No Auto Bridge Loan
Harry Reid: We’re very sorry we couldn’t arrive at a conclusion. But I appreciate Chris Dodd. This man has worked day and night for months.
I like Shelby too. He hasn’t been heavily involved in these negotiations. But you never have to guess where he stands.
Corker did wonderful work. We weren’t able to arrive at legislation to get enough Republican votes. Corker will work well next year. We have a lot of work to do.
I hope they appreicate that we worked with the White House on this, and we came up with a bill with the White House. We have not been able to get this over the finish line. Procedure: We’re not going to get to the finish line. Too much difference between the two sides. All of us on this side of the aisle in favor of the bill negotiated with the White House. We’re not going to be able to vote on that. Tomorrow vote on cloture. We would move to proceed on that. As I’ve indicated, we don’t have 60 votes, we won’t cause undue hardship. 10:30 or so tonight, vote on cloture. I don’t think we’re going to get 60 votes. I dread, Mr. President, looking at Wall Street tomorrow. Millions of Americans, dealership, those who work on cars. As I mentioned earlier today, Christmas is approaching. This is going to be a very bad Christmas as a result of what takes place here tonight. Time for talking is over. We should vote and move on to something else.
Mitch: Talking about the banking bailout. Claiming it was swell. We’ve had the question of the American auto manufacturers, but very few of us had anything to do with causing their dilemma.
[Blowing kisses to Bob Corker–why do they pretend he was negotiating in good faith???]
Mitch: Sticking point is whether the UAW is willing to agree to parity pay structure with other manufacuters in this country. Not been willing to give date specific on which parity achieved. At this point, I agree with majority leader to have the cloture vote.
Cloture at 10:40. Dodd with 10 minutes.
Mitch: Reserve right to check with one member.
Dodd: reviewing what happened. As my colleagues may know, we’ve had hearings.For the literally hundreds of thousands of people, this will not be a joyous season, because we were incapable of coming up with an answer to save the American automobile industry. It is disheartening. I love Bob Corker, too. There were 3 major issues Corker brought me. We agreed on two almost immediately, on the third involving parity, we could not come to closure. The issue came down to this–there was no debate among the UAW, the question was the timing of it. BOA announced 35,000 people would be laid off. The idea that you would have new hires to replace existing workers is tough. The idea that would achieve parity within days after March 31 is not realistic. Tonight, regretfully, we have stumbled this evening. Mr. President, I’m deeply saddened, but also worried. None of us were going to write a check without conditions. If the Czar said nothing would work, Chapter 11 would entail–and candidly, Chapter 7. That outcome would cost taxpayers billions. We are walking away because we wouldn’t slam this down. We are not demanding this of dealers, suppliers or anyone else. No one else is required to meet on date certain, a requirement.
Corker: Express my deep gratitude to Dodd. Durbin. I do want to say Mr President that this highly technical matter involved VEBA and bonds that were technical in nature. We had the UAW represented in the room. We are about three words away from a deal. What my colleagues would like to see is a date certain when something is going to occur. We offered any date in 2009 when we were going to get there. About three words keep us from reaching an agreement. If this happens, this is so much better than what is before us on the floor. These companies can go forward with 1/3 of their debt. Pay half of their VEBA in stock. Healthier than 40 years. 3 words away from a landmark piece of legislation.
Shelby: I want to commend Corker. Most of you know where I stand. These companies could be saved! (Get religion!!!!) These aren’t the GM, Ford, and Chrysler. We benefit from competition. I come from the south where we have a growing auto industry. They’re not going to be competitive so long as they operate with this business model. I fear it’s just the down payment on more.
