
About the only concession Obama threw to the right-wing trogs was to remove the subsidy for condoms, leaving hooker-happy GOP Senators, like David Vitter, to pay for their own protection. S’OK with me.
And here’s the proof that Bam is The Man: Not one single Republican congressman voted for the bill. And that means that Obama didn’t compromise, the way Clinton and Carter would have, to win the love of these condom-less jerks.
And we didn’t need’m. Nyah! Nyah! Nyah!
Now I understand Obama’s weird moves: dinner with those creepy conservative columnists, earnest meetings at the White House with the Republican leaders, a dramatic begging foray into Senate offices. Just as the Republicans say, it was all a fraud. Obama was pure Chicago, Boss Daley in a slim skin, putting his arms around his enemies, pretending to listen and care and compromise, then slowly, quietly, slipping in the knife. All while the media praises Obama’s “post-partisanship.” Heh heh heh.
Love it. Now we know why Obama picked that vindictive little viper Rahm Emanuel as staff chief: everyone visiting the Oval office will be greeted by the Windy City hit man who would hack up your grandma if you mess with the Godfather-in-Chief.
I don’t know about you, but THIS is the change I’ve been waiting for.
Will it last? We’ll see if Obama caves in to more tax cuts to investment bankers. We’ll see if he stops the sub-prime scum-bags from foreclosing on frightened families. We’ll see if he stands up to the whining, gormless generals who don’t know how to get our troops out of Iraq. (In SHIPS, you doofusses!)
Look, don’t get your hopes up. But it may turn out the new President’s … a Democrat!
I am not a mod. Just suggesting it might be better to link to the article. That way folks can see the cool photo of the godfather and read some of Greg’s other fine writing.
apologies; it was an email and i was in a bit of a rush. and you’re right; folks deserve the full palast. he rocks.
No apology needed.
Hey, we’re all in a rush these days.
Lot’s to do.
Yes. He rocks.
He’s the only guy in my lifetime to serve in office who wasn’t born with a silver spoon in his mouth – And don’t throw Jimmy Carter at me, they were big time farmers with thousands of acres, rural rich.
Big O get’s it. He’s self made. He sees ‘em coming before they know which direction they’re coming from.
It’s morning in America, and the world’s spinning the right direction this time.
’scuse me? last i checked, bill clinton did not have an easy childhood at all. and yeah, carter’s family held property, but that hardly qualifies them for silver spoons. ask any farmer, even if they own the land, especially in the last century. that just does not compare to what the bush family possesses, by any stretch of the imagination.
in fact, if you think about it, the bush boys were the ONLY presidents in recent history – well, since fdr – NOT to have humble roots. truman, ike, even nixon, they all came from rural backgrounds not at all rolling in cash.
so i agree with your sentiments about humble beginnings, but please temper the thoughts with the facts.
JFK?
Well, shit. I guess I better study up a bit before opening my big mouth. I’ve been under the impression that all those guys came from pretty well off backgrounds. And you don’t have to be as rich as the Bush’s to have a silver spoon in your mouth in my opinion.
Anyway, I guess if there’s anything of my point left at all, it’s to say that he’s the most decidely and most recently not rich guy to take the White House that I’m aware of. It’s kinda nice to know a guy might remember what it’s like to need to check his checkbook to make sure the one he’s about to write the electric company will clear.
gosh, forgive me, but i suppose your comment begs the obvious question….
just how long is your lifetime? thus far, of course.
clinton
How we lookin’ for a deposition on Monday? Will the Groundhog see his shadow?
It’s a hearing, right…he’s not being deposed?!
Speaking of a fateful deposition, what is happening in the Mike Connell case, and might Rove be questioned about the threats he made on Connell’s life, since it is related to election fraud, and that is tangentially related to the USA firings?
good question. though i’ll bet labdancer’s right and he’ll restrict his testimony to a limited list of topics. connell would not likely make that cut. real pity, that.
No comprendo…
Connell either was deposed, or testified, though I think the former, the day before the election. He was due to testify before one of the Judiciary committees, and that may have been a reason he was offed, as was likely the situation.
uh yeah, sorry that pic froze my brain… damn
Turdblossom throws the dice once more…and comes up craps.
OT – just saw this at TPM
Not that I’d have first-hand knowledge but I’m fairly certain that fig leaf is waaaay too big.
That is the funniest picture ever.
I don’t think you need worry as to whether Luskin screwed the pooch on this one.
It’s pretty clear TB isn’t going to the Hill until a federal marshal has in hand a warrant for his arrest – from which point Karl will start talking about some “misunderstanding”, how he’s always been willing to go “voluntarily”, you know, some time, maybe, if they really think they need him, of course under the right circumstances, you know, if the proper arrangements get made.
