Rationalizing the Hospital Visit

As promised, I wanted to say a few more things about Murray Waas’ articles from yesterday. Murray reports two new details that weren’t in the IG report on Gonzales’ notes or in Barton Gellman’s reporting on the events of March 10, 2004. His first story adds to Gellman’s earlier report that George Bush was the one who called John Ashcroft’s hospital room to alert Mrs. Ashcroft that Gonzales and Andy Card were coming; Murray notes that Gonzales "recently" told federal investigators that Bush was the one who sent him to the hospital. Murray’s second story reveals that DOJ investigators are trying to determine whether, on Bush’s orders, Gonzales created a false record of the March 10, 2004 briefing of the Gang of Eight to justify Bush’s reauthorization of the warrantless wiretap program after Comey and Ashcroft refused to reauthorize it.

The Justice Department is investigating whether former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales created a set of fictitious notes so that President Bush would have a rationale for reauthorizing his warrantless eavesdropping program, according to sources close to the investigation.

[snip]

In reauthorizing the surveillance program over the objections of his own Justice Department, President Bush later claimed to have relied on notes made by Gonzales about a meeting that had taken place the day before (March 10), in which Gonzales and Vice President Cheney had met with eight congressional leaders—also known as the “Gang of Eight”—who receive briefings about covert intelligence programs. According to Gonzales’s notes, the congressional leaders had said in the meeting that they wanted the surveillance program to continue despite the attorney general’s refusal to certify that it was legal.

But four of the congressional leaders present at the meeting say that’s not true; they never encouraged the White House to sidestep the objections of the attorney general and continue the program without his approval.

I have no doubt that Gonzales fictionalized his notes so as to invent a rationale for reauthorizing the program in spite of Comey’s disapproval. But I think something else is going on, as well–a desire to invent a rationale for Gonzales and Card’s March 10 hospital visit itself.

What Gonzales Told the Senate

Consider, for example, how Gonzales responded to questions about the hospital visit during his July 24, 2007 testimony. One of his goals was to explain away his earlier claim that there had been no significant disagreement about the warrantless wiretap program (keep in mind, Gonzales is probably pretending that Bush only admitted the wiretapping within the US, but not the data mining that they used to target who would be tapped). 

SPECTER: First of all, Mr. Attorney General, what credibility is left for you when you say there’s no disagreement and you’re party to going to the hospital to see Attorney General Ashcroft under sedation to try to get him to approve the program?

GONZALES: The disagreement that occurred, and the reason for the visit to the hospital, Senator, was about other intelligence activities. It was not about the terrorist surveillance program that the president announced to the American people.

Now, I would like the opportunity…

SPECTER: Mr. Attorney General, do you expect us to believe that?

But when Specter pressures him on that issue, Gonzales pivots to introduce the Gang of Eight briefing, claiming that’s the context in which we have to understand the hospital confrontation. 

GONZALES: Well, may I have the opportunity to talk about another very important meeting in connection with the hospital visit that puts it into context?

It was an emergency meeting in the White House Situation Room that afternoon. It involved senior members of the administration and the bipartisan leadership of the Congress, both House and Senate, as well as the bipartisan leadership of the House and Senate Intel Committees, the gang of eight. [my emphasis]

It was only after claiming that the Gang of Eight meeting was the necessary context for the hospital confrontation that Gonzales stated that the entire purpose of the meeting was to inform Congress that Comey refused to approve the program. 

The purpose of that meeting was for the White House to advise the Congress that Mr. Comey had advised us that he could not approve the continuation of vitally important intelligence activities despite the repeated approvals during the past two years of the same activities.

The exchange between Specter and Gonzales moves away from the Gang of Eight meeting after this statement. But, as if on cue, Orrin Hatch then offers Gonzales the opportunity to expand on his earlier comments. 

HATCH: You may not have had a full opportunity to explain what happened the day of your hospital visit to Attorney General Ashcroft. So if you would, please finish your description of those events so we can all understand just what happened there.

GONZALES: The meeting that I was referring to occurred on the afternoon of March 10th, just hours before Andy Card and I went to the hospital. 

GONZALES: And the purpose of that meeting was to advise the gang of eight, the leadership of the Congress, that Mr. Comey had informed us that he would not approve the continuation of a very important intelligence activity despite the fact the department had repeatedly approved those activities over a period of over two years.

Note how Gonzales’ answer almost exactly repeats his earlier answer to Specter, as if it was a rehearsed talking point? From that talking point, Gonzales makes the allegedly perjurious claim that there was consensus among the Gang of Eight that the program should continue even though Comey did not agree. 

We informed the leadership that Mr. Comey felt the president did not have the authority to authorize these activities, and we were there asking for help, to ask for emergency legislation.

HATCH: Was Mr. Comey there during those two years?

GONZALES: He was not there during the entire time, no, sir.

HATCH: How much of that time?

GONZALES: I can’t recall now, Senator, when Jim Comey became the deputy attorney general.

The consensus in the room from the congressional leadership is that we should continue the activities, at least for now, despite the objections of Mr. Comey.

There was also consensus that it would be very, very difficult to obtain legislation without compromising this program, but that we should look for a way ahead.

It is for this reason that within a matter of hours Andy Card and I went to the hospital. We felt it important that the attorney general knew about the views and the recommendations of the congressional leadership, that as a former member of Congress and as someone who had authorized these activities for over two years that it might be important for him to hear this information.

That was the reason that Mr. Card and I went to the hospital

[snip]

And so I just wanted to put in context for this committee and the American people why Mr. Card and I went. It’s because we had an emergency meeting in the White House Situation Room, where the congressional leadership had told us, "Continue going forward with this very important intelligence activity." [my emphasis]

Then later, in a response to DiFi, Gonzales completes the ratoinalization, stating he just felt like John Ashcroft needed to know how Congress felt.

GONZALES: But, again, we went there because we thought it important for him to know where the congressional leadership was on this. We didn’t know whether or not he knew of Mr. Comey’s position and, if he did know, whether or not he agreed with it. 

How Gonzales’ Lies Relate to His Logic

So Gonzales’ talking points consist of the following:

  1. The purpose of the Gang of Eight meeting was to inform the leaders of Congress that Comey had refused to reauthorize a program that Ashcroft had authorized for two years.
  2. The purpose of the Gang of Eight meeting was also to see if Congress could pass emergency legislation to authorize the program.
  3. Congress had instructed the Administration to go forward with the program regardless of Comey’s objection.
  4. The purpose of the hospital visit was to inform Ashcroft that Congress had supported continuing the program.