Stabenow: This is not a bailout. This is a bridge loan to stop us from over $150 billion in taxpayer funds, inclduing assuming taxpayer cost for 775000 pension taht will go into the PBGC. We’re talking about a small bridge loan. Every other country is stepping up because they understand it is critical for their defense. We are saying we don’t care about the backbone. We cannot all push paper on Wall Street. Someone has to make something. I want to thank Reid, and Dodd. One more crisis on doorstep of Dodd. Corker. Voinovich. Bond. The reality is this. It’s okay for a major corporation to go bankrupt and for what? We have a tough bill. They’re saying teh only way we’re going to do this is if the workers are willing to negotiate first with the Republican party. We have tried everything we have negotiated with every party. The reality is we are in a position where the only thing that matters to the majority on the other side of hte aisle is that worker get paid too much in this country. There are those who think they can play games with this. This is about the economy of this country. We are in serious trouble. The suppliers supply Nissan and Toyota and the Army. The same axles that are men and women are driving are the same that are put on our trucks and cars. Shame on us for walking away, thinking that we can do this another time. Retirees who have done nothing but work hard their entire life. This is about whether or not we’re going to make a commitment to the middle class and manufacturing. There are enough votes in this room to give them the chance to restructure. Don’t 2.5 million people deserve 3 months?? 3 months of time?? If we don’t do that we’re going to exchange dependence on foreign oil for dependence on foreign automobiles. I would ask my colleagues to join with us in voting for the future of this country.
10:42: we vote.
Wow, Dodd’s really wailing.
It’s all about union busting.
I’m not happy about being vindicated.
And he should. Call out the Republicans for taking the country down.
Fuck.
I cannot believe this. I give up trying to figure out what is going on. As per my comment for previous post, one solution would be to commit Senate GOP members for observation for 72 hours as danger of committing serious harm to themselves and others.
If the GOP wants to filibuster, then this is time Reid should make them stand up and do an honest filibuster. I would like the TV to blare their nonsense, and their desired wish to (apparently) strip retirement and medical benefits from ex- Big 3 workers. Or decent retirement and medical benefits for current workers. The cash pay is at approximate parity, so those are the only places the labor share money can come from.
If the economy collapses Republicans will be hunted down in the streets.
Hunting season is on in Ohio
If the economy collapses it’s going to be open season!
Shock Doctrine!
Put a cork in Corker.
Shorter Corker: “Any day, any day in 2009…when the unions are no more.”
A$$hats.
I hope all the laid off workers go make shanties out of car parts near Bush’s new home in Dallas. There’s no reason to break the union. They negotiated.
Do they really want to go down as worse than Hoover? Boggles the mind. It’s really time to come up with something analogous to “Hooverville.” Bushmills. Georgetowns. Can they be prosecuted for gross negligence?
W:tf
KT
Reid’s calling their bluff. Are they really ready to take the country down? I think the Red State senators are. The question is, are Bush & Paulsen.
That’s a question?!
They did it before in 1861 and “…caused 620,000 soldier deaths and an undetermined number of civilian casualties…”
Déjà vu all over again.
This would presuppose that Reid had the stones to do it. Facts not in evidence.
Unions should go on strike tomorrow morning… thru Jan 20th.
Shorter Corker: “Landmark legislation, historic…when the unions are no more.“
crap, and all i get is the crappy rerun of liberman giving fellatio to 9/11 commission members.
R.I.P. U.S. economy.
Gosh, that kind of leaves its ‘dependents’ in a hell of a fix.
Was there a will?
Or did it demise intestate?
YOYO. If you haven’t paid off your mortgage, and u can’t afford ur property taxes, find a camp to live in.
You mean a camp that people could, um … concentrate in, eCAHN?
I mean a camp where people starve while surrounded by barbed wire.
Oh. A gated community.
Sounds like the ‘Murkan ‘dream’ has turned nightmarish.
Who could have …
Tried to warn. Who could have anticipated?
Another casualty of the Age of Stupid.
I suspeculate, Hugh, that your “Age of Stupid” has morphed into the Age of Abysmally, in not Terminally Stoopid …
Hang on to yer bippies, folkses, there be turbulence ahead!!!
edit (function, where be you?) … ‘if’ not Terminally …
Clearly the GOP is starting a hate and resentment campaign for 2010 already. Though, I think they have a tin ear and are seriously misreading their audience. Does the GOP really think that union auto workers are perceived as pampered, lazy, fat cats by most working Americans, whether in unions or not?
If they are going to operate in this dangerous and vicious campaign mode even before the new administration is sworn in, we have to responde very strongly. We have to spread message of what this means about the GOP’s opinion of people who actually do useful work for a living (as opposed to multi-billionaire financial suits).
Digg it
GOP will oppose social security reform and health care reform. So that means that Toyota and Honda and Nissan will be in same shape in 20 years that GM is now, with regard to total labor share of their costs.
Union members should be banging on the doors of these fuckers tonight and tomorrow morning. Protest outside these union busters homes when they go home for the holidays. Set up camps in their yards with bonfires to stay warm.
If these families can not celebrate the holidays then either should their alleged Reps
Wall Street corporate welfare fat cats rode out of D.C. with their pockets filled with $$$$$..auto workers get their asses kicked
Stabenow is doing a good job…!
Which way is Voinovich going? If he votes against this I suggest folks in Ohio get his address and camp outside of his home when he goes home for the holidays. Anyone here from Ohio?
gonna be interesting to watch Lugar too.
republican or Hoosier, Dick?
If Voinovich votes for against giving the Auto industry this $$ I would say he is hell bent on the Republicans losing his seat when it comes up
And what diff would that make while economy is in depression? Faint comfort.
Jane I believe you are in D.C. Is anyone outside that building protesting?
The current lede at the NYT: Auto Suppliers Share Anxiety Over a Bailout
KY auto dealers are really pissed off at McConnell for telling them to drop dead — especially as he’d led them to believe Tuesday that he was their best buddy:
T00 little too late.
They never saw it coming.
Huh?
The Kentucky car dealers. They thought that Mitch was their bestest buddy ever.
Double heh
I see that some of the asshole Republicans in the Senate are demanding that the auto workers accept the notion of pay parity with other manufacturing industries. Funny– I don’t recall them making the same demands of workers in the financial services sector when they were passing the $700 billion bailout deal.
Olbermann pointed out tonight that UAW workers would have to get a raise to reach parity with the foreign auto-makers workers…
Exactly.
Biden can still vote, can’t he?
Bwahahahahaha. Thanks for the comic relief.
How about Obama and Biden?
Obama resigned his senate seat. Did Biden?
The asshole South Carolina governor was on Scarborough this morning. And as you might expect, against the bailout. I emailed msnbc to say it looked like he was in favor of Toyotas, Nissans and Hyundais running NASCAR rather than Fords and Chevys, and what, did he suppose, his constituents might think about that.
Ok, parity. This being a democracy and all, let’s broaden the field of peers and talk congressional benefits.
The Dem leadership are either corrupt or gutless or both.
As an aside, the more I learn about her and hear her speak, the more I am impressed with Prof. Elizabeth Warren. I’d be most pleased if she were to assume a greater role in the administration. Perhaps car czar and then scotus if and when an opening occurs.
I’m going for ‘all of the above’.
From EW’s previous post (and apropos to this one):
From your keyboard to Bernanke’s and Paulson’s brains, EW.
Good on Stabenow for making the Defense point.
If this is another one of those non-filibuster filibuster cloture votes, I will be pissed off (again). Make the GOP stand up on their hind legs and and force them to make their case to the public.
The Senate is worthless and needs to be reformed. Effectively a super majority is required to do anything that it as at all controversial. That needs to stop.
Do you think there’s some way, if we pooled our money, we could buy Rove’s and Cheney’s little blackmail books, that then we’d be able to ‘persuade’ Dem senators to vote our way? These people seem to only respond to two things, bribery or blackmail.
Dude, me cash out even a penny right now!? No way. I will be lucky to ride this out. My new plan is to have the GOP Congressmembers committed for psychological observation before important votes. Someone here know how to do that?
That would be good if you could pull it off. Me, I agree with you, the Senate is for all practical purposes worthless. All the incumbents, or at least 95% of them anyway, should be voted out of office, at least that way we could start with a fresh bunch of crooks and liars.
I would have been happy this past November to have a bunch of incumbents voted out, Dems or Reps, I don’t care, they should both go. It might have put a scare into them.
The stock market will give them their grade tomorrow.
What is it about the south that is so full of hate?
Tester voted against?
He was wobbly.
Yeah not enough ranchers subsidized in Montana.(cough)
Just a few weeks ago McCain was all about the blue collar workers. What the fuck
shouldn’t Gramps be off somewhere watching the time clock tick down on his e-bay auctions?
Currently:
Hang Seng off 6.48%
Nikkei off 3.08%
Asia is beginning to slide.
What’s the score?
Two years is not that far away. Will Voinovich put the nail in the coffin for the Republicans in Ohio
Hope the Union workers end up on the lawns of their Reps who voted no for the holidays
Hi all. Just tuned in.
Is this bill any better than the house one? Same provisions for a monarch over the car industry who’s accountable to no one?
Just wait until they blame the collapse of all of American manufacturing on the “uppity” union.
This is about busting a lot more than just the UAW – it’s about taking down *all* of organized labor.
And the folks in DC (don’t fall for the canard there’s an effective difference between parties) actually have a great incentive to let exactly this happen. The country’s going to fall apart very soon (not just because of this, because capitalism as a whole is over as viable system), and rather than stand up and be accountable (we’ve seen over the years how much of that we can expect from any of our politicians), it’s very tempting to simply tell the country to blame the unions.
Far better for the pols that the citizenry to be hanging their fellow men than their leaders. It’s textbook divide and conquer.
Gonna be like Greece here soon. We’d better stand together when it happens.
I’m guessing we’re 53-45 or thereabouts. We’ve got Warner, some of the Maines, a few other Repubs. Don’t know how many Dems we got.
Corker voted yes, the fucker.
Corker, yes,
Did Corker just change his vote to yes?
yes. But isn’t this just the cloture vote, not the vote on the bill?
Right, but we need 60 for cloture and then probably only 51 for passage.
Does anyone know if Kennedy is there tonight?
So, Corker is a total weasel… right?
If this isn’t reversed, we have a better than even chance for a depression. And what is so ungodly irritating is that there were outs at practically every step along the way.
circular firing squad.
Lincoln, No.
The Walton family (anti labor) and her own crusade for and end to the estate tax will never subside.
supposed to be a democrat, right?
Bond changed to yes
Corker back to no…
RevDeb, No cloture. No vote on the bill.
I get that, but he can use the excuse that he’s not the one who killed it . . technically
I don’t think anyone is going to have an excuse they can hide behind on this one.
What are we voting for? The bill, or for cloture?
I think we should all, very publicly, threaten to boycott all foreign cars and stand in solidarity with the union workers.
What they call the U.S. Senate is nothing more than a giant circle jerk. “Esteemed colleagues” my ass.
I’ve been told that the more polite they’re being, the more adjectives they’re using in addressing each other, the more insulting they’re being. ‘My honorable colleague from the great state of …’ is apparently not the compliment it seems to be.
It’s all kabuki theater and poorly acted.
I think Corker just voted for the third time.
At this point, he’s 2 – 1 against?
Corker back to no. What an asshole.
Corker votes twice. Now it’s no.
Coker changed his vote again, or was there a mistake recording it?
No.
Bond first voted no, then came back and switched to yes, immediately followed by Corker’s switch back to no.
Bond has some very worried auto plant workers (and parts suppliers) in Missouri, and I think he was looking for a little cover so that he doesn’t have to face their anger over Christmas. Corker gave it to him.
Off Topic, and left downstairs:
It’s a full moon, and it’s been a rough day.
Between Shelby and Blago, Corker and McConnell, then Bush the Reluctant and DeMint, and Vitter and all the other dumbfucks, I need a drink. Perhaps a few are in order.
Me and the missus are headed to go see Tom Morello The Nightwatchman (former guitarist of Rage Against the Machine) at a local venue tonight.
Rage and rage, as it were. As Tom likes to yell, “Fight the Power!” I’m hoping Tom is in rare form tonight!
There was an AP article yesterday that featured Morello, you may have seen it. He and other musicians (including the guy that wrote the Barney song) are protesting their music being used to torture detainees at Guantanamo.
Here’s the link:
Barney and Sesame Street used to torture people makes me sick
Reid – no.
It’s over.
Did Reid just change his vote to no to revive it again later?
My understanding is that if the Majority Leader votes against his own bill, it can then be brought back at a later date.
I could be wrong.
Yes.
To bring a bill back up for reconsideration, someone who voted with the majority has to make the motion to reconsider. Thus, you often see the democratic and republican leaders voting oddly, to allow them to do this if circumstances change.
Via Bloomberg News:
Dow Futures: down 4.79% and falling further.
NASDAQ Futures: down 4.75% and falling further.
S&P Futures: down 4.70% and falling further.
Reid should have this running on a widescreen in the well of the Senate.
Even after the credit crisis is over, the U.S. will still have to address the ill-conceived Bush structural budget deficit (a much larger fiscal problem than any Social Security Insurance shortfall, and about the same size as the Medicare shortfall).
$2 Trillion on loans needed to keep doors open. Woolworht to close all 813 stores. Destroy the American auto industry to boot..thsy have so many peripheral industries that a shock wave will hit main street.
Fuck these arrogant Reps who voted NO…Union workers should get the list and camp on their fucking rich fat cat lawns.
What were the final numbers? My sound cut out at the wrong moment.
I heard 52-35.
Thanks.
As I paraphrased DeMintia earlier: I’m not trying to get rid of the Senate, but I am saying that they appear to be an antiquated concept in today’s economy.
Reid’s concern is “how we look”
Weak ineffective and full of wind
He should have worried about that a lot earlier in the session. For the last several months, they’ve looked like piles of sh*t. Well-aged and visited by many pigeons.
what can we do on Friday to protest this outrage?
This will be the first depression in US history that our Senate voted for.
Hold the 35 traitors accountable. Let them suffer the just fate of all traitors.
What now?
Are there any protesters outside that building does anyone know?
it’s time for the auto workers to drive their cars and trucks to DC and just park them in the middle of the streets and walk away. Fill all of the streets so nothing moves. Period. It would be symbolic of what the Rethugs are doing.
RevDeb, I’d love to see you post that idea at the Ox. Perfect.
I think it’s what truck drivers did in France or Italy or some other European country not long ago.
What this country needs is a general strike.
Shut it down.
I am certainly willing to fill up a couple of tanks.
SEND AN AUTO WORKER TO D.C.
Let the dealers drive cars from the lots that they can’t sell and park them in DC too. They’re parking them in the ports, why not in front of the Capitol?
Or in front of their Senators homes in their home states.
When do these mostly rich white guys leave town?
The official class warfare has been joined.
Workers of the world unit!
You have nothing to lose but the tyranny and oppression of the Republican Party.
who all were among the Democratic traitors?
Reid says that they have been through 95 filibusters. What nonsense. They have been through 95 supermajority votes.
No more concurrent business. You want to filibuster, you want to get up on your hind leges, dressed up in your old rich corrupt white man’s suit, and explain yourself to the Senate and the public.
I usually don’t watch this stuff, but Reid does not wear well. Not strong enough to lead, either when he has the votes and when he does not. Hope Senate gets a new Democratic leader soon.
with pajamas and all-nighters!
what’s with reid’s speechifying and thanking the capitol cops?
Currently
Hang Seng now down 5.95%
Nikkei down 5.28%
Toyota down 11+% and all the rest of the Japanese manufacturers are falling suit.
But foreign auto makers are receiving loans from THEIR governments. Volvo and Saab in Sweden today.
But as someone on Bloomberg News stated, the foreign car manufacturers here in the US abso-fookin’-lutely depend on the very same parts suppliers that will fail along with the Big 2.5.
Doesn’t matter if they’re getting money from their governments if they aren’t any parts suppliers here in the US.
More mass transit in the future, if there is a future.
and their governments pay for their health care and I believe pensions
Rethug Senators better look to their portfolios soon as they leave the building.
Boxer is talking like a leader.
yes she is
Anyone have the list of 33 no votes?
http://www.senate.gov/pagelayo…../votes.htm
700 billion to Wall Street..O to the auto industry. It is all very clear very clear.
Calling Czar Paulson Calling Hank Paulson
Boxer “shocking”
Maybe she should be the next majority leader. Or the next majority whip, since I hear the Senate is bigger on seniority than merit.
Boxer arguing Paulson should cough up the money
Boxer for Majority Leader?
The oncoming depression could well turn the U.S. to the left and a new progressive radicalism. It’s that or fascism.
‘Let them eat hot dog buns’?
Works for me.
Tomorrow, I’m thinking, is going to be a very nasty day on Wall Street.
So, “the greatest deliberative body in the world” gave away the store irresponsibly because that old hack Paulson skeeered them. Now they irresponsibly deny US auto makers a bridge loan to get through a crisis that is IN PART, CAUSED by the irresponsible Paulson bailout bill.
Disgusted.
Yeah, Boxer! Reid should talk like that.
Boxer: “I would yield the floor with a heavy heart. But I know that the future is going to be much brighter, much better.”
I’m glad she’s my Senator.
Durbin speaking harshly of the auto industry management
Well, another interesting experiment for economists over next two months. But, some experiments are best left undone.
If GM and Chrysler do go to the brink before Jan 20, it will be interesting to see what Paulson does.
Bernanke is setting up Fed to give direct loans to business. If he decided to act, that would be interesting. I think Bernanke also just blew off the debt limit.
He sent a letter to Dodd earlier this week saying that the Fed would not help the auto companies out. I have a link toward the end of item 87 of my scandals list. Or you can look it up at Bloomberg’s.
OK, I didn’t know about that letter. Thanks for the info. Too bad.
I’m waiting for a Rethug to get up and blame it on the union
This isn’t just the Republicans’ doing. Just like the past 8 years, the Democrats are completely complicit, they just let the R’s take the lead.
We can no longer afford to fall for the trick that they’re different.
I agree. Nader was right 8 years ago when he said there wasn’t a dime’s worth of difference between the 2 parties. They do not represent “people” but “class.”
Credit where credit is due (in this session of bashing Southern Senators): the “dime’s worth of difference” observation isn’t originally attributable to 2000 third-party Presidential candidate Ralph Nader, but 1968’s George Wallace.
Durbin giving a good speech, and making a central point right now.
Getting to the brass tacks on war on labor.
Good for Boxer and Durbin.
Durbin good on GOP’s war on ALL labor. Hope Boxer and Durbin speeches get some attention and press.
European exchanges will be opening in about 3 1/2 hours. It’s about 5:30 in Paris and 4:30 in London. And their exchanges open at 9 and 8 respectively.
The Republicans in the Senate have done what al Quiada could only dream of.
How about auto parts suppliers with accounts receivable from Ford/GM/Chrysler submit them to Paulson?
Spector covering his lilly white ass
how did he vote?
no
Specter “blah blah blah
And on the NYT front page, the unions are accused as the cause of the bailout failure:
(My bold)
And as other TradeMed slavishly follow the NYT’s lead, expect much more TradeMed blame to fall on the unions.
No surprise coming from the Ass Press. Aptly named.
Marcy has a new one going upstairs
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