I think Luskin here has made the only move open to TB at this point. He’s saying to Craig:
Look – Bush very effectively carved out a little piece of what I suggest for a POTUS is a very useful piece of immunity, something your boss over time is going to appreciate, for someone like, say, Aftergood. The Bush I and Clinton experiences may well have proved the impossibility of a first-term POTUS running the executive branch without also running for re-election, and the ‘prudence’ of Bush’s WH counsel doing all he could to create a Cone of Silence for his WH political officer. Now it’s up to you to decide whether it’s prudent to throw that away – and for what? To placate a bunch of DFHs who want to see this fat spent carcass with an apple in his mouth basting away in an oven? Fat lot of threat he proved to be to your boss. Plus your boss has already shown how he thinks noisy fat winger partisans are to be dealt with. Letting Congress go after Karl is giving Congress a weapon it’s going to use to go after you: look at what happened to Clinton – and for what!
Luskin figgers 3 things: it’s not likely Obama will resist drawing a line somewhere; it’s not at all easy to draw a line when one’s on interests are put potentially at risk; and lastly it doesn’t really matter where the Obama line gets drawn – once a line is drawn it gives Luskin something to work with.
I keep saying Luskin’s Letter: The Finger [now it’s also Rove’s “January 16th” reiteration – whatever] can’t possibly be saying anything new or definitive or at all helpful to TB in any way that would make sense in any public arena. As you Ms E Wheel yourself have posted and hosted, and the inimitable freep has captured, it can’t be executive privilege, because that strikes at the heart of politics and forces even fence-sitting Dems and MAYBE EVEN R-thoritarians into committing themselves to steps that inevitably threaten to put a former POTUS in the pokey. And as Judge Bates has shown, and you agree [I put more stock in the latter.], as a legal conception A.I. is B.S., and nothing more.
So, I like Matt Cooper, and I’m sure he’s got a source for this; but where’s the downside in Luskin going to Craig at this point? And if not at this point, then when? Okay, supposed this particular card is best played when it must be played – but Karl’s under a pressing deadline, and if I’m right on what this all means, now’s the time to play it.
Methinks there are more DFHs ‘out here’ than Luskin might want to think about.
It would be soooooo worth it.
OT:
Obama Considers GOP Sen. Judd Gregg For Commerce
Gregg is a putz, I don’t care about getting him out of the Senate since he is going to get voted out in 2 years.
Yeah it would be nice to boot Sunnunu and Gregg so close together – but Commerce, the guy voted against money vote mental health care for vets and other winners.
Ew Amy Goodman has Don Siegelman and Scott Horton on today addressing Rove and the Siegelman case
http://www.democracynow.org/shows/2009/1/28
Wayne Madsen has another angle on the WH Counsel, Greg Craig, and it could get ugly… Some snippets of the WMR piece, the rest of which can be released tomorrow…
January 28-29, 2009 — Obama’s White House Counsel has major conflicts of interest on Rove testimony
WMR has learned today that President Barack Obama’s White House counsel Greg Craig has a number of major conflicts of interest in deliberating whether to support the petition by Karl Rove’s lawyer, Robert Luskin, to rule on whether Rove continues to enjoy White House executive immunity from being called to testify next week before John Conyers’ House Judiciary Committee. […]
We have also learned that Craig had other conflicts-of-interest. Craig represented Alabama Republican Senator Richard Shelby in an ethics matter involving Doss Aviation, a defense contracting firm that the federal judge who tried and sentenced Siegelman, Mark Fuller, had a major financial stake. Shelby is also alleged to have a major financial interest in Doss Aviation. WMR previously reported that in financial statements filed by Fuller, the address for Doss Aviation was listed as the U.S. Federal Courthouse in Montgomery. We have now learned that the use of the courthouse address for Doss pre-dates Fuller’s nomination as a federal judge by a couple of years and the courthouse was and is used by Shelby as a mail drop.
Fine: So either Craig outs himself or outsources the problem to OLC – IOW not exactly an insurmountable dilemma.
Amy Goodman…old clips of Iglesias too! Great interview
“SCOTT HORTON: I think it’s quite problematic for him to involve himself in this, given that relationship, so probably other lawyers in the President’s staff should be addressing this.
But I think the threshold issue is very clear, and that is whether or not the White House is going to say, “No, you don’t even have to answer this subpoena.” We have a district court judge saying that was an absurd position. Indeed, I’d say that’s pretty much the uniform position in the legal community. It was an absurd position. So he will have to respond to the subpoena. He will have to sit in the hearings, and he’ll have to respond to questions.
That still leaves open the issue of whether or not he can invoke the privilege with respect to specific questions. And, you know, the implication of the privilege suggests—it implies very strongly, because the privilege covers his communications with the President—it suggests that Karl Rove had discussions about these matters, the US attorney firing and also the prosecution of Governor Siegelman, with President Bush directly. And if so, there’s no doubt but that these things, all these things, would have been improper, potentially even criminal.”
Forgot to include Wayne Madsen’s summary statement…
It is now very transparent that his White House Counsel Craig is up to his eyeballs in the political misuse of the Justice Department by Bush, Dick Cheney, Rove, and others during the last administration. If Craig rules that Rove is covered by an executive immunity exemption and does not have to testify before Conyers’ committee, Obama will have his first major scandal on his hands — one that is a leftover from the administration he promised “change” from.