To understand why I think the notes were intended to support this larger story, considering which parts of Gonzales story are alleged to be lies–and therefore presumably supported by any fictionalized notes he took.

Item 1, that the purpose of the meeting was to inform Congress that Comey refused to reauthorize the program, seems to be partly true. The WaPo reported that Congress was not informed of the legal underpinnings of the program.

The legal underpinnings of the program were never discussed, they said, but the congressional group raised no objections and agreed that the program should go forward, they said.

But Nancy Pelosi suggested that the Gang of Eight was informed of Comey’s objections, at least at some level.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California, who attended the 2004 White House meeting as House Democratic minority leader, said through a spokesman that she did not dispute that the majority of those present supported continuing the intelligence activity. But Ms. Pelosi said she dissented and supported Mr. Comey’s objections at the meeting, said the spokesman, Brendan Daly. 

Item 2 appears to be true in its entirety, at least according to Barton Gellman.

In fact, Cheney asked the lawmakers a question that came close to answering itself. Could the House and Senate amend surveillance laws without raising suspicions that a new program had been launched? The obvious reply became a new rationale for keeping Congress out. 

There seems to be some dispute over item 3: Pelosi suggests a "majority" supported the program going forward. Yet Jello Jay and Tom Daschle claim they were never asked whether the program should move forward.

Daschle said in a statement that he could not recall the meeting and is "quite certain that at no time did we encourage the AG or anyone else to take such actions." He added: "This appears to be another attempt to rewrite history."

Rockefeller said that lawmakers were never asked to give the program their approval and that administration officials’ infrequent briefings about it were short and involved "virtually no questions."

The truth may lie somewhere in between–that Pelosi raised objections to the program, but that the Gang of Eight was never formally asked whether or not the program should move forward.

Item 4, of course, is total bullshit, the one completely unsubstantiated story here. Had the Administration simply wanted to inform DOJ about Congress’ purported approval for the program to continue, they would have gone to Comey. Instead, they went to Ashcroft–because they were trying to bypass Comey altogether. In other words, the two underlying alleged lies–that they had explained Comey’s objections and that Congress had approved it moving foward anyway–provided an excuse for the bigger lie. Gonzales had to invent the "consensus" that the program should go forward to rationalize Bush’s authorization of the program. But he also had to invent it to provide some kind of explanation why he and Card would visit Ashcroft at the hospital.

Two More Reasons Why This Is about the Hospital Visit

There are two more reasons to believe that, if Gonzales created fictionalized notes, he did so at least partly to explain the hospital meeting.

First, the timing. Gonzales didn’t create these notes right after he and Bush authorized the program to move foward on Thursday March 11. Rather, Gonzales claims he created the notes over the weekend, after Bush learned on Friday March 12 that he might have mass resignations at DOJ on his hands. Not only didn’t Gonzales write the notes until there was a much greater risk of exposure, but he wrote them after it became clear that the Administration had a problem with Comey in particular. 

Also, the relationship between the notes and the hospital confrontation seems to explain George Terwilliger’s bizarre attack on Comey in his memo addressing the DOJ’s findings related to Gonzales’ improper treatment of classified information. 

The memo also takes a shot a Comey, who in Senate testimony last year described the hospital visit as an attempt by Gonzales and then-White House Chief of Staff Andy Card "to take advantage of a very sick man."

In the memo, Terwilliger calls such criticism "demonstrably hyper-inflated rhetoric without basis in fact." He says during the hospital visit Comey was "seeking to interpose himself between the president and a high-level official communication to his attorney general on a vital matter of national security."

Terwilliger’s attack doesn’t make sense on several levels. Obviously, he knows well that Comey was not interposing himself in the chain of command–Ashcroft wasn’t in the chaing of command on March 10; Comey was the acting Attorney General. Moreover, this memo was not supposed to have anything to do with the underlying investigation of whether Gonzales lied about the Gang of Eight meeting. Yet for some reason, Terwilliger focused on Comey in his response to it. And in doing so, Terwilliger closely repeats Gonzales’ larger fiction–that the hospital meeting was nothing ominous, but rather just the Administration’s efforts to keep Ashcroft informed. 

For some reason, Bush and Gonzales appear to be as worried about having to explain the hospital confrontation itself as they are at having to explain why Bush reauthorized the program after DOJ had told him it was not legally sound. I don’t entirely understand why that’s true–aside from perhaps a fear of being exposed. But it sure seems that if Gonzales did fabricate notes of the Gang of Eight meeting, he did so as much to hide the reasons for the hospital visit as to rationalize Bush’s reauthorization of the program itself.

Update: Terwilliger attack link fixed per WO. And grammar fixed per skdadl.

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  1. emptywheel says:

    Incidentally, this all explains one of the reasons why AGAG wouldn’t store these notes–and other materials–in the Command Center safe that was TS/SCI: because he didn’t want Comey to have access to them.

    • MadDog says:

      Thanks for that additional little bit. Some may think it unimportant, but I beg to differ.

      In addition to that “non-storage” in the DOJ Command Center’s SCIF, I think another repository for these “notes” also has importance.

      In preparation for Fredo’s appearance before Congress (his last?) and immediately prior to his escape resignation:

      According to Steven Bradbury, Principal Deputy Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel, Gonzales produced the notes to Bradbury and other Department officials on July 19, 2007, as they helped prepare Gonzales for his appearance before the Senate Judiciary Committee on July 24, 2007.

      Fredo again ensured that these “notes” would be hidden placed “out of sight” by handing them over to be hidden Steven Bradbury of the OLC:

      Gonzales also told us that while he did not recall bringing the notes either to his residence or from his residence to his office, he was certain that he had retrieved them from the safe by his office when he provided them to Bradbury.

      (My Bold)

      The OLC, instead of the nominally responsible component of the DOJ, the National Security Division!

      For folks who are unaware, the DOJ’s National Security Division is the component with the DOJ tasked to:

      – Provide legal representation and counsel to agencies within the Intelligence Community to ensure that they have the legal tools necessary to conduct intelligence operations;

      – Represent the United States before the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) to obtain authorization under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) for the United States government to conduct intelligence collection activities, such as electronic surveillance and physical searches;

      – Coordinate and supervise intelligence-related litigation matters, including evaluating and reviewing requests to use information collected under FISA in criminal and non-criminal proceedings and to disseminate FISA information; and

      – Serve, through the Assistant Attorney General for National Security, as the Department’s primary liaison to the Director of National Intelligence.

      (My Bold)

      Again, Fredo ensured that the DOJ’s National Security Division did not get their hands on become the repository on these “notes” whose subject matter would have been typically and entirely the legal responsibility of the NSD!

      And since EW had got me into a timing kind of mood, I thought I’d throw this curiosity out there for folks to chew on.

      Did Fredo get Fred Fielding – White House Counsel and the OLC’s Steven Bradbury to help cover up his crimes?

      As I described above, the OLC rather than the more appropriate NSD became the repository for these “notes”.

      In addition to that, here’s the curiosity:

      The OIG also interviewed two attorneys from the White House Counsel’s Office about the notes. The two attorneys told us that they reviewed the notes on July 24, 2007, immediately after several current and former congressional leaders publicly disputed the accuracy of Gonzales’s testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee earlier that day regarding their reactions to the March 10, 2004, White House meeting…

      …The two attorneys said that they and White House Counsel Fielding met with Gonzales on July 25, 2007, to discuss his handling of the notes…

      …Lastly, the White House attorneys’ notes state that Gonzales gave his original notes to Bradbury after Bradbury told him that the White House Counsel’s Office would be calling Bradbury about them, and because the Office of Legal Counsel already had in its possession many documents related to the NSA surveillance program.

      (My Bold)

      Why is that do you suppose? *g*

  2. skdadl says:

    Comey is one of the people I keep wishing would “interpose” himself more, but I guess he’s beyond doing that now. (Beautiful voice, too.)

  3. ExcuseMeExcuseMe says:

    EW
    Do you mean there may be more that Comey didn’t reveal (to those present) when he was (physically) AT the hospital, or do you think that since then there is more he didn’t reveal ABOUT the hospital visit?

    Thanks.

    • emptywheel says:

      More about the hospital visit–or it’s underlying background.

      Mostly, I’m trying to understand why AGAG would have invented the story about the hospital visit he appears to have–and it suggests the Administration is more fearful of the hospital visit than I’d think they’d be.

      • BoxTurtle says:

        Theory: That visit is the ONLY known BushCo action demonstrating actual illegality that took place in front of someone NOT BushCo, Mrs. Ashcroft.

        No executive privilege applies. No 5th amendment applies. The MOST that might apply is that she would have to give testimony in closed court. And she’s not happy with Card, Gonzo, or Bush so she might not forget as so many before her have.

        Boxturtle (If this explodes, look for BushCo to try to smear Mrs. Ashcroft)

  4. BoxTurtle says:

    What frosts me is that I know exactly what would have happened to someone NOT working for BushCo who handled SCI info like that. First, they would have lost their clearence on the spot and placed on paid leave. If their job required sci clearence, they were effectively fired.

    Criminal charges would be unlikely, unless the info was compromised.

    No way would a commoner get off with just an “Oopsie”.

    Boxturtle (Thinks Mrs. Ashcroft is entitled to b***hslap Gonzo on live TV)

  5. earlofhuntingdon says:

    “Informing” Ashcroft about Congress’s views about a controversial program was practically ineffective, because of his condition, legally unnecessary, because Comey as Acting AG, and not a relevant issue for an administration that regards Congress as its water carrier, not competent to allow onto the playing field of government. Erego, the visit was about something else.

    Ashcroft was weakened, drugged, and possibly non compos mentis; he’d had major surgery for a painful acute illness a few hours before the Gonzo-Card visit. He had delegated his authority to Comey. Both he and Comey had earlier refused to renew authorization for a controversial program, having finally had it reviewed by competent counsel in lieu of the execrable John Yoo.

    From Cheney-Addington’s perspective, Comey, as conservative as he was, was too professional and bound by his obligations as a lawyer and public official. Goldsmith, in reversing Yoo’s permission slip-legal advice, had put himself beyond the pale. That left Ashcroft, as wet as he was by neocon standards, as the only man standing between the White House and recognition of its serial felonious conduct.

    Subverting the government’s and its military’s chain of command is one of this administration’s defining characteristics; it’s a necessary lens in viewing the administration’s important actions. Subverting Comey’s authority, alienating from his support base, and buying a little time via a temporary re-authorization of “the program” were essential to Cheney-Addington’s bureaucratic warfare.

  6. WilliamOckham says:

    I’m wondering what Bush knew when he called Ashcroft in the hospital and what he knew when he told Gonzales to write up the notes. There’s no evidence about what he knew prior to the phone call. Bush was out campaigning most of the early part of that week. He wasn’t at the Congressional meeting.

    Cheney, Hayden, and Gonzales met with Congressional leaders. Card and Gonzales went to the hospital. In Gellman’s book (p. 303), he quotes Gonzales as telling Ashcroft that:

    We’ve acheived a legislative remediation that will address Justice’s concerns.

    The notes appear to be an effort to provide cover for that particular lie.

      • WilliamOckham says:

        At the hospital.

        Also, Gellman has a story about Goldsmith and Philbin delivering their version of events to Gonzales at his house after 11pm on Thursday. Gotta go out to dinner, but I’ll give more context later.

    • skdadl says:

      We’ve acheived a legislative remediation that will address Justice’s concerns.

      What an interesting sentence. If Gonzales said that in Comey’s presence, then on what grounds did Comey continue to hold his ground?

  7. sailmaker says:

    For some reason, Bush and Gonzales appear to be as worried about having to explain the hospital confrontation itself as they are at having to explain why Bush reauthorized the program after DOJ had told him it was not legally sound. I don’t entirely understand why that’s true–aside from perhaps a fear of being exposed. But it sure seems that if Gonzales did fabricate notes of the Gang of Eight meeting, he did so as much to hide the reasons for the hospital visit as to rationalize Bush’s reauthorization of the program itself.

    Maybe there is a simple/stupid reason for AGAG and Bush to be worried about the hospital visit?

    1) They knew they were going to ask a very very sick guy to authorize an illegal program without the actual Acting Attorney General knowing what was going on behind his back (he would not have known if Mrs. Aschroft had not called him (Comey))? She could have sued Bushco for causing a relapse/death with their visit.

    2) Bushco knew full well that they were going to the wrong guy – that at best it would be an illegal authorization if they received it because of the formal deputization of responsibility to Comey. I don’t know if the Executive Branch can declare that a cabinet minister can take back deputized authority whenever he wishes, to grant a say 5 minute hiatus from that deputization (probably unbeknownst to the deputy) to do an authorization.

    i suspect (not being a lawyer obviously) that if a normal person were so sick, had been known to not want to sign some document (say a last will), a judge might at least question the validity of the document, and the motivation of those people obtaining the signature.

    3) This happened in 2004, before the election. Bushco didn’t want this stuff known before the election. They had not figured out that the nation was somnambulantly following Bushco around, and would forgive him for not only for wiretapping illegally, but torture, extreme rendition, GITMO, and the rest of the abuses. When this DID get out, it was the tipping point for the rest of the abuses – some abuses were documented before December 2005 (when the wire tapping came out), but those early whistle blowers were looked at as outliers or conspriacy theorists. Plamegate was still in the grand jury state in March 2004, so – shorter me – Bushco had no idea how much they could get away with. Just a thought.

  8. JohnLopresti says:

    A few facets of the prior thread remain noteworthy in my reading, besides the current thread’s helpful chronicle. The other thread opened with an observation about a possible pattern elicited from the wiretap coverup as a template for the decisionmaking dynamics in the amorphous schemes to torture prisoners. As one commenter’s seeming joking tone characterized it, a truth lying between another few truths is about where Comey exercised his juridical knowledge and leadership.

    Another feature of the prior thread which sounded a critical alarum in my semi-professional sensibility was Waas’ characterization of Ashcroft’s physical condition as, something like, ‘…gravely ill for six days in a critical care unit bed…following [cholecystectomy]…’ The typical operation for a problem with that organ sends one home in three days or sooner, so the 6 day duration strongly indicates private personal medical problems way beyond the named procedure. Although it is credible, I suppose, that a dignitary would enjoy a critical care setting as an emolument based on his status and importance unrelated to the mundane nature of the operation. Admittedly, I have followed the biographic facts of both Ashcroft and his successor Gonzales with mild disinterest and ample imprecision. Yet, I believe the torture paradigms were a strong element which drove Ashcroft from office, after his having become tainted by authorizing torture and secret prisons. Gonzales seems the craftier of the two AGs. I think one of Comey’s prime assets was his record similar to Yoo’s of knowing the chinks in international law, given the nature of the attacks related more closely to those tenuous forms of privacy available in the murky world which reportedly exists outside the Geneva conventions on human rights. A corollary of this theory would be Comey kept as a font of knowledge about counterattacking against piracy, as well as, perhaps, for the purpose of contributing to a plan for incremental institution of martial law, had that eventuality become necessary. Ultimately the conflicts between punctilio and politico became too counterproductive for Comey to want to stay, a view of his ultimate utility likely shared by his superiors as it became clear there were many asymmetries in the new foe, including that the terrorist entities were few and were discoverable and could be barriered in many ways swiftly.

  9. ExcuseMeExcuseMe says:

    Wasn’t it talked about here that it was a possibility that what AGAG had in the envelope was some documentation that, if Ashcroft had signed, would retroactively approve the gaps when they couldn’t get a signature to approve surveillance?

    You may have it at hand EW, but I believe that Comey testified that he did not see what was in the envelope that AGAG had with him at the hospital.

    Maybe all this has been dismissed; I’m sorry if I missed that.

  10. dopeyo says:

    AG’s account smells completely ficticious. He’s asking us to believe that the Gang of Eight – who can’t comment openly on the matter – overruled Comey’s best legal analysis, so AG and Card raced to the hospital to tell a semi-comatose Ashcroft that “It’s OK, the Gang of Eight overruled Comey.” This would cheer up Ashcroft, who otherwise was in acute pain and possibly fearing for his survival.

    I’m going to bet on 2 things:

    1. The Gang of Eight was given a sketchy outline of the program, minus the legally questionable aspects, so that AG could muddy the waters about exactly what they had agreed to approve. If push came to shove, the whole matter is classified and the discrepancies could be hidden.

    2. AG had a back-dated authorization ready for Ashcroft to sign. He would shove it under Ashcroft’s hazy gaze, get the signature and backdate it to a day when Ashcroft had the authority and Comey’s objections were moot.

    Loo Hoo

    Has Ashcroft been asked about what happened?

    I’m sure a man as smart as AG would say that Ashcroft’s memory was impaired by the anesthetics and drugs.

    Just a couple of question: Between the hospital visit and the Saturday notes, did AG and Bush have time to sit down together and concoct as cover story? Has anyone ever seen the authorization AG carried to the hospital?

    • Hmmm says:

      The backdating hypothesis works awfully well, doesn’t it? Do we know whether anyone else in the room was close enough to see the paper Ashcroft was asked to sign?

  11. WilliamOckham says:

    Skdadl,

    Comey knew it was bs because he knew that all that had happened was a gang of eight meeting. Gellman says comey got wind of the meeting, tried to attend and was told he wasn’t invited. Needless to say, the gang of eight can’t remediate anything (whatever that means).

  12. Citizen92 says:

    EW you will not be disappointed by Gellman’s book.

    The opening chapter on Cheney-as-VP vetter goes to reinforce his willingness to practice politics of personal destruction.

    Cheney leaked incriminating personal information from vetting files that only he had – to neutralize Oklahoma Gov Keating.

    The parallel to the Plame leak is striking.

  13. WilliamOckham says:

    (Btw, I’m posting from the car and don’t have Gellman’s book. Don’t worry my wife is driving.)

    Another big reveal in Angler is that Addington rewrote the authorization after ashcroft wouldn’t sign it to include all of Cheney’s dictatorial fantasies of the unitary executive. That’s what bush and AG signed. Even after they backed down, Addington sent Comey an FU memo saying that was all still operative and Bush was just making operational changes.

  14. rosalind says:

    i saw gellman speak on tuesday. he said one piece of info re. hospital visit came to him after deadline, that after ashcroft “reminded” card & gonzales that comey was acting ag, he raised himelf up and said something to the effect “i should never have signed this, knowing what i know now…”

    other fun fact, according to gellman condi is the one that tipped bush off to the doj rebellion. she saw bush fri morning and mentioned she heard something was up at justice, bush pulls comey aside after his 8:30am briefing to find out two dozen people are about to submit their resignations.

    • rosalind says:

      ok, both of those are in the book. obviously i take crappy notes (no liveblogging for me).

      the first gellman comment i wrote down was that cheney wanted to make every american get a smallpox vaccination, but got over-ruled. maybe that was it.

  15. MadDog says:

    Hey EW, are you going to add the Hospital Confrontation Timeline to your Timeline Collection box now?

    I know that in some ways it’s a subset of the Warrantless Wiretap Memos Timeline, but in other ways I think it has an importance all its own.

    Just my two bits. *g*

  16. Citizen92 says:

    I’m beginning to think Fielding was hired to protect Cheney, not Bush.

    Dick and Fred go back to Nixon days, that’s obvious. But they’re clearly still close. Reflections Photography of DC has been consistently covered an annual “Nixon-Ford Policy Planning Staff” reuinion every year. It hit home when I saw who was in the room from the 2007 meeting. Unfortunately the 2004-2006 events are blocked to public view.

    Reflections was the outfit that deep-sixed the Bush-Abramoff photos.

    Gonzales may soon be collateral in this whole thing.

  17. MadDog says:

    Totally OT EW, but I thought I’d pass this along for your perusal:

    ERS NEWS: Exclusive, Ivins’ Ft. Detrick Lab Access Records Revealed

    …The two pages of security access documents which reveal Ivin’s whereabouts at the Fort Detrick Army lab on September 17th and 18th and October 6th, 7th, 8th and 9th, 2001…

    …The Enterprise Report can also report exclusively that the US Postal Service has in its possession the exact times that the letters were picked up from the mailbox in question, but is refusing to release the information….

  18. drational says:

    Item 2 appears to be true in its entirety, at least according to Barton Gellman.

    If the question was asked and answered, no legislation, on the 10th, why meet with The Hammer all alone on the 11th. What was his role?

  19. radiofreewill says:

    I’ll take a shot at the signifigance of the Hospital Visit.

    My theory has been that Bush ‘militarized’ Our response to 911 – establishing himself as the Unitary Executive – which is effectively a Military Dictator – over all functions of Government, including the Political System – complete with a Separate UE Chain of Command from the Standard Government Org Chart.

    However, rather than issue military commands to his ‘generals’ – like General Ashcroft and General Gonzales – Bush preferred to game the Political System by regularly duping Congress into giving him the legislation or power that he wanted – without Bush resorting to making an Imperious Command as the UE – allthough Bush’s signing statements are always careful to preserve his ‘inherent powers’ and de-facto perogative as the UE.

    [Fwiw, I think Bush switched-on full-spectrum surveillance of everyone, especially Congress, his Political Opponents, the Press, and the Wealthy – based on the premise that the ‘enemy’ is Ideological – Terror – and, therefore, the ‘enemy’ was anyone who ‘thinks wrongly’ – including potentially all Citizens like US – ergo, the new ’standard’ would be ’suspicion’ instead of probable cause.]

    Through clever use of the White House’s Private Compartmentalization Scheme – designed and managed by Addington – the same one that Scooter used to hide his notes and 400-page treasure trove “Get Wilson” file drawer – Bush was able to ‘hide within the Executive Branch’ the Key Documents and Rationale for the UE and All his Decisions as the UE: the Program, Torture, Pixie Dust, etc, etc.

    Long story short, Comey sleuthed it all out and determined that Ashcroft was Signing the Certifications of Legality Out of Loyalty to the UE/Military Chain of Command as General Ashcroft, but without Access to the Underlying Legal Opinions. Ashcroft, for a periof of about two years, likely viewed his signing as simply his Patriotic Part in the War on Terror.

    [I actually think that what was getting re-certified every 45 days was Bush’s assumptive predicates for declaring himself the UE: President acting as CIC in Time of War and National Emergency. By Certifying Bush as Legally the UE, All the Un-checked and Un-balanced Activities and Programs naturally followed.]

    So – I’m speculating here – the Hospital Visit is actually the final act in an escalation that had been going on for months, but had become heated in the week leading up to March 10.

    Comey stood his ground protecting the Rule of Law and said – I won’t sign unless The Program is brought into Legal Compliance with the Rule of Law, including a Review of its Legal Authorization and Compliance.

    Rule of Law – meet – the Unitary Executive.

    So, my guess is that the signifigance of the Hospital Visit is that – in that specific instance – Bush Nakedly used his UE Power. He sent General Gonzales and his own Chief of Staff to General Ashcroft with a UE Command to Order Ashcroft to Sign the Certification Renewal.

    Ashcroft gives his famous bed-bound speech and Stymies Gonzo and Card.

    That’s when Addington changed the language on the Certification Renewal to Reflect the Full-Blown Unitary Executive Empowerment Logic, and Gonzo – the President’s Lawyer – witnessed Bush’s own Self-Declaration of Power Above the Rule of Law.

    Ever since then, Gonzo has been carting around the paperwork and the memorializing notes that contain the Fiction that Congress Empowered Ashcroft to Over-ride Comey – to hide the fact that Bush Openly Declared his Power – like he was signing The Anti-Magna Carta with a flourish – to Operate Above the Law.

    That March 11th Certification of Legality Renewal, imvho, is Exhibit A for a Charge of Treason.

    When Ashcroft said “No” in the Hospital Visit, Bush’s response was to cross the Rubicon and Manifest what he had so carefully tried to conceal for Years – letting the cat out of the bag – that We’ve been Living in Chimpy’s Banana Republic All Along, and didn’t know it.

    • Mason says:

      Your theory makes sense to me because Bush reauthorized the program after the visit but backed down a few days later due to the threat of massive resignations and agreed to modify the program to satisfy Comey’s concerns. Even as modified, however, it still violated FISA. Therefore, whatever Ashcroft, Comey, FBI Director Mueller and the others who threatened to resign were concerned about, it had to have been a surveillance program completely unrelated to the GWOT. Keeping in mind that all of the people who threatened to resign were not troubled by violating FISA and the Fourth Amendment to identify and eavesdrop on people engaged in and supporting terrorism, Bush’s program had to be light years beyond that “limited” purpose.

      Assuming that to be the case, what possible legal basis could have supported a surveillance program that had nothing to do with the GWOT? The answer has to be an assertion of authority that exceeded the scope provided by the theory of the unitary executive, which was based on fighting a war against a foreign enemy.

      This super duper secret surveillance program must have involved domestic eavesdropping to gain a political advantage. Perhaps the reason the democratic members of the House and Senate have been so spineless for so long is they have been blackmailed into supporting Bush’s radical transformation of our government with information obtained with this out-of-bounds surveillance program that was a sophisticated version of Nixon’s Watergate spying and COINTELPRO program and J. Edgar Hoover’s collection and use of private and personal information to control political adversaries during his tenure as Director of the FBI.

      If this is true, Card and Gonzales went to the hospital intending to run an end run around Comey. They wanted to conceal their visit to the hospital so that no one would start asking questions about the exclusively domestic spying program, an unlawful abuse of power more extensive and abusive than the program that led to Nixon’s impeachment and resignation.

    • rapt says:

      “We’ve been Living in Chimpy’s Banana Republic All Along, and didn’t know it.”

      A lot of us have known this for quite a long time now Radio. Thanks for laying this episode out so neatly as proof or at least reasonable suspicion of guilt. I’ve never paid real close attention to the “hospital visit” and what exactly it signifies – until now.

      There are so-ooo many other visible examples of crime in the White House – perhaps not provable but hey its all quite obvious isn’t it?

  20. rkilowatt says:

    There is significance that potus called Ashcroft’s hospital room.
    1. Orders had been given that Ashcroft was was not to have any visitors except Mrs. A. and no telephone calls.I suspected it was potus who called because who else had the altitude to be put through against outstanding medical orders.
    2. Ashcroft was incommunicado by Dr.s orders. As the caller was able to blow through that barier, his ID was critical
    3. Until last few days, there was glaring omission of who made that very anomalous call, got thru to Mrs. A.and, against Dr.’s orders, overwhelmed her protective nature to get her agreement to inject visitors onto a drugged and very sickly husband. The ID of the caller was so easy to get, yet months went by without MSM filling the vacuum.

    This act, alone, would establish potus’ nature.

  21. rkilowatt says:

    also…I thought the call went thru to Mrs. A, not the AG Ashcroft. And is unclear whether she took the call in or outside the room.

  22. Boston1775 says:

    ew, radiofreewill, WO, Mason, everybody,
    It’s taking me a long time to read, reread and put together the possibilities.
    The idea that we’ve been in Bush’s Banana Republic, that he’d signed the Anti-Magna Carta and kept it hidden until the showdown, certainly runs through all my synapses as true.

    So, let me get this right. He’d given himself the power, worked tirelessly to keep it hidden, pretended that government was running as it always had by going through the motions, and only blinked when much of the DOJ including Comey and Ashcroft, counsel to FBI and CIA, Mueller, and others who asked to be kept in the loop called his bluff on “the program”?

    Or are some here implying that certain officials knew and were protesting against Bush’s crowning himself king?

  23. Gerald says:

    Emptywheel,

    if you want to bluff at the poker table, a part of the art is to show concern or for that matter lack of concern at inappropriate times with varying degrees of effort that have nothing to do with the seriousness of jeopardy or advantage.

    Then your opponent doesn’t know which hand is strong and which is weak.

    … and you have to vary the method of the bluff.

    I like to wipe my lips with a tissue or adjust my cap, and so on. Maybe a scratch. Give out lots of signals rather than trying not to indicate anything at all.

    I think that this is what those guys do all the time.

  24. Mary says:

    I’ll revisit my theory here as a partial explanation. IMO, it’s likely that it all revolves around the FISCt.

    It’s been reported that Bush’s orders for the program were not typical Executive Orders, but instead were being issued as military orders. But in some bizarroland fashion, he was trying to get the imprimatur of law behind them by having the civilian Attorney General sign off on the military orders, as being legal.

    It’s been reported that, upon being given some kind of surface briefing on the program, the Chief FISCt Judge determined that it was so unconstitutional that he put some kind of firewalls in place to try to insulate the FISCt from the program. I’m pretty much thinking that this was done by formal or informal court order to the DOJ.

    It’s been reported that the successor Chief FISCt Judge had the same reaction to the program and took some kind of similar actions regarding firewalls.

    It’s been reported that the court became aware of breaches of the firewalls on more than one occassion.

    It’s been reported, but to very little scrutiny, that DAG Thompson, who had no qualms on signing off on sending Arar to Syrian torture or taking the torture field trip to GITMO, began to have such concerns about how the unconstitutional domestic surveillance plan was operating that he quit signing FISCt applications. To me, that’s pretty darn big.

    In one previously undisclosed episode, Deputy Attorney General Larry Thompson refused to sign off on any of the secret wiretapping requests that grew out of the program because of the secrecy and legal uncertainties surrounding it, the officials said. With the veil of secrecy around the program, Mr. Thompson was not given access to details of the N.S.A. operation, and he was so uncomfortable with the idea of approving this new breed of wiretap applications that he had a top adviser write a memorandum assessing the legal ramifications. The adviser warned him not to sign the warrant applications because it was unclear where the wiretaps were coming from.

    Keep in mind that this might have been pre-Goldsmith and more importantly, this is memo that I don’t think anyone in Congress seems to have demanded or seen. It doesn’t sound like an OLC memo from the way Lichtblau describes it (coming from a top adviser). It would sure be nice to know more about why, in the middle of the heat on the “war on terror” the torture enabling Deputy AG got such a sense of concern and self preservation that he began refusing to sign off on FISCt applications.

    Since most of the “legal ramifications” under FISA itself involve the actual surveillance without court order (which DAG Thompson wouldn’t have undertaken or authorized), it seems possible that the legal ramifcations Thompson was concerned about had a different source – one, perhaps, tied to a lawyer directly violating FISCt firewall orders and covertly salting the FISCt with fruits from a program that the court had barred? Maybe not – maybe it just the worry about suddenly ending up in front of a court and judge with the feloniously and/or unconstitutionally acquired information, but since the Chief judges did establish a procedure, via the firewalls, for the victims of the unconstitutional program to be subject to a FISCt applications, then it seems that as long as the firewalls were respected, there would have been little to be concerned about.

    So it seems one possiblity is that Thompson knew the firewalls were not being respected – maybe knew that the way the program operated, the firewalls could not be respected. If he knew that the program was being acutally operated (and here, you have to wonder what info was given to the FISCt Chief Judges in their brifings) in such a manner that the court ordered firewalls could not be complied with and every application risked being in direct violation of the court’s orders – that might give him a little pause. BC unlike torture field trips and disappearing Canadians from their young children, for the purpose of unrepentant torture, – there might be personal consequences for engaging in that kind of showdown with the FISCt.

    Especially with technicians with the FBI, unaware of the FISCt orders, raising some of the same questions as to legality:

    Inside the Federal Bureau of Investigation, meanwhile, technicians stumbled onto the N.S.A.’s program accidentally within 12 hours of its inception, setting off what officials described as a brief firestorm of anxiety among senior officials. Some who had not been told about the program were concerned that the agency was violating laws that required a court order for the singling out of Americans in wiretaps, and they immediately alerted higher-ups to what they had discovered. “What’s going on here? Is this legal?” one F.B.I. official asked after learning of the N.S.A. operation on American soil.

    Has there ever been much investigation of when and how Mueller was briefed into the program? However it happened, he likely knew that his own technicians and officials had concerns about the program. He was probably briefed on the firewalls for his applications, indicating he also knew that FISCt thought the program was unconstitutional, but despite his position in law enforcement, he shrugged it off. Then Mueller and Ashcroft both pretty much had to become aware that Thompson would help disappear people to Syria, but he took the no guts no glory approach to signing off on FISCt applications that would put him in front of an actual judge who had issued orders on how those applications should be firewalled.

    Think they knew of the memo Thompson received?

    In any event, by the time Goldsmith and COmey were coming on, Mueller and Ashcroft almost had to have already known that Thompson wouldn’t sign off on FISCt applications. No wonder Comey was concerned – he was now stepping into a slot where his immediate predecessor not only was so worried that he wouldn’t sign FISCt applications, but where there was also a memo on liability floating around.

    Keep in mind under olden days FISA, every FISA application required “the approval of the Attorney General based upon his finding that it satisfies the criteria and requirements of such application” (1804 (a)) and also that “) “Attorney General” means the Attorney General of the United States (or Acting Attorney General) or the Deputy Attorney General ” (1801(g))

    So Thompson backing off left it all on Ashcroft.

    Now add in the reports that at about the same time as the “hospital showdown” the successor FISCt Chief Judge had learned that firewalls were being violated and she was out for blood. It almost makes you think that the someone in DOJ had decided to act like a real lawyer and, in addition to advising Thompson of his “liability” they did what they were professionally and ethically and “legally” (but for the exemptions from application of law apparently available to All the President’s lawyers) bound to do and advised the court of the violations.

    Certainly, it has to have raised some questions when no applications with Thompson’s signature were coming through – the circle is too tight for the court not to have found out that there were problems.

    My guess is that Comey and Goldsmith pushed for confirmation of something they were already being told – which is that the way the program was operating, there was no way to give any certification the court’s firewalls COULD be followed. So without certain changes to the program (not necessarily changes to make it less egregious, just changes to make it possible for DOJ officials – the AG and DAG – to not be violating court orders when they signed off) then the AG and DAG or any acting AG on down the line would be in direct violation of court orders every time they signed off.

    Worse still, from a loyal Bushie point of view, the Court was AWARE of the fact that they were violating the orders. Aware, and willing to take action. Aware, willing to take action, and, unlike the Dems in Congress, the FISCt judges had a recent history of NOT blinking, one that Comey would have known about in how it impacted his friend, Townsend.

    If any of the unsubtantiated speculation above is even partly right, it might explain why there was such concern on the hospital visit. What they were doing was pushing the AG to authorize a program that could not operate without causing violations of the FISCt orders. An existing member of the bar, Gonzales, with knowledge of the court orders, was pushing to have the program signed off on in violation of those orders (nonsequitor: I have to wonder, too, about his later actions as AG, and the three day authorization that no one else seemed to have been willing to sign, and what the court did with that at the end of the 3 day period)

    If you walk that cat back to the President, you have the President pressuring his AG to sign off on a program that could not operate without violating FISCt firewall orders.

    You basically had the Nixon/Tapes situation. Only here, Nixon orders his DOJ to ignore the court’s rulings.

    Just a fwiw.

  25. Boston1775 says:

    Mary,
    Can you say more about Bush trying to issue military orders to surveil US citizens?
    So what – just in case he doesn’t have the military authority – he gets a dual authority from the AG who has since admitted he didn’t understand what he was signing for the first year?
    And after Ashcroft and Comey objected, he had Gonzales write pretend notes that the Gang of Eight told him he must continue this?

    Was it the military thing that was presented to the phone companies?
    Is this what they were prepared to say? That the President issued military orders to them?

  26. kspena says:

    I’m very late to this thread, but I’ll ask two questions anyway. If cheney, addington, libby & bush thought they were right in interpreting the Constitution as allowing for the unitary executive (at least under the circumstances of war), why did they not proceed openly? Why the secrecy with executive orders and the creation of secret ‘legal’ findings?

    If they knew they were ‘making-up’ a false reality to institute a dictatorship by stealth, lies and criminal conspiracy, why is that not treason?

    • LabDancer says:

      If you’re late, then this is late enough to offend even evilparalleluniverse.

      This is probably a pathetically minor point, and I’d rather have posted it nearer to when this thread began [plus I recognize it’s likely to be lost in the fog of events], but I want to make before the thread is closed for eternity or my ghost might have to wander the earth til then.

      Part of ew’s post and 3 earlier responses pertain: numbers 14 and 26 from williamockham and 28 from masaccio.

      [1] ew observes a disconnect among:

      [1.1] AlG’s testimony of as to a “consensus in the room” from the briefing of the Gang of 8 – which perhaps among other things ends up being put in albertospeak as “remediation”

      [1.2] the Speaker’s acknowledgment of the “majority of those present supporting continuing the activity”

      [1.3] each of Daschle and Jello characterizing his characterization of never even being asked for approval, of any sort

      and

      [1.4] the opening of AlG’s bed-time for Ashcroft explanation of their having been a “remediation”.

      If I hadn’t already embarrassed myself a half a kajillion times in this life already, it would be embarrassing to suggest that one could drive all the cattle in Texas through the open spaces left in these four conceptions.

      [1.1.1] The word “consensus” could, but does not necessarily, connote universal, or indeed majority agreement. It’s many meanings included “accord”, “harmony” etc.

      [1.1.2] We don’t know who all was in “the” room; I’m can’t recall if it’s even been established that all were in one room at the same time- and if not it would not shock me to learn that was by intention. It’s not that easy to get the 8 of the so-called “Gang” in one room at the same time, and awfully easy on the one hand to accommodate their schedules by staggered meetings with various attendees and to use that to manipulate.

      [1.1.3] Assuming silence is assent, particularly the sort of silence that follows the sort of labrynthian constructs one can imagine coming from the mouth of Cheney on being derived from an earlier Cheney-Addington meeting, then there would be, in the mind of Cheney, or rather in the minds of Cheney and Addington, one voice being raised in articulating the crux of the matter, no matter how obscurely, and that would be the voice of Cheney.

      That is: Mr. Fourth Branch himself, one foot in the executive, but another in Congress. If Cheney [Cheney-Addington] take that voice as partly speaking from Congress, then “the voice of consensus” is right there in Cheney.

      This has the additional attraction of fitting into the notion of Addington having impressed on AlG a lengthy rationalization of how decisions are to be made on topics falling under the jurisdictions of both the executive branch and the legislative branch. I realize this poses the notion of Cheney overseeing himself, but I’ve never understood consistency and sanity were essential to the unitary executive concept.

      The top reason I have for raising it is the fact that Cheney [and Addington] would know that this “meeting” would involve Cheney, appearing to speak for the president, but without actually articulating it as such, and indeed with Hayden and possibly other executive branch types present, including AlG, being able to posit that not having articulated his limiting his presence to the foot in the executive branch, he was present in his legislative branch form, and, somewhat collegially, was informing them, and indeed formally himself, as to what his executive branch side knew in terms of the situation. You might call it the Joker conception of the VP, particularly the Heath Ledger version.

      But it’s pretty delicate, with the obscured phrases used by Cheney and all, so the fact that a convenient lackey counsel like AlG was there to, or able to, later “memorialize” what happened, would appear to hold some arguable potential value should someone raise a squawk- particularly the sort of pre-squelched squawk that Congress critters read into secret squirrel stuff are required to sign off on.

      [1.2.1] “A majority present” could be explained by the Speaker being alone with Cheney, Hayden and AlG; or a great number of configerations, including even all of the Gang of 8 plus Cheney, Hayden, AlG, and a couple of aides for each, which is pretty unremarkable, for a total of 17, of which 9 are executive branch.

      In the case of Cheney, I would expect he would not characterize himself as holding one office with 50% of its authority in each of two branches, but rather wearing 2 hats [at least 2: the dual nature could itself be another hat, and so “the 4th branch” itself would have the head of a hydra.

      By now, even I can see how weird this is getting. But under the pressure of emergency, I don’t see how its any weirder to imagine Addington coming up with a dashed-off piece of lawyerish gibberocity that once pared down is at least as nuts. That certainly would put some high anxiety in AlG about what the Addington memo states, considering in particular his having observed all the craziness unfold in front of him.

      As to the idea of such a memo, this would not surprise me; indeed it would surprise me if there were not such a memo. It seems to me AlG would not be alone in wanting such a thing to cover his own ass, or that of his patrone [and note that the suggestion is that it was his patrone who urged he make his own ex post facto notes to “memorialize” the Gang of 8 meeting- and if that they why not other ancillary events?]. The whole Nixon idea of speaking through and writing through and commanding through lawyers and using them as repositories of whatever written material is generated is not without its minor risks.

      [1.3.1] Does anyone here really think it would be that difficult for Addington to whip up an argument in legalish to support treating silence, including the silence of shock, or astonishment or from having no comment, as assent? There are a number of circumstances in orthodox English-derived and American-adopted evidentiary principles in which silence is treated as bearing particular meaning. The fact that there would be absolutely no jurisprudence on point or anywhere near it would not daunt Addington; I would think he’s still hoping to use Henry II’s “will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?”, if he has not already.

      1.4.1] I posit that the word “remediation” is something which is entirely consistent with what we observed in the testimony of AlG before the House and Senate judiciary committees, and moreover characteristic of the “bent” mind.

      That lawyers can have “bent” minds should not come as a surprise to anyone. It’s a common enough sight in the court system.

      Now:

      [2] williamockham @ 14: “The notes appear to be an effort to provide cover for that particular lie”.

      I agree, and that’s not put unfairly. But I suggest a slight amendment, to this or something like it [and if someone could go it better, I would not be hurt]:

      THAT the notes appear to have been made on the contingency that they, or some part of them, might turn out useful or convenient to called upon to provide cover for a particular lie, or to reconcile one or more lies.

      Can I just return to “remediation”. Firstly…wow, what a classicly AlG word. Still, it would not shock me to see it having been contrived by Shakespeare, particularly in the course of Richard III. Secondly, part of its charm lies in the attraction it would pose to a pretentious asshat like Ashcroft. Thirdly, another attraction is that I don’t think one would encounter it in any credible English dictionary, and not even for Scrabble, so there’s a lot of room to swim around in its boundaries. Thirdly, to the extent it sounds like it’s implying some quasi-formal process, it sorta kinda engages some aspects of unitardic “theory” [and if not, why in hell not?] Fourthly, with the route being “mediation” it implies a ‘bargain’, which fits squarely within one chapter out of the Bush school of Constitutional amendment: if the Constitution forbids X, then make an off-the-books bargain with the Congressional leaders, and presto zesto: a brand new Constitution without the messiness of public debate and putting the matter to the states for ratification.

      “Remediation” is of even greater bent genius for its containing a host of unspecified “when did you stop beating your wife” assumptions. This, by the way, is IMO its chief ‘value’, because the permutations of rationalization are as the stars in the universe [which, if I recall my Sagan, number something like the 300M stars in the Milky Way times the 200M galaxies- so quite a few].

      [3] williamockham @ 26 on the Addington draft P.O. with-attached-excert-from-Addington-on-law-the-way-it-oughtta-be.

      I’m figuring with an ignoramus like Bush and dolt like AlG, when AlG showed the “notes” [or the package containing his notes among other things] to the folks in Fielding’s office, that set off some real loud internal alarm bells.

      Now: am I right in thinking there is no suggestion of any integrity to the chain of custody as to these notes, both before and after that meeting?

      [4] masacchio @ 28: With respect, the kind presented to a possibly dying man under sedation in a hospital who even when healthy appears to have some problems picking out red flags.

      I actually think that the fact that Ashcroft was doped to the gills helps explain the remarkable risen-from-the-bed sermon that each of Comey and Goldsmith have described in terms of their awe. The folks in this story are unlikely to be familiar with what LSD among a wide range of other “recreational” drugs are capable of producing. I think the typical DeadHead might not find the scene quite so mind-blowing.

      Boyoboy does Bart Gellman ever have a nose for the fun stuff.