An New Kind of Intimidation

It seems that the former partner of Mike DeWine (DeWine is co-Chair of the McCain team in OH) is asking for the voter registration cards of everyone in Greene County, OH, who voted during golden week:

Greene County Sheriff Gene Fischer and representatives of County Prosecutor Stephen Haller have contacted the local Board of Elections asking for the voter registration cards of everyone who voted during the six-day window, which ended Monday.

But I’m sure Sheriff Gene Fischer has a good reason to do this, honest. 

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    • emptywheel says:

      I want to know where the fuck COnyers is on this. He needs to haul Mukasey and his voting rights people into Congress and make him sit there and provide either an explanation for all teh SHIT that clearly violates DOJ guidelines.

      Or show an investigation plan into the fraud here.

  1. Arbusto says:

    God what clods! What’s the basis of the request and why in the hell are they acting so fast. Land of the free indeed.

    • emptywheel says:

      Dunno. I can imagine they’re claiming there was vote fraud–but is this the way to investigate it? I guess maybe they’re going to call everyone of the people who voted early to see if they’re who they think they are?

      I have no clue–but it stinks to high hell.

  2. Hmmm says:

    Asking for the voter reg cards? Or else he’ll do what exactly? I mean it’s fuckery, no doubt — the question is, how foul that fuckery?

  3. Sara says:

    Interesting County — The County Seat of Greene is Xenia.

    Two major Historic Black Colleges are located in Green County, Central State University, which is Ohio’s Black Land Grant Institution, and Wilberforce University and Seminary, which was founded by the AME — African Methodist Episcopal Church back about 1845 or so. A former congressman from NYC is the current President of Wilberforce.

    I can well imagine that Xenia saw lots of youthful voters during the early voting window last week, that ended this Monday.

    A few miles outside Xenia, but still in Greene Country is Cedarville College, an Evangelical (I think Baptist) school with whom the DeVines have a very close connection — I believe both the former Senator and his brother are graduates. Cedarville is much older, but has close links with Falwell’s Liberty University and Robertson’s college operations. Lots of Cedarville students go on to study law at Regent’s. Lots of old connections with Blackwell’s operations in Ohio.

    A year ago there would have been another college, with which I have some familarity, but Antioch is out of business for the time being, though apparently very soon we alumni are to become the proud owners of our old campus and our endowment. Get to start over again.

    • emptywheel says:

      Ah, didn’t know that, Sara, thanks, as always.

      I was trying to figure why they’d target Greene County. Now it makes more sense.

      It’s probably a beta test for a larger challenge of golden week voters.

      • earlofhuntingdon says:

        I think the notion of a beta test, with statewide or key-county contests to come later, is a sound one. Ohio will be a swing state once again. Dems control the governor’s mansion and the SecState’s office, unlike 2006, when Mike DeWine was tossed out on his ear in favor of progressive Senator Sherrod Brown. The GOP’ers will have to attack votes from the outside this election, rather than from the inside, which means discovery and litigation.

        Ohio has several counties with large college populations. Several are traditionally Democratic leaning, such as Cleveland, Columbus and Toledo, but they also more contested areas, Youngstown, Akron/Canton, Bowling Green, Springfield, Athens, Dayton and Cincinnati. Lots of votes, college kids, union and non-union labor, migrant and non-migrant farm labor. Several of those cities, Cleveland foremost, have seen unprecedented levels of home mortgage foreclosures, too, which the GOP, despite its protests in MI, is sure to use in order to contest voter registrations.

        Things to test would include coordination among local GOP and GOP-following organizations, staff expertise, PR management, legal arguments, claims and “discovery” techniques, and responses to the foregoing from county and state officials. I’m sure John Boehner, too, in lieu of Ken Blackwell, has been charged with “delivering” his state for the cause.

        I hope the Dems and Obama have a good grass roots organization statewide; they’re gonna need it.

  4. earlofhuntingdon says:

    Ah, Mike DeWine, the former Senator who makes George Voinovich look like a raving liberal. Former prosecutor Mikey has persuaded a local sheriff to go snooping into an entire class of votes? I thought fishing season was over, Mikey. Guess he’s got nothing better to do than snarl at the people who turned him out of office. Besides, Ken Blackwell’s no longer around to carry his fishing gear for him. Funny, still looks brand new.

    • emptywheel says:

      Funny thing about the article (I’ve fixed the link) is that it doesn’t QUOTE anyone–it just says:

      Llyn McCoy, the county’s deputy elections director, informed the legal staff of state elections chief Jennifer Brunner of the records request in an e-mail Wednesday.

      And makes the connection between Fischer and DeWine. I’m guessing it came from either McCoy or–more likely–someone in Brunner’s office, though I’m surprised it doesn’t include a quote from Brunner.

      So who got this story out?

      • earlofhuntingdon says:

        An obvious issue that others have raised is whether the request has been routed to the correct officials, and whether they will tell Mike DeWine’s surrogates “No”, you’re not entitled to this information, at least not via the arguments you’ve used and in the manner you’ve done so.

        No doubt, the state GOP organization, which Mike DeWine retains considerable influence over, is testing the castle’s defenses, looking for weak spots, possibly through informal cooperation from GOP-leaning county officials, recognizing that state officials are both Democrats and keen to keep to the letter and spirit of the law after the abuses of Ken Blackwell’s “stewardship”.

  5. bobschacht says:

    Greene County Sheriff Gene Fischer and representatives of County Prosecutor Stephen Haller have contacted the local Board of Elections asking for the voter registration cards of everyone who voted during the six-day window, which ended Monday.

    These are cards held by the local BOE? Presumably they make their voting rolls based on these cards? Or do they have all the info on a computer database?

    This is such an extraordinary request. It is hard to see any justification for it. If I were the BOE, I would tell Fischer & Haller, “See you in court,” and keep those cards under lock and key.

    Why are they asking *now*, only a few weeks before the elections? This just stinks.

    Bob in HI

    • emptywheel says:

      The article is actually unclear whether they’re asking for the cards of everyone who voted, or just those who registered and voted at the same time. For the former, there wouldn’t have been voter reg cards before last week.

      Remember, the OH GOP went to court to try to prevent golden week, so they may be trying to prove golden week votes are inherently prone to corruption.

      And of course, it’s interesting they’re doing it in a less-democratic county (I’m guessing, but maybe Sara or klynn or Leen will fill me in).

      • Sara says:

        “And of course, it’s interesting they’re doing it in a less-democratic county (I’m guessing, but maybe Sara or klynn or Leen will fill me in).”

        Greene County as a whole is rock-ribbed Republican, Taft Republican meaning less Robert Taft of the 1940’s, but William Howard, his daddy.

        But the two Historic Black Colleges, which are very different from each other, make for a most interesting mix. Up till recent decades, the Wilberforce types were Lincoln Republicans — voting the same as the rest of the County. It was only with JFK, and to a greater extent the LBJ Great Society times, that things began to shift, with the Wilberforce Class dipping their feet into Democratic Party Politics. Central State is a big public college, it has lots of Fraternities and Sororities, and has something of a reputation as a semi-party school. Wilberforce, in contrast is pretty sober, and above all, more upper class and pious. Wilberforce also has lots of foreign students studying for the AME ministry.

        Xenia and Yellow Springs — 9 miles to the north of Xenia — were important stops on the Underground Railroad before the Civil War, and around Greene County there are a number of Black Farmers who have passed their land down over a number of generations. Both Colleges are parts of a network or web of middle class black professionals that dates way back, and that includes many of these farm families as well as the College staffs. Historically there has been virtually no relationship between these two groups in the county. Up till the early 60’s, all of the public accomodations in Xenia were rigidly segregated. (Something I know about having participated in a non-violent action against the roller skating rink and the best restaurant in town — a Greek place across from the Court House in Xenia in 1962).

        There is a new population in Western Greene County over the past few decades, Developments, including McMansions housing military contractors and some Military Personnel at Wright-Patterson Airforce Base between Dayton and Fairborne. WPAFB is a critical part of the Airforce research and Procurement operation — it has planes, yes, but it is not a base for training pilots and the like. That side of the country tends very Republican, but the people are not likely to be natives of Ohio.

        It is all lots of interesting contrasts. The Black Blacksmith in Yellow Springs back at the turn of the 20th century died at a very old age, long after his wife died — and the women of Yellow Springs organized sending him home cooked meals for years. So when he died, he left his estate (which was fairly large) to them — if you are a single woman or a widow in YSO and over 65, every Xmas you get Yeast, Ten Lbs of Sugar, and Ten Lbs of Flour — and they still have the money to purchase and made the deliveries. It is a most interesting County.

        • klynn says:

          Sara,

          Great job on the history…One item…

          Young’s Jersey Dairy…

          Of course there is that Regent like institution, Cedarville college…

        • Leen says:

          Great history over view. Many many visits to Youngs dairy. The contrast of the Antioch students and the locals was always a feast for the eyes and mind.

          That area is such an interesting mix of people. On the WPAFB part. I have
          four retired uncles who were engineers/not sure of the titles at WPAFB. One of them actually did work on in flight refueling with pilots. These uncles are all in their late 70’s early 80’s. (just able to talk about some their work at the base) They were all against the invasion of Iraq.

          My cousin Barb Roberts who has been the director of American Friends in Dayton for going on 30 some odd years would stand outside of the base gates (I went to D.C. like most of us) protesting the Vietnam war as our relatives would drive into the place for work
          http://groups.google.com/group…..a2d13c9f24

      • Leen says:

        http://www.baynews9.com/conten…..90418.html

        “Miller said voter registration forms are public records and the sheriff _ and any other member of the public _ is entitled to the information. He said Fischer wanted to submit his request at least 21 days before the election, because Ohio law gives election boards a reprieve from filling records request during the three weeks prior to an election.”

        Ew/all. Heard this yesterday on the radio as I was driving from the Obama event in Dayton (went with 81 year old mother) to the Obama event in Portsmouth,Ohio (on the Ohio River across from Kentucky)

        …sounds like I could as a citizen make a records request in Cincinnati or another Republican hub and make a records request if I am reading this correctly.

  6. FrankProbst says:

    Hmmm. My eyebrows are up, but I have to say that this really doesn’t bother me all that much. I would assume that the Board of Elections has copies of the voter registration cards, seeing as how they should have been the ones who issued them in the first place, no? My suspicion is that the Republicans are worried that people who go to the historically black colleges are registered to vote in Greene County, and they’re going to try to toss those votes by arguing that these voters don’t “really” live in Greene County.

    This shouldn’t be an issue, as the law should be fairly clear on WHERE you can register to vote. If college students can register at their university address, there’s no issue. (I’m assuming that they can. bmaz, can you clarify?) And if I were a college student from New York or Texas or some other state where my vote doesn’t really count, and I went to school in Ohio, then I’d register to vote in Ohio, where my vote DOES count.

    My take on the whole thing: It’s a PR ploy by the Republicans to claim that black people who aren’t “real” Ohioans are “sneaking” into Ohio to vote for Obama. Good luck making that stick. And I PRs stunts go, I’d have a hard time coming up with one that wouldn’t be more likely to unite an entire university against you. Hope you’re ready for a sit-in, Mister Sheriff!

  7. Sara says:

    Ohio has bi-partisian County Boards of Elections, but they have to follow proceedures laid down by the Secretary of State, who is now a Democrat. She was interviewed today on “Talk of the Nation” and a number of callers raised issues about voter fraud, all of which she answered pretty clearly. The program was live from an assembly at Ohio University in Athens, not anywhere near Greene County. But one did raise the possibility that students had voted immediately after registering last week, might also be registered in their home state, and vote absentee there. She pointed out that Ohio had no compacts with other states to cross check voter rolls, but they could check internal Ohio rolls.

    Anyhow the sheriff should have nothing to do with this sort of issue, if there is a problem, it should be raised with the local Elections Board and the Secretary of State.

    Xenia was one of the locations in Ohio that had hours long lines in 2004, particularly in the precinct just outside the city lines where Central State and Wilberforce are located. They have never opted to be included in Xenia — instead they have long been incorporated as Wilberforce, for reasons it is not all that hard to guess. The town of Wilberforce is interesting — most of the houses are 19th century, bungalows with wide verandas all around, very southern. Wilberforce attracts large numbers of retired AME clergy and Bishops from all over the world — AME has major missions in Africa. Also, some of the black decendents of Thomas Jefferson live in Wilberforce, and apparently have for more than a century.

    I think the former congressman connected with Wilberforce is Floyd Flake — and he is very close to the former congressman from Philly, Bill Gray, who heads the National Negro College Fund. Flake and Gray are close to Conyers — so if there are any problems, there are a few significant people who should be involved.

    I suspect raising this issue is a tactic to get the dander up of some of the potential Obama voters in Ohio who are putting their racial misgivings to the side and thinking of voting their own economic interests. It needs to be resolved with “Obama Cool” and I think that is up to the Sec. of State.

  8. Hmmm says:

    Might be a beta test or might be the real deal. In the exceedingly, exceedingly unlikely event that I were attacking golden-week-registered votes, I would get a whole bunch of my plants to fraudulently register in a way not traceable back to themselves, then audit golden week registrations, and of course find the many many frauds that I caused to have planted, and finally use the high fraud rate to justify a legal challenge to the entire class of ballots cast by golden-week-registered voters. Once it works you’ve got a precedent and it spreads like wildfire on a per-jurisdiction basis.

    (BTW Golden Week in Japan is usually the first week of May, when the school & work year starts and there is an awful lot of milestone/achievement oriented ceremony.)

    • klynn says:

      Actually, there is an Ohio Republican website that stated they did just that. I’ll try to find it again and link to it.

    • klynn says:

      I might add that from a census perspective, Green county is almost a mini reflection of Ohio census stats. It would be the county I would pick for a beta test.

  9. Sara says:

    Yep — Young’s. Just outside YSO, it has some of the best Ice Cream anywhere in the whole wide world — and you can pet the fat Jersey’s as you lick your cone, but it is the bulls eye of support for the Pro-Life Crazy Folk. Every cone you lick puts money into the anti-abortion movement. Antiochians always had a terrible problem with Young’s — whether to throw up a picket line, or put scruples in the back pocket, and go enjoy the Dairy. For those who have never enjoyed this corner of Ohio — Young’s is about 8 miles south of Springfield on Route #68, it is a working Dairy Farm, Ice Cream Factory, and has a small amusement park for the kids. You can watch the milking, and the ice cream making and they always have animals in the petting zoo. The Butter Fat Content of the Ice Cream would send Cheney to Hell. The Republicans always use it as a back-drop for campaigns — I think McCain and Huckabee both had events there this year. They have a whole gallery of pictures of candidates who have stopped and licked.

    Back in my Antioch Days, the place was suspicious because of its connections to McCarthyism, and to the Right Wing paper in YSO that lasted for a couple of years, and tried to connect every Antiochian to some sort of Soviet Conspiracy.

  10. earlofhuntingdon says:

    One thing that should be clear. Mike DeWine in Ohio and the GOP nationally are not fighting to count every legitimately cast vote. They are fighting not to count as many as possible that might be cast for a Democrat.

    As pointed out above, the county sheriff typically has no role in overseeing the proper registration of voters and the proper casting of ballots. That’s the function of county and state election officials. Even if he did, the article indicates no probable cause to suspect criminal acts that should precede the start of any “investigation”. This is fishing expedition, the trawling for data, ostensibly for voting patterns, but more likely to intimidate both voters and under-trained, under-staffed and overworked election officials. Among other things, absent probable cause reasonably to suspect a crime has already occurred, responding to this request is not an out-of-pocket cost or use of staff time that Ohio election officials should bear.

    Mike DeWine enforcing voter rights is like your health insurer enforcing your medical insurance contract. There’s an inherent conflict of interest. The insurer prospers only when you don’t take advantage of your right to health care and reimbursement for its costs. In today’s polity, economy and society, Republicans prosper when you don’t examine whether the GOP has enhanced the resources needed by your community or those needed by its wealthiest members. It has chosen to prosper by dividing, by exacerbating racial or economic tensions, rather than promoting the interests we have in common. There’s an alternative, but you’ll have to fight for it.

    It’ll be interesting to see where Sheriff Fischer parks his county patrol cars on election night: outside polling booths frequented by students and farm or factory laborers, or outside those next to the country clubs.

    • Leen says:

      If I am understanding this correctly a citizen or an official asking for request is standard but a request coming from a county sheriff or a law enforcement official is out of line?

      • earlofhuntingdon says:

        No, Mr. Fischer, as a citizen and interested voter, could make such a request without comment. Mr. Fischer’s request, as county sheriff, however, carries the weight of the law and the power of the state.

        To make such a request so near a national election conveys the implication of serious wrongdoing or a material malfunction in the state’s machinery of voting, putting the results of the election into question. So would such a request by the local USA or from Main Justice.

        Given the article’s explicit lack of specific questions about wrongdoing or faults in the machinery of voting, the request is clearly partisan. It appears to be another bite at the apple from Republicans who feel they deserve one, having lost their original legal challenge to Golden Week registration/voting.

        “Lots” of voices may have called or e-mailed the sheriff to complain, but that does not mean they were from Ohioans or that the complaints were founded on reasonable suspicions. They might as well have been complaints about crop circles in the sheriff’s yard, somehow made in two inch-high Kentucky blue grass instead of fields of wheat. That doesn’t support his request, as the county’s chief law enforcement officer, to “round up the usual suspects” via taking a peek at the information on their confidential voter registration cards.

        • Leen says:

          So one would assume that the Sheriff would have to have tapes of those phone call complaints and those e-mails.

    • Leen says:

      This has me thinking about someone stationed to video Sheriff Fisher or the precincts in that area on election day or the Board of Elections in that vicinity before then.

      Anyone in the neighborhood of Sheriff Fisher interested?
      Video the Vote

      http://www.videothevote.org/

  11. Sara says:

    There is a new more informative article about all this — appeared in my mail from a good observant Antiochian, on the ground in YSO.

    See: http://www.ohio.com/news/ap?ar…..4&c=y

    It is interesting how the notion of “Preventitive War” and the use of Law Enforcement less to actually investigate real crimes than to prevent potential crimes, has migrated into the actions of the Greene Country Sheriff assuming he has a function in preventing ‘voter fraud’.

    At any rate, given the article it is clear that he does not have any cause of action for obtaining the data he has requested — and the Sec. of State and the Greene County Elections Commission are on the same page here. As with many FOIA requests, he will get blanked out copies — unless he has probable cause and can get a judge to issue a subpoena.

    Anyhow, given this article, it appears the response is what I am calling “Obama Cool.”

    • earlofhuntingdon says:

      That’s a good article, fuller than the original, and your observation is trenchant: the GOP is determined to import into domestic politics the new and improved, the rehabilitated and sanitized tools and attitudes of “preventive war”. Something we used to call abusive, illegal war of aggression.

      It’s something an Obama administration should commit itself to fight, because the GOP is committed to it across the board. Rather like he should cast a more honest and informed eye on the bald notion that domestic spying powers will only be used to fight terrorism, and not to win bets, excite bored NSA listeners, or enhance the political “dirt” in the files of the director of the FBI.

  12. Leen says:

    What a great project for a student at one of the colleges in that region to investigate. Just what are Dewine’s intentions here? I would really like to witness a records request of an area in the Cincinnati region.

    http://www.co.greene.oh.us/BOE/
    651 Dayton-Xenia Road
    Xenia, Ohio 45385
    Office Hrs Mon-Fri – 8:00 am – 4:30 pm
    Phone: (937) 562-7470 or
    (937) 426-1779 ext. 7470
    Fax: (937) 562-7477

    The next meeting of the Greene County Board of Elections will be held on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 4:00 p.m. The public logic and accuracy testing of the voting equipment will be held at this time. All meetings are held at the Board office located at 651 Dayton-Xenia Road, Xenia, Ohio.

    • Sara says:

      “What a great project for a student at one of the colleges in that region to investigate. Just what are Dewine’s intentions here? I would really like to witness a records request of an area in the Cincinnati region.”

      Hey Leen, I took a peek at the Greene Co.Board of Elections link, and who should be on that board — the son of one of my favorite Professors — Don Hollister. His Dad Barry, died a couple years back, but he was Political Science Professor at Antioch — More of an International Relations sort than an American Government and Politics type, but a good soul, and a weighty Friend in Yellow Springs Meeting. Barry Hollister took leave from Antioch during the 70’s and established the Friends (Quaker) International Mission at the UN — and along with one of our History Professors, made and then pushed the nomination of Jimmy Carter for his Nobel Peace Prize. (Barry Hollister and Irvin Abrams worked in the British and American Friends Post WWII projects in Europe, and were the survivors of the team of American Quakers who had won the Peace Prize in 1947. Former winners are given great weight in nominations, so while it took them ten years, they carried Jimmy Carter on to Oslo. (It is a not so secert Quaker conspiracy to negotiate peace in the Middle East, and Jimmy did a third of the necessary deal with Egypt. — thus his prize.)

      Anyhow, Don should be a very level headed and above all “Fair” member of the BoE in Xenia, he follows in his father’s tradition of being a strong resolver of conflicts. Funny, I was just thinking of Barry Hollister this morning when they announced this year’s Nobel Peace Prize winner. Listening to him describe the high politics of a nomination and a successful very under the covers campaign was very revealing. I am pretty certain Don Hollister would be one of the Democrats on that board. He ran a couple of times for County Commission, which is a non-partisian election, but always ID’ed with Democrats.

      • Leen says:

        Great connections hope you suggest the idea. I attended the “last” graduation at Antioch this spring felt like I was at a funeral. Antioch will come back right? Spent a great deal of time hiking in the Glen while I was in Dayton this winter taking care of ailing step dad. Great to be back in the Glen

        Check out this angle on what is taking place with Dewine/Ohio/shaving off votes.
        http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2…..hio-judge-
        issues-tro-against-ohio-secretary-of-state/

      • Leen says:

        Thanks for mentioning Friends. One of my 29 first cousins (you know those Catholics) in Dayton has been the director of the Friends in Dayton for at least 3o some years. She might have an idea about encouraging some local watching investigation of Dewine, the Sheriff etc.

  13. Sara says:

    I actually watched the Antioch Graduation this year, streamed on the net — and yes it was very very sad.

    Will we come back — plans are afoot. The Board of the University has agreed to “convey” the campus to the Alumni, and the Alumni Association has been busy organizing a new Board of Trustees, and under the sponsorship of the Great Lakes Consortium, negotiations on the $$$$$$$ are underway. There is a conference at Earlham this month focused on long term planning, envisioning the 21st Century Antioch, which hopefully will come up with a master plan. Quite soon all 17 thousand of us Antiochians may become the “owners” of a down at the heels campus, about 50 million in working Capital, and one hell of a tradition. As you can imagine, there are 17 thousand of us somewhere in the world, and 17 thousand ideas of how to recreate the place. But it is going to be hard to accomplish. First step will be to hire a President who can deal with “the culture”, can raise money, and has the strong program development and administrative skills to put what needs to be put back together, but also can focus everyone on common goals. Then we need an agreed master plan benchmarket to available finance, and with time-lines. A Faculty needs planning and hiring — and a curriculum developed in association with a probable new faculty. But moving on this is underway. I suspect about 2010-11 Antioch will be ready to admit new students.

    I was elected to two terms on the Alumni Association Board between the late 80’s and 90’s, so made many trips to YSO gradually watching the decline of the College, and the failure of leaders to deal with reality. So I was not surprised with the closing, but that doesn’t mean I was not very sad about it. There are about a hundred of us in Minnesota, and we have another meeting scheduled for Early November.

    Anyhow, while I was driving down for all those Alumni Association Meetings, I also visited around Kettering and Dayton, trying to get a full picture of things. I am from the generation of Antiochians who were more beat or bohemian, Pre-Hippy, and certainly not the Pierced Generation — but the distance between Kettering and YSO was always huge.

    I think I have met your cousin, Barbara Roberts. I went with Barry Hollister to an AFSC meeting in the late 80’s when I was in YSO for another meeting. I was fairly involved with AFSC back in the 60’s, just leaving YSO about the time the Dayton Office was established. But yes, AFSC would be a good group to do some “observing” of election details. (Except the Pentagon and Homeland Security have them on various “lists” and all — Driving to a Quaker Meeting is about like Driving while Black.)

    In the mid 60’s, as the SND’s were changing their ways, I took my former teacher and a couple of her friends to YSO for an afternoon — when they first could leave the convent for just enjoyment. We hiked out to the waterfalls in the Glen, had lunch, walked around campus, and then went to a play. The SND’s had been “told” the place was so subversive they really should be frightened of it — but I think what changed them was the Library. It was the Hippy Generation — so the scene was hundreds of hippies on chairs and even sprawled on the floor deep into the books, and a little pot being smoked on the steps out front. Sadly that kind of day was an “adventure” for them, at least as of that time.

    Anyhow, I still say it is interesting so many like minded and similarly experienced landed in this space in the blogosphere.