Don Siegelman on Democracy Now
“But what—this is more important than my case. As you well know, this effort of bringing Karl Rove before the Judiciary Committee is just a start to get at the truth, the truth of not only about who hijacked the Department of Justice and used it as a political tool to win elections, but it’s also a start to find out why we got into the war in Iraq. Was it for oil, or was it for weapons of mass destruction? Who authorized torture? Who authorized the wiretaps? Who was involved in stealing elections? But this is far more important than my case or Karl Rove. This is about restoring justice and preserving our democracy. And, you know, Dennis Kucinich is talking about a truth and reconciliation commission, but we need an accountability and a responsibility commission, as well. We need to make sure that those people who were involved in these nefarious activities are held accountable and are punished, so that these things are less likely to happen again in the future.”
DAMN RIGHT DON!
Sorry, that pic should be censored. Man, a fig leaf will never be big enough…Ughh.
there is nothing under that fig leaf.
looks more like an aspidistra, anyhow.
but golly, what could possibly be difficult about bringing this garden-variety slug before a nice, civilized committee…one way or another?
Is that Vaudeville’s Gracie Fields you’re channeling? Altogether now:
He’s got
The biggest
Aaaaaaaassssssssss-
Pidistra
In the world.
I remain in awe of twolf for this bit of Photoshop (and psychological) genius, but my eyes…. Off to put an ice pad on ‘em. Ouch!!
Okay Twolf, how’d you get Rove to take his clothes off?
I don’t know if I am ever going to be able to eat grapes again
I had been “away”….I hope he sees the picture. Sickening like he is.
never before have so many owed so much to such a small fig leaf
well, not since the last time you posted that foul image …
here is the pdf in newsweek of the fielding’s letter to luskin. it expressly gives absolute immunity, NOT executive privilege.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/182224
My – my …one gets the impression of pre-pontification rising to one’s full majestic height and ruffing of feathers … a scene which, in reality world, so often culminated by a blast from a shotgun, with the grouse sent hurtling briefly airward and barely landing before the hunter’s lab retriever arrives to tender it along to its ultimate reward.
I should really pause before firing this off, at least to read the Dance of the Assembled Scholars – – but really, this is so fulsome with and pungent of precisely the sort of minimally processed waste in recognition of his routine manufacture of which the former president [bless his little pea-sized heart for this at least] nicknamed him.
oh, and here is the accompanying article, replete with quotes and opinions from the usual scholars.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/182240
I expect Ms E Wheel was shocked … SHOCKED to find this being reported by – Isikoff!
sorry; vague antecedents there. the ‘he’ was to mean rove, not connell. rove’s testimony will not likely include anything about connell.
connell was indeed deposed. and it’s not clear he was offed, though it’s certainly suspicious. the best reporting on this story i’ve seen comes from larissa alexandrovna at atlargely.com and brad friedman at bradblog.com. from the latter, there is an interview with fitrakis (the atty representing the neighborhood in OH that is suing ken blackwell) who states it’s tragic and a shame to lose connell (especially for his large family), but the case will proceed in strength, even without him. sure wish the case could get some national news legs.
Damn you and your incredible skill, twolf !
I had planned on going the whole day without a drink …
… shuffles off to Cellar …
EPU’d: Uhm. So we’ve established it’s a stall tactic, then. Uh, well, OK, so does Rover maybe have any specifically discernible SoL-related motivations to run the clock long here?
Has some other reportage medium produced the letter itself, or are we left to rely on the legendary perspicacity and integrity of Isikoff as to his assessment that the letter he displays as sent Rove’s lawyer Luskin is, in point of fact, “nearly identical” to the one sent Mier’s lawyer?
It appears that we poor ignorant lame-brained unwashed plebeians are being called on to assume that in some parallel universe at least partly incorporating Washington, the concept conveyed in the words “executive privilege” is functionally indistinguishable from that conveyed in the word “absolute immunity”.
Monty Python got it wrong in Holy Grail: it’s the royals that’ve got more shit on ‘em.
And now I’m going to tell you guys what’s under that fig leaf. This is going to be one of those train wreck things. You don’t really want to read it but you will.
I used to be quite a gym rat. One day I was headed back to the lockers from the showers and a man was going the other way with his towel over his shoulder. I would much preferred that it were around his waist, but such was not the case.
I caught a glimps and, you see, the man was rather portly, much in the manner of our boy turd blossum. The, actually makes you vomit just a little, shocking thing about this was that his unit was not as long as his fat was thick – as such rather than any sort of protuberance, there was an apperent hole of no great diameter in the location one might have hoped for a fig leaf.
Shocking but true. Thus, in KKK’s case no fig leaf is required for vanity, but trust me, you’re very glad it’s there.
Good night, and good luck.
Dismayed (@ 55), Bill Clinton came from a place even more nowhere than did Obama.
That picture is way too realistic for me to want to see it. Now I’ve got to go buy a whole store load of brain bleach.
Point made – But Clinton married into the establishment.
I’ll be 44 this year. Just a pup.
if there is a god in heaven
Yep always pick pick pick on poor Karl
wow liberals suck